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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston discuss the Lee Fitting story in the New York Times and Saturday Night’s Main Event ratings.
Katie Strang and Andrew Marchand have a major story covering Lee Fitting’s departure from ESPN last year amid misconduct allegations. John & Brandon chat about the story, what is alleged, and WWE’s decision to hire Fitting.
Plus: WWE returned to NBC with Saturday Night’s Main Event and the ratings are out (including streaming numbers), Tony Khan speaks before ROH Final Battle, WWE’s holiday tour attendance numbers & more.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/VudIZKxFC64
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston review Mark Shapiro’s comments at the UBS conference on TKO’s upcoming year, including its launch on Netflix.
The TKO president and COO spoke about WWE’s move to the top streaming platform in the world, the potential of more two-night premium live events, site fees, and TKO’s interest in boxing.
Plus: The latest on the investigation into Vince McMahon and the status of the “stay”, additional details emerge regarding the issues between CM Punk and Ryan Nemeth in AEW, AEW All In Texas begins its promotional push, and Dana White is finally asked to speak about the status of Conor McGregor.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/m4MtUFTsTG4
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston chat about WWE and Netflix’s media day and what viewers can expect in January when Raw moves platforms.
Plus: WWE is attempting to place the ring boy lawsuit on hold until a Supreme Court ruling, WWE sets another arena record for Survivor Series in Canada, Eric Bischoff criticizes AEW, Saturday Night’s Main Event returns to NBC this month, and a two-month check-up on NXT since its move to CW.
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston discuss the fallout for Conor McGregor after the conclusion of the civil case where a jury found him liable for sexual assault.
We welcome lawyer Jason Cruz from MMA Payout to discuss the decision, the fallout for McGregor’s business endeavors, and his future in fighting.
Plus: AEW is moving its Grand Slam event to a smaller arena in Brisbane in February, Ricky Starks pulled from GCW events, the latest on Wesley Eisold’s suit over the ‘American Nightmare’ trademark & a change in the Southern District of New York.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/FSYpl1pH5_8
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston discuss Linda McMahon’s role in Trump’s administration, Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson & AEW’s third-quarter performance.
The President-elect has chosen Linda McMahon to lead the Education Department with many questioning this latest cabinet choice.
Netflix staged one of its biggest events ever this past Friday, the boxing match from AT&T Stadium, but the broadcast was hardly flawless.
Plus: AEW’s Q3 performance, WWE confirms its location for Raw on Jan. 6, AEW rolls out dates for December & 2025 including three nights at the Hammerstein Ballroom, a massive Republican presence at UFC 309 in New York City and Pollock & Thurston react to the WON Hall of Fame Class of 2024.
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston cover the latest including Linda McMahon’s role in Trump’s cabinet, WWE’s cuts, Tyson vs. Paul on Netflix & more.
Pollock and Thurston chat about Linda McMahon’s rumored appointment to Trump’s cabinet as its head of commerce, Dr. Carlon Colker issues another filing and Ann Callis responds, WWE makes a handful of talent cuts, and Netflix presents Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul this Friday at AT&T Stadium.
Plus: Toronto will host Elimination Chamber, NXT goes on the road again, a discussion on UFC and WWE’s alternative pay-per-view models, and the surge in sign-ups for Blue Sky could see a shift in wrestling-based social activity.
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston go through TKO’s Q3 earnings report, a breakdown of the Crown Jewel show, and chat about the WON Hall of Fame.
Pollock and Thurston discuss the details from Wednesday’s Q3 earnings and call with analysts, the key takeaways from the report, and a follow-up interview Mark Shapiro did on CNBC.
Our guest is U.K. journalist Robert Jackman, who attended the WWE events in Saudi Arabia this past weekend and provides an in-person report on WWE’s popularity in the country, fans who travel to the shows, and its relationship with the General Entertainment Authority.
Plus, What does a Trump administration mean for Vince McMahon?
And, we go through the candidates for the Wrestling Observer Newsletter’s Hall of Fame.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/7q9RuizIuuE
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston provide a breakdown of the WWE ID program, which was announced this week.
They discuss the details the company has shared along with additional information and many questions this initiative brings up.
Mark Pollesel, promoter of C*4 Wrestling in Ottawa, Ontario, joins us to share his reaction to WWE ID program and the response he received on Tuesday after outlining those issues on X.
Plus: A report suggests Vince McMahon is looking to resume his career, WrestleMania 41 tickets create an uproar, TKO’s stock responds to acquisition announcement, and WWE returns to Saudi Arabia for Crown Jewel and Raw.
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston are joined by Greg Gutzler and Lee Cole to discuss the lawsuit filed by five ex-WWF ring boys against Vince & Linda McMahon and TKO.
This is a detailed look at the 82-page complaint, the allegations by five John Does who worked for the WWF throughout the 1980s, and what they accuse the WWF of knowing.
Greg Gutzler, partner at DeCello Levitt, is representing the five ex-ring boys and speaks about the development of this case, the process leading to Wednesday’s filing, and the horrific details outlined.
Lee Cole, the older brother of the late Tom Cole, joins us to share his feelings on this lawsuit being filed, carrying out his brother’s wishes, and he was caught up in the middle of this story during the early ‘90s through his brother.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/vMzH2xvRjK0
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston discuss the long ties between the UFC and Donald Trump
Journalist Karim Zidan of Sports Politika returns to chat about his new audio series In the Red Corner detailing Trump’s history with the promotion and how it has served the Republican strategy to cater to its audience.
Plus: Preliminary approval is granted by Judge Richard Boulware, Rolling Stone speaks with six ex-WWE writers, Piers Morgan presents a trainwreck involving Vince Russo and Phil Mushnick, NXT books the 2300 Arena in Philadelphia with an immediate sellout, and all the latest TV ratings.
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston chat about the latest filing by Janel Grant’s team and look back at the career of the late Joe Koff.
This past week, Grant’s team filed a memorandum opposing Dr. Carlon Colker & the Peak Wellness clinic’s attempt to dismiss their bill of discovery as Grant continues to seek her past medical records.
Former ROH COO Joe Koff passed away this week and we welcome former ROH staff member Jordan Goodman to share his thoughts on working with Koff, the popularity of the promotion, running at Madison Square Garden, and how Koff will be remembered in the industry.
VIDEO VERSION: https://www.youtube.com/live/6RQkTvaDS7o
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston are joined by Janel Grant’s spokesperson Kendra Barkoff Lamy to speak about their request for WWE to waive NDAs.
Then, Pollock & Thurston will speak with independent wrestler Logan Knight about yesterday’s meeting of the Oklahoma State Athletic Commission, in which officials declined to change their rule that prevents transgender wrestlers from participating in matches.
Plus: Note on the AEW ownership structure, site fee figure for SummerSlam 2025 in New Jersey, TV ratings from the past week & more.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/LzukZ2V5enE
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Janel Grant’s representation asking for NDAs to be waived in sex trafficking lawsuit against Vince McMahon, WWE & John LaurinaitisWrestling commission grapples with gender rules, decides to defer to state legislatureMusic courtesy: “Panic Beat” Ben Tramer”
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AEW and Warner Bros. Discovery announced a renewal of Dynamite and Collision for TBS and TNT in a deal that will also broadcast the program live in homes without cable through the Max streaming service.
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The latest news in pro wrestling business, with Brandon Thurston.
-AEW and WBD announce media deal renewal
-NXT debuts on CW, with the network's highest P18-49 of 2024
-State of AEW, WWE TV ratings, attendance as Q3 ends
-What WBD & AEW announced, what we still don't know
-Why household reach is an important focus of the deal
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston examine the subject of independent contractors in pro wrestling following the suit filed by Kevin Kelly and The Tates.
Pollock and Thurston welcome lawyer Stephen New to discuss the lawsuit filed by Kevin Kelly & The Tates against AEW, Tony Khan & Ian Riccaboni, and the argument of whether AEW talents are misclassified as independent contractors.
Plus: How well Mr. McMahon performed in its first week on Netflix, SmackDown vs. Fox, what the move to CW means for NXT, and the countdown continues for AEW’s media rights announcement(s).
VIDEO VERSION: https://www.youtube.com/live/3vD6R86lyqI
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston share their thoughts on the six-part Mr. McMahon series released by Netflix.
They discuss the major points from the Netflix series and welcome David Bixenspan to speak about the strengths and weaknesses of the series, who was interviewed, what stories were covered, and overall reaction to how McMahon was covered.
Plus: TKO announces a revised settlement in the Cung Le antitrust case, WWE announces Summerslam 2025 in New Jersey.
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston discuss AEW closing in on its media rights deal with guest Brandon Ross of LightShed Partners.
Earlier this week, Puck’s John Ourand reported that an announcement of AEW’s media rights deal with WBD could be coming as early as next week. Pollock & Thurstom welcome analyst Brandon Ross to discuss the details, AEW’s place within WBD’s portfolio, SmackDown’s exit from Fox, and the success of this past weekend’s Noche UFC event at Sphere in Las Vegas.
Plus: Return of Saturday Night’s Main Event on NBC, SmackDown tops Friday’s cable rankings on USA Network, UFC sets its all-time gate record for Sphere event, and NXT moves locations for its October 8 show on CW.
VIDEO VERSION: https://youtube.com/live/sOJjQYcWUgg
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John Pollock and Brandon Thurston react to the news of WWE moving Raw to a two-hour format in October.
The two chat about the financials of WWE’s deal with NBC Universal, and the short-term extension for the final thirteen weeks of 2024 before the franchise moves to Netflix.
Plus: Tony Khan indicates AEW is very close to the announcement of a media rights deal, SmackDown ends its run on Fox, the NFL returns, more details on the Kevin Kelly & Tate Twins lawsuit, Milwaukee to bid for a WWE PLE, and the UFC embarks on its most ambitious live event ever.
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