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[Note: In the episode, John mistakenly referred to the author of a biography of Ronald Reagan as George Will. He meant to reference Max Bootâs Reagan: His Life and Legacy.]
1:39 Pre-election jitters
3:23 Will Democrats contest the election if it goes Trumpâs way?
4:44 A crisis for democracy, maybe, but not the end of democracy
10:02 Johnâs case against Trumpâs proposed second administration
15:36 Ground News ad
17:28 The Obamasâ attempted intervention and post-presidential performance
26:58 The mind of the informed Trump voter
34:20 A revisionist history of the Trump presidency (or presidencies)
41:15 Is Trump losing it or just tired of campaigning?
44:25 The Washington Post and the LA Times decline to endorse
47:48 Glenn and Johnâs election night plans
50:48 The nightmare scenario
Recorded November 3, 2024
Links and Readings
Shelby Steeleâs book, A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited about Obama and Why He Canât Win
Jimmy Carterâs book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid
Johnâs NYT column, âDonald Trump Is Boredâ
Max Bootâs book, Reagan: His Life and Legacy
Everybody Loves Raymond: The Complete Series DVD box set
Douglas Murrayâs Free Press piece, âThings Worth Remembering: Whoever Loses, They Should Lose Like Nixonâ
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0:00 Rajivâs report from the FIRE conference
3:11 Roland Fryerâs keynote address
13:26 Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs humanist universalism
17:25 âTolstoy is the Tolstoy of the Zulusâ
18:50 Rajivâs reading of Coatesâs stand on âapartheidâ
31:55 The gap between election forecasting models and prediction markets
36:52 The limits of models and markets
39:59 Rajiv: The markets show us a balance between narratives about the election
44:17 Is one crypto trader manipulating the prediction markets in favor of Trump?
53:12 Rajiv: Prediction markets may have sent early signals about January 6
55:19 Rajivâs family history with Kamala Harris
57:45 The new prominence of Indian Americans in politics
1:03:07 The axiom of antiessentialism
Recorded October 27, 2024
Links and Readings
Rajivâs Substack, Imperfect Information
Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression
Lara Bazelonâs 2022 Atlantic essay, âThe ACLU Has Lost Its Wayâ
Glennâs 2021 conversation with Bazelon
Glennâs 2023 conversation with Erec Smith
Eugene Volokh on the Hamline University-Prophet Muhammad painting controversy
Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs book, The Message
Coatesâs 2010 Atlantic essay, âThe Ghost of Bobby Leeâ
Ralph Wileyâs book, Dark Witness: When Black People Should Be Sacrificed (Again)
Last weekâs TGS debate about The Messsage
Orlando Pattersonâs book, Slavery and Social Death: A Comparative Study
Glennâs book, The Anatomy of Racial Inequality
Glennâs memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative
Polymarket
Recorded October 27, 2024
Links and Readings
Rajivâs Substack, Imperfect Information
Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression
Lara Bazelonâs 2022 Atlantic essay, âThe ACLU Has Lost Its Wayâ
Glennâs 2021 conversation with Bazelon
Glennâs 2023 conversation with Erec Smith
Eugene Volokh on the Hamline University-Prophet Muhammad painting controversy
Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs book, The Message
Coatesâs 2010 Atlantic essay, âThe Ghost of Bobby Leeâ
Ralph Wileyâs book, Dark Witness: When Black People Should Be Sacrificed (Again)
Last weekâs TGS debate about The Messsage
Orlando Pattersonâs book, Slavery and Social Death: A Comparative Study
Glennâs book, The Anatomy of Racial Inequality
Glennâs memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative
Polymarket
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1:22 The Coates debate continues
3:18 John: Coates is a beautiful writer, but âŠ
5:44 John: ⊠The Message is suffused with incuriosity and simplistic thinking
13:45 Glenn: Coates is talking about humanism and power, not race
18:11 Ground News ad
20:25 Is it âall about whiteyâ?
22:11 Glenn: Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote this book. What am I doing?
27:40 What kind of historical imagination is at work in The Message?
34:11 Moral clarity or abdication of responsibility?
36:30 Pro-Palestinian writers John considers acceptable
41:54 The next entries in Glenn and Johnâs book club
42:04 Coatesâs now notorious interview on CBS Mornings
48:45 What is the black intellectualâs role today?
52:16 The counterexample of South Africa
Recorded October 19, 2024
Links and Readings
Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs book, The Message
Glenn and Johnâs previous conversation
Johnâs NYT column, âTa-Nehisi Coates and the Myth of Black Fragilityâ
Michael Chabonâs novel, The Yiddish Policemenâs Union
Jeffrey Sachs on YouTube
Judge Andrew Napolitano on YouTube
Trevor Noahâs conversation with Coates
Ezra Kleinâs conversation with Coates
Peter Beinartâs conversation with Coates
David Greenbergâs new book, John Lewis: A Life
Karen and Barbara Fieldsâs book, Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life
Glennâs memoir, Late Admissions: Confessions of a Black Conservative
James Baldwinâs essay, âLetter from a Region in My Mindâ
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1:41 Pennâs sanctions against Amy
7:47 Whatâs at stake in the charges against Amy?
14:03 The trouble with âhate speechâ
17:48 Should we abolish the nation-state?
21:38 The debates that canât happen in the university
26:44 Ethnonationalism and group differences
33:11 Amyâs defense of maintaining an âAnglo-Protestantâ American majority
42:32 Amyâs concerns about Asian migration
47:52 Are immigrants bringing lax attitudes toward property rights with them?
52:52 Glenn: Immigrants impart dynamism to a culture thatâs always been in flux
1:01:13 Glenn and Amy talk about porn
1:07:51 The absence of virtue in political discourse
1:13:05 Amyâs next steps
Recorded October 12, 2024
Links and Readings
Amyâs Philadelphia Inquirer op-ed, âPaying the Price for the Breakdown of the Countryâs Bourgeois Cultureâ
Glenn and Amyâs 2017 conversation, âThe Downside to Social Upliftâ
Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression
Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs new book, The Message
William Vogeleiâs Claremont Review of Books review of Robert Kaganâs Rebellion: How Antiliberalism Is Tearing America ApartâAgain
Coleman Hughesâs book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America
Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinsonâs book, Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty
Daniel Di Martinoâs recent appearance on The Glenn Show
Irving Kristolâs 1971 essay, âPornography, Obscenity, and the Case for Censorshipâ
Glennâs essay, âThe Case for Black Patriotismâ
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1:12 The Vance-Walz debate
4:28 Glenn: Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs new book is brilliant
13:16 John and Coatesâs ancient beef
15:31 Coatesâs âblisteringâ critique of Zionism
18:22 Ground News ad
20:39 Do you have to solve the problem of âapartheidâ in order to criticize it?
33:10 Glennâs reappraisal of Coates (and Johnâs bemusement)
34:53 ACTA ad 36:39 Will the race card play for Eric Adams?
42:31 What has Eric Adams accomplished?
43:57 Why John defends Amy Wax
49:17 Glenn: Amy Wax gets to have her opinion
Recorded October 5, 2024
Links and Readings
The Vance-Walz VP debate
Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs book, The Message
Coleman Hughesâs Free Press review of The Message
Coatesâs book, Between the World and Me
Coatesâs Atlantic essay, âThe Case for Reparationsâ
Glenn and Johnâs in-person TGS episode
Andrew Yangâs Newsweek piece, âI Ran against Eric Adams. I Saw This Coming.â
Johnâs NYT piece, âShe Is Outrageous, Demeaning, Dangerous. She Shouldnât Be Punished.â
Amy Waxâs December 2021 TGS appearance
Waxâs August 2022 TGS appearance
Waxâs March 2024 TGS appearance
Richard Sanderâs Stanford Law Review article, âA Systematic Analysis of Affirmative Action in American Law Schoolsâ
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1:15 Why Daniel immigrated to the US
5:14 What went wrong in Venezuela?
8:45 Daniel: Both the Biden administration and global trends are to blame for the border crisis
11:19 Trump promises to deport record numbers of illegal immigrants. But can he?
13:00 Whatâs it take to fix immigration? Money.
18:39 The flawed strategy of making immigration into Mexicoâs problem
20:48 The bad information and rumors fueling asylum-seekers
23:18 Should residency visa programs prioritize the richest immigrants?
32:13 The labor market consequences of immigration
37:27 Danielâs large-scale proposals for national immigration policy
43:00 How many unauthorized immigrants are in US right now?
45:23 The political realities of immigration reform44:08 The political realities of immigration reform
Recorded September 23, 2025
Links and Readings
Danielâs writing for City Journal
Danielâs report for the Manhattan Institute, âThe Lifetime Fiscal Impact of Immigrantsâ
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A couple weeks ago, I did my own solo Q&A session. Now John is back, and I decided to put him in the hot seat. Letâs get into it. Yan Shen asks our opinion of the contretemps between Nancy Mace and Michael Eric Dyson. Stan asks if weâve seen Matt Walshâs film, Am I Racist?. Eli, noting the rampant grade inflation at many institutions, asks if we have a way of fixing the problem and wants to know if our own grading standards have changed over the years (hereâs the Yascha Mounk post she references). RAO wants to know what we think of alternative education, like home schooling, micro-schools, charter schools, and so on. Jerry Zuriff wants to know why John likes hip-hop. Given that, on average, American girls perform better than American boys in high school, Michael asks if colleges should give preferences to males over females. Or would that run afoul of SFFA v. Harvard? And finally, DG wants to know why John never got interested in sports.
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1:28 John corrects some Wikipedia-driven misconceptions about his work
4:12 ChatGPT pays homage to Glenn and John
6:41 John: JD Vance actually is what Iâm merely accused of being
17:59 Ground News ad 20:08 Are there any true sellouts among black conservatives?
28:32 And what is a sellout, anyway?
36:01 What goes on between Clarence and Ginni Thomas?
40:19 An addition to the book club reading list
42:08 ACTA ad
43:54 Remembering Linda Datcher Loury
49:00 Should having children be the norm?
56:34 Glenn sightings in the wild
57:32 Working without a net
Recorded September 23, 2024
Links and Readings
Glennâs Wikipedia page
Johnâs Wikipedia page
Johnâs NYT column, âWhy JD Vance Dropped into My Inboxâ
JD Vanceâs book, Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis
Johnâs book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America
Randall Kennedyâs book, Sellout: The Politics of Racial Betrayal
David Greenbergâs forthcoming book, John Lewis: A Life
David Lodgeâs novel, Changing Places: A Tale of Two Campuses
Barbara and Karen Fieldsâs book, Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life
Percival Everettâs novel, James
RF Kuangâs novel, Babel, or the Necessity of Violence
Clint Smithâs Atlantic piece, âGeorge Floyd Was Also a Fatherâ
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0:14 Larry Kotlikoff for President?
5:40 Larryâs plan to save social security
9:30 Reincentivizing work, saving, and staying in the US
14:55 Rewriting the story about income and labor
21:08 Why a 10% tariff could amount to a new national sales tax or worse
23:33 Glenn: Trade with other nations is not a zero-sum game
29:15 Taxing billionaires on consumption rather than income
34:43 The price of shame
38:40 Maintaining competitive conditions with universal health insurance
44:49 Whatâs causing inflation?
52:26 How big of a problem is the national debt?
Recorded September 4, 2024
Links and Readings
Larryâs Substack
Larryâs homepage
Larryâs book, with Philip Moeller and Paul Solman, Getting Whatâs Yours: The Secrets to Maxing Out Your Social Security
Larryâs book, with Scott Burns, The Coming Generational Storm: What You Need to Know about Americaâs Economic Future
Larryâs book, Jimmy Stewart Is Dead: Ending the World's Ongoing Financial Plague with Limited Purpose Banking
Larryâs financial planning program, MaxiFi
Larryâs book, Youâre Hired: A Trump Playbook for Fixing Americaâs Economy
Larryâs book, The Healthcare Fix: Universal Insurance for All Americans
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Martyn Clark asks how economists factor idiosyncratic, unpredictable human behavior into their abstract modeling. Young Törless asks Glenn to weigh in on the presidential candidatesâ approaches toâor avoidance ofâthe problem of the national debt. BB asks Glenn which economic theories or concepts havenât stood the test of time. Stan asks what three policies would make the biggest difference in improving the lives of black people. Eli asks if technological progress and our ever-increasing knowledge about the world may end up being a bad thing for humanity. Luke Englund asks if the conservative movement has compromised too much for the sake of Donald Trump. And finally, therealnewyorker asks what issues I would feel compelled to talk about if racial politics disappeared tomorrow.
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0:59 Glenn debuts his new studio
2:34 Life after academia
13:02 The challenge of having a lot of time on your hands
18:10 Johnâs new musical endeavors
20:20 Ground News ad
22:38 Johnâs forthcoming book, Pronoun Trouble: The Story of Us in Seven Little Words
25:07 Glenn and John form an impromptu book club
29:43 The first class of post-Students for Fair Admissions college freshmen
36:22 Are black students being shut out of the upper echelons of American society?
40:33 The Supreme Courtâs âindirect beneficial endowmentâ to HBCUs
46:42 Glenn: âThe wheel is turningâ on race politics in America
52:18 ACTA ad
54:26 Plagiarism in Robin DiAngeloâs dissertation
57:02 John: I donât recognize the world that Danzy Senna and Ketanji Brown Jackson describe, even though I lived in it
1:04:07 Did Thomas Chatterton Williams really say what he said to Danzy Senna?
Recorded September 8, 2024
Links and Readings
The Rest Is History on Apple Podcasts
Preorder Johnâs forthcoming book, Pronoun Trouble: The Story of Us in Seven Little Words
David Kaiserâs book, States of the Union: A History of the United States through Presidential Addresses, 1789-2023
David Kaiser discusses his book States of the Union on TGS
Sari Nusseibehâs memoir, Once Upon a Country: A Palestinian Life
David Greenbergâs forthcoming book, John Lewis: A Life
Danzy Sennaâs novel, Colored Television
Percival Everettâs novel, James
Ketanji Brown Jacksonâs memoir, Lovely One
Johnâs book, Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America
Michelle Obamaâs DNC speech
Thomas Chatterton Williamsâs book, Self-Portrait in Black and White: Unlearning Race
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0:59 How Harry met Glenn
3:44 Black girls and women are doing relatively well. Why arenât black boys and men?
11:21 Harry: Some of the barriers are structural, some are cultural
18:20 The crude toolkit for fixing child support
25:15 Black teachers, tutoring, and âhigh-quality career and tech edâ
31:44 In schools, one size doesnât fit all
35:22 Three ways to improve employment prospects
39:10 Glenn asks âthe Chicago questionâ
42:09 Discrimination against ex-convicts
50:38 Immigrationâs impact on black employment
53:29 Are too many people in prison?
56:07 Harry: Progressives are oblivious to the backlash they generate
Recorded August 20, 2024
Links and Readings
Harry and Glennâs conversation about âracism, narratives, and backlashâ with the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
Harry and Richard J. Freemanâs 1986 edited collection, The Black Youth Employment Crisis
Melissa Kearneyâs book, The Two-Parent Privilege: How Americans Stopped Getting Married and Started Falling Behind
Isabel V. Sawhillâs book, Generation Unbound: Drifting into Sex and Parenthood without Marriage
Douglas Harrisâs book, Charter School City: What the End of Traditional Public Schools in New Orleans Means for American Education
Glennâs paper with Young-Chul Kim, âRebranding Ex-Convictsâ
William Julius Wilsonâs book, The Declining Significance of Race: Blacks and Changing American Institutions
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1:28 John heads back to the linguistic woodshed
3:55 Glennâs nascent retirement plan
4:23 Glenn and Johnâs late summer reading
11:58 The âjoyâ of the Democratic National Convention
17:47 Ground News ad
20:11 The oratorical panache of the Obamas
25:37 John: Whatâs the point of all this performative joy?
30:16 Keywords from the DNC: âWeirdâ
34:17 Keywords from the DNC: âFreedomâ
41:48 Keywords from the DNC: âJoyâ
44:25 Keywords from the DNC: âFightâ
46:03 ACTA ad
47:52 Glennâs distrust of Kamalaâs candidacy
52:42 Why Glenn puts the âHusseinâ in âBarack Hussein Obamaâ
56:04 RFK Jrâs endorsement of Donald Trump
1:04:51 Coming soon: Breakfast with the Lourys
Recorded August 25, 2024
Links and Readings
Percival Everettâs novel, James
Harriet Beecher Stoweâs novel, Uncle Tomâs Cabin
James Baldwinâs essay, âEverybodyâs Protest Novelâ
Ta-Nehisi Coatesâs memoir, Between the World and Me
Alex Haleyâs novel, Roots: The Saga of an American Family
Barack Obamaâs DNC speech
Michelle Obamaâs DNC speech
Oprah Winfreyâs DNC speech
Johnâs NYT column, âThe Hidden Grammatical Reason That âWeirdâ Worksâ
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In this month's Substack subscriber-only Q&A session, Glenn and John tackle questions about supporting the Democratic Party, the departure of Columbia University's president, the Gaza War, Kamala Harris's promise to fight "price gouging" and more.
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0:20 Stephanieâs new video series, Faces of X
4:18 Glenn: âYouâre taking all the fun out of the culture warâ
7:30 Could we have had modernity without capitalism?
17:28 Glenn: Youâre taking a side in the debate without admitting it
20:35 What comes after âheterodoxyâ?
24:10 Stephanie: Seeing race as a lie may be the greatest reparation of all
32:32 Glenn: Calling race a construction doesnât get us âpast raceâ
38:23 Race in the next century
42:42 Transcending race without abandoning it
46:20 Awe and humility as spiritual necessities
Recorded August 13, 2024
Links and Readings
Glennâs previous TGS episode with Stephanie
Find Stephanie on X: @stephlepp
Glennâs 2016 conversation with Stephanie on Reckonings
Faces of X
Faces of X, âCan We Reframe the Capitalism Debateâ
Faces of X, âCan We Reframe the Race Debateâ
Glennâs conversation with Greg Thomas, âA Future for Black Traditionâ
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1:05 John: A Kamala Harris presidency wonât improve the discourse on race
9:12 Glenn: Kamala Harris is no Barack Obama
14:44 Why Glenn just canât excited about a Harris presidency
18:07 Ground News
20:40 How Kamala measures up to Obama under the spotlight
23:07 Kamalaâs code switching
25:50 Building the black political persona
33:51 White Ladies and White Dudes for Kamala
40:39 Are there white Sonya Masseys?
45:55 ACTA
48:03 Walzâs war on âweirdâ
48:14 The Dems get their hands dirty
55:48 Trumpâs near-death experience that wasnât
Recorded August 9, 2024
Links and Readings
Barack Obamaâs memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
Trumpâs on-stage interview before the National Association of Black Journalists
NYT story about Trumpâs alleged helicopter ride
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My lovely wife LaJuan and I appeared on the Due Dissidence podcast with Keaton Weiss and Russell Dobular, and we're re-presenting it here. Youâll hear us discuss my memoir and how all of our upbringings influenced our politics, free speech and the Gaza War protests, the decline of the Civil Rights Movement, Clarence Thomas, abortion, economic regulation, capitalism and socialism, Kamala Harris, Trumpsâs appearance at the NABJ conference, and more.
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1:32 Glenn's intro
3:10 Glenn's case against the Democrats
14:06 Why is Cornel West running for president?
18:58 A black, conservative defense of Trumpism
25:29 A leftist analysis of Trump's rising popularity among black men
30:45 Glenn's early call for Biden to step down
36:25 Trump's debate style
41:36 Glenn: Biden is a "singularly uninspiring" political figure
49:11 The presidential debate post-mortem
55:45 The âDEIâ candidates
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1:08 Johnâs work with Braver Angels
8:16 How Braver Angels gets its business done
13:09 Trying to bridge the partisan divide
20:27 Do some issues require taking sides?
27:37 Braver Angels's approach to the immigration issue
31:37 John: âTrump is more symptom than causeâ
38:47 Are some political conflicts unavoidable?
41:38 John: âWhat we need in America is a ... spiritual transformation in our attitudes toward one anotherâ
50:30 Braver Angels's American Hope Campaign
Recorded on July 25, 2025
Links and Readings
Glennâs 2020 conversation with John
Braver Angels
A Braver Way podcast
Eliza Taylor Hawkinsâs report, âDepolarizing During the Pandemicâ
Braver Angelsâs Trustworthy Elections Report
Johnâs speech before Braver Angelsâs 2023 National Convention
Thomas Sowellâs book, Black Rednecks & White Liberals
Braver Angelsâs American Hope Campaign
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