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Dan Rankine (aka 'trials') was the only little Aboriginal boy living in his rural Welsh village when he woke up shaking from a nightmare. That's when he and his mother knew they needed to go home to Adelaide.
Dan is now one of Australia's most respected hip hop producers, writers and rappers.
Born in Adelaide, Dan spent his early years on the other side of the world - in the rolling, green hills of rural Wales - with his mum, who had fled there from Dan's violent father in the middle of the night.
Far from his Ngarrindjeri connections, and with no one around who looked like him, Dan felt isolated.
After an unexplained nightmare, he and his mum decided to move back to Adelaide, where things didn't suddenly become perfect.
But a car crash, which could have been tragic, became an incredible turning point in Dan's life, allowing him to buy his first set of turntables.
And at 16 years old, Dad set himself on the path to becoming 'trials', performing, writing and producing with and for artists like the Funkoars, Hilltop Hoods, Archie Roach and A.B. Original.
Dan has recently stepped out on his own, to release his debut solo album Hendle - something of an origin story, full of honesty, pain and passion.
Hendle is out now. Dan is set to publish an accompanying memoir later this year.
Keep up to date with Dan's music, art and tour dates at on his Instagram page.
This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris. Executive Producer was Eliza Kirsch.
It explores First Nations excellence, substance abuse, family violence, domestic violence, cultural education, blended families, Briggs, Paul Kelly, Gurrumul, childhood trauma, art, expression, alcoholism, fatherhood, love, grief, estrangement, Australian hip-hop, Dune Rats, DZ Deathrays, TV and film soundtrack, systemic racism, justice system, violent crime, art as therapy, painting, memoir, writing, book, sobriety, poetry, Dan Sultan, triple J, Reclaim Australia, Aus Music Month, how to write songs, dark humour, growing up, becoming a man, journalling, self improvement, metaphysical, the Dreaming, belonging, prison, incarceration, beats, NWA, Wu Tang Clan.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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Erna Walraven was one of the first female zookeepers to work at Sydney's Taronga Zoo in the 1980s. She ignored practical jokes from her male colleagues, like animal dung in her gumboots, and this led to career highlights like travelling the globe to select the zoo's next gorilla patriarch. (R)
Erna was born in The Netherlands, to parents who were involved in the Dutch resistance during World War II.
Erna's love of languages took her to Spain, where she lived for many years with her widowed sister and young nephew.
It was there she met a penniless Australian backpacker and fell in love, starting Erna on the path to the rest of her life.
Further information
Originally broadcast May 2025.
Hear Me Roar was published by Affirm Press in 2025.
This episode was produced by Alice Moldovan. The Executive Producer was Nicola Harrison.
This episode touches on feminism, sexism, animals, breeding gorillas, zoos, captive animals, Dutch resistance, marry an Australian, Spain, love of languages, history and Europe.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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The Gamilaroi journalist on the tiny coalmining town that made her and still sustains her, how eating worms led to a job on breakfast TV, and why she's aiming to be a good ancestor in the deep future.
Brooke grew up in Muswellbrook, a coal mining town in NSW.
She was a smart, high-achieving kid, doing every extra-curricular activity she could fit in.
Despite this, she dropped out of high school and didn't finish her education.
After a couple of lost years, a kind boyfriend introduced Brooke to the idea of journalism, and suddenly, she was raring to go, earning jobs in the press gallery in Canberra for NITV, and on triple j, reading the news.
Brooke was at the height of her career, doing entertainment news on the Today show on Nine, when she made a decision that seemed to come out of left field.
In 2024 Brooke suddenly quit her high-profile job to take up an offer to study at Oxford University.
Oxford presented the opportunity to complete the unfinished business of her education after being robbed of her academic potential in high school.
In continuing to study, Brooke is focused on a life to be a not only a good auntie and sister but also a good ancestor for future generations.
Further information
Brooke's book of essays, All of It: Notes on public life, private joy and everything in between was published by Joan, an imprint of Allen & Unwin.
This episode was produced by Alice Moldovan. The Executive Producer is Eliza Kirsch.
This episode touches on the Voice to Parliament referendum, Aboriginal, language, climate change, Indigenous knowledge systems, aunty, ancestors, single mum, DV, domestic violence, work experience, political reporter, Tony Abbott, the news cycle, Canberra, the press gallery, parliament house, UTS, family, nieces, nephews, deep time, deep future, raise the age, age of criminal responsibility, children in prison, children in detention, Socratic method, philosophical argument, economics and politics.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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The much loved actor has been on Australian TV screens and theatres for nearly 50 years. (R)
Noni Hazlehurst comes from a long line of performers, her parents met while they were part of a touring Variety act in the UK, and her great grandfather was a famous child trapeze artist.
Keeping children company on Playschool was one of her best known roles, which she had for 24 years.
In Noni’s day, Playschool was recorded in one take, unless one of the presenters swore or was bitten by a rabbit.
Further information
Noni's memoir Dropping the Mask is published by HarperCollins.
This episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2024.
It explores acting, theatre, television, marriage, divorce, publicity, children's television, Playschool, Better Homes and Gardens, performing, family, renovations, privacy, legacy. audience, Logie awards.
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Political advisor Ed Coper on the cold-blooded machine that is feeding angry people angry content online to make them even angrier, and what we can do about it.
Ed Coper is a political advisor and communications consultant who has worked for the Australian Labor Party, and for progressive lobby groups.
Over the past few years, he has noticed what everyone else has - people on both sides of the divide becoming increasingly vocal and angry about their politics online.
While there's no shortage of things to get outraged about in today's world, no matter where you lie on the political spectrum, Ed argues our rage is being monetised cold-bloodedly by social media platforms.
This digital, online machine has planted us in what he calls the era of 'angertainment', where an entire outrage industry is harvesting our worst impulses with algorithms that deliberately trigger the caveman switch in our brains that keeps us alert for potential threats.
But there is an antidote.
Ed says we need to understand this machine in order to build guardrails that preserve democracy, heal divisions and protect future generations from the "angry clowns" who currently rule the attention economy.
Angertainment is published in Simon and Schuster.
This episode of Conversations explores politics, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, divisive society, social cohesion, left versus right, attention spans, war, Trump, Putin, Gaza, Israel, Ukraine, elections, World War 3, the future, chronically online, rage bait, internet trolls, keyboard warriors, content farming, bots, Russia, Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Get Up, populism, political ideology, transgender issues, attention economy, MAGA, the woke left, polarised society, family violence, violence against women, misogyny, entertainment industry, Hollywood, nihilism, conservatives, progressives.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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The former Canberra Raiders player on hiding his fantasy reading habits as a kid in Western Queensland, the joy of doing hard things, and how books brought him back from the brink. Warning: Discussion of suicide.
Luke was a sensitive kid, growing up on a cattle station in Western Queensland.
He loved being transported by fantasy novels — following the quests, battles and magic they offered him.
Luke found release in these books, beyond the hard work and zipped lips of the strong men he saw around him.
Luke didn’t fit into that mould, though he did plenty of work on the farm and loved playing footy.
The sport helped him find a place to belong in his world.
As a young man, he scored a place in the Canberra Raiders NRL team, and was introduced to the world of gambling.
This quickly spiralled into an addiction, and Luke abused drugs and alcohol to numb the pain of this period.
Despite being at the height of his young life, and earning hundreds of thousands of dollars each year, Luke couldn’t pay for his groceries. He couldn’t put fuel in the car.
He was spending all his money on betting.
When things hit rock bottom, Luke relied on the strongest, most loving person he knew — his mum.
He understood, somehow, that to get out of the deep hole he was in, he had to find his way back to reading.
Further information
Luke is writing his first two fantasy novels, which will be released in early 2027 under Atria Books Australia, an imprint of Simon & Schuster.
If you need someone to speak to, you can always call or chat online with Lifeline on 13 11 14.
This episode was produced by Alice Moldovan. The Executive Producer is Eliza Kirsch.
This episode touches on suicide, gambling, having a flutter, addiction, rehab, love mum, strong mum, single mum, horse racing, the trots, syndicate, racing horse, borrowing money, Newcastle, rock bottom, hitting rock bottom, powerless over addiction, hero's journey, MDMA, cocaine, alcohol abuse, relapse, recovery, non-linear journey, toxic masculinity, self help, sensitive man.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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Jayden Sheridan was just 17 years old when he found out he was going to be a father, and immediately Jayden knew he needed to give his son better opportunities than he ever had growing up in regional Victoria. (R)
In Seymour, which is one of the most disadvantaged postcodes in Australia, Jayden experienced homelessness, substance abuse, violence and a general lack of direction.
He had no male role models in his life, but he did have the local skate park.
It's where he went to feel safe and to feel himself, and Jayden wanted to create that same feeling for his son, and all the other kids in his town of Seymour.
What started as adhoc skate lessons quickly turned into Gnarly Neighbours, something far bigger and more impactful than 17-year-old Jayden could have imagined.
Jayden has recently been selected as a 2026 Westpac Social Change Fellow. His fellowship involves travelling across the US, Europe and the UK to learn from organisations doing similar work in creative and trauma-informed mentoring for young people.
You can learn more about Gnarly Neighbours here.
This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris. Executive Producer was Carmel Rooney.
This episode of Conversations explores substance abuse, drug use, drug dealing, expulsion, troubled children, mental health, bipolar disorder, teen parenting, teen fatherhood, teen motherhood, skateboarding, skating, streetwear, origin stories, family dynamics, male role models, father figures, dysfunctional families, single parenting, rural and regional Australia, masculinity, manhood, rites of passage, mentoring.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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The Wikipedia co-founder has developed seven rules for building trust to create a better world, both on the internet and IRL.
Growing up in Huntsville, Alabama, Jimmy was enamoured with his family's Encyclopaedia Britannica.
The city was home to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre, and the energy of the place gave a young Jimmy a robust enthusiasm for technology and the future.
As a young man, Jimmy developed the idea to start a free, online encyclopaedia, built by strangers and shared across languages.
In 2001, Wikipedia was born, and for a time it was derided.
Now, the website is a mainstay of the internet and a resource trusted by many.
Jimmy says Wikipedia is all about strangers working together on the internet, in pursuit of a common goal, powered by their shared enthusiasm, and that is something to celebrate.
Further information
The Seven Rules of Trust: Why It Is Today's Most Essential Superpower is published by Bloomsbury.
This episode was produced by Alice Moldovan. The Executive Producer is Eliza Kirsch.
It covers Twitter, X, trolls, vandalism, respect, civility, not-for-profit, tech bros, volunteers, social media ban, nupedia, servers, bots, AI, meconium aspiration syndrome, authenticity, empathy, logic, abortion, internet traffic, shouting online and civil discussion.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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Joh Jarvis was a high-flying boss when grief from a terrible loss began to overwhelm her. She tried therapy, exercise and healthy eating. Then she found Vedic meditation, and the experience was 'psychedelic'. (R)
Joh Jarvis is a Vedic meditation teacher in New York City.
On a regular basis Joh travels to the notorious Rikers Island Prison in the Bronx.
There, she teaches meditation to men waiting on remand.
Inside a prison which is often violent and chaotic, she aims to give them a new way of coping.
Joh grew up in Adelaide, and always wanted to live amidst the bright lights of New York.
After a stint as a bicycle courier, she worked her way up to management at the ABC.
As she approached 50, she had a well-paying job, a nice house, and strong connections with friends and family.
But long-term grief had hollowed her out, and she asked herself, is this all there is?
Then she was introduced to Vedic meditation, and she says her first encounter was 'psychedelic'.
Read more about Joh's work at Rikers Island and other US prisons at her website The Light Inside.
And you can see Joh in action on ABC TV's Compass.
This episode of Conversations was produced by Alice Moldovan. Executive Producer was Nicola Harrison.
It explores epic life stories, family dynamics, grief, loss, reflection, Vedic meditation, meditation, personal stories, origin stories, death, career, giving back, New York City, Rikers Island prison, incarceration, justice system, prison system, mindfulness, mantras, health and wellness, suicide.
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Staff writer at The New Yorker, Patrick Radden Keefe tells the story of Zac Brettler, who inexplicably changed from a charming and hilarious boy into a money- and status-obsessed young man, who mixed with gangsters and shady businessmen.
Patrick's new book begins with the description of a scene that was picked up by a surveillance camera in London in the early hours of a November morning in 2019.
The footage showed a grainy image of a shadowy figure, anxiously moving about the balcony of a luxury apartment.
That young man's name was Zac Brettler.
He was 19 years old, and hours later his body was discovered on the banks of the River Thames.
Patrick Radden Keefe’s investigation explores Zac’s secret life posing as the son of a Russian oligarch, and delves into the true identities of the wealthy gangsters who were there in his final hours.
Further information
London Falling: A Mysterious Death in a Gilded City, and a Family's Search for Truth is published by Pan Macmillan Australia.
This episode covers grief, fantasy life, con artists, London underworld, Boris Johnson, family tragedy, luxury, Holocaust survivors, rabbi, Mill Hill school, young men, making money, raising boys, Roman Abramovich, oligarch, plutocrat, MI6 and true crime.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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The philosopher argues that as a culture, we'd be happier and saner if we re-examined our view of love, because our romantic notions can actually work against the relationships we want most. (R)
Alain De Botton's novel from 2016 called The Course of Love challenges many assumptions about falling in love and what comes next.
Alain first tackled the subject when he wrote Essays of Love in his early 20s.
The episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2016
The producer was Michelle Ransom-Hughes and the Executive Producer was Pam O'Brien.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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The renowned physician discusses the role of trauma in our lives, showing up as addiction, chronic disease and mental illness, and how recognising his own led to true healing. (R)
Dr Gabor Maté was born in Budapest to a Jewish family, just before Nazi tanks rolled into the city.
His mother risked handing him to a stranger on the street to try and get him to safety.
Many years later, after establishing himself as a successful physician in Canada, Gabor looked at the problems in his work and marriage and wondered if they were linked to that early trauma.
He uses his own experiences as a test case for the effects of trauma on the body and the body-mind connection.
Dr Mate is internationally renowned for his ideas around the lifelong impact of trauma.
He believes it is contributing factor to rates of addiction, chronic disease, and mental illness, as well as ADHD.
His views are sometimes described as unorthodox by his critics, but Dr Mate argues that understanding trauma of all kinds allows for real healing, as has happened in his own life.
Further Information
The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness and Healing in a Toxic Culture by Dr Gabor Maté with Daniel Maté is published by Penguin Random House.
This episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2025.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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Diana Nguyen's mother would walk out of her performances at interval in protest of her career, but Diana forged on and in the process healed this mother-daughter relationship. (R)
Diana Nguyen knew she was born for a life on the stage when she discovered dancing while staying in a nunnery as a child.
Her love affair with the arts, however, fractured her relationship with her mother, who had escaped Vietnam by boat and wanted her eldest daughter to be 'more' than a performer.
But a trip to her motherland helped heal this mother-daughter relationship, and after years of walking out of her performances in protest, Diana finally saw her mum from the stage as she took her bow.
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At 48, Bill Hayes moved to New York. He took up photography, and never anticipated the surprise of falling in love with his neighbour, Dr Oliver Sacks, a neurologist, a naturalist and a university professor. (R)Doctor Oliver Sacks became famous for writing case histories of his patients in books, including The Man Who Mistook his Wife for a Hat, and An Anthropologist on Mars.
At 75 years old, Oliver had never been in a relationship, until he fell deeply in love with his neighbour Bill Hayes, who was decades younger than him.
Bill and Oliver lived together until Oliver Sacks died in 2015, in his early eighties.
Further information
Bill's memoir Insomniac City was published in 2017 by Bloomsbury.
This conversation was recorded at the 2017 Sydney Writers' Festival.
The producer was Nicola Harrison and the Executive Producer was Pam O'Brien.
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Louise Philip had just scored her breakout role on Australian television, in Bellbird, when a horrific car crash threatened to derail the life she was forging for herself. (R)
Louise was 15 years old when she convinced her parents to let her drop out of high school to become an actress.
She had just scored her breakout role on Australian television, but within a few months a terrible car crash threatened to derail the life that she was forging for herself.
Louise broke her back and permanently lost the use of her legs, and she was told that the silver screen was no longer a place for her.
But Louise fought to get back to work, and thrived on Australian television sets for years until she did something else that people told her was impossible -- she became a mother.
Only after Louise became a mother did she have the perspective to deeply talk to her father, who was driving the car when it crashed all those years ago, about grief, guilt and forgiveness.
This episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2024.
The producer was Nicola Harrison and the executive producer was Carmel Rooney.
It explores disability, tv acting, Australian television, disability access, discrimination, grief, guilt, motherhood, family, love, tragedy, resilience, forgiveness.
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As a little girl growing up in Brisbane in the era of the White Australia policy, Lindy lived through the pain of always feeling different but then she began using it as fuel for her art. (R)
It took her many years to find the power in what she calls the 'tearing' in her identity.
She began to make work based on her own family story, and her Zen practice.
Lindy is now one of Australia's leading contemporary artists.
This episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2022
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At 25, Peter Goers lost both of his parents after the commercial plane they were travelling in crashed into a suburb of New Orleans shortly after take off.Suddenly, he was required to drop everything to fly to America and identify their bodies, he also spent time the relatives of the other 143 passengers that died in the tragedy.
For many years Peter's reaction to losing his parents was expressed through a reckless regard for his own life, before finally learning how to live with himself and the defining tragedy of his life.
Peter Goers is a retired ABC broadcaster, he presented The Evening Show on 891 ABC Adelaide for over 20 years.This episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2023.It was produced by Nicola Harrison and Eliza Kirch is the Executive Producer.
Further Information
Peter's memoir, In the Air of the Afternoon is published through Wakefield Press.
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For 45 years, George Palmer harboured a secret. He spent every spare moment composing classical music, and then shoving his scores in his bottom drawer. Until one day, almost by pure chance, that music saw the light of day.
As a young man, George had dreams of becoming a renowned classical music composer, but when he walked into university, he didn't feel like he belonged in the music department.
George left after his first week, and followed a school friend into the law department.
At first, George was not inspired by the law, but he ended up falling in love with the human side of the justice system.
For the next 45 years, he climbed the ranks from barrister, to Queen's Counsel, and finally to judge in the NSW Supreme Court, where he had ultimate responsibility for all adoptions in the state.
But through all those years in public life, George had a secret "vice".
Every spare moment he had was spent at his piano, scribbling down choral works and orchestral scores that he never intended anyone to see or hear.
He never spoke about composing with his colleagues, friends or family, until one day George's talents were uncovered through chance and tragedy.
George's latest work The Drover's Wife - The Opera is playing at Brisbane's QPAC until 22 May, and then will be staged at Sydney's Opera House in August, 2026.
This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris. Executive Producer is Eliza Kirsch.
It explores World War Two, family origin stories, spies, British intelligence, hearing loss, late in life career changes, second career, protective list, adoption, foster care, Supreme Court, legal system, justice system, judicial system, commercial law, Beethoven, Bach, Wagner, opera, contemporary classical music, contemporary Australian composers, Indigenous stories, Leah Purcell, stage adaptations, books, writing.
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From muscle paralysis and sleepwalking, to the power of our subconscious, Dr Sutapa Mukherjee takes you into the secret world of sleep.
Dr Sutapa Mukherjee is a sleep specialist fascinated by how the time we spend awake is built on the hours we spend horizontal, and totally withdrawn from the world.
She trained initially as a respiratory specialist, but moved into sleep research when she realised how little was known about what happens to us when our conscious mind switches off at night.
Sutapa helps people to overcome sleep disorders, like insomnia, sleepwalking and narcolepsy, which can sometimes come with a condition known as cataplexy: when laughter or another strong emotion causes someone to instantly collapse into sleep.
This episode of Conversations was first broadcast in 2024
The producer was Meggie Morris and Carmel Rooney was the Executive Producer.
It explores sleep, insomnia, sleepwalking, narcolepsy, sleep apnoea, consciousness, cataplexy, mental health, physical health, mental clarity, energy, mood, snoring, respiratory illness, mindfulness, anxiety
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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Former AFLW star Moana Hope has spent her life caring for others, including her dying father and her beloved sister Vinny, who has an intellectual disability. It wasn't until Mo was in her 30s that she realised she needed to learn how to love herself.
Content Warning: this episode of Conversations contains discussion of childhood abuse, domestic violence and suicidal ideation.
Moana Hope grew up with 13 siblings in a two-bedroom housing commission home in Melbourne's north west.
As a little girl, she played football with the boys and then with grown women, and in her 20s she took on full-time caring responsibilities for two of her nephews, as well as her sister, who lives with an intellectual disability.
This backstory, along with her natural talent for the game and charisma off the field, helped Mo stand out as a star of the women's game when the AFLW was launched in 2017.
Mo was a marquee player for Collingwood in the women's debut season.
But she retired earlier than she had planned to.
Post-AFLW, Mo had a lot of time to think about herself outside of football, and about the chaos and violence that was normalised in her childhood home.
But it wasn't until Mo became a mother herself, that she fully reckoned with her understanding of love.
Mo shares intimate snippets from her life on Instagram.
This episode of Conversations was produced by Meggie Morris. Executive Producer is Eliza Kirsch.
It explores AFL, the Pies, Melbourne, Glenroy, Maori heritage, Cancer, death, grief, caring, queerness, footy, Hawthorne, women's sports, cricket, mother daughter relationships, mother father relationships, personal work, therapy, inner child work, sisterhood, engineering, female business owners, motherhood, sons and mothers, violence, abuse, financial abuse, Essendon, GWS, Richmond, Adelaide.
To binge even more great episodes of the Conversations podcast with Richard Fidler and Sarah Kanowski go the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. There you’ll find hundreds of the best thought-provoking interviews with authors, writers, artists, politicians, psychologists, musicians, and celebrities.
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