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Reporting live from the basement where Annie Lowrey is chained to a radiator while a six-foot-tall sentient copy of Abundance holds a gun to her head, Caro & Katie review four pieces in major newspapers and magazines that were published in the days leading up to the New York City mayoral race when it became clear that the progressive Democrat who somehow managed to lead the polls without throwing trans people or immigrants under the bus might actually win.
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SkinnyTok is full of contradictions: Youâll hear you need to work hard to lose weight so you can be effortlessly chic; youâll discover a world of corporeal obsession in which attaining a âhot bodyâ is the ultimate form of pleasure. So why does it all feel so sterile?
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In 2015, Caro took a politics course at the University of Virginia called âSex Differences.â This is her story.
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Six years and five Trump press secretaries ago, The Guardian reported that, thanks to Trumpâs ceaseless tweeting, the press secretary position had become âredundant,â an anachronism from a quainter era of politics when presidents didnât preside like mad kings over their own social media platforms. So what should we make of Karoline Leavitt and the role sheâs performing in this political theater?
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Diabolical Lies is 100% listener-supported culture and politics podcast designed to make you smarter, saner, and infinitely more unbearable at your next family gathering. 33% of our revenue is redistributed to organizations actively working to build a better world for everyoneâone in which people like Karoline Leavitt are relegated to their rightful position in society making conspiracy theory YouTube videos about the Denver airport.
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Over the last several months, the policy agenda of the pro-natalist right has become startlingly clear. Whatâs much less clear, though, is how the left plans to counter such red-pilled pro-baby and pro-family rhetoricâor if the left even wants to counter this rhetoric.
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Katie & Caro answer questions from our paid subscriber chat of Dirty Little Liars, like:
* Who would be your dream guest on Diabolical Lies (if you ever get over your narcissistic obsession with being the only two people yapping)?
* Are you actually joining DSA (Democratic Socialists of America)?
* What are the logistical challenges around setting up the charitable aspect of the business?
* Whatâs an issue youâve recently changed your opinion on?
âŠplus, some Careless People and Space Girlboss reflection.
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Itâs the best system weâve tried so far! Itâs just human nature! Itâs the force that drives innovation! âŠor is it? What if capitalism isnât pushing us forward anymore, but holding us back from the future that we could have? Diabolical Lies investigates.
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You asked, we answered. Today weâre talking about the latest, greatest moral panic of our time: Are trans athletes ruining womenââŠ
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The âMAHA Momsâ insist their healthy living movement is all about âthe children,â who youâll quickly learn are being âpoisonedâ by all the âtoxicâ ingredients in our food supply or corrupted by the crooked doctors in our medical system. But which kids is this really for?
This episode is a Tour de Grift that explores some of the most notable figureheads, their claims, and how this information metastasizesâso that even @CrunchyMom6969 ends up sharing vaccine misinformation between enema cleanse updates.
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What does it mean to ârun the government like a businessâ in America today? In todayâs episode, we scrutinize the fetishization of âefficiencyâ and the American businessman, the role this valorization played in the ascendancy of our current âleaders,â and what everyoneâs getting wrong about how business is done in America todayâthrough the lens of a recent bombshell report that âbreastaurantâ Hooters is filing for bankruptcy.
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References in the Episode
âIs Hooters Really Rebranding Because Millennials âArenât That Into Boobsâ Anymore? Hereâs What We Know So Far,â the important, hard-hitting journalism youâve come to expect from Peter Thielâs favorite beach read, Evie Magazine
âThe decline and fall of Hooters,â by Kara Kennedy in The New Statesman
âHooters in Talks for Potential Bankruptcy in Coming Months,â by Eliza Ronalds-Hannon and Reshmi Basu for Bloomberg UK
âChanticleer Holdings and Hooters Ring NASDAQ Closing Bell,â a 2012 Hooters press release
âPrison food is the latest target in a campaign to divest holdings,â by Fola Akinnibi for The Los Angeles Times, because nothing says American dream quite like the ROI on mass incarceration
âPE Firms Rebrand Prison Healthcare Companies, But Care Issues Continue,â by Syed Hamza Sohail for HIT Consultant
The Private Equity Stakeholder Projectâs report on HIG Capital and Wellpath, and the 1,395 times the âCorrect Care Solutionsâ subsidiary was sued in federal court
âPE-Backed Prison Health-Care Firm Wellpath Declares Bankruptcyâ by Dorothy Ma for Bloomberg
âH.I.G. Capitalâs Companies Mired in Regulatory and Headline Risk,â by Eileen OâGrady for the Private Equity Stakeholder Project
âH.I.G. Capital puts Hooters up for sale,â by Luisa Beltran for PE Hub in 2015
âH.I.G. calls off âHooters of Americaâ auction,â by Luisa Beltran for PE Hub approximately 10 minutes later lol
âH.I.G.-backed Hooters of America seeks a buyer: sources,â by Luisa Beltran for PE Hub in 2018
âNew Owners of Hooters Plan to Expand Less Offensive Spinoff, Hootsâ by Greg Morabito for Eater
âHooters of America sold to 2 private equity firms,â by Julie Littman for Restaurant Dive
âHooters of America Announces Closing of $70 Million Term Loan Facility,â from Stephen Brown on Business Wire
âHow the Financialization of America Hurt Workers and the Economy,â by Michael Collins for IndustryWeek
âThe Apprentice, Intro Season 1, Donald Trump,â which is nothing short of an absolute fucking trip to the reality television universe where this man truly shined and shouldâve stayed
Marjorie Taylor Greene being generally confused about how the government is supposed to work pt. 359235
âTrump seeks to run government like a business, for better or worse,â by Brett Samuels for The Hill, which contains some of the bleakest quotes known to science
âDOGE is causing the very problem it claims to be solving,â by Shannon Arvizu for The Hill
âTrump Quietly Plans to Liquidate Public Lands to Finance His Sovereign Wealth Fund,â by Mark Haggerty and Jenny Rowland-Shea for the Center for American Progress
Ronald Reagan contradicting himself for 41 seconds
âHow Ronald Reagan Tried to Shrink Government Spendingâ by Christopher Klein for History
usaspending.gov, a literal line by line accounting of where we spend money
âAmericans voted for Trump, but donât support his agenda,â by G. Elliott Morris for ABC News
âWhat DOGE is Doing Across the Federal Government,â by Nik Popli for Time
fiscaldata.treasury.gov, where you can learn about the national debt
âHow Much Is the National Debt? What Are the Different Measures Used?â from the Peter G. Peterson Foundation
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Letâs get spicy, yâall! Today, weâre talking about the politics of consensual sex work, through the lens of a recent, extremely viral documentary that covered sex worker and OnlyFans influencer Lily Phillipsâs 100-men-in-a-day sex stunt. If you havenât watched the documentary yet, weâve embedded it in this post for your easy viewing pleasure. And yes, this documentary is safe for work; the curse words are censored and thereâs no actual nudity. The same cannot be said for the podcast episode. Youâve been warned!
A note: this conversation was recorded prior to the are-they-or-arenât-they viral drama of Phillips and fellow influencer-sex-worker Bonnie Blue both claiming they are pregnant within hours of one another, but for apparently different reasons (?), so we didnât cover that. But please sound off in the comments if youâd like to discuss!
References in This Episode
The video of Ben Shapiro insisting quite seriously that women who fuck around will always eventually find out
âLily Phillips, OnlyFans and the big lie that sex work is good for you,â a rollicking ride of a think piece by Tanya Gold which dares to ask the question on everyoneâs mind these days: What if women are not, in fact, sentient?
âShame on the men exploiting Lily Phillips,â a left-wing take by feminist Julie Bindel that will show you just how bipartisan the hatred for sex work truly is
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A womanâs appearance has always been inseparable from her message in politics. So what does this latest, conspicuous shift signal? In this episode, weâre taking a question the New Right is obsessed withâwhat is a woman?âand answering it by analyzing the aesthetic transformations of the women they tolerate becoming prominent and visible within their coalition.
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A few days ago, shortly after the TikTok ban was lifted, we recorded this conversation about the dueling algorithmic histories of TikTok and Facebook, the strange mirror world they provide for us to understand US vs. China sentiment, and the crack-in-the-universe moment that RedNote offered the world.
In the time since we recorded, a few major news stories have broken:
* TikTok users are reporting that TikTok is now removing comments including #freepalestine and labeling them as âhate speechâ
* Meta is under fire for allegedly requiring people to follow the POTUS and VP Instagram accounts, as well as blurring images that relate to abortion care resources
* A new trend on TikTok called âcute winter bootsâ is being utilized to share information on how to resist the Trump administration (the adminâs anti-immigration efforts in particular)
* A Chinese start-up, DeepSeek, released an insanely advanced open source AI model that 1) absolutely trounces American AI efforts across all benchmarks, 2) was funded on a fraction of the resources that American companies claim to require, and 3) flies directly in the face of extensive US efforts to limit Chinese competition in the space via chip export restrictions
Fortunately for our new audio engineer (and unfortunately for just, like, the general state of America right now), these new developments did not require any last-minute editsâif anything, they reinforce the arguments underpinning this conversation.
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Since the passage of the US PATRIOT Act in 2001, the culture of anti-terrorism in the United States has proven fertile ground for at once legitimizing a threat as extreme and delegitimizing the context which produced it. So what does it mean when itâs a label deployed more often for college protestors and disgruntled Florida moms than murderous white supremacists?
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Feminism is in the midst of an identity crisis: What is feminism? What does it mean to âbe a feministâ? The gap has created an opening for a few media-savvy writers and thinkers to refashion the movement in their own image: a âwomenâs rightsâ movement that uses anti-capitalist language to make things like unprotected sex and unpaid labor look like liberation.
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Evie Magazine bills itself as a âCosmopolitan for conservatives,â but is that the best description for this editorial mission? Spoiler alert: No! Todayâs sprawling conversation explores every nook and cranny of this dumpster fire of a âmedia company,â as well as the⊠uncanny, letâs say, timing of Hannah Neeleman becoming an Evie cover girl and the beneficiary of a glowing NYT puff piece, all in a matter of days.
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Caro & Katie dive headfirst into the âmale loneliness epidemic,â âthe boys are not all right,â âfeminism hurts menâ discourse to understand which right-wing think tankâs research suddenly indicates The Menâąïž are struggling, its curious timing, and the frustrating tendency of all the coverage to completely gloss over the core problem.
References in this Episode
Of Boys and Men, by Richard Reeves, the man who has penned most of the mainstream coverage on this issue, like this one in the Wall Street Journal
The CNN segment featuring Scott Galloway, âYoung Men Feel Abandoned by the Democratic Partyâ
âHow I Escaped the Alt-Right Pipeline,â the video we watched clips of in the second half of this episode that identifies Jordan Peterson as a common entry point
âAlok Vaid-Menon: The Urgent Need for Compassion,â an interview for the Man Enough podcast
âomg enough about male loneliness,â by Clara for Hmm That's Interesting
âOn the Ballot: American Manhood,â by Richard Reeves for The Wall Street Journal
âAmericaâs Young Men Are Falling Further Behind,â by Rachel Wolfe for The Wall Street Journal
âHow I Escaped the Alt-Right Pipeline,â by YouTuber JimmytheGiant
Bonus Reading & Resources
âPatriarchy is Bad for Men and Boysâ from Matriarchy Report
âWhy arenât we talking about the real reason male college enrollment is dropping?â from Celeste Davis of Matriarchal Blessing, about the âfeminizationâ of higher education
âRace, Class, and Gender in the United States: Fear, Shame, and Silence in the Construction of Gender Identityâ by Michael Kimmel, which is a fancy academic PDF by a sociologist about all the ways âmasculinityâ is invented and redefined over time
âHow an Empty Internet Gave Us Tradwives and Trumpâ by all-star heavy-hitter Diabolical Lies favorite, Tressie McMillan Cottom, which explains the cultural aesthetic of the âpodcast broâ
âPatriarchy Is Bad for Men and Boys, Too,â a banger by Lane Anderson for Lane Anderson
Time Stamps
0:00 - BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MEN? letâs discuss.
3:00 - Hulk Hogan enters the chat because of course
5:00 - *whispers* this is a conversation about identity politics actually!!!
6:00 - understanding Richard Reeves, the architect of the âwhat about the boysâ movement
11:55 - CNN clip #1, in which two bald white men in suits convey their grave concern about the fact that âmen have fallenâ
14:11 - CNN clip #2, in which those bald white men seem not to realize that âlatinos,â ârural Americans,â âethnic Americans,â âseniors,â and other demographic groupsâŠincludeâŠmen????
19:10 â final piece of mainstream coverage, in which a featured image on an article says the quiet part out loud
23:35 â what is patriarchy, actually?
28:24 â are the men actually more lonely than other demographics?
32:10 â in case anyone wants to learn more about how the American Enterprise Institute lifts up men
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Caro & Katie engage in a close read of the viral Free Press debate TikTok that stars a young woman angry she canât live on a homestead, and accidentally discover itâs uniquely emblematic of the sort of right-wing radicalization weâre witnessing en masse in the United States.
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Caro & Katie talk about abortion in America, starting with leaders in the evangelical church recognizing it as a political tool in the 1970s with which to gain power in the face of unwanted desegregation, to the profound discomfort that modern politicians across the spectrum express about the subjectâthat is, until maybe, right now. It turns out that American women have never actually been guaranteed the freedom to get an abortion, and to begin changing that, we need a new moral framework.
References, Bonus Reading & Timestamps, Oh My
References
âAn Irish Problem,â a knock-your-socks-off essay by Sally Rooney about something that is also, incidentally, An American Problem
âHillary Clintonâs Moral Conflicts on Abortion,â a 2016 profile in The Atlantic that feels, in retrospect, like such an ambulance siren warning for the years to come that it might just inspire you to quit your job, spend a decade or two building a time machine, and go back in time just to try that much harder to get Bernie across the finish line at the DNC
âObama Says Abortion Rights Are Not a Priority,â a 2009 Reuters article that will make you realize the time machine needs to take you back earlier
âJimmy Carter Says Jesus Would Not Support Abortion, Revealing âOnly Conflictâ Between His Politics and Christian Faith,â an article that will make you say fuck it, the time machine effort is pointless, and inspire you to smash the time machine in a field, Office Space-style, because when it comes to Democrats dropping the ball on abortion, the limit does not apparently exist
âDoctors Agreed Her Baby Would Die 3 Months Before She Was Forced to Give Birth,â a Rolling Stone story of a Florida woman who was psychologically, physically, and financially tortured by Ron DeSantisâs abortion laws
The Turnaway Study (2008), a 10-year longitudinal study of nearly 1,000 women who sought abortionsâsome of whom accessed care and others who were denied itâthat found not only do women who get abortions not regret it (95% reported it was the right choice in the years that followed), but those who donât receive care accurately predict the hardships they will encounter after being denied care
âThe Obstacle Course Facing Those Seeking Abortions,â a 2021 interview with reproductive rights expert Carole Joffe that offers insight into just how shitty our âgolden ageâ of reproductive rights under Roe really was
âThe Religious Right and the Abortion Myth,â a 2022 piece in Politico in which old quotes from Christianity Today prove how little church leaders cared about abortion, and how in 1971, the delegates to the Southern Baptist Convention passed a resolution calling for the legalization of abortion, a position they reaffirmed in 1974 and again in 1976 (one year and three years after Roe v. Wade, respectively)
Bonus Reading/Listening
âThe New York Timesâ War on Trans Kids,â a truly stellar episode of If Books Could Kill that highlights the Republican strategy of taking a microscopic statistic/nonexistent âproblemâ and using it to delegitimize an entire civil rights issue
âAbortion Is Ancient History and That Matters Today,â a lovely CNN debunking of the âabortion = modernityâ fallacy we see everywhere
âThe Brilliance of Safe, Legal, and Rare,â an Atlantic article highlighting the most annoying âpro-choiceâ rhetorical argument of all time
Timestamps
0:00 - this episode brought to you byâŠ
1:15 - Diabolical Lies makes its first-ever presidential endorsement!!!
2:30 - lil explainer on how todayâs conversation will unfold, featuring a deranged metaphor/Dane Cook deep cut about three monkeys fucking a coconut
4:42 - meet the first monkey that fucked the coconut: the Republican christo-fascist base
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A critique of work that best illustrates different elements of the, âI used to be a liberal, butâŠâ media personality that purports to have invented a bold new form of centrist, independent thinkingâbut upon further inspection, itâsâŠjust conservatism, often cloaked in the language of the left.
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