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This is a salty conversation and itâs also the kind of conversation that cracks you wide open. I sit down with Jill Winger - not to discuss her incredible work with Old-Fashioned on Purpose, her courses, her planner, or her book which are all amazing - but to talk about her life philosophies, our shared hot takes, and to lean into our complexity as humans. We explore the complexities of modern communication, the importance of intentional living, and the challenges of building community in a polarized society. We talk about being reflexive contrarians and sometimes needing to go to an extreme to bounce back to some nuance. We discuss the value of discomfort in personal growth as much as we talk about when and how to choose ease, the balance between generalism and specialization, and the necessity of real human connection in an increasingly digital world. We explore choosing when we need to choose discomfort (often!) but also when we need to choose ease. All around, about holding the tension between modern and old-fashioned ways of living, and just holding the tension between so many paradoxical qualities of ourselves and our lives.
Find Jill:
Instagram: @jill.winger
Website
Youtube
2025 Old Fashioned On Purpose Planner
Meal Craft
Old-Fashioned on Purpose: Cultivating a Slower, More Joyful Life
Resources Mentioned:
Reclaiming Conversation: The Power of Talk in a Digital Age by Sherry Turkle
Essentialism by Greg McKeown
Molecule of More by Daniel Lieberman, MD and Michael E. Long
10x is Easier Than 2x by Dan Sullivan
Hope for Cynics by Jamil Zaki
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WHOOEE. Brock Dolman, folks, in this episode is weaving together all sorts of things previously explored on the podcast in a new (old) and incredibly articulate way. This podcast is about water cycles, beavers, fire, sand, geology, the oceans, a living earth, and so much more. Brock is a conservation ecologist and a specialized generalist over at the Occidental Arts and Ecology Center. Heâs also, in his own right, a linguist and an incredible waeaver of words. We explore the nouns and verbs of earth as energy flows, matter cycles, and life webs. This episode is a catch all - and at the heart of it, is a message about how to build lasting community.
Find Brock Dolman:
Occidental Arts and Ecology Center
Water and Fire Video
The Universe is a Green Dragon: A Cosmic Creation Story by Brian Swimme
Biomimicry: Innovation Inspired by Nature by Janine Benyus
Creating a Life Together: Practical Tools to Grow Ecovillages and Intentional Communities by Diana Leafe Christian
The End of Growth By Richard Heinberg
The Ghost Forest by Greg King
Eager by Ben Goldfarb
Beaver Land by Leila Philip
Tree Crops by J. Russell Smith
Picture of subsidence san Joaquin valley of telephone pole
Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer
Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows
Blessed Unrest by Paul Hawken
AC/DC: The Savage Tale of the First Standards War
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In this episode, I sit down with Katy Bowman. First, a long on-ramp to the episode where I talk about where some of Katyâs work dovetails with explorations of how we move resources to our bodies (when we used to move our bodies to resources) that weâve been exploring on the podcast. Katy and I then dive into the ecology of movement, movement diets, finding your movement why, and how you might consider stacking community into movement.
Find Katy Bowman:
My Perfect Movement Plan: The Move Your DNA All Day WorkbookMovement Matters: Essays on Movement Science, Movement Ecology, and the Nature of MovementInstagram: @nutritiousmovement
Website
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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In this episode of the podcast I sit down with John Perlin, whose book A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of Civilization explores the history of, well, of us. As youâll hear in this episode the history of humans is inextricably intertwined, or made possible, with the history of trees and of wood. Wood is our materia prima, the foundational material of both our ecology on earth and the civilizations we have built. We explore the cycles of humanity and their relationship with wood throughout the last million years, touching on the Stone Age (which is really the wood age), Rome and Greece, the American revolution, the Industrial revolution, containerization and the green revolution, and the present. Johnâs book offers us a mirror to see our activities and how the stories we tell ourselves are ones weâve been telling ourselves over and over again.
Find John Perlin:
A Forest Journey: The Role of Trees in the Fate of Civilization
Let It Shine: The 6,000-Year Story of Solar Energy
Website
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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In this episode, I sit down with anthropologist Alyshia GĂĄlvez to talk about her book Eating NAFTA. The conversation is from two people who came to economic policy through unlikely means, but as Alyshia explains, economic policy in general, and NAFTA in particular - on its 30 year anniversary, has become a part of all of our bodies whether weâre aware of it or not. Alyshiaâs work is incredible at connecting dots that arenât often seen in economics - its about people, landscapes, and cultures and how they are affected by policy that favors corporations. We explore ideas of efficiency, and how the standard definition is anything but, of consumption, and the paradoxes that arise when looking at people, food, and policy. We look at corn as a material that drives our world through corn products and how landrace corn varietals have been lost to the people that first cultivated them. We also look at the health effects of policy, both here in the US, and in Mexico. Alyshia comes with a big message: if you, like us, feel like youâre a stranger to economic policy or that you canât change it, perhaps you can and it matters now more than ever.
Find Alyshia GĂĄlvez:
Eating NAFTA: Trade, Food Policies and the Destruction of Mexico
Patient Citizens, Immigrant Mothers
X: @alyshiagalvez
Website
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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In this weekâs episode, I sit down with geologist Marcia Bjornerud to talk about her new book Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks and to explore how we can gain a sense of feeling embedded in the time and space of Earth, as earthlings. We explore the mentorship rocks have to offer us and putting the story of Earth as a dynamic planet front and center. We talk about how learning about process, not just end product, through the lens of geology, can give us a sense of empathy and story that mirrors our own inner experiences on Earth. Itâs also about the paradoxical qualities of geology, the vetoing of the term âAnthropoceneâ in the geologic community and why it matters, and what it means to look at the future through the lens of the past. This episode is about putting Earth in the foreground, not as a backdrop for our human endeavors, but as a living and active system. Marcia is excellent at being a translator for the Earth and her books and way of speaking both illuminate Earth in an intriguing and dynamic way.
Find Marcia Bjornerud:
Turning to Stone: Discovering the Subtle Wisdom of Rocks
Timefulness: How Thinking Like a Geologist Can Help Save the World
Reading the Rocks: The Autobiography of Earth
Geopedia: A Brief Compendium of Geologic Curiosities
Resources Mentioned:
In the Weeds Interview with Marcia (Part 1 and Part 2)
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Rose George is the author of four fantastic books (Nine Pints, Ninety Percent of Everything, the Big Necessity, and a Life Removed) that share a common theme: much of her work is about seeing the unseen. Itâs about those things that are ubiquitous and unnoticed, or more likely, obfuscated from us. In this episode, we focus on human waste, the shipping industry, and blood. Much of our conversation is about how we begin to see the waters we swim in, stop sanitizing our language to further obscure things, and use our awareness to create changes large and small. Itâs about breaking down taboos and letting individual stories of tragedy and triumph bring us into issues that matter. Itâs also a little bit about the shipping industry and how 90% of our goods get to us, how toilets can transform lives, and how period products can dramatically improve the lives of girls.
Find Rose George:
Nine Pints: A Journey Through the Money, Medicine, and Mysteries of Blood
Ninety Percent of Everything: Inside Shipping, the Invisible Industry That Puts Clothes on Your Back, Gas in Your Car, and Food on Your Plate
The Big Necessity: The Unmentionable World of Human Waste and Why It Matters
A Life Removed
Roseâs Subtack
On X
Resources Mentioned:
Surferâs Against Sewage
Monterrey Bay Fish Guide
Sponsored By:
REDMOND REAL SALT
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Mariele Ivy is an artist. Known for her work in making jewelry and in lapidary, she is also a ceramicist, a maker of talismans and sacraments. In this episode, Kate sits down with Mariele Ivy from Young In the Mountains to talk about what it means to be an artist and to work with things of the earth. We talk about Marieleâs dedication to her supply chain - to fair trade gold, American mined inlay stones, American mined sapphires, and recycled diamonds and we talk about how she extends that care to every aspect of her business. This episode is about earthâs processes and artistic processes both - about how we can make our inner feelings tangible. Itâs also about what distraction, inspiration, and contentment mean in the creative process, about how working with your hands can change your mind, and about those things in us that are most ancient. Mariele is a delight and youâll love her work and words both.
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comFind Mariele:
Young In the Mountains
Instagram: @younginthemountains
Resources Mentioned:
The Covenant of Water by Abraham Verghese
Eat Like a Human by Dr. Bill Schindler
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email: [email protected]
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Steven Kurutz grew up in a town of 1500 people in the mountains of Pennsylvania. It was a formative rural experience. He set pins at a local bowling alley. He frequented the town library. Itâs where he learned to love books, writing, and the characters of small town America - including the towns themselves. He puts all of that to practice in his new book âAmerican Flannel: How a Band of Entrepreneurs are Bringing the Art and Business of Making Clothes Back Home'. Steven and Kate sit down to talk about the tension between urban and rural environments. To talk about how the last 50 years of economic policy has changed small towns, fashion, and what quality means. We talk about the clothing brands American Giant and Zkano socks and what theyâre doing to bring manufacturing back to America while making beautiful and quality goods that are as economically accessible as possible and the grit and determination (and relationships) it takes to do just that.
Find Steven:
American Flannel: How A Band of Entrepreneurs are Bringing the Art and Business of Making Clothes Back Home by Steven Kurutz
X: @skurutz
NYT Work
Selected Other Pieces:
On Small Town Libraries
On Being a Pin Boy
Resources Mentioned:
American Giant
Zkano Socks
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In this episode, Kate sits down with author Ferris Jabr, whose book Becoming Earth: How Our Planet Came to Life comes out on June 25th. Ferrisâ love of other animals and plants started at an early age and that fascination has grown into an incredible career as a journalist, exploring the perspective of ecosystems, animals, and the earth itself. Beginning with his garden in Portland, Kate and Ferris span out into the garden of earth itself and the way life creates the conditions for its own existence. From the young ages of the earth and the reciprocal processes between bacteria and our atmosphere, they explore some of the salient cycles that bend chronological time and minds alike. Plankton, and their jaw-dropping role in earth, become a vehicle for talking about how Saharan Africa fertilizes the Amazon which causes rain in the midwest. They discuss how throughout earthâs timescale, complexity grows and with it, the complexity of the relationships between life and environment and earth. They also explore the human animalâs role on earth and its cycles and what it might mean to tell ourselves a new story. An excellent episode to explore complexity, cooperation, mutuality, and beauty.
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Find Ferris:
Becoming Earth: How Our Planet Came to Life
X: @ferrisjabr
Instagram: @ferrisjabr
Ferrisâ Articles
The Story of Storytelling
How Beauty is Making Scientists Rethink Evolution
Resources Mentioned:
An Immense World by Ed Yong
The Ends of the World by Peter Brannen
How to Be Animal by Melanie Challenger
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In this episode, Kate sits down with author and co-host of the Gastropod Podcast, Nicola Twilley, to talk about her new book Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves. Nicola has written an absolute page-turner exploring the massive and far-reaching impacts of refrigeration on just about every aspect of our lives, not since the dawn of agriculture has something changed our world so radically. In this episode, her and Kate explore the domestication of cold - which, very much unlike fire - is a recent phenomenon. The cold chain is new - not even 150 years old - and its impacts on our health and the environment, on biodiversity and flavor, are big. Itâs a technology that can slow time, delay death, and shift our geography. It has led to the marketing of an apple by an astronaut, the reinvention of the tomato many times over, and so much more. We talk about biodiversity loss, death, and also how we might re-imagine the cold chain in light of the global cold rush. This is an episode not to be missed and a book you wonât be able to put down!
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Find Nicola:
Frostbite: How Refrigeration Changed Our Food, Our Planet, and Ourselves (out June 25th)
Gastropod
Instagram: @nicolatwilley
X: @nicolatwilley
Connect with Kate:
Instagram
email: [email protected]
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In this episode of the Ground Work podcast, Kate sits down with author John Vaillant to begin to tease out some of the themes of his 4 incredible books, 3 works of non-fiction, and one work of fiction. At the recording, John had just been awarded as a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World. John and Kate talk about what it means to consume, how we as human animals interact with our environments and resources, and about how we reconcile the cognitive dissonance we experience born into the Petrocene age. Itâs about the multi-dimensional reckoning weâre in right now, as human and geologic time scales merge, and we are thrust into an acceleration of everything we know. A lot of this interview comes down to a sense of urgency many of us are feeling and this one fact: what happens next is not inevitable. John also shares some about his process as a writer and what it means to tell stories at this moment in time.
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Resources Mentioned:
Sailing Alone Around the Room by Billy Collins
Find John:
X: @JohnVaillant
Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World
The Golden Spruce: A True Story of Myth, Madness, and Greed
The Tiger: A True Story of Vengeance and Survival
The Jaguarâs Children: A Novel
Connect with Kate:
Instagram
email: [email protected]
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Cate Havstad-Casad is leading the revolution in supply chains that nourish communities, ecosystems, and so much more with her regenerative leather company Range Revolution. In this episode, Cate breaks down what it means to re-build and repair the hide to leather supply chain from regenerative ranches, build a regenerative business, and implore capital and funders to think regeneratively, too. We talk about natural fibers vs the petroleum based fibers weâve grown accustomed to and what it might mean to change our minds about fashion into something that is both lasting and well-made to stand the test of time and will degrade again when we give it back to the earth. Itâs about using whatâs here - taking something, like animal hides, that are being thrown away and incinerated and building a business around them. Itâs also about taking what weâve inherited and re-imagining it, knowing that weâre at a tipping point. We may not know if weâll reap what weâre sowing, but we must keep growing towards a future for our children. Itâs also about play, contentment, and friendship.
Check out Range Revolution Bags
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Find Cate:
Listen to Keep on Growing by Nicki Bluhm
Check out Range Revolution Bags
Find Range Revolution: @rangerevolution
Find Cate: @havstadhatco
Resources Mentioned:
Fibers Fund
MAD Agriculture
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HELEN CZERSKI is a physicist with a background in bubbles and experimental explosives. Her books The Blue Machine: How the Ocean Works and Storm in a Teacup: The Physics of Everyday Life are incredible explorations of looking at the processes of how things that we often donât truly see in our daily lives are deeply affecting us. In this episode, we tease at some bigger themes around how to ask questions and leverage our own curiosity, what it means to find perspective, and how we might begin as a culture to look at our participation in the interconnected web of life with a different lens. We also touch on the ocean engine and how itâs time to ask ourselves what the blue in this âblue marbleâ really means and look at it in depth. This conversation barely touches the tip of the iceberg of Helenâs work, but hopefully it will serve as a door of curiosity for you to explore her books on your own. Helen shares insights on the importance of curiosity, the humility needed to understand natural processes, and the vital role of the ocean in history, culture, geology, ecology, and the nutrient cycles of this world.
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Find Helen:
The Blue Machine: How the Ocean Works
Storm in a Teacup: The Physics of Everyday Life
Bubbles
Rare Earth Podcast/Radio Show
Instagram: @helen_czerski
X: @helenczerski
Resources Mentioned:
Wasteland by Oliver Franklin Wallis
The Curious Mr. Feynman
Cosmic Shambles
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In this episode, Kate sits down with author Jay Owens to talk about her book Dust: The Modern World in a Trillion Particles. Together, they unravel the paradoxes and challenges posed by dust - a small particle that makes a big impact throughout history. Discover how dust connects the Sahara to the Amazon, influences snowmelt, and carries historical significance, embodying both awe and horror. Dust underpins everything - it is, as Jay says, âa boundary crosser, a transgressorâ and makes itself known in ice cores, the aftermath of the atomic bomb, in the drying up of bodies of water, and the pollution from our highways. It is the mark of the modern world and our incalculable impact on it. It underlines our interconnectedness and highlights the uncertainty about what happens next. This is also a call to salvage, to look at the externalities, and embrace hope at a local level.
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Hand grown Sundries Farm Garlic is certified disease-free and grown in the volcanic soils of Idaho. With a range of soft and hard-neck varietals the unmatched flavor and big cloves are perfect for both your seed and culinary needs. Pre-order now for shipping in September. sundriesfarm.comSupport the Podcast:
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Find Jay:
Dust: The Modern World in a Trillion Particles
Instagram: @hautepop
X: @hautepop
Other Writing
Resources Mentioned:
Ways of Being by James Bridle
How Infrastructure Works by Deb Chachra
The Shepherdâs Life by James Rebanks
Also Check Out These Episodes:
Infrastructure with Deb Chachra
Water with Heather Hansman
Current Discounts for MBS listeners:
15% off Farm True ghee and body care products using code: KATEKAV1510% off Home of Wool using code KATEKAVANAUGH
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In this episode, Kate sits down with author and journalist Rachel Slade to discuss her books Making It In America: The Almost Impossible Quest to Manufacture in the USA (and How It Got That Way) and Into the Raging Sea: Thirty-Three Mariners, One Megastore, and the Sinking of El Faro. Rachelâs books are incredible explorations of humanity and she deftly weaves together complex threads. We focus on Making It In America in the episode. The book is so much about where trade, manufacturing, farming, immigration, the textile industry, unions, and the history of the hoodie itself meet. We start by exploring how manufacturing made America and touching on the complex series of events that led to the offshoring of the majority of American manufacturing after NAFTA. This episode is about grit and determination and a commitment to vision by American Roots, the hoodie company featured in the book, and what entrepreneurship means and what it might mean to manufacture in America once again. Itâs a wide-ranging conversation about history, geopolotics, economics and the externalities of focusing solely on the bottom line. Itâs about building and re-building community and networks of support and itâs about what it means for us, as humans, to make things by hand.
We also talk about;
Menâs mental health
Supply chains
Find Rachel:
Making It in America
Into the Raging Sea
Articles + Essays
Instagram: @rachelmslade
Made in USA Brands
Resources Mentioned:
Fields of Gold by Madeleine Fairbairn:
90% of Everything by Rose George
Eating Nafta
Rachel on the Julian Dorey Podcast:
Melanie Challengerâs On Extinction
Also Check Out Episodes
-Kateâs Solo on Resources
-Melanie Challenger
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In this weekâs episode Kate sits down with the lovely, the ineffable, the effervescent May Lindstrom. Together they explore themes of grace, slowness, and the intricate dance between our inner and outer worlds. May shares many of her incredible stories and laces throughout them a call to live a life full of compassion and love and a cherishing of the everyday. She invites us to think about how we connect to ourselves and to nature, about what it might mean to grow old while integrating the perspectives of ourselves when we were younger, and to follow a north star of love. Throughout is a conversation about what it means to have a body that is bodying - whether thatâs your body, a worm body, or to imagine all the other bodies that surround us. She also dives into frontloading pleasure, making a mess, and building something you really believe in. Mayâs words and wisdom shine in this episode that is really about coming home to yourself.
Find May:
May Lindstrom Skin
Instagram: @maylindstromskin
If you loved this episode:
With Caroline Nelson
With Lacey Jean
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In this episode, materials scientist and engineering professor Deb Chachra shares about infrastructure. Her book âHow Infrastructure Works: Inside the Systems that Shape Our Worldâ is a multi-layered dive into infrastructure. In this episode, Deb and Kate explore ideas of how we move resources to bodies and waste away from bodies. It is a brief exploration of the rise of globalization and our telecommunications, physical infrastructure, and roads, but it is also an exploration of how access to energy is also access to agency. In it, the concept of âawayâ is explored - whether itâs the away that we send our waste or the away from which we extract resources using human labor and the complexities of infrastructureâs harms and benefits. Itâs also a re-imagining of what the future could look like, which Deb reminds us âis not inevitableâ and how we can ask ourselves questions about our values and how we might shape the our care for people now and in the future. Infrastructure is a big and complex subject and Debâs book deftly explores it. This episode is a small peek into her work.
Find Deb:
How Infrastructure Works: Inside the Systems That Shape Our World by Deb Chachra
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Books Mentioned:
Crossings by Ben Goldfarb
Do Artifacts Have Politics? By Langdon Winner
The Power Broker by Robert Moses
Golden Gulag by Ruth Wilson Gilmore
Other Episodes of Interest:
With Ben Goldfarb
Solo on Infrastructure
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Sand. Itâs everywhere and itâs foundational to the built and digital worlds, yet we rarely see or think about it. Vince Beiserâs the World in a Grain tells the story of sand as it makes its way into the materials that make up our world: concrete, glass, silicon chips, and beyond. In this episode of the podcast, we explore some of the broader implications of sand - what it means to build worlds, how to grapple with the largesse of sandâs impact as we run out of this critical resource, and what, if anything, we can change in our relationship to sand. Itâs about infrastructure, but itâs also about our relationship to infrastructure and how often the use of more resources begets the use of⊠more resources. We dive a little into the magic of sand, not just to house and transport us, but also the creation of the lens and how sand allows us to see things really small, really far away, and also really everyday - through glasses. We also talk about time, which sand is a measurement for and also a manifestation of, with the average grain of sand created over 200 million years. This is a conversation that will change the way you see and relate to your world.
Find Vince:
World in a Grain: the Story of Sand and How It Transformed Civilization
Power Metal Newsletter
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Website
Books Mentioned:
Crossings and Eager by Ben Goldfarb
Ninety Percent of Everything with Rose George
Other Episodes of Interest:
With Ben Goldfarb
Solo on Infrastructure
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Our relationship to resources shapes the world. Our food, our clothing, our devices, our building materials and the infrastructure that underpins moving them from place to place. On this podcast, we've explored a lot around food as a resource - its impact on land and human health and some of the inputs and externalities of our food system. Now, I'd like to take a turn to explore some other resources and the ubiquitous, yet unseen, infrastructure that moves them to us and our waste products away from us. Coming episodes will be filled with this exploration and so I want to give us a little primer on why this became so interesting to me and why it matters.
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