Episodios
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Mark introduces the topic of thought leadership and connects it directly with critical thinking
He reads the Wikipedia definition and then connects it to the profession area in our flywheel
Mark says anyone who self identifies as such is not a thought leader. The market needs to determine that
Jim jumps in and brings up Jordan Peterson. He then connects back to our flywheel and the other 4 areas of life
Jim then brings up AI and the timeliness of our topic
He differentiates between âBigâ and âSmallâ AI. He suggests people will be increasingly creating small customized AIâs for different use cases
Mark expresses some doubts about AI because on the back end is a human with bias
Mark brings Jordan Peterson back up
Jim brings up Joe Rogan and the View
Mark says he thinks to be a thought leader you have to also be a critical thinker. He wonders if people are being thoughtful and unbiased in their responses or are they simply emoting?
Mark brings up Bill Maher
Jim supports that Jordan Peterson is credentialed and experience in various sciences and topics. He separates the View as a businessâŠentertainment
Mark gos a bit deeper into Peterson varied area of expertise
Jim recalls his live experience with Jordan and how diverse the audience was
Mark brings up JPâs son and daughter
He thinks JP was never intending to be rich or famous and he struggled with fame for a time
Jim brings up Joe Biden and Mark shares his opinion:). Neither has much respect for Joe
Mark suggests that perhaps all thought leaders are polarizing at some level. He goes on to add to what makes a real thought leader and Jim agrees
Mark mentions Martin Luther King and Ghandi
Jim asks Mark for examples oh thought leaders who grew fast and then bottomed out and disappeared. Mark shares a couple of examples but canât remember names
Then Jim mentions Tony Robbins and Mark shares his opinion that he thinks TR is authentic but only for a certain audience (very troubled people)
The guys explore the cult like nature of TRâs tribe and then suggest there is perhaps cult like vibes to all thought leader followers. His rugby teams, for instance
The guys joke about âself proclaimedâ thought leaders versus authentic thought leaders
Jim suggests that they all are narcissistic to some degree
Mark brings up Jimâs evolution from shy and reticent to engage to feeling lost obligated to share. Jim appreciates and expands. We have an obligation to share what we know that can help
They talk about the risk of sharing and exposing yourself to criticism
Jim reflects on his sales career and feels that everything is about persuasion
The evolution is largely based on the accumulation of expertise over time and confidence
Jim warns of the abuse of the power of persuasion
Mark chimes in with the abuses of power
He goes on to agree and then brings up celebrities and Robert DineroâŠ
Mark says real friends call bullshit on ego players like Dinero
Jim says itâs not what you say as much as what you do. Great leaders model. Like fathers
Jim tells his story about his Japanese assistant and Japanese leadership culture which promotes leadership by action and modeling
Mark brings JP back into the discussion and talks about how he walks his talk
Thought leaders do what they say
Jim tells a story about his friend who adds that people will see how people react to youâŠsomething youâll never see. Mark recalls that good friends do that tooâŠtell you how people react to you
Mark says if you have the ability to help others you are obligated to do so
Jim adds being careful about offering unsolicited advice and he says heâs pulled back
Mark talks about learning how to not conclude, but to observeâŠdiscernment
Jim shares his experience last night at a conference where he saw people who were so busy and overwhelmed that they canât focus on the moment and/or are hypersensitive and teed up
Mark brings up his inner work with SOS and spirituality. Success comes from being bright and loving insideâŠthe outside stuff comes when itâs supposed to. No need to scramble and grind
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Mark introduces episode 52 to finish off season 2!
A milestone for the guys. Trying to get the message out to more people
Todayâs topic is critical thinking. Mark says weâre lacking in critical thinking as a result of a lack of self awareness
Mark reads the definition from Wikipedia. He likes the one term âunbiasedâ
Jim jumps in with our flywheel and the 5 areas of life on it
Jim brings up Trumpâs convictions
Jim says there arenât many real critical thinkers and we donât teach that skill. He suggests that being dyslexic makes him think critical
Mark gives his dad credit for telling him to question everything and Jim calls it a gift
The guys both believe you can respect processes and rules and laws and still question everything
Mark brings up science and climate change - nothing has been decided. Science is discovery
Jim says critical thinking makes us better as people - Our goal for IMC - help people get better
Jim shares his infographic about the factors that go into critical thinking
Research
Listening
Explanation
Flexibility
Fairness
Objectivity
Evaluation
Analysis
Mark identifies the major differences between critical and non critical thinking. He says listening is perhaps the most important of them all
Jim looks for win/win outcomes. What does success look like?
Marks cites the meaning of words and how we bastardize the language and words
Mark says biases are normal but we can put them aside and remain open to learning something new
Jim likes to approach new conversations with âwhat can I learn?â
Mark says it virtually impossible to know everything about any topic, so flexibility is important
Both guys are a bit mixed on the word âfairnessâ. What does it mean and who determines whatâs fair. Mark says fairness is the journey but not the destination
Jim expresses his distaste for DEI. Mark agrees and thinks itâs going away
Both guys talk about sports in regard to DEI. Jim tells a story about a big conference he attended last week. He loved the conference but didnât like all the groups people were divided into. Why do we have to separate people into groups? Itâs the opposite of inclusive. The worst of elitism.
Mark brings up victimhood. You canât think critically if you play victim
Mark brings up Pride month and how stupid it is
Jim brings up âthe firstâ and how it should be the bestâŠthe first is unnecessary
Mark claims that critical thinking starts all the other dominoes falling. It fixes everything over time
Jim asks if Mark believes people are âObjectiveâ? He says no, but can continuously move back to objectivity. Itâs a journey
Jim quotes - To get what you want, give people what they want. You donât need to get what you want by taking from someone
Mark tells and Dennis Prager tale about marriage and arguments. He says bringing generosity to conversations is effective
Sports come up again and both guys share reflections on winning and losing and how you look at things. How you respond to them. Jim talks rugby
Mark bundles analysis, research and evaluation together. Jim separates them out
Mark says itâs fine to have an opinionâŠas long as you claim it as suchâŠnot a factâŠhow I feel
Jim says âthrow some math at itâ
Jim brings up the data/math on black men being killed by white police officers. There is no math to support it. We often decide how we feel and see out numbers to support our opinions
Mark says we need more context and less speculation. He also brings up climate change and âriver to the seaâ. Do your homework
Jim. mentions the suicide rate of men and the isolation of young men. Itâs our mission to help men talk about these difficult things
Mark challenges the audience to a debate
Jim cites the value of facts, data and math. He cites neurodiversity rates in incarcerated men
Mark says there are too many facts used that arenât actually facts
Mark says the media values being first over being right. He talks about charts and duration and timelines. Timing
They wrap with how do you remain respectful and question everything
The topic remains open
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Mark opens his intro with the guys topic of choice for today- Resistance
Jimâs traveling and is in Mexico City. He had some typical travel resistance issues and both guys ran with that and piled on
One caveat is Jimâs sound quality is diminished, but he can be heard just fine
Mark brings up the flywheel and the book Jim brought up, Steven Pressfieldâs âThe War Of Artâ
Mark says he thinks resistance is mostly good with exception of dangerous things and that mitigating risk is a goo idea before just jumping up and pushing back on any and all resistance
Marks bring in his âpauseâ approach to regain objectivity and context before jumping in
Jim jumps in and refers back to the book and expands on itâs message - âThe enemy of creativity is resistanceâ. Jim says that in his mind resistance is a sign of progress, but itâs hard to know when its progress or danger.
Jim then shares his travel story - Mexico City and the resistance from the line at the airpot to the hotel and then the Uber experienceâŠ3 different drivers and the wrong addresses. He asked himself if maybe these were signs that he should consider doing something else. He made the best of it
Mark then tells his Fringe Festival stand-up experience. It wasnât his vibe but he wanted to support his girlfriend. He shares that relationships bump up against resistance. Compromise and the â20 minute ruleâ
Jim asks Mark to talk more about âriskâ and Mark shares his experience starting his own company. He puts this in context. He brings up his âpauseâ technique and putâs in some additional context
Jim shares his opinion on pivoting in the face of resistance. Mark agrees and expands
Jim says timing is a big deal in life and how to tell if its the right time or not. Mark agrees
Jim speaks about decisions versus choices. Whatâs the difference?
Mark shares his interaction with his son about his meditation. About how he chose to react versus how he might have 10 years ago
Jim replays with his hotel noise experience and reaction. Donât let it get into your head. And once again its about how you respond. Jim turned it into a nice lunch and a few beers
Mark goes back to his stand-up experience from the day before and how he was able to turn it around with the help of his girlfriend and a 7 minute conversation - a new perspective
Both guys agree that resistance is everywhere, all the time and they talk a bit about the different types
Mark brings up the 5 key areas of life and the flywheel. Resistance is in all 5 areas
Jim say traveling is an exercise in handling your response to resistance
The guys reflect on The US versus other countries. They differ a bit about this and thatâs a bit interesting
Jim says itâs often challenging to find people to help with communication and how h appreciates people who can speak English as a second language
This leads to our current division and how thatâs created different languages within our own language
Mark shares how appreciative people are of trying to the speak the native language of the country youâre in
Then he moves into his public speaking
They wrap it up. Jimâs going to Chicago before returning home
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Mark introduces the topic of manifestation and the power of the subconscious mind. Then he brings up the wheel and attaches manifestation to health - mental health
Jim had introduced Dr James Doty having heard him on Lewis Howeâs podcast Mark reads from the show notes to give context to what the guys are about to discuss. Mark mentions the work heâs been doing and throws it to Jim
Jim mentions that heâs been reading and studying about manifestation for years. He talks about adversity and how itâs how you react to it that matters
Jim brings up the wheel and self awareness and lays out the 5 areas of life on our wheel
He references our past and then shares Dr Dotyâs past traumas and how he overcame them. Doty mentions a billionaire he met who wasnât happy in spite of his wealth. Your success doesnât necessarily make you happy
Mark brings up what the podcast is all about. A forum for men to talk about things they donât normally talk about
Mark says thereâs an interesting balance between fortitude and sharing emotions
He discusses his current program and the picture of him as a 5 year old - see that kid. You are still that kid
Mark then goes into the past and Jim runs with it. We need to figure out how to process the trauma from our past in order to move on
Jim brings up our vibrational influence on the world and others
Mark tells his yoga/vibrational bowls - energy reading
Jim gives context to the vibrations we can put out. That can be good or bad
Jim says happiness should not be the goal. It should be fulfillment. The distinction between happiness, pleasure, joy, service, etcâŠ
Mark says we misuse words like happy and crazy - what do they really mean
Jim shares another point Dr Doty spoke of. We can live in the past, present or future
The present is the goal
Jim shares his dyslexia story and how it shaped his aggressive behavior. He became self aware and has worked on it successfully
Mark shares his visualization practice and some successes that have come from it. Jim compliments Mark and gives him credit for his work and consistency
Jim goes deeper into how he uses manifestation as an inventor
He tells his patent story in the context of vibrations
Mark brings back up Jimâs past, present and future comment and gets into detail about how important processing trauma is - his anger at his ex-wife and his parents âscarcityâ vibe as Depression kids
Mark mentions our sage and saboteur The sage would see the great things that came from his divorce. He the talks about worrying about what might happen in the future and how 90% of the things he worried about never happen
Jim brings up his bitter or better concept. He sees a lot of people in pain, projecting that pain in to the world The victim mentality and the negative vibrations that creates
Jim thinks we can help shift that pain to positivity. Marl appreciates his ability to shift people in a better direction
Both guys agree that sometimes you hold people accountable to their negativity and sometimes you donât. You gotta pick your spots
Jim brings up politics and suggests that talking about it without using names. Not personalizing political discussion. Positive progress can be made. Self awareness comes into play again and questions are great tools to keep discussions civil
Questions are disarming and make people think. Add positive energy and itâs magical
Great leaders create hope for the future vibrationally
Jim asks Mark to remember what moments he was able to vibrate out positivity and change the outcome of a situation
Mark brings up some sports memories and Jim jumps in
Mark shares his Sept 11 work story - how he dismissed his staff for the day and shifted the emotion in the room
Jim shares a story about his friends loss and then his rugby national championship story. He played against doctors orders and raised the energy of his whole team leading to a victory
Mark remembers a Larry Bird and Willis Reed story. Coming back into the game injured and how energy shifted for both teams
Momentum shifts in sports and how quickly they occurâŠand then itâs game over
Mark shares his takeaways - The past vs the present vs the future and how much influence we have at our disposal if we do the work (meditation, visualization, exerciseâŠ)
Jim says itâs all a choice. Negative or positive and the energy in the room
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Mark begins with self awareness and the flywheel of life - How we respond to things now versus when we were younger
Jim shares his thoughts on the wheel and self awareness. âWe grow bitter or we grow betterâ
He say we work hard not to grow into the bitter old man
Jim shares his âonly in San Franciscoâ story. Parking meters and silly parking laws. âOnly in San Franciscoâ
Mark comments after laughing about how upside down San Francisco is right now
Jim laughs at how he responded to the crazy - over emotional
Mark gets into the laughter and jokes about San Fran being bizarro world
Mark shares his Honda driving story and how competitive he used to be
Both guys agree that conflict is more dangerous now
Mark - âI used to lose m y shit in my carâ
Mark shares his car conflict - âMerry Christmasâ
Mark talks about pausing and readdressing how he responds to other drivers now
Jim reflects again on his parking ticket story
They both laugh again at âonly in San Franciscoâ
Mark says âall this shitâs a choiceâ. You either make your choices or you give your choices awayâŠand that is also a choice
Self awareness makes you happier. You donât have control over much
Jim says being self aware allows you to calm things down. Itâs a sign of good leadership
Both guys think we are moving away from woke and back toward free speech
Mark quotes Scott Gallowayâs Ted talk and âDo you love Your Kidsâ
Jim says our future leaders need to change the narrative - Stop scaring and misleading the kids
M ark says Biden is compromised across the board
Jim says more people are liking Trump because he speaks from his heart - not scripted
Mark says the election is going to be interesting
He says we are getting distracted from root causes and distracted with propaganda
Mark says the Dems are propping up abortion because it works. And there are maybe 10 topics more important than that. Safety, economy, border, etcâŠ
Mark uses âthe river to the seaâ example. What river? What sea?
Jim had a young man change his perspective about the protests today. The young people today donât know what they are protesting and many of the protesters are paid agitators
Our young people have been scared, misled and screwed by Covid. There anger and frustration is almost justified. They got a shit sandwich
Mark says itâs still just âother thingsâ and theyâre still just choices
Jim brings up the frat boys who raised the flag and then a go-fund me to the tune of half a mil
Mark brings up pausing in response to negative emotions
Jim shares his dinner story with some Disney related folks and how Disney is aggressively moving away from woke. The biggest box offices are pro America movies
Mark says we will continue to hear things that donât make sense while Biden is still in office
Mark talks about the value of focus, objectivity and respect in having challenging conversations
You have to hold people accountable to what they say and do
Jim says capitalism fixes things. The market dictates what people will do eventually
Then he brings up Bud Light, Target and Planet Fitness as examples of wokeness backfiring
Mark says life is a meritocracy. Sports is life and itâs great for kids. Work ethic, consistency, respectâŠThese messages work everywhere
Jim mentions the San Francisco government school entity that is going bankrupt. Enrollment dropped
Different testing for different racesâŠitâs a comedy show
Florida and California are different planets. Jim says where he lives might as well be Texas or Florida
Mark says that why many laws belong down at the local level
Mark ends with self awareness, choices, how you respond to thing - you are regaining control over your happiness
Jim says if you ever go to San FranâŠremember to turn your wheels
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Mark introduces the topic in the context of self awareness, which then leads to self evaluation of, in this case, communication skills
He talks about generational differences, social media and a âlazinessâ that he sees creeping into our communication
Jim agrees and goes deeper into the generational distinction. He believes that younger people are too sensitive to words. Almost like they set booby traps for us. He feels that we are also confusing people by mixing up words and phrases. Itâs ours to help them reframe positions
Jim brings up the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and the UNC âfrat boysâ who refuse to let the American Flag be lowered
Mark shares his feedback on âthe river to the seaâ and how misguided some of these young people are
Mark shares how similar he and his girlfriend are simply because they were born during the same year. He goes on to talk about the word âOrientalâ and his experience with this âslurâ in his yoga class
Words are getting bastardized. Jim calls hem the âthought policeâ
Mark brings up Jordan Peterson. How well he listens and how effective he is with his pause before responding. He also holds people accountable to his words, not their interpretation of his words
Jim brings up the difference between being nice and being kind
Jim says there are a lot of complainers out there now. Nobody likes a complainerâŠthey tolerate them. No one will stick around complainers long term. They tolerate and move away. Complainers want to complain without consideration of a resolution
Mark brings up the strategy of using questions to disarm. I donât know, Iâm pretty sure, I feel, I think, I knowâŠthese are very different phrases⊠that mean very different things
Jim likes smart people, regardless of group affiliation. Mark adds the importance of kindness as well
Mark says try to not focus on winning or being right. Also too many people are too easily offended
Mark talks about the power and danger of groups
Jim shares a couple of stories. One about privilege. What is it and why is it important or not so much?
The second about protesting in the 60âs versus today. That todayâs protesters donât seem to know much about why theyâre protesting or what theyâre protesting. Jim says young people are mad because they got shit on (Covid, etcâŠ)
Mark says we allow too much complaining. Itâs about how you respond, to what happens to you
Jim brings the flywheel back in
Mark talks about leading conversations with questions and donât try to change minds or be ârightâ
Jimâs quotes âTo get what you want, give people what they wantâ
Begin with what success looks like
Fear drives much of our behaviorâŠTry to find out what those fears are
Be respectful
Past present and future are all factors
Be transparent and work hard to create clarity
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Mark introduces the idea of moving from where you are to where you want to be. How we are tempted to stay in our comfort zone and how our focus in men. We are attempting to help men get more comfortable with being vulnerable. He goes on to lay out the possible paths of staying âcomfortableâ versus striving for more
Jim jumps in and brings in our flywheel and the notion that most of this comes down to self awareness. Jim talks about listening to a recent podcast with Tim Ferris where he discusses his current place in life and how different it is from his younger days
Mark uses Jim as an example of someone who strives for more. You either choose to get better or you stay comfortable
Jim returns the compliment to Mark as being aspirational as well
Mark talks about never getting rid of fear, but continuing to try to overcome it. Once you move into fear, things start moving forward. He suggestâs that progress I not linear
The guys are using a graphic that shows stage of growth comfort - fear - learning -growth
They bring Tim Ferris back into the discussion and how he focuses now on quality and not quantity. People and not money
Mark brings up the Harvard Study of men and their happiness
Jim quotes Ferris âthink of projects as experimentsâ. Itâll never be perfectâŠjust put it out there
Itâs about content, not polish. Mark shares his editing approach - simple and quick
Jim shares some more about the future of podcasting and Mark shares his point of view
Mark brings up Tim Ferrisâ âTools Of Titansâ and Jim talks about how he loves to interview people
The guys disagree on the notion of defining what success looks like and then discover itâs not a disagreement, itâs a misunderstanding. After clarification - good point. Letâs agree on what success means or what words mean before we move forward
The guys go back and dig into the graphic. They are seeing it from two different vantage points and the discussion brings context. After contextualizing things the guys agree and the discussion progresses and gets interesting
Jim brings back up the previous episode and dopamine and adds that as context Dopamine hits come from fear and excitement among the things
Mark recalls their just put it outconversation they had about having nothing and having everything Jim expresses some âenvyâ about Mark uncertain future and Mark returns the favor. Both guys share their perspectives about having everything and nothing
They move in to a discussion of risk and the notion of moving from comfort to fear and purpose and the reality that life moves back and forth The value of hanging out with interesting people and developing the ability to solve problems.
Jim goes back to the graphic. Mark brings his faith and what he is supposed to give back. His purpose is being of service
The topic of goals comes up. Mark thinks of metrics and how he doesnât like specific goals. Now he sets process and consistency goals. Jim likes the word âobjectivesâ
Mark says goals are specific numbers and objectives are destinations. Interesting discussion
Mark says he thinks you have to have aspirations
Jim suggests that maybe itâs a mindset. He feels like heâs moved from what âheâ wants and what âweâ want. The guys talk about how sports and sales drove their goal driven somewhat selfish actions, which drove success, but maybe wasnât the best way to be
Mark tells the story about his most recent coach/program and his evolution around this concept - we all have a judge of ourselves, others and circumstances. The other side is your sage. Fascinating stuff
Jim brings up a few of his experiences with some other ânext levelâ guys - self awareness
Mark says he feels like he is reacting to both his stage in life and the circumstances around him He feels an obligation to help. Jim agrees. âYou have an obligation to let that outâ. He circles back to the graphic. It wonât be perfect,
Civil discourse, we need more. Jim says the podcast platform is still new and a big difference in how we communicate
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Mark starts off with the topics of personal responsibility, self accountability and pride and how they stem from self awareness
He talks about his older brotherâs background and a story he shared with him
Mark wrote an article about the story and then thought it would make a great episode
Jim liked the article and agrees that we all fuck up. Jim has his own story heâll share too
Mark reminds the audience that The Imperfect Mens Club has a newsletter on LinkedIn
Mark shares his younger brotherâs circumstances as the real root of this topic and explains why
Mark starts to tell the story
Itâs about an F-15 pilot that his brother flew with and a situation he got himself into
It involves a mission and what happened when it was coming to an end and it was time to go home
He loses track of his fuel consumption and is faced with a few choices
The guys comment back and forth speculating about what heâs thinking and his options
Mark shares his opinion on the emotion of the moment and how the pilotâs mind was working in the decision making process
Jim offers his opinion on what might have been going on in the pilots head and the reflects on how we all have these moments and how we choose to respond
Jim begins to share his story of being the guy who picked up the phone for his buddy and his divorce
Mark shares his Will Rogers quote and how we should live our lives
Markâs divorce story comes up and the guys go back and forth with compare and contrast
How we process big problems and the myriad of emotions. Shame, fear, pride, apology repercussions
Markâs dad âs life lesson âWhat do you do when an engine catches on fire?â
Mark talks about what happens when bad things confront you for the first time
The guys shift to how hard, but good it is to apologize when you really fucked up
Jim brings his friend back up - he had to apologize to his daughter
Mark says itâs hard for him to apologize
Mark relates this concept to projects in business and his experience with people not sharing mistakes until itâs âto lateâ
They go back to the pilot story and speculate on what happened to him after he landed and what could have been
Jim reminds us from the last episode about the three calls he took from three different guys struggling with the same issue
Jim then recounts a time he was struggling with depression and made a call. He gets a little emotional recalling the story
We all get punched in the nuts - when you take one of these calls you lead with empathy
Mark says we all make these calls and we all take these calls - the power of questionsâŠâWhatâs going onâ
Jim brings back up his call from his friend yesterday whoâs in this bad divorce
Jim digs into marriage and how itâs the only license that doesnât renew or expire - very interesting
Jim essentially helped his friend reframe the situation. Was it a failure or a success that came to an end?
Mark says when you admit to your mistake you gain respect
Apologizing, I fucked up, I donât know what to doâŠ
Jim says itâs also a cleansing. It flushes out and you become a better person
When you hold on to a fuck up it eats you alive
Jim says thatâs what disease is
Mark connects stress to disease
Mark reminds listeners about the IMC newsletter on LinkedIn and encourage listeners to check it out
Jim repeats the connection to LinkedIN and how LinkedIn is melding with personal and professional development
Mark agrees - this melding breeds empathetic leadership among other things - Professional you is personal you
Mark goes back and summarizes the pilot story and asks, âwhat happens when he goes home?â
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Mark introduces mindfulness as the topic and says he believes people who practice mindfulness are by nature self aware. He also suggests that most people are not self aware
Jim agrees and mentions the current mental health crisis
Jim reflects on his current state. He feels like he has a grey cloud over him
Loneliness is real
Mark talks about how divided we are. Mark says there are a lot of factors today, including Covid and the current wars going on
Mark shares how he responds to negative emotion
Jim brings up suicide - 55,000 per year - 80% are men
Mark brings up Jordan Petersons position on it being a mans world
Jim brings in dopamine - external and internal influences that impact our levels of dopamine. He cites a study that says men lose as much as 50% of their dopamine levels as they age
Jim brings up a few things that can help with dopamine
Mark mentions George Mumford and Andrew Huberman as experts in this stuff
Both guys share some ideas that they know about and or use to stay mindful and raise dopamine. Mark shares his morning routine and expands on his Wim Hof breathing routine and his meditation routine
Jim mentions that heâs reading George Mumfordâs latest book about his work with high performance athletes. He uses the term âsecond windâ
Mark brings up Wim Hofâs position that we are all capable of far more than we think
Jim shares more about Mumfordâs book
Mark reminds us of the âyou either get bitter or you can get betterâ. He says he sustains his good habits because he chooses things that he likes, donât take much time and are simple
Jim tells his story about his latest patent approval process that made him feel better for a few days
Mark shares some dopamine âhacksâ from and article Jim found - good versus bad dopamine
Mark shares his yoga experience - why he started and how it helps him
Mark goes back to the topic of loneliness. You can be lonely in the company of other people. He was very lonely during the last few years of his marriage
Jim brings up how boredom can do the same thing
Mark shares how a major reason people leave jobs is no longer learning new things
Mark feels like boredom makes him think lazy - If youâre bored just do something positive - move, walk, get some sunâŠ
Itâs helpful to consistently celebrate small wins
Developing a growth mindset - turn your failures into learning opportunities
Mark shares how helpful his current morning routine has beed to his happiness
He shares how important exercise has been for him
Mark ends with some encouragement about how many simple, free, quick tools are available if you just look
Jim ends with the importance of hydration and breathing
Mark shares his hydration protocol and ends by saying that all of this stuff is free, simple and easy to do
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Mark introduces the topic of confidence and mentions Jimâs pre-show comment about getting older and feeling less able to impact his future or the overall future of âthingsâ
Mark mentions how anxious he felt at his 60th birthday party and how he feels like his cause of that same feeling is age but also because the world is crazier now too
Jim starts by sharing his thoughts about his struggles with confidence and his ability to make an impact
He cites AI, division and media as sources of his âdark cloudâ
Mark brings up leadership and that we donât have many leaders. Jim agrees and both guys express their disappointment in our current President.
Jim brings up the LSU/Iowa national anthem issue as an example of us not going in the right direction
Jim compares leadership to parentingâŠitâs modeling
Mark says good leaders are selfless and their words and actions are the same. He says our current leaders are saying and doing different things
Then they bring back up the LSU/Iowa issue. Jim mentions the LSU head coach and asks Mark for more details. Mark say the media is stoking the racism component
Mark suggests that our kids are not confident about our future and the anxiety it creates
Mark talks about his childhood and how he doesnât remember being anxious as a kid
Jim cites the hypocrisy of one side being criticized and the other not
Mark brings up history and how this generation doesnât know history
Jim says weâre rewriting history
Mark brings up the Francis Scott Key bridge collapse
The obsession with dividing us - affects our confidence in our future
Mark asks why this is happening - control. Covid was control. The election fraud was control
What about confidence in the US dollar
Mark shifts to âwhat do we do about this?â He goes inside and brings up his faith. A higher power
Jim brings up the Easter holiday and what it means. He asks Markâs opinion from his Catholic background Mark talks about his faith
Mark feels compelled to help the people around him with their confidence
Mark talks about wisdom versus knowledge and the constitution
Jim tells two stories about calls he had last week with two younger people struggling with confidence and certainty. Completely unrelated with almost the exact same questions. âThereâs something going on in the air right nowâ. Whatâs next?
A lack of confidence in our leaders and future
The guys bring up how they coach people up with their confidence with answers and advice
Success breeds confidence
Mark talks about how he regains his own confidence
Jim says we seek out âtrustedâ leaders. He bring the Wheel up on his screen and we talk about the 5 parts of life. Todays discussion falls into the Worldview category
Jim tells his story about his coaching call from last week and how he leveraged our wheel in his coaching
Mark says the wheel helps with any kind of coaching
Weâre all in this together - everyone has issues. Itâs about smoothing the ups and downs. Hopefully going up overall
Jim mentions âalignmentâ and talks about how isolated weâve become. The world needs everybody
Mark mentions the Harvard study of men and what makes men happy. The number and depth of their friendships
The division today isolates and that makes us unhappy. The unknown is the worst. Uncertainty takes our confidence away
Jim thinks the devices (phones) have contributed to our isolation
Mark speak to how deep the division is based on your political choices
Mark shares his confidence ups and downs and how he gets it back
Jim brings up the word indifference and Markâs word is apathy. The opposite of love is not hate, Itâs apathy
Jim think young people are becoming indifferent and itâs concerning
Mark mentions having a loved one who is hopeless and heâs trying to help
Jim struggles to remember a quote about hope:)
Gift somebody hope for the future
Mark says find somebody you can help with their confidence today. You can change a life
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Mark makes the introduction and connects todayâs topic, immigration to the IMC flywheel from the self out to Worldview
He says itâs a polarizing topic and he also cite the importance of what words mean. Specifically âillegal immigrationâ
Jim says immigration pushes a lot of buttons. Jim agrees itâs connected to Worldview on our flywheel
Jim ha the perspective of having played rugby with guys from all over the world
When Jim meets first generation immigrants, he thanks them
Then Jim self reflects on his grandmotherâs family who were Swiss Italian and talks about the connection that took place who he recently went back ti visit
Mark says most of us are only a generation or two away from immigrants. Then he talks habit about his Irish background and how the Irish and Italians were treated very poorly back in the 20âs and 30âs in Boston where his dad are up. The Irish and Italians bonded in defense and over common traits like Catholicism and story telling
Mark brings up his neighbors house building project. There were 2 white guys and 15 hispanics. He didnât know who was illegal or legal. They all were polite, happy and working their asses off
Jim reflects on his dinner the night before, which prompted this discussion. A Bosnian couple who came here after flying the war, went to Spain and then came here. Very successful and patriotic. The wife is a teacher in So Cal and she has a very interesting take on the âimmigrants of todayâ and how different they are
Jim asked her opinion - She said 30 kids recently showed up without English skills or any education at all. They are unable to handle the influx. She also said the whole issue has become political
Jim says this has clearly gotten worse under the Biden administration
Mark reflects on his experience working with immigration employment lawyers. The process and cost are absurd
The Mark gives the discussion the context of how w are making decisions as a country now without any concern for mid and long term impact. We do it with immigration, green energy, climate changeâŠeverything
Mark says how unfair these policies are to our education, healthcare, law enforcement. Itâs going to break our systems
Mark brings up the hispanic young man who is on Tikiâs Tok recruiting, by telling immigrants, âcome on over, youâll get free shit standing in front of his new house and new car with his new phoneâŠrecruiting!
Jim brings back up his Bosnian couple. How grateful they are versus how entitled this new generation of immigrants
The guys agree that entitlement is a huge problem for everyone. âWhat happened to fortitudeâ
Mark says you canât force behaviors. You can have laws and rules, but you have to enforce them
Jim speaks as a Californian - âthese kids are revenue devicesâ
Jim talks about the school system - you canât discipline these kids anymore so the behavior gets out of hand but the government wants the revenue so they canât kick em out
The teachers are quitting. Everythingâs OK and no-one gets punished
Jim brings up the Teacher union and how feckless they are
Both guys want the old way back - let the kids fight it out
The guys bring up the crime issue.
They both agree that a simple process should in place to screen and track. How is this going to impact the election?
Mark says the politicians are doing what they always do - obfuscation and bullshit
Mark addresses the executive order that Trump signed and Biden overwrote it day one. Then he talks about how bills work Stuffing other things in a bill and calling it an immigration bill
The guys have a good laugh about Don Lemon and the media - disingenuous
The media is a huge part of the problem and our âleadersâ are doing nothing
The guys share positive immigrant stories
Mark shares his brothers Iranian friend who are in love with America and are both successful doctors and very grateful. They didnât understand how we donât understand the problems we are encouraging
Jim shares a couple of stories. One about a Scottish rugby teammate who is now the number 2 executive at the largest grocer in the country now - great story - âIâm the American dreamâ
He also shares the story of how he met the lady who cleans his house 20 years ago - another great story!
We donât hear these stories anymore in the mainstreamâŠinteresting
Jim finishes with a third story about a family from the Vietnam war era - another great tale
Mark finishes with the point that this topic needs civil discourse. We need plans and accountability
These are not compassionate ways, they are dangerous
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Mark brings up the topic - stoicism as a leadership guide . He reads the definition
Virtue - wisdom, courage, moderation and justice
Mark references the article and video series heâs created around stoicism and leadership
Jim shares his thoughts - He brings up his fatherâs deathâŠand life. Notes to himself that were stoic
He shares how he reflects on some of his dadâs notes and shares some
Life is how you react to things. We have very little control over much
Mark identifies stoicism versus victimhood
Jim feels true stoics donât talk about being stoic. He begins to address the similarity of religion
Mark mentions Seneca and Marcus Aurelius
Self reflection and leadership
Mark starts to deliver his 10 stoic leadership traits
Jim mentions Ryan Holiday and Mark mentions Tim Ferris
1. Focus on what you can controlâŠalmost nothing. How I react - How I listen - What I do
How you respond to things - this also decreases worry and stress that comes from worry
2. Learning as a lifelong journey. This makes you interesting, creates authority and credibility
Mark brings up Bill Clinton and Jim shares his Clinton story.
Jim brings up unlearning and how important it is to drop certain beliefs
3. Self accountability - How it fits in so closely with the foundation of the club. Itâs not sustainable to be around victims. Mark shares his recruiter perspective about peopleâs stories - are they blaming or taking responsibility
4. How important failure is. Mark mentions the fear, risk, failure, experience, wisdom cycle. Jim mentions his Silicon Valley environment and failure and then talks about his fear during his rugby days. Both guys get deeper into risk and appreciate the difference between knowledge and wisdom
5. Integrity appears in your actions when no one is looking. Actions versus words
Jim cites the difference between integrity and morality Integrity os doing what you say youâre going to doâŠeven if itâs bad
6. Mindfulness is paying attention with intention. Jim asks Mark for a definition of mindfulness. Being present and respectful. Mark reflects on their partnership with respect to respect and mindfulness. Both guys reflect on their individual mindfulness. Mark shares his Henry Ford dinner story. Both guys smile about making people smile
7. Forgiveness for others and yourself. Jim brings it back to the wheel. Mark shares his daily spiritual practice and how he beats himself up. Jim shares his self doubt story
8. Discipline comes incrementally with consistency. Mark talks about his inner conflict with self doubt around discipline. Show up every day. Jim mentions how close addiction is to self discipline - he shares his social media âaddictionâ. Like sugar to the brain. Moderation is a form of discipline. Media also can make you stupid - propaganda
9. Courage is not the absence of fear. Itâs moving forward in spite of the fear. Most people are fearful. Some do things anyway. Motivation comes from doing the right thing and can be acting in service of others. Mark mentions the video he saw about an alligator attack
10. Empathy is treating people how THEY want to be treated. Empathy versus sympathy. How do you want to be led? Treated? Jim says you need to work on being empathetic. Hardship creates empathy
Mark brings up his dadâs Catholic belief and how he is also a stoic. Religion and stoicism are not mutually exclusive. They exist well together and apart
Jimâs shares his recent interaction with a recent football graduate. The last bell - The last whistle. âYouâre not referableâ. I need to get to know you. The kid didnât follow-up. Didnât show up
Mark reflects on Jimâs story and compliments him on his wisdom. 3 strikes and youâre out
Jimâs quote. âWhen you want to help people, you tell them the truth, When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hearâ. - Thomas Sowell
Weâre not being truthful enough
Mark wraps up encouraging listeners to investigate stoicism
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Mark introduces the concept of unconscious bias and frames it in the context of the IMC flywheel of life and the 5 areas of life
The topic came up as a result of conversations Jim had recently with a couple of friends over dinner and drinks, both attorneys
Jim suggests we all have a âteamâ whose membership creates some our unconscious biases
Mark immediately thought about what his unconscious biases are and proposes that our language is being bastardized. How important it is to define words before talking about them. Words mean different things to different people
Jim and his friends spoke of the need for 3 things
Free education
Free healthcare
Changes to corporate greed
Jim cites the CEO of PG&E getting a 40 million dollar bonus while utility rates in CA skyrocket. The politicians are in the pocket of the large institutions - collusion
Mark agrees theoretically but disagrees about how to get there. Jim presses Mark and challenges his logic
Mark reframes his position and moves into educationâŠa space he knows well
Mark agrees that education is fucked up. Way to expensive and bad curriculum. He speaks about how big college endowments are.
Why is this happening and how did it happen
Mark suggests the problem is with the family and a move away from faith. Academia is a mess
Jim talks about the governmentâs responsibility to make America safe and theyâre dropping the ball
Mark brings up the minimum wage movement
Jim talks about the lack of corporate support with regard to benefits and taxes
Mark talks about this concept with his companies
Jim brings up monopolies
Mark shares George Carlinâs routines and corporate greed. Mark asks âhow did this happen and why did this happen?
Mark brings up Big Pharma and the hoax that is drugs for symptoms
Mark brings up victimhood
Jim brings up DEI and meritocracy
Mark jumps on DEI and then reads the definition of meritocracy
Mark references his daily prayer and the notion of holding people accountable with compassion
Ability and talent are the path to performance and achievement. But without performance, rewards canât exist
Mark talks about group think and division
Jim asks if the division is what sells. Politicians looking for votes and advertisers for money
Mark says human beings like watching tragedy
Mark quotes Denzel Washington - they donât throw 7 year olds in jail - if it gets to âthe systemâ itâs too lateâ. Itâs the family, the father
Mark asks if he has an unconscious bias against black people. Suggest no and why
He describes what a racists is to him
Mark talks about his two experiences where the police drew their guns on him
Jim laughs about his three times in handcuffs. âThey had the right guy all three timesâ
Jim says unconscious bias is a necessary survival tool
He goes on about crime in CA and itâs because of zero accountability
Mark talks about the far left and right fringes
Jim says common courtesy cuts across all groups
Both guys suggest the cities with problems have brought the problems on themselves by who they keep voting for
Mark brings up the girl recently killed in GA by an illegal immigrant
Then he talks about Riley Gaines story
Jim says this behavior is hurting womenâŠsetting them back
Mark talks about the waste in the healthcare space and the administrative burden
Jim laughs about how healthcare and utility companies can afford to put their names on stadiums
Mark ends with a suggestion - We all should ask ourselves what our unconscious biases might be before we speak, write or present to the world
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Mark starts out with the wheel and announces we will have a guest on today - Jeff Otis
He addresses the flywheel and suggests todayâs âself-â focus will be on self awareness and self confidence as it pertains to leadership
Mark tosses it to Jim and Jim talks about how we all met
Jim welcomes Jeff and Jeff says hello
Jim takes Jeff around the wheel and starts with worldview
Jeff tells us where heâs from - Beaverton ORâŠitâs also where he still lives
His community was tight and there were great communities and leaders
Jeff played baseball all the way thru college
As far as politics, Jeff is an independent and looks for what is practical and makes sense
Jeff started looking into what makes up a great leaders. He shares some insight about Oregon
He talks about the men in his life and sports and then he tells us about moving into work in staffing which was dominated by women. He has three daughters
Jeff talks about how important it is to pause and reflect on who youâre speaking to before speaking
Jim asks Jeff about his male role models and starts with his dadâŠand little league
Then Jeff names off the coaches who helped shape him. He was on 21 different championship teams!
His high school had 13 guys who went D1 or pro!
Jim shares his high school football success and speaks of the âwinning cultureâ
Jeff reflects on being a pitcher and Jim folks about how pitchers are a bit off:)
Jim m loves on to health - Jeff shares how important mental toughness and resilient are so important
Jeff shares agin how important pausing and reflecting are
Next is money - Jeff reflects on money. âMonet kind of finds you when you need itâ
Jim quotes âWhen I stopped chasing money and women, they started chasing meâ
Jim brings Mark back into the discussion. Mark talks a bit about the work we are now doing together
Mark asks Jeff to speak further about his program that is now âourâ program
Jeff discusses how we met and started to collaborate
Jim jumps in and asks Jeff about his professional journey. Jeff went in to staffing (just like Mark!)
He gets into detail about his 15 year career in staffing and his subsequent growth into the leadership space. He found that people went down 2 available forks Victim or transformation
He noticed that people needed help when they hit the wall. He went into digital marketing, his kids started to reach young adulthood, the internet became mainstream and smartphones came out
He felt compelled to help people craft their successful future selves
Jeff shares how the Project OTY evolved from this discovery and how he began to have success with young people
Jim asks Markâs opinion - Marks talks about his kids and helping them find work and how he evolved into coaching. No one gave themselves permission to dream. Many had no purpose. Enter Jeff
Whatâs your unique strength, whatâs your vision and how do you define success - most people seemed to struggle with all three
Jeff begins talking about how we all fit together. He describes his Project OTY âBuild Your Roadmapâ Program
He calls it developing that âNorth Starâ
Jim offers up another quote - Momentum. âIf youâre on a bike and you freeze, you fall downâ. He shares a quick story about his daughterâs flight to Japan and how it will âoff courseâ 99% of the time. Jeff - itâs like a guided missile
Jeff says most people want to help but many donât know how - Thatâs what Jeffâs program helps with
His program takes the what and why and adds the how through his critical thinking journey
You canât take anybody where they want to go until you help them define where they want to go, building structure and confidence
Mark pipes in with more insight about what the audience might get from the partnership and then moves into their current working plan. The program establishes a foundation, a working document for life.
Jeff - we live in a world of distractions and everyone needs a plan to get them back on track
Jim bring in the 5 Wâs - Who, what, when, where and why. He quotes Thomas Sowell âWhen you want to help people, you tell them the truth, when you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hearâ
Jim cites the value of a coachâŠan objective third party
Jeff talks about accountability and how important it is
Mark end with how optimistic he is about the future
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Mark starts with the IMC flywheel of life
Todays topic is self respect or self dignity and how it impacts relationships
Mark says it was at the core of his divorce
âIf you donât stand for something, youâll fall for anything
He shares his thoughts about the mask mandates
Jim asks Mark to read the definitions of self-respect and self-dignity
Jim brings the wheel back in, shares the 5 categories and he lands on Relationships
Mark reflects back on his upbringing and his familyâs evolution
He cites his sisterâs disrespectful posture and then he shares his disagreement with his daughter about BLM
Jim applauds Markâs ability to maintain his self-respect
Jim talks a bit about his dadâs ability to demand/maintain his self respect
Both guys suggested men are being challenged in this area all the time
Jim says when a leader caves, he canât get that back
The guys bring childhood fighting and sports into the discussion
Then mark shares his experience with employees who give up their dignity at work
Mark tells his self respect story from 25 years ago
Jim reflects on Marks story with praise and cites his self-control too
Jim thinks the self respect issue is very different between men and woman
He shares his views on his dealings with women
Mark talks about relationships and how different they can be
Jim says âmanage the crazyâ and the guys have fun with it. He says weâre all âcrazyâ
Both guys think masculinity and femininity are being challenged and the roles are blurred
Man needs woman and woman needs man
Mark talks about his current relationship and how the roles have developed. He attributes their success to the level of dignity they both encourage each other to maintain
Jim brings crazy back up and how triggering it is - they get a few laughs
Jim talks about his wifeâs reaction to âcrazyâ
Mark says people give up their dignity too easily. How you say things is important
Jim brings up cancel culture and how bad that is
Mark thinks the current people in power are asking us to give up our self respect
Jim brings up the shift in schools around bullying and how teachers canât discipline anymore
Mark shares a junior high school fight storyâŠJim has one of his own too
Mark thinks young men are being weakened
Jim tells his story about misbehaving in class when he was young - one of the best lessons he ever received
Mark says even if you donât feel it right away, giving up your self respect eats away at your soul
He also says that anyone who would intentionally try to take anotherâs self respect away is evil
Jim shares his experience with a manipulative leader who cut down students in a group he was in
Jim brings up the military and their psychological training
Mark brings up the difference - sacrificing their lives - requires a different set of rules
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Mark begins with the wheel and the concept of authenticity. You begin in the center with self and itâs fascinating how you can then connect it to all 5 areas of life
Mark tells how the topic came up in a LinkedIn connection earlier in the day
Both guys agree that bragging online about material possessions doesnât work anymoreâŠmaybe it never did
Mark talks about how authenticity is dominating his life lately
Jim shares his viewpoint and brings AI into the conversation and how AI could potentially bring a lot of inauthentic information into the world. He expands on how we donât really trust institutions anymore. Advertisers, brands, etc
He says you canât fake authenticityâŠyouâll eventually be found out
Mark reflects on his evolution from how he communicated as a young man and how he has discovered his authenticity and feels much braver in his content creation. Authenticity has become his goal
Jim is reminded of why we named our podcast the Imperfect Mens Club
Jim suggests that authenticity is more challenging when you are younger
He talks about shedding the people who donât serve you
Mark suggests that being authentic is risky, but itâs OK to lose people who donât serve you
The guys bring up worldview and Mark say our âleadersâ are in authentic and it has invaded most institutions
Jim bring up his mom and how she feels that itâs noisier now then ever. People in positions of power and influence can no longer be trusted
Jim calls them paid actors
Mark talks about the left going back into peopleâs personal accounts to find dirt
He also acknowledges that people evolve and change
They bring up Joe Rogan and Bill Maher and Jim mentions Jon Stewart
Mark says he does not demonize people, but the left does
Jim brings up Biden and how sad he is. Also all the people that defend his sanity - inauthentic
Both guys suggest that the far left develops narratives based on rumors and lies
They have fun with how inauthentic Kamal Harris is
Gavin Newsome rounds out politics and inauthenticity
Mark shifts the conversation to the topic of health, both physically and mentally
Jim reenforces the notion of âyour best selfâ and the importance of having an authentic story - your origin story. Heâs more comfortable now sharing his flaws and challenges
Mark gives Jim credit for his evolution of authenticity
Mark talks about some of his challenges
Jim brings up his revelation about Markâs divorce story
You can get bitter or you can get better
The guys discuss transparency and the idea of doing what you say you are going to do
Mark gives his example of looking for people who do and say the same things
Jim ends with the importance of surrounding yourself with authentic people
Mark cites his more recent success on LinkedIn and how more people following him who are also trying to be authentic.
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Mark starts with a summary of the clubs philosophy and the flywheel and the 5 areas of life
He mentions his own recent battle with self doubt and can relate to middle aged men who get much of their self worth from their careers, and what happens when they are faced with a career change
Jim reiterates what we use as our foundational structure and goes into the topic of today - self doubt
Jim talks about the connection between self doubt and self worth
Mark reads a definition of self doubt from a Google search
Mark shares his most recent challenge with self doubt. He first mentions how he leaned on colleagues and friends for support
Mark shares the detail of his âbig dealâ and how self doubt crept in
He shares how grateful he was to have tools and resources to lean of to overcome his fears
Jim, as usual, wants to break it down
He proposes that Mark might have been in a protective mode and Mark agrees
He goes on to suggest that he probably had some subconscious drivers that he couldnât even understand. He also shares how much of how we react is based on being in survival mode
Mark mentions his divorce and Jim says even though that was âa long time agoâ it is likely still lingering and impacting his confidence
Jim share a quote - âA bad day for the ego is a good day for the soulâ
Mark agrees and suggests that his self worth was at stake
Markâs deal went through and he shares how cathartic the win was
He also shares his gratitude and Jim appreciates it and Mark says we donât do anything good by ourselves
Jim observes how much work Mark did and how he took some chances. Mark relates his recruiting work to this deal and how little context he had with this project. While doing his work he got no feedback until it was go time
Jim brings up Markâs other situation that he shut down, which opened this âother doorâ
Mark shares his experience with how difficult it was for him to get out of an emotionally draining situation and how it may have opened this new door because it freed up space, time and energy
You have to shed that which does not serve you
Jim shares the analogy of running with ankle weights and how it felt when you took the weights off
Mark appreciates Jimâs help and how valuable it is to have a coach and how men feel they should go it alone and how people actually are flattered when you ask for help
Self doubt leads to lower self worth and that can lead to depression and even suicide
The guys share some suicide stats
Mark says he feels like we are living in the most confusing uncertain times in his whole life
Jim brings up the notion of having a âsecond actâ in life when your primary career comes to an end
Mark brings in the context of worldview and how much noise there is in the world. He shares his gratitude for having tools available to him to overcome self doubt and fear
Jim explains the reason for starting the club - a place to go for men to share and support each other
Mark explains the difference between safe spaces and this safe space
Jim talks about how we speak with ourselves so critically and how the media makes all this worse
Mark agrees about how much media and politicians mislead and scare to divide
Jim brings up the discovery around electric cars and the guys add in the solar, wind and climate change hoaxes
Mark talks about how he moves from âI donât knowâ to either knowing or dismissing an issue
They wrap up with how important contribution is and Mark ends with how self awareness was triggered and then how he reacted to get better and not bitter
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Mark starts reflecting on how we both had recent communications with 30 year olds and how different they operate and communicate than we do. Generational differences
Jim laughs about his encounterâŠâreturn your fucking phone callsâŠI donât understand it Markâ
Mark frames the technology aspect of communication. We had none of the technologyâŠno cell phones, social media, etc..
Jim shares his opinion about how younger people feel we speak too much and they prefer to text
He also believes everyone is trying to avoid conversation and we miss so much when we donât talk
He predicts that intimate conversation. Will be in much higher demand as technology discourages it (AI)
Mark shares the importance of context and immediate feedback (physical, energy, body language)
He connects the increase in anxiety and depression in younger people to this disconnection
Mark believes heâll be more self aware of these generational differences
Jim brings his mind map into the discussion and breakdown generational differences
Mark has a current client that consists of people in their late 20âs and 30âs
Jim gets specific about Generation Y characteristics and seminal events (housing crash and Sept 11th). Student debt for 43% of this age group
Mark suggests that every generation has had itâs challenges and that victimhood has become a norm
Jim goes into detail about Generational details
The guys talk about the stark differences between being kid in Florida versus California
They go into detail about the impact of COVID on young people
Wars, open borders and other conflicts
Mark asks Jim if he felt anxious as a kid - not really - we were outdoors
They joke about âplaydatesâ and walking/not walking to school
Mark talks about speaking differently to different generations
Jim says he was more mad at himself for tolerating the behavior of the younger person than the bad behavior
How do you speak accurately without being a dick
Jim cites the difference between âniceâ and âkindâ - the value of candor
Mark cites evil people who are fake nice and fake compassionate
Can you be too candid?
Itâs better to be feared than liked - Mark uses the word respected
They dig into the fear concept
Mark talks about guilt as an accountability tool
Jim talks about football coaches
Mark says he feared his dad - letting him down and/or being held accountable
The guys refer back to their previous guest who claimed to no longer seek his fathers approval
Jim talks about his dad passing
Mark talks about his dadâs generation - 95 years old - His daughter videoed him for 12 hours over 3 years
Jim reminds us how we are the product of our 4 grandparents
They talk about becoming different people over time
Jim talks about his Rugby days and how he struggled to not bring that intense personality home as a dad and husband
They both talked about being intimidating
Jim shares feedback from the high school football coaches he talks to that most young men donât seem to want to lead
Mark talks about leadership and responsibilityâŠand being the jury foreman
Markâs take on being responsible for other peopleâs lives
Both guys talk about not needing to be the leader anymore and Mark says there are 3 types of people
Jim ends with what he likes about the younger generations
Mark shares his concern about the younger generations - anxiety and confusion
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For the first time the guys have a guest !
Carl Lane is a childhood friend of Jimâs. They co-captained their high school football team, met at 14 years old and remain great friends today. Carl went on to play college football at Oregon State and has had great success as an entrepreneur and logistics expert
Itâs a great interview and we all had fun
Mark begins with the flywheel foundation
Jim introduces Carl, who also is a listener and fan of the podcast
Carl talks about what heâs doing professionally
Carl trained top performing athletes for 6 years
Jim asks Carl about his views on health and Carl talks about his struggle with depression after retiring from sports. He shares his desire to lead a healthy life forever - hot yoga and running
Jim asks Carl to talk about his health scare - testicular issues and how he overcame it
Jim opens up a discussion about relationships. Carl shares his views on relationships and begins with his daughter. The he cites how important his mom and grandma were in his upbringing
He says he no longer seeks approval from his dad
Jim asks Mark about his daughters and being mom and dad and how important our daughters are
Next up is money - abundant or scarce and how money drives behavior
Carl talks about how we change as we grow - heâs no longer a slave to money
He talks a bit about having no excuses
Jim moves into worldview and the impact of childhood - who raised us and how they raised us
Carl shares stories about his grandparents and parents and brings in his professional athletic connections - uncle, cousin and son
Jim and Carl share how and when they met and how their friendship grew. How important football was in both their lives. Both guys cite how different coaches influenced their success
Jim and Carl continue to develop the story of their friendship and family growing
Mark cites how we all have the same challenges as middle aged men
Carl wants to be a cheerleader for the IMC
Jim - âwhat the world needs now more than anything is wisdomâ
Jim tells his story about hitting Carl in practice and how the coach lost his shit - Jim had to run laps
Carl shares his story about the first time he went to Jimâs house and the other perspective having been friends with Huey Newtonâs son
He states how focusing on what we have in common we can accomplish great things
Carl shares his experience first meeting Jimâs mom and dad
Jim brings the group into CEI and it gets interesting
Each of the guys have different opinions because they have different childhoods and upbringings
Carl talks a bit more about his football experience and how important performance and merit are
Jim brings up spirituality and Carl shares his journey and how different it is today from how he was raised
He felt nobody could answer him when he didnât see any black people in the Last SupperââI couldnât ask about thatâ
Jim switches to politics and Carl shares how he was thinking in preparation for this interview. His sides are right and wrong. He doesnât pick a side. He waits and listens. Heâs interested in the community and shares some of his service to his various communities
Carl and Jim are in agreement that K-12 is socialism and then they get released into capitalism
Carl reflects on watching Jim develop his craft and his dyslexia and then Carl brings up his stuttering problem. Are these disadvantages or simple last whistleâly obstacles to over come. Itâs a choice
Jim brings up âThe last bell and the last whistleâ
Carl brings up his recent work with one of the largest high schools in Charlotte
Carl ends with how he really wants to be a part of this club
Mark shares about how important it is to disagree, get along and continue to explore
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Mark frames the episode about DEI
Self - Worldview - Politics - Conservative - DEI
Mark reads the definition of DEI
Jim gives his take on Worldview and shares his addiction to YouTube videos
Mark reads the definition of equity and says that life is not fair
Jim says âwho gets to decide what is fairâŠthought police
Jim says weâve been compromised and itâs a plan to divide us into groups
The only way to ruin a country is from the inside
Jim talks about the 2020 election in the context of George Floyd and BLM and the propaganda around it
Jim shares thoughts from some cop friends about standing down from crimes
Mark talks about propaganda and how it works
Mark says sports and companies donât function equitability
He shares some of his upbringing
Jim cites his referent to George Floyd and groupthink
Jim talks about how he grew up in a very diverse neighborhood and never saw color as an issue
Markâs town was all white and his perspective is quite different
He talks about human nature and root cause - the home and the schools
Jim shares some frustration with DEI
Mark goes back to sports and how the liberal manipulates the numbers/ratio
Mark asks what he thinks the end game
The guys tease each other a bit about groupthink
Jim tells a story about his big sisters article about MLK and how disappointed he would be today
Mark states when you divide you can control
Mark reflects on diversity of thought
Jim tells a story about a sportscaster friend and how sports brings people together
Mark tells a Chicago basketball story
Then he tells his aviation story about DEI and how the damage DEI causes is incremental
How DEI will eventually collapse because it doesnât work
Jim asks Mark if there is any benefit to DEI?
Everyone has been discriminated against and that the market will fix any imbalance
The guys ask if any progress has been made since civil rights
Jim tells his tory about presidential museums - LBJâs in particular - LBJâs discussions with MLK recordings and the Malcom X recording - âDonât trust the foxy white liberalsâ - 1965
Mark ends with Frederick Douglas - âLeave us aloneâ
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