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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we continue speaking on the topic of predetermined change control plans. Potential scenarios for their use are discussed, examples are provided, and role of PCCPs for manufacturing processes are explored. If you haven’t yet listened to Part 1, click here to do so. Specifically, the following questions are addressed in part 2:
You have submitted a PCCP with a previous regulatory submission, but you have not yet made the actual, real-world change to the device. Can that PCCP submission, assuming it was approved, be used as a predicate for a 510k submission?For what types of devices should I consider a PCCP?Can you provide a few examples of PCCPs?Can PCCPs be used for manufacturing?Since the use of a PCCP is relatively new, can you think of what questions could potentially arise? What questions might we not have just yet?Anything else you’d like to say about the use of a PCCP we haven’t covered?What are the important takeaways?
After both parts, do you have a better understanding of PCCPs? If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we examine the FDA’s recent guidance documents regarding predetermined change control plans (PCCP). The first guidance addresses PCCPs for artificial intelligence (AI) and/or machine learning (ML) based devices (click here to hear an earlier podcast on this topic). The more recent guidance expands the scope to any medical device, whether it has AI/ML or not. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
What is a predetermined change control plan and why is it important?FDA published two guidances on PCCPs (one last year in April and one just this past August). These two guidances sound similar (maybe substantially equivalent), so what’s the difference?What’s the difference between a PCCP for a SaMD with ML or AI different from a PCCP for a non-SaMD device, like a catheter or stent?Are there any limits on changes in a PCCP?How and when do I submit a PCCP?What are the advantages of submitting a PCCP?Are there any disadvantages of submitting a PCCP?
Listen to part 2 of this discussion and then see if you have a better understanding of PCCPs. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re focusing in on a regulatory piece that’s been mentioned numerous times with regard to other topics we’ve discussed. This episode is focused on CAPA or corrective and preventive action. We’re digging into the CAPA, what it is, its purpose, and how to best implement it. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Could you please briefly highlight the reasons FDA issues 483 observations and warning letters?What is a CAPA and when should it be used?What are the most common reasons for 483s and warning letters involving a CAPA?How do you know if your CAPA is doing what it’s supposed to do?Is industry taking the wrong approach with a CAPA? Is there a better way we could be looking at this issue?How are CAPAs related to other aspects of the QMS, such as risk, post-market surveillance, or complaint handling?Do you have examples that might help illustrate what we’ve discussed?What else is important and/or what are the most important takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see if you have a better understanding of CAPAs. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re discussing what the process should be for a company once they receive a 483 or warning letter from the FDA. Best practices, first steps to take, who is responsible, and potential strategies for avoiding them are shared. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Could you please explain what a 483 is and what a warning letter is? Are they the same thing?What are some common reasons or examples of why a company would get a 483 or warning letter?What are the first steps for a company that has just received a warning letter or 483?Who is responsible for the response to a 483 or warning letter? Does this fall to regulatory? Quality? Who really should be responsible for addressing it?Is it common for a company to get a warning letter or 483 for the same issue? If that happens, what then should the company do?What’s worse than a 483 or warning letter? Is there a higher level that really causes a concern for the company involved?What should be considered in terms of the PR hit as a result of a 483 or warning letter?Do you have suggestions with regard to preventing a 483 or warning letter?Anything more a company should consider and after that, please share what you consider to be the most important takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see if you have a better handle on what to do if you get a 483 or warning letter. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re revisiting real-world evidence (RWE), which is a topic that’s been getting some attention. So today, we’re going to look at what’s driving that attention and discuss the reasons behind it. We’ll also talk about how the FDA is seeking to use real-world evidence. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
We’ve discussed real-world evidence previously, in podcasts from 2017 and 2020, but what’s the cause for us to do so today?Without requiring people to go back and relisten to those previous podcasts—not that I’d object—can you please briefly explain what real-world evidence is? Could you also mention how it compares and contrasts with real-world data?How does real-world evidence compare to what’s deemed the gold standard—randomized clinical trials?Do you have any examples of how real-world evidence has been used in regulatory submissions?FDA has a new draft guidance around real-world evidence. What’s actually new in this?In your estimation, what are the limitations of the new guidance? Is it falling short of what its goal should be or is supposed to be?Does the real-world data or evidence need to come from use within the U.S.?In discussing the possibility of doing this topic, you mentioned manufacturers may be missing a real opportunity with real-world evidence. What do you mean by that?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see what you think of the use of real-world evidence. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re taking a look at several devices that unfortunately ended up being quite dangerous even though they made it to the market and were used by healthcare professionals. Some of these may have been brought up previously the Netflix documentary, The Bleeding Edge, was discussed but others are new. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
First Mike, can you provide a definition of what a dangerous device is?As I mentioned in the introduction, we previously discussed the 2018 documentary The Bleeding Edge, which featured some dangerous devices. How far back do dangerous devices go though? Are these a relatively newer problem?Another publisher’s website featured a slideshow of four dangerous devices. But do you have any sort of idea of how many others there may have been?With all the regulations in place, regulatory professionals that work in this industry, and FDA oversight, how do any “dangerous devices” make it to the market?Should we be adding regulations to address these devices so they don’t happen again?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see what you think of the system we have to attempt to prevent these types of devices from getting to market. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re reviewing a few stories in the news that tie into the safety of medical devices. First, a story regarding plastic syringes made in China that were deemed not to be used by the FDA. The other story is about a report indicating third-party testing lab data may be unreliable and, in some cases, falsified. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Can you give some additional insights into each of these news items and explain how they are connected?Given the medtech universe and all the different types of devices it encompasses, a syringe seems somewhat low on the list of advanced devices. What can we learn from this device?If a basic device like a syringe cracks or doesn’t function properly, how realistic is it that the issue is reported to the manufacturer or FDA?If my device includes a syringe but it’s not manufactured by one of the companies that received a warning letter (or maybe it’s not even made in China), do I have anything to worry about?Do you have an example to help illustrate this?Looking beyond syringes, obviously virtually all device manufacturers rely on testing data. If the FDA is warning makers about third-party labs providing fabricated, duplicated, or otherwise unreliable data, what should companies do who use third-party testing labs?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see what you think of these concerns regarding device safety. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re looking at the latest annual list put out by ECRI, an independent authority on healthcare technology and safety, on their top 10 health technology hazards for 2024. The full list is available at the organization’s website, which is at www.ecri.org. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
What is ECRI and what is the purpose of this list?Number one on the list is medical devices for the home. Specifically, they indicate medical devices may pose usability challenges for home users, risking misuse and patient harm. Can you please explain why this would be number one on the list? What’s the issue with usability?The second item on the list involves inadequate or onerous device cleaning instructions. So this isn’t really about cleaning protocols, but rather the instructions that indicate how the device should be cleaned. What’s the concern here?The fourth item is regarding the sustainability trend. Specifically, ECRI states this one as overlooked environmental impacts of patient care endanger public health. This is more of a product design issue, correct?Another hot topic item, number five calls out insufficient governance of AI used in medical technologies risks inappropriate care decisions. Is this indicating we should avoid relying too heavily on decisions indicated by AI and ensure clinician overview of findings?Still another hot button, cybersecurity issues ranks at number six on the list. Specifically, it is listed as ransomware targeting the healthcare sector remains a critical threat. This ties in directly to the significant efforts being put forth to ensure connected devices have a cybersecurity plan in place, correct?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see what you think of these items on the list or what was missed and should have been on the list. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we’re looking at IRBs, or institutional review boards. We’re taking a look at what these are, how they relate to medical device approvals, and why they are important. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Could you please explain what an IRB or institutional review board is?If I’m a device maker and am looking to conduct a clinical trial for one of my devices, do I need IRB approval?Are there situations in which I would not need an IRB approval prior to a clinical trial?Do you have suggestions on selecting an IRB? What I would want to look for and perhaps what I’d want to avoid?What information do I need to provide to the IRB for its review?What kind of timeline should I expect with the IRB review process?Do I have any recourse if the IRB review comes back not in my favor?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see if you’ve gained insight for your next interaction with an IRB. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we examine the journey that’s occurred with regard to getting reimbursement tied to the FDA’s Breakthrough Designation Program (BDP). It’s been planned, called off by CMS, put into proposed legislation, but we still don’t have a definitive solution. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Can you please explain what the Breakthrough Device Designation program is?When did the reimbursement component come into play with regard to the BDP?Why is it important for a BDP device to have reimbursement tied to it upon regulatory approval/clearance?What concerns did CMS have regarding the reimbursement portion of the BDP?This year, we’ve seen proposed legislation from Congress to force CMS to pay for devices that gain the BDP designation. What’s going on with these?Does the ridiculously low number of devices associated with the TCET demonstrate an underlying problem with all of this?What about the proposed “reasonable and necessary” caveat that’s also associated with the TCET? Do we need to clarify what this means or just replace it entirely?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see how you feel about the latest proposed reimbursement plan. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we take a look at guidances published by FDA regarding the 510k regulatory pathway. The subject matter of the three were: best practices for selecting a predicate device, the need for clinical data in a submission, and evidentiary expectations with implanted devices. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Can you please provide a brief explanation of the 510k pathway?Why is the agency attempting to strengthen the program? What is their ultimate goal?With the predicate device, we recently had a podcast on using a recalled device for a predicate. When they say “best practices,” are they suggesting avoiding doing that?What other best practices are tied to the predicate device selection?How do you gather clinical data on a device that’s not cleared or approved and just being submitted to the FDA?For what situations is the agency considering clinical data in a submission and why?For the third guidance, can you explain what this is? What are evidentiary expectations with implanted devices?What do these mean to you? What will they mean to medical device manufacturers?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and let us know what you think of any or all of these guidances. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we take a look at the recent rise in recalls that are being tied back to manufacturing issues. The discussion explores the recall mechanism itself and then move to the details behind the numbers. Finally, a strategy for mitigating risk is shared to help manufacturers avoid the potential for recalls. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Before we get into the reasons around why, can give a very brief overview of what exactly a device recall is?Medical device recalls aren’t new, so why are we taking a closer look at them today?Should we have been able to see this coming? Was this foreseeable?Are all of these recalls, or really any recalls, equal in terms of how serious they are?Can you explain what is meant by faulty manufacturing? Are machines making bad parts and it’s not being recognized?Who’s job is it to set the specs?Why the sudden increase? In 2022, recalls hit their lowest level in a decade. So what changed that now in 2023, they are at such a high level?Moving forward, what could we do/should we do to mitigate these risks and minimize residual risk for devices in the future?What are the takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see if you feel more comfortable about avoiding a recall. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we take a look at a guidance from the FDA that explains how product sponsors can submit a predetermined change control plan for artificial intelligence and machine learning technologies. These are critical as these types of software evolve over time to enhance the benefits they bring. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Can you please give a brief overview of what an AI or ML product is?Can you explain how this product can, quote evolve, as the FDA puts it?Now can you cover what a predetermined change control plan is and how it relates to the AI/ML product in this discussion?So why is this important? Why is it important to enable an AI or ML device to evolve?Can you offer real world examples of how this all works?What are the takeaways? Or in this instance, perhaps you could reiterate the most important tasks a company needs to keep in mind for their AI/ML products.
Listen to this discussion and see if you think this guidance addresses the issues associated with AI/ML. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we examine the FDA policy regarding the use of a recalled device as a predicate in a 510k submission. Is it a good idea? What considerations are there for doing so? Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
First, would you please explain the various levels of a recall as it relates to a medical device and what each level means?Can you quickly remind us of how a predicate device is used in a 510k submission?Given we’ve laid the groundwork, can you now please explain how a recalled device can be used as a predicate device?Is there any argument that can be made for having it be valid to use a Class 1 recall device as a predicate?Do you think a recall should invalidate a device from being used as a predicate? Or, would you ever suggest a recalled device to a client to be used as a predicate?I know some have argued for a “cap” to a device being used as a predicate, for example, nothing older than 10 years. Should there be a minimum amount of time a device should be on the market in clinical use to be able to be used as a predicate?What are the most important takeaways?
Listen to this discussion and see if you think using a recalled device as a predicate is a good regulatory strategy. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we look at the 483s and warning letters that resulted from FDA inspections in 2022. The list is alarmingly similar to previous years and the discussion explores why that’s the case. The discussion also centers around ways device manufacturers can avoid making many of these same mistakes that get other companies into trouble with the agency. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Can run through the top reasons for 483s and warning letters?Can you provide some examples of CAPA problems and offer suggestions for avoiding them?Like CAPAs, design controls accounted for more than 12% of the list. Can you provide examples of these violations and suggestions on how to avoid them?Third among the top was complaint handling, almost 11% of all violations. Do you have examples of these and tips for avoiding them?Are these top three problems really identical to what we’ve seen in previous years? Are these the same mistakes again?What are the most important takeaways with regard to today’s discussion?
Listen to this discussion and see if you might be vulnerable to a 483 upon your next inspection. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we continue to discuss lab developed tests (LDTs) and whether or not the FDA should have the authority to regulate them. How would FDA oversight impact quality and timeliness of care? How do LDTs relate to what happened with Theranos? Specifically, the following questions are addressed between the two parts of this podcast presentation:
Can you start today’s conversation by explaining why we’ve selected this topic for today’s discussion? Has there been an update to this debate?What is an LDT?Why do labs develop their own LDTs?Can you provide a couple of examples of LDTs?Currently, are LDTs regulated? Why and who is involved?You mentioned LDTs are low risk, but are LDTs truly low risk? What do you mean?Is there precedent we can examine for using enforcement discretion to not regulate LDTs?What is the relationship between LDTs and Theranos?What is your recommendation for companies developing LDTs and/or IVDs?Do you have suggestions for improving the status quo with regard to LDTs?What are the important takeaways from this discussion manufacturers should keep in mind?
Listen to this two-part discussion and see how FDA oversight of LDTs could affect your company’s products. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we look at the debate over lab developed tests (LDTs) and whether or not the FDA should have the authority to regulate them. What would this type of oversight do to the need for speed with these types of tests? Would FDA supervision make things safer and also avoid future situations like the Theranos debacle? Specifically, the following questions are addressed between the two parts of this podcast presentation:
Can you start today’s conversation by explaining why we’ve selected this topic for today’s discussion? Has there been an update to this debate?What is an LDT?Why do labs develop their own LDTs?Can you provide a couple of examples of LDTs?Currently, are LDTs regulated? Why and who is involved?You mentioned LDTs are low risk, but are LDTs truly low risk? What do you mean?Is there precedent we can examine for using enforcement discretion to not regulate LDTs?What is the relationship between LDTs and Theranos?What is your recommendation for companies developing LDTs and/or IVDs?Do you have suggestions for improving the status quo with regard to LDTs?What are the important takeaways from this discussion manufacturers should keep in mind?
Listen to this two-part discussion and see how FDA oversight of LDTs could affect your company’s products. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we look at what happens to products on the market under the FDA’s emergency use authorization (EUA). Once the EUA period ends, what happens to these products? As President Biden has already declared the pandemic to be over, this timeframe will be approaching quickly. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Could you please explain what an EUA is within the regulatory context of the pandemic?Under whose authority is the pandemic deemed over such that the status of devices on the market under EUAs become a concern?How will the FDA handle these EUA products?What should companies be doing now if they want to keep their products on the market after the EUAs expire?Are there any considerations companies should keep in mind with an EUA product?Are there any reasons a company may not want an EUA product to go through a full regulatory review?What are the most important takeaways with all of this for medical device manufacturers?
Listen to this episode and see if the end of EUAs impacts your company. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we look at the FDA’s use of the word “exempt” and what it means for medical device manufacturers. During this discussion, we look at the relationship between 510k exempt and Class of device. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Could you please explain what 510k exempt actually means?Are all Class I medical devices exempt and all Class II devices not exempt?What’s the difference between Class I exempt and Class II exempt?What is the difference between general controls and special controls? How are these relevant to exempt status?Could you give some examples of products that are Class I exempt and explain why they are afforded that status?Now could you do the same for Class II products that are exempt and give reasons why?What are the most important takeaways with all of this for medical device manufacturers?
Listen to this episode and see how 510k exempt may affect your company’s products and future regulatory submissions. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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In this Medtech Matters podcast episode of Mike on Medtech with Mike Drues, president of Vascular Sciences, we look at how a company can promote the off-label use of a medical device. It would seem to go against FDA regulation to do so, but there are acceptable methods that can be utilized that essentially promote the off-label use. Specifically, the following questions are addressed:
Since this discussion came out of the last podcast on intended use, can you give a very quick summation of that rule?Can you speak to the relationship between intended use and off-label use?When it comes to a medical device manufacturer promoting the off-label use of a device, how can that happen without raising a red flag with the FDA?To what degree can a promotion take place? Could it be an advertisement, collateral material provided to a doctor, or messaging from a sales person? Or all of the above?Can you share a couple real-world examples of acceptable off-label promotion?Where is the cut-off? In other words, what should companies be sure they AREN’T doing with regard to off-label promotion?What are the most important takeaways with all of this for medical device manufacturers?
Listen to this episode and see if you’re able to promote an off-label use of one of your devices. If you’d like to share thoughts, ask questions, or have a suggestion for a future topic for us to cover, please reach out to me at [email protected] and we’ll see if we want to address your ideas/inquiries/suggestions in a future episode.Send us a text
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