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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychiatrist and mental health researcher Chuck Raison. Chuck’s work centers on understanding how ancient practices can change our conscious experience. He’s a leader in studying the links between inflammation, stress, and depression, and how meditation and other practices can influence those dynamics. This conversation covers many topics, including:
ancient practices and conscious experience; Tibetan tummo practice; the role of inflammation in depression; sickness behavior; links between stress and inflammation; the placebo response; psychedelics as a novel treatment for depression; investigating the role of memory in transcendent experiences; body temperature and emotions; and the precious gift of awareness.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with contemplative researcher Quinn Conklin. Quinn's research examines the interconnection of mind and body, and the effects of stress and meditation training on biomarkers of health and well-being. This conversation covers many topics, including:
her interest in mind-body connection and how that led her into meditation research; understanding meditation retreats; advantages and challenges of studying meditation in a retreat context; how personality can influence the effects of meditation; telomeres and cell aging, and impacts of stress and meditation; creating safety and support for practice (on retreat); oxytocin and various theories of its function in social connection; effects of meditation retreat on oxytocin; allostasis and prediction; studying community responses to COVID and how meditation provides support; increasing diversity in contemplative science; and making research findings accessible.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychiatrist and contemplative researcher Zev Schuman-Olivier. Zev has been working for more than a decade to integrate mindfulness and compassion into health care, with a focus on addiction, depression, and chronic illness. This conversation covers many topics, including:
weaving mindfulness and compassion into clinical settings; lessons from his own experience of chronic illness; the key role of behavior change in health; balancing individual responsibility for health with systemic factors; mindfulness and addiction; making interventions trauma-informed, inclusive, and broadly accessible; how signals from the body help motivate action and emotion; how mindfulness enhances trust in the body and changes the brain in depression; Internal Family Systems and the critical role of acceptance; and next steps for integrating mindfulness and compassion into complex healthcare systems.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with social scientist and meditation teacher Eve Ekman. Eve's work integrates contemplative practice and modern psychology to help people learn about and work with their emotions. This conversation covers many topics, including:
her early exposure to Tibetan culture and Buddhism; emotion regulation vs. awareness; reappraisal and self-compassion; labeling feelings & being seen; handshake meditation practice; mapping an emotion: trigger, experience, and response; the complexity of what shapes each moment; becoming more sensitive through meditation; constructive vs. destructive emotions, and the complexities of anger; understanding equanimity; leveraging technology to help awareness and tracking of emotions; helping Apple incorporate well-being practices into its platforms; teaching meditation through the Cultivating Emotional Balance program; the Atlas of Emotion (free online resource); and life lessons from surfing.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with contemplative neuroscientist Dave Vago. Dave has been studying the brain, meditation, and the self for over two decades, and has developed several models of how mindfulness might work from cognitive and neurobiological perspectives. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his intertwined interests in brain, mind, self, philosophy, and religion; the temporal nature of memory; mindfulness for fibromyalgia and chronic pain; unconscious attentional bias; sticky thoughts and how they change with meditation; the role of the self in contemplative practice (S-ART model); meta-awareness and decentering; the centrality of inhibitory control in contemplative practice; dissolving the self/other divide; integrating wisdom to create meaning; how meditation can shift attentional bias at very early levels of processing; the deeply interconnected nature of brain function; self-pattern theory and (in)flexibility in the mind; mindfulness and the glymphatic system, and implications for sleep and neurodegenerative disorders; and the new academic society for contemplative research (ISCR).Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with biocultural anthropologist and Tibetan medical doctor Tawni Tidwell. Tawni's research focuses on living—and dying—with greater awareness and well-being, and integrates multiple biological and cultural perspectives on mind-body systems. This conversation covers many topics, including:
merging interests in biology, culture, ecology, nature, and medicine; how our minds shape our bodies; the holistic approach of Tibetan medicine; understanding constitutions and individual proclivities; the subtle body and consciousness; studying monastics who are able to extend the death process (Tukdam project); implications for life, death, and the nature of consciousness; individual differences and determining which practices might be best for someone; studying Tibetan medicine's approach to treating COVID; and coming back to our bodies, our communities, and our environments.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with neuroscientist and trauma researcher Brian Dias. Brian is one of the pioneers in understanding how trauma can be transferred between generations. Research in this space has helped fuel a major revolution in biology, because itmeans that not just our genes, but some aspects of our experiences can be inherited. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his path into studying trauma; how trauma can pass through generations; links with the Buddhist concept of karma; understanding epigenetics & the interplay between genes and environment; implications for inheritance and evolution; whether such intergenerational transmission is helpful or harmful; epigenetic clocks in our cells; how trauma affects brain development; sociocultural, developmental, and biological pathways for transmission of experiences; creating legacies of flourishing; lessons learned from collaborating with Tibetan monastics; providing resources to parents to try to halt legacies of trauma; impacts of stress on our mitochondria and microbiome; and scientists as humans first.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with neuroscientist and mental health researcher Jyoti Mishra. Jyoti has been investigating how mindfulness and attention training affect our brains, and can help in the context of mental health challenges related to climate disasters and other trauma. This conversation covers many topics, including:
her intertwined interests in neuroscience, meditation, and mental health; understanding climate trauma and its unique impacts on mental health; community resilience and action in the face of disaster; the rise of mental health issues worldwide; studying the mental health and brain function impacts of the deadliest fire in CA history; healing broken relationships with nature through mindfulness and ecotherapy; social justice issues around climate vulnerability; how childhood adversity affects brain circuitry for emotional awareness; developing contemplative tech interventions for disadvantaged youth, and impacts on brain and daily life functioning; nature and the sense of self; regulating the stress response through mindfulness and social connection; and empowering youth through the Climate Change & Mental Health Initiative.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychologist and contemplative researcher Simon Goldberg. Simon uses tools drawn from psychotherapy research to better understand the therapeutic processes and outcomes of mindfulness and meditation-based interventions. This conversation covers many topics, including:
coming to practice through one's own suffering; what we know from science about whether and how meditation "works;" the nuts and bolts of meditation research, and the importance of control groups; the file drawer effect and publishing negative findings; common factors in healing interventions; working with the self in psychotherapy vs. Buddhism; the critical role of acceptance; some challenges when measuring effects of meditation; individualizing contemplative practice to suit the person; delivering and studying meditation interventions through apps; and the possibilities of AI to help support meditation practice.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with educational leader, writer, and climate activist Diana Chapman Walsh. Diana had a long and successful career in public health at Boston and Harvard University, and then became the president of Wellesley College, a position she held for 14 years. Diana has become an icon in educational leadership, and advocates that education can be both an intellectual and a spiritual journey. This conversation covers many topics, including:
her path into contemplative practice and leadership; the importance of knowing and questioning oneself; vulnerability and responsibility in leadership; how the qualities of a leader influence the system they are leading; hierarchical vs. inclusive systems; the five principles of trustworthy leadership; interconnectedness as an underlying truth; building community amidst the climate crisis; how feedback loops can accelerate harm or spur change; and encouragement to tell our stories.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychologist and author Daniel Goleman. Dan has been fostering and contributing to contemplative science since the very early days of the conversation between science and Buddhism, and his long experience with meditation helped shape his notable work on emotional intelligence. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his interest in both Western and Asian systems of mind; his relationship with the Dalai Lama and involvement in Mind & Life dialogues; how the conversation between science and Buddhism has influenced both sides; when emotions become "destructive;" the birth of contemplative science; social emotional learning (SEL) in education; links between emotional intelligence and contemplative science; "McMindfulness" and the varying goals of practice; nonconceptual states and dissolving the self; navigating the complexities of science communication; the latest research on emotional intelligence in organizations; how awareness is (or isn't) showing up in the world; and how he relates to meditation now.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with neuroscientist Robin Nusslock. Robin has long been interested in the mind through both scientific and Buddhist lenses, and he trained with Richie Davidson. His work focuses on the brain's role in our emotional life, how stress impacts many of our bodily systems, as well as social determinants of health. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his long interest in mind & Buddhism; basic pathways of how stress gets into the body; how the brain learns threat and safety; effects of early life trauma on brain and behavior; our brain's reward systems and relevance to Buddhist ideas; craving and addiction; pathways toward change, neuroplasticity and pause; social and environmental determinants of health; epigenetics and intergenerational trauma; biology is not destiny; how we can intervene and promote flourishing; family-level interventions; reducing exposure to adversity; economic interventions (e.g., universal basic income); teaching science and research to Tibetan monastics; studying lucid dreaming with monks; and fruits of the exchange between Buddhism and science.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with philosopher and cognitive scientist Hanne De Jaegher. Hanne was influenced by Francisco Varela's ideas from an early age, and has been working to extend enactive theories of mind into social contexts. This conversation covers many topics, including:
roots in Varela's work and an early interest in thinking; sense-making and embodiment as foundational to cognition; how our habits and models fit (or don't) with our experience; participatory sense-making and the primacy of interaction; how interpersonal dynamics can have a life of their own; loving and knowing, letting others be; over- vs. underdetermining (how our projections of others shape interactions); emotional capacity and dementia; understanding autistic people from their own side; the need for people in dominant positions to listen; the importance of silence in dialogue; problems with the way social media platforms discourage interaction; interactions within one person; synthesis and breakdown; tension between self and interdependence (creating boundaries); and applying these ideas to our relationship with nature.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with musician, contemplative, researcher, and activist Grant Jones. Grant is working to develop and implement contemplative and liberatory tools for underserved populations. This conversation covers many topics, including:
blending music, psychology, contemplation, and activism; music and mindfulness for healing race-based anxiety; collaborating with Lama Rod Owens, Esperanza Spalding, and others; the absence of research on black music; music medicine vs. music therapy; pleasure activism as a form of disruption; balancing structure and freedom; the Black Lotus Collective; links between psychedelics and meditation; potential benefits and harm of psychedelic treatment, and how race plays in; the power of music to transcend language and culture; balancing identity with non-self; and letting go, having fun, and not being too serious.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychosocial oncology researcher Linda Carlson. Linda has pioneered the application of mindfulness and contemplative practice for cancer patients, focusing on both psychological and biological outcomes. This conversation covers many topics, including:
her path to integrating psychology, mindfulness, and cancer; early clinical trials and positive outcomes; how and why meditation can help with the stress of cancer; problems with battle metaphors related to cancer; opportunities to re-evaluate self and identity; connecting with boundlessness and interdependence; living well vs. living long; study design and control groups in meditation research; effects of mindfulness on cellular aging (telomeres); media coverage of meditation research; the power of preference in interventions; sneak preview of gene expression results; impacts on inflammation; increasing accessibility and diversity; working towards structural change in health care; and building an academic society for contemplative research.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with social psychologist and contemplative researcher Paul Condon. Paul's work integrates psychological theory with the Buddhist contemplative tradition, looking at meditation through the lens of attachment theory. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his long interest in the intersection between Buddhism and psychology; measuring compassion in the real world; meditation's effects on prosocial behavior and relating to suffering; barriers to compassion; the relevance of vulnerability and safety to compassion; understanding secure and insecure attachment; shifting our attachment style: how contemplative practice can help develop our secure base; security as adaptability; limitations of viewing meditation as self-help and individual effort; the relational starting point of meditation; open vs. closed secular contexts; identifying a caring moment or benefactor; the power of mental simulation; changes he's noticed from practice; and what these practices can offer in our current moment as a society.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with cognitive scientist, contemplative practitioner, and ballet dancer Marieke Van Vugt. Marieke is a pioneer in studying mind wandering and meditation through computer modeling, and is also advancing participatory research through her collaborations with Tibetan monastics. This conversation covers many topics, including:
her braided interests in meditation, dance, and cognitive science; computer modeling of mind and meditation; exploring distraction, mind wandering, and becoming aware; how thoughts can get "stuck" in our minds; creating a meditating computer; the relevance of stuck thoughts to various mental disorders; trauma through the lens of predictive models of mind; analytical meditation and Tibetan monastic debate; collaborating with monastics in research; humility and fluidity of mind; re-thinking the tasks used in cognitive science; the phenomenon of brain synchrony; dance and embodiment; the roots of thinking in the body; problems with abstraction in science; curiosity vs. the critical mind in ballet; flow, responsiveness, and compassion; and advice to young scholars.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with gastroenterologist, author, and microbiome researcher Emeran Mayer. Emeran is a world renowned expert in the connections between the gut and the mind, and brings a biological lens to the concept of interconnection. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his interest in mind-body connection; microbiome overview & current questions; how we've inherited systems of communication from microbes; gut-brain connections, and the concept of the "second brain"; how meditation might affect our microbes; gut-immune connections; the importance of barriers, and what goes wrong in "leaky gut"; barrier compromise as common core of nearly all chronic disorders; stress and diet as key factors affecting our gut permeability; what we can do to protect our gut; equity issues around healthy food access; the gut as a sense organ; reductions in the diversity of microbes on the planet; the role of antibiotics and environmental destruction; development of the microbiome in pregnancy and infancy; implications for our concept of self; balance between reductionism and embracing complexity in science; and the need for more of the feminine archetype in our world.Full show notes and resources
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To begin our seventh season, Wendy speaks with contemplative educator and developmental psychologist Rob Roeser. Rob has been working to re-envision the educational system for decades, and has been at the forefront of understanding how we can best integrate mindfulness and compassion into school settings. This conversation covers many topics, including:
his initial exposure to integrative school systems; educating for life, instead of just participation in the global economy; focus on the body, nature, and our inherent "earthiness"; studying schools in India that integrate meditation; integrating science and viewing contemplative practice as building skills; applying a developmental lens to contemplative education; the key role of educating adults alongside children; changing culture and norms; how social processes drive the development of attention in children; our innate tendencies towards both compassion and othering; attention training as a relational practice; the relevance of a secure base; leveraging developmental "windows of opportunity"; practices that highlight our shared humanity; systems thinking in education; and re-enchanting the gift of learning.Full show notes and resources
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In this episode, Wendy speaks with lawyer, activist, and restorative justice expert sujatha baliga. sujatha’s work reimagines our current legal and justice system in the United States, and emphasizes the full humanity of both those who experience harm and those who cause it. This conversation covers many topics, including:
growing up with sexual abuse, and the impacts it had;meeting with the Dalai Lama, and his transformational advice;the power of lovingkindness;her choice to be a public defender;responsibility & causes and conditions;holding two competing ideas simultaneously;problems with the traditional legal system;the paradigm shift of restorative justice;integrating contemplative practice into the process of restorative justice;the role of the self in the experience of harm;how we need to shift our language around labeling people;reflections on forgiveness and justice;and next steps for the movement.Full show notes and resources
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