Episodios

  • This week on the pod, Ryan takes us to El Salvador, the land of volcanoes and Bitcoin. Hear about how he almost made it inside a beautiful church and his visit to Hermit Island. Plus, what was the miniature controversy at the Kentucky State Fair?

    LAST STOP

    Ryan:

    https://nypost.com/2024/08/23/us-news/kentucky-state-fair-removes-ribbon-winning-miniature-after-realizing-it-depicted-a-porn-set/

    Kiernan:

    https://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/vacation-rentals/most-unique-airbnb-stay-every-us-state

  • This week on “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” Kiernan chats with Sarah Robbins, the COO of 21C Museum Hotels, a unique chain that combines modern art and comfortable accommodations. They talk through what it takes to run both a thriving hospitality business AND a compelling art operation. Plus,

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    “North to Alaska”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoqVPcXDtUs

    21C Museum Hotel

    https://www.21cmuseumhotels.com/

    New UNESCO World Heritage Sites

    https://www.euronews.com/culture/2024/08/02/a-roman-road-sand-dunes-and-gold-mines-these-are-the-24-new-unesco-world-heritage-sites-fo

    Dems whipping airlines into shape

    https://www.npr.org/2024/08/01/g-s1-14662/airline-junk-fees-family-seating-dot

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  • This week on “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the boys put on their finest yacht-wear and head to that enclave of the rich and famous, The Hamptons. Kiernan talks about what exactly “The Hamptons” refers to, logistics of exploring there as a tourist, and a few cultural treasures hidden out among the seaside mansions.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Hamptons Jitney

    https://www.hamptonjitney.com/hjmobile/

    Surf Lodge

    https://thesurflodge.com/

    Montauk Point Lighthouse

    https://montaukhistoricalsociety.org/montauk-point-lighthouse/

    Coopers Beach

    https://www.discoverlongisland.com/listing/coopers-beach/1047/

    Parrish Art Museum

    https://parrishart.org/

    Pollock-Krasner House

    https://artistshomes.org/site/pollock-krasner-house-and-study-center

    Green River Cemetery

    https://greenrivercemetery.org/

    Museo Cacao

    https://museocacao.com/

    Palmero’s Breaththrough Saint

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/03/world/europe/palermo-catholic-saint-hindu-pantheon.html

    Buy “Secret Boston: An Unusual Guide”

    https://bookshop.org/p/books/secret-boston-an-unusual-guide-kiernan-schmitt/21037780?ean=9782361957179

    https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Boston-Unusual-Guide-guides/dp/2361957175

  • This week Ryan welcomes his favorite author Kiernan Schmitt to talk about Kiernan’s new guidebook “Secret Boston: An Unusual Guide.” The book is a part of Jonglez Publishing’s “Secret” series, which specializes in historical oddities and way off-the-beaten-path sites fit for locals and enterprising tourists both!

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Buy “Secret Boston: An Unusual Guide”

    https://bookshop.org/p/books/secret-boston-an-unusual-guide-kiernan-schmitt/21037780?ean=9782361957179

    https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Boston-Unusual-Guide-guides/dp/2361957175

    Secret series:

    https://jonglezpublishing.com/product-category/secret-guides/

    Our interview with Thomas Jonglez

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/travel-book-publisher-thomas-jonglez/id1438098925?i=1000454443728

    North End Library Venice Miniature

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/diorama-of-venetian-palace

    The Dutch House

    https://www.redfin.com/MA/Brookline/20-Netherlands-Rd-02445/home/11461795

    Arlington Street Church Tiffany Window

    https://www.ascboston.org/about/building.html

    Neon Williams

    https://neonwilliams.com/

    Forest Hills Cemetery “Neighbors” by Christopher Frost

    https://www.christopherfrost.org/#/neighbors2006/

    The Dodecagonal House

    https://www.bostonpreservation.org/news-item/my-boston-home-dragon-jp

    Jumbo’s Ashes at Tufts

    https://now.tufts.edu/2014/09/22/glory-was-jumbo

    BC Labyrinth

    https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/sites/memorial-labyrinth.html

    Dorchester Historic Brick Collection

    https://www.dorchesterhistoricalsociety.org/exhibits

    Greenway Carousel

    https://www.boston.com/uncategorized/noprimarytagmatch/2013/08/31/greenway-carousel-grand-opening/

    Puppet Free Library

    https://puppetco-op.org/libraries.htm

    Climate Change and Turbulence

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/climate-change-is-making-airplane-turbulence-more-common-and-severe-scientists-say-180984440/

    Revere Sand Sculpting Festival

    https://www.internationalsandsculptingfestival.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gg7pYzzTUk

    Ponyhenge

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/05/02/opinion/ponyhenge-elizabeth-graver/

  • Pop! Squish! Six! Uh-Oh! Cicero! Lipschitz! On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the boys talk about one of their favorite cities in the US: Chicago! Perched on Lake Michigan, the city offers stellar food, world-class art and natural history, and a number of easy-to-find hidden wonders.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Chicago Architecture Tour

    https://www.architecture.org/tours/detail/chicago-architecture-center-river-cruise-aboard-chicago-s-first-lady/

    Tiffany Dome at Chicago Cultural Center

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/chicago_culturalcenter-tiffanydome.html

    Millennium Park

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/millennium_park.html

    The Bean

    https://millenniumparkfoundation.org/art-architecture/cloud-gate/

    Buckingham Fountain

    https://www.chicagoparkdistrict.com/parks-facilities/clarence-f-buckingham-memorial-fountain

    Crown Fountain

    https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/depts/dca/supp_info/chicago_s_publicartcrownfountaininmillenniumpark.html

    Wrigley Field

    https://www.mlb.com/cubs/ballpark

    Field Museum

    https://www.fieldmuseum.org/

    Art Institute of Chicago

    https://www.artic.edu/

    Thorne Miniatures

    https://www.artic.edu/highlights/12/thorne-miniature-rooms

    Robie House

    https://flwright.org/tour/robie-house

    Hogsalt

    https://www.hogsalt.com/

    Chicago-Style Hot Dogs

    https://www.bonappetit.com/story/best-hot-dogs-chicago

    Chicago Pizza

    https://chicago.eater.com/maps/best-chicago-pizza-restaurants

    Roadside America

    https://www.roadsideamerica.com/

    “Footnotes from the Most Fascinating Museums” by Bob Eckstein

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/18/travel/museum-guide-bob-eckstein-illustrator.html

  • On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the boys luxuriate in Louisville. From exploring hidden walkways to throwing back some bourbon—plus a quick stop to honor The Colonel—Ryan and Kiernan are officially Kentucky converts.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    21C Museum Hotel
    https://www.21cmuseumhotels.com/louisville/

    The Brown Hotel
    https://www.brownhotel.com/

    The Hot Brown
    https://www.gotolouisville.com/blog/hot-brown/

    Louisville Historic Tours
    https://louisvillehistorictours.com/

    Conrad-Caldwell House
    https://www.conradcaldwell.org/

    Louisville’s Olmsted Parks
    https://louisvilleky.gov/government/louisville-loop/olmsted-parkways

    Cave Hill Cemetery
    https://www.cavehillcemetery.com/

    Belle of Louisville Riverboat
    https://www.belleoflouisville.org/

    Louisville Slugger Museum
    https://www.sluggermuseum.com/

    Frazier History Museum
    https://www.fraziermuseum.org/

    Speed Art Museum
    https://www.speedmuseum.org/

    Proof on Main
    https://proofonmain.com/

    The Silver Dollar
    https://www.whiskeybythedrink.com/

    610 Magnolia
    https://610magnolia.com/

    Garage Bar
    https://garageonmarket.com/

    Butchertown Grocery Bakery
    https://www.gotolouisville.com/directory/butchertown-grocery-bakery/

    Chik’n & Mi
    https://www.chiknandmi.com/

    Muth’s Candies
    https://muthscandy.com/

    Mile Wide Beer Co.
    https://milewidebeer.com/

  • On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the boys put on their hard hats, light their lanterns, and head underground! Ryan and Kiernan are fresh back from Mammoth Cave National Park in Kentucky—the largest cave system in the world! They have tales to tell about secret subterranean rivers, folksy rangers, and gypsum flowers that take eons to grow.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Mammoth Cave National Park

    https://www.nps.gov/maca/index.htm

    The Cave Wars

    https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-kentucky-cave-wars.htm

    Stephen Bishop

    https://www.nps.gov/people/stephen-bishop.htm

    George Morrison

    https://www.nps.gov/people/george-morrison.htm

    Floyd Collins

    https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/tragedy-at-sand-cave.htm

    Frozen Niagra

    https://www.nps.gov/media/photo/gallery.htm?id=335A7FB9-AA3A-4D2E-A446-C2F15F29DE5E

    Historical Tour

    https://www.nps.gov/media/photo/gallery.htm?id=3CDB5B65-5954-49BB-A2FE-AEA32F56FC03

    Gothic Avenue Tour

    https://www.greatamericanhikes.com/post/gothic-avenue-tour-in-mammoth-cave-national-park

    Grand Avenue Tour

    https://www.alittletour.com/2017/06/01/grand-avenue-tour-mammoth-cave-kentucky/

    All Tours

    https://www.nps.gov/maca/planyourvisit/cave-tours.htm

    Book Tours here

    https://recreation.gov/ticket/facility/234640

    Cave City

    https://cavecity.com/

    Wigwam Village

    https://historicwigwamvillage.com/

  • This week on “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” we revisit the November 2022 episode on Richmond, Virginia. It was Ryan and Kiernan's first overnight trip together (staying in separate hotels, of course)! They discuss museums, historic homes, graves, Presidents, and plenty about the Civil War. They also share their restaurant recommendations and uncover a standout hidden treasure in a National Park!

    The American Civil War Museum

    https://acwm.org/

    Virginia Museum of Fine Arts

    https://vmfa.museum

    John Marshall House

    https://preservationvirginia.org/historic-sites/john-marshall-house/

    Hollywood Cemetery

    https://www.hollywoodcemetery.org/

    Maggie Walker House

    https://www.nps.gov/mawa/index.htm

    Society of Cincinnati

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Cincinnati

    Virginia State Capitol

    http://virginiacapitol.gov/index.php/tours/

    Statue of George Washington

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_George_Washington_(Houdon)

    James Madison’s Montpelier

    https://www.montpelier.org/

    Paul Jennings

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jennings_(slave)

    Eater’s Richmond List

    https://dc.eater.com/maps/best-bars-restaurants-bakeries-richmond-dining-guide

    Barcode

    https://www.barcoderva.com/

    Triple Crossing Brewery

    https://triplecrossing.com/

    Emily Dickinson’s House

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/arts/design/emily-dickinson-museum-renovation.html

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Ryan chats with “Jade,” a flight attendant for a US airline, about the high-flying lifestyle and her biggest traveler pet peeves. Recorded in-person in Boston, Ryan also complains about the Logan Airport Uber Pickup experience.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Michelin in Mexico:
    https://guide.michelin.com/us/en/tags/Mexico

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Kiernan leads us through highlights from his trip to Guatemala—museums of Guatemala City, the pyramids (and howler monkeys!) of Tikal National Park, Antigua volcano hikes, and the part-devil/part-saint of Lake Atitlan. Plus, LOTS OF GORY CATHOLIC STUFF!

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    The Rick Steves Guide to Life

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2024/04/29/rick-steves-home-partner-philanthropy-washington/

    US State Department Guatemala Safety Information

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Guatemala.html

    Brief History of Guatemala’s complicated political history and civil war

    https://cja.org/where-we-work/guatemala/

    Palacio Nacional de la Cultura

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Palace_(Guatemala)

    Museo Ixchel

    https://museoixchel.org/en/museo-ixchel-english/

    Museo Miraflores

    https://www.museomiraflores.org.gt/

    Museo Nacional de Arqueologia y Etnologia

    https://sig.muniguate.com/proyectosDIGM/cultura/museos/MUSEOS/Arqueolog%C3%ADa%20y%20Etnolog%C3%ADa.html

    Tikal National Park

    https://www.tikalnationalpark.org/

    Antigua

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigua_Guatemala

    Santa Catalina Archi

    https://theculturetrip.com/central-america/guatemala/articles/a-brief-history-of-antiguas-santa-catalina-arch

    Convento de las Capuchinas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iglesia_y_Convento_de_las_Capuchinas,_Antigua_Guatemala

    Efrain Recinos sculpture park

    https://intothearmsofamerica.com/destinations/guatemala/antigua/the-little-museum-up-in-the-antigua-hills/

    Lake Atitlan

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Atitl%C3%A1n

    Maximon

    https://atitlanliving.com/guatemala-travel-information/how-to-visit-a-cofradia-in-santiago/

    Michelin Star Analysis

    https://www.chefspencil.com/michelin-dining-costs-analysis/

    Your iPhone’s Hidden Noise Machine

    https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/iphone-tips-tricks/

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Ryan interviews Emma Weissmann on the boom of concert travel led by Taylor Swift. Plus, Kiernan endorses Mitt Romney again.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Mitt Romney for Harvard President.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/16/mitt-romney-harvard-president-antisemitism/

    Emma Interview:

    TravelAge West: https://www.travelagewest.com/

    Emma’s podcasts: https://www.travelagewest.com/Podcasts

    Taylor Swift cruise: https://www.travelagewest.com/Travel/Cruise/taylor-swift-cruise

    NPR article on economic impact: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/27/1221483930/girl-economy-taylor-swift-beyonce-barbie-2023

    Last Stop:
    https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a60314481/literary-travel-boom/

    https://www.bnbfinder.com/

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Kiernan digs in on regional Italian cuisine with one of the show’s most interesting guests ever: opera and Italian cuisine expert Fred Plotkin. Fred talks us through some of the most popular and most obscure foods of Italy, sharing history and wonderful anecdotes all along the way. Part 2 of 3!

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    “Italy for Food Lovers”

    https://store.ricksteves.com/shop/p/italy-for-food-lovers

    Fred Plotkin biography

    https://www.wqxr.org/people/fred-plotkin/

    The Atlantic’s “Crying Myself to Sleep on the Biggest Cruise Ship Ever” by Gary Shteyngart

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/05/royal-caribbean-cruise-ship-icon-of-seas/677838/

    CNN’s Grandmother and Son Are on the Move

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/grandma-joy-ryan-grandson-seven-continents/index.html

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Kiernan grades ChatGPT, evaluating its organization of three weekend getaways. Ryan shares tips on how to correctly leverage ChatGPT for travel plans. Introducing a fresh segment, "The Layover," Ryan chats with Tommy Wallach from Hatch Escapes on the launch of their latest immersive adventure, "The Ladder."

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    ChatGPT:
    https://chat.openai.com/

    Hatch Escapes:

    https://www.hatchescapes.com/

    OOO Episode on Escape Rooms:
    https://outofofficepod.com/podcast/episode-50-escape-rooms-with-tommy-wallach/

    LAST STOP

    Ryan: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-accelerates-plan-to-unleash-apex-predator-near-rural-community-over-widespread-local-opposition

    Kiernan: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/arts/willy-wonka-musical-parody-inspired-by-viral-event-1235852849/

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Kiernan interviews one of the show’s most interesting guests ever: opera and Italian cuisine expert Fred Plotkin. Decades ago, Fred published a breakout hit for intrepid eaters: his book “Italy for the Gourmet Traveler.” During COVID, he collaborated with frequent “Out of Office” guest Rick Steves on a new update, which the duo published in 2023 as “Italy for Food Lovers.” Fred’s knowledge proved so encyclopedic, this will be Part 1 of 2!

    Note: Some SFX are missing from the top of the show, which explains the weird pauses. We’ll talk about it on the next episode.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Willy Wonka Immersive Experience

    https://www.salon.com/2024/03/02/fyre-festival-20-everything-to-know-about-the-less-than-stellar-willy-wonka-immersive-experience/

    “Italy for Food Lovers”

    https://store.ricksteves.com/shop/p/italy-for-food-lovers

    Fred Plotkin biography

    https://www.wqxr.org/people/fred-plotkin/

    “The Myth of Your Phone’s Airplane Mode”

    https://qz.com/phone-airplane-mode-myth-1851286214

    “Pod Save the World” CPAC Doubles Down on Creepy Autocrats

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cpac-doubles-down-on-creepy-autocrats/id1200016351?i=1000647359648

  • On this episode of "Out Of Office: A Travel Podcast," Ryan ventures to Buenos Aires and shares his top neighborhood picks, eats too much steak, and embarks on a quest for elderly giraffes. Also, the boys debut a fresh segment called Nonsense Banter.

    Ryan's BA photos on Insgagram:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/C32MfWpuTpH/?img_index=1

    Other Links:

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/air-canada-must-honor-refund-policy-invented-by-airlines-chatbot/

  • In this episode of "Out of Office: A Travel Podcast," Ryan speaks with Dawn Padmore, Vice President of Awards at the James Beard Foundation, about the newly released list of semi-finalists and how the JBF discovers these exceptional restaurants across the United States. Additionally, Ryan and Kiernan share some of their favorites from the list.

    The JBF:

    https://www.jamesbeard.org/

    Semi-Finalists List:

    https://www.jamesbeard.org/blog/the-2024-james-beard-awards-semifinalists

    Notre Dame Episode:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/notre-dame/id1438098925?i=1000436877749

  • On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” Kiernan talks to Amy Virshup, the Travel Editor of the New York Times, about the paper’s just released “52 Places to Visit in 2024” list. Plus, the boys launch a new segment called “The Judy Alert” to help Ryan’s mother determine whether her son is in danger.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    “52 Places to Go in 2024”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/travel/places-to-travel-destinations-2024.html

    Quito, Ecuador episode

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/quito-ecuador/id1438098925?i=1000610538652

    Ecuador Travel Advisory

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/ecuador-travel-advisory.html

    White House Press Release on Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/08/08/fact-sheet-president-biden-designates-baaj-nwaavjo-itah-kukveni-ancestral-footprints-of-the-grand-canyon-national-monument/

  • On this episode of “Out of Office: A Travel Podcast,” the boys revisit their 2023 Travel New Year’s Resolutions, set down some new ambitions, respond to some SCATHING listener reviews, and then relax into full New England Winter Mode with a city guide to Stowe, Vermont.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Vermont Covered Bridges

    https://www.vermontbridges.com/goldbrk.htm#:~:text=The%20Gold%20Brook%20Bridge%20in%20Stowe%2C%20built%20in%201844%2C%20is,Vermont's%20Howe%20truss%20railroad%20spans.

    Stowe Mountain Resort

    https://gostowe.com/listing/stowe-mountain-resort/

    Trapp Family Lodge

    https://www.trappfamily.com/about-us.htm

    Stowe Recreation Path

    https://www.stowerec.org/parks-facilities/rec-paths/stowe-recreation-path/

    Bear Pond Books

    https://stowebooks.com/

    Idletyme Brewing Company

    https://idletymebrewing.com/

    Alchemist Beer

    https://alchemistbeer.com/

    “25 Stunning Sites in South America” by The Discoverer

    https://www.thediscoverer.com/blog/25-stunning-sites-south-america/XvHyVpKgiwAG5ann?utm_source=blog&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2004919419

    Japanese Plane Collision

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/world/asia/tokyo-haneda-plane-fire.html

    Alaska Airlines Boeing Loses a Door Plug Midflight

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/us/alaska-airlines-boeing-passengers.html

  • Grab your nog, it’s the annual OOO Christmas Spectacular where the boys put aside their passports to focus on Santa’s operational efficiencies and Sesame Street Christmas music.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Rankin Bass Musicals

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankin/Bass_Animated_Entertainment

    Freeze Miser

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEbFfoBPfw4

    The Largest Nativity Scene in South America

    https://www.expreso.ec/ocio/cultura/cuenca-reclama-pesebre-grande-latinoamerica-173858.html

    “Santa Baby” by Ariana Grande

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlR0MkrRklg

    Cookie Monster’s “12 Days of Christmas”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQCmsuK-Lmw

    Ugly Sweater Ornament

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/255838445784?hash=item3b9128e0d8:g:Uj4AAOSwodVjeaGy&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8NPxIqG7TEJv1y5rq1ngNG9jrGcrhJezWdhmJou2WW3KRzFtstVU77F2rBgYqUVIGP%2FOuTkPbL09UTcSjPoyXy7TJRs5s8aCpCpqz4C%2FU4Ym%2F4cP%2BNrvCbzs4Hc4gIkqx2uZXJFhWyT%2BB3HqTtzxOFLuzeWvjTOmvF%2Bo1REtDZhOxtuRqLBaTwwoNpLZhq%2B550zP5Qaw%2Ba%2BpSyt1HNJMpJF0OdHdKPKCXtN%2BDHNOdgnStEqShRLcQLhiz2Ngnrp4SGQQKQO%2BohqLxrI0iGz8pksqxDSb0SjLR%2FgxG1yA6rylPFbvl3EBfTOHJruagIQlYQ%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR4jryaSNYw

    Ugly Possum Ornament

    https://www.jdevlinglassart.com/bac-185-possum-ornament/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAj_CrBhD-ARIsAIiMxT84-U1us_3R7qrv4OkXqRFy_GWNyikBaBFlB6SgDuxyP4TcVLy45rcaAhhaEALw_wcB

  • This week on the pod, join Ryan as he explores Guayaquil, Ecuador's largest city. Discover a Millennial Malecon, delve into miniature history museums teeming with pirates, and encounter feral iguanas. Also, stay tuned as Kiernan learns what a chameleon is.

    Things we talk about in this week’s episode:

    Quito Episode: https://outofofficepod.com/podcast/episode-149-quito-ecuador/

    https://apnews.com/article/ecuador-crime-cocaine-fernando-villavicencio-4f96684926c2600e2483373555a7cf42

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malec%C3%B3n_2000

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/ecuador/pacific-coast-and-lowlands/guayaquil/attractions/museo-en-miniatura-guayaquil-en-la-historia/a/poi-sig/1504404/363353

    https://www.theworlds50best.com/discovery/Establishments/Ecuador/Guayaquil/Casa-Juli%C3%A1n.html

    https://www.theworlds50best.com/discovery/Establishments/Ecuador/Guayaquil/Mikka.html

    The Last Stop:

    Ryan: Z-Food in Quito (https://zfoodquito.com/)

    Kiernan: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/20/us/death-valley-lake.html