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Itâs fair to say Episode 017 of The Crafty Pint Podcast is a special one. After all, you can count the number of people whoâve achieved what this weekâs guests have achieved on one hand.
It was all the way back in 1999 that Paul and Tash Holgate sold the first Holgate beers, long before âcraft beerâ was a term â it was âboutique beersâ and âmicrobreweriesâ in those days â and a full decade before the industryâs growth really started to go into overdrive. Little Creatures hadnât yet launched, and Mountain Goat were barely two years into their adventure down the road in Melbourne.
Now, 25 years on, they occupy rarified territory: marking their quarter-century milestone while still independent, still running the business hands-on, still making plans for the years ahead, and all while producing some of the finest beers of their history to date.
We joined Paul and Tash in the bar of the pub in Woodend that has acted as their home since they moved the brewery out of the family home in their first few years of operation.
There, they reflected on the early years, when they were raising a very young family at a time when even getting their hands on things as straightforward and essential as ingredients and packaging was a tall order, and when most venues they approached dismissed their beer as homebrew.
We hear their take on the rise of the craft beer industry, how theyâve navigated the changes as it evolved into something well beyond their expectations, the hurdles theyâve faced and successes theyâve enjoyed over the past quarter-century, and how theyâve gone about celebrating their 25 Years of Beers.
You couldnât wish to spend time in the company of a more down-to-earth and genuine couple, or to meet two people still so clearly loving what they do, even in the face of the challenges that have arisen in recent years.
The chat with Paul and Tash begins at 09:30
Prior to that, Will and I discuss two fun stories we published this week: one on a mini-revival for beer in bottles â notably longnecks; the other looking at the reasons behind the rise of hops from New Zealand both here and globally in the past couple of years.
We also touch on the news that Australiaâs first non-alc brewing company, the Indigenous-led Sobah Beverages, is looking to sell its brewery and taproom on the Gold Coast, and the impending opening of two regional breweries in Victoria: the all-new Bendigo Brewing and a new, larger site in Castlemaine for Shedshaker.
Relevant links:
Back On The Bottle: https://craftypint.com/news/3617/back-on-the-bottle
Choice Az! The Rise Of Kiwi Hops: https://craftypint.com/news/3623/choice-az-the-rise-of-kiwi-hops
Sobah Beverages Downsizing: https://craftypint.com/news/3619/sobah-beverages-put-brewery-on-market-and-plan-to-downsize
Bendigo Brewing Opening: https://craftypint.com/event/13512/bendigo-brewings-grand-opening-weekend
James on The Do Landers Podcast: https://thedolanders.com/
Holgate Brewhouse: https://craftypint.com/brewery/156/holgate-brewhouse
Holgate ESB: https://craftypint.com/beer/10917/holgate-brewhouse-esb
Holgate x Noodledoof Dank AF: https://craftypint.com/beer/10855/holgate-x-noodledoof-dank-af-west-coast-ipa
Paul & Tash: https://craftypint.com/news/2255/craftys-advent-calendar-paul-and-tash-holgate
Bintani: https://www.bintani.com.au/
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What does it mean to be a sustainable business or to brew in a sustainable manner? Can beer really do good, or are such claims just there to make marketing departments feel better about themselves? And, if so, how can they have a positive impact on the world around them, from their local community to the drinkers who buy their beers?
Such questions â and helping people find the right answers to them â have occupied James Perrin throughout his career in beer. It's one that started with Lion in New Zealand, brought him to Stone & Wood in the midst of their rapid growth, and continues to this day in many ways.
He's still involved in a Northern Rivers brewery too, albeit a rather smaller one. He left Stone & Wood after the sale to Lion / Kirin, and these days is part of the team running Spangled Drongo, a brewery which makes a donation from every beer sold to help protect the natural habitat around them.
He also works with businesses looking to be better global citizens in and outside beer, both in Australia and overseas, and has helped some â most recently Jervis Bay Brewing Co â gain B Corp status.
James is a wealth of knowledge on all things sustainability and has developed a model of six ways in which businesses can look to have a positive impact. He joined us on the show to explain his approach, discuss various programs and certifications in this space, and to highlight examples from the beer world that have impressed him.
He talks passionately about the importance of authenticity in making connections with consumers, and is a firm believer that indie beer businesses occupy a role within communities through which they can make changes for the better and inspire others to follow suit.
The chat with James starts at 16:17
Prior to that we welcomed another guest, who joined James for the preamble. With Will making his way back to Australia from Bali, Benedict Kennedy-Cox stepped up to the oche.
Benny has been writing for The Crafty Pint for a few years now, often combining beer with another passion of his: travel. He was in Melbourne so dropped into the studio to discuss the week's news, share some of his favourite experiences on the road, including getting abused by a waiter in Köln, and offer insight into the sustainably-minded businesses he's written about for us.
There also a heads-up for our forthcoming lager-centric event at The Wheaty.
Relevant links:
Going Green: Sustainable Brewing: https://craftypint.com/news/1767/going-green-sustainable-brewing
Spangled Drongo Brewing: https://craftypint.com/brewery/865/spangled-drongo-brewery
Jervis Bay Secure B Corp Status: https://craftypint.com/news/3588/better-every-day-jervis-bay-become-a-b-corp
James Perrin's website: https://www.jamesperrin.com.au/
Ryefield Hops' Certifiably Sustainable Growth: https://craftypint.com/news/3376/ryefield-hops-certifiably-sustainable-growth
Frogs Hollow's Off-Grid Brewery: https://craftypint.com/news/3590/going-green-frogs-hollows-off-grid-brewery
Mitta Mitta Brewing: https://craftypint.com/brewery/398/mitta-mitta-brewing-co
Ten Lessons From Ten Years: Wolf of the Willows: https://craftypint.com/news/3614/ten-lessons-from-ten-years-wolf-of-the-willows
Planned vs Rogue: https://www.youtube.com/@PlannedvsRogue
Upcoming lager event at The Wheaty: https://craftypint.com/event/13508/exploring-the-ever-larger-world-of-lager
Sun Tap Decals: https://www.suntapdecals.com.au/
To find out more about supporting the show or otherwise partnering with The Crafty Pint, contact [email protected].
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In Episode 015 of The Crafty Pint Podcast we head overseas for the first time. Our destination is a tiny brewery most people won't have heard of, where we're joined by a guest with whom many will be very familiar.
The tiny brewery is Shortjaw Brewing, located in Westport: a town on the sparsely populated west coast of New Zealand's South Island. The guest is the man who, along with his partner Emma, decided to take over the site of a 30-year-old, twice-liquidated brewery during the early period of the COVID pandemic and bring it back to life.
Luke Robertson is far better known in beer circles â at least outside Westport and surrounds â from his time in Australia. This is mainly due to Ale of a Time, the blog that spawned a podcast of the same name, both of them home to sharp, witty and occasionally caustic observations of, and commentary on, the wide world of beer.
That was just one of many roles in the Australian beer world for Luke, who helped deliver major events such as Good Beer Week and BrewCon for the Independent Brewers Association, while writing â mostly on beer â for high profile publications not just in his adopted home but overseas, notably for Good Beer Hunting.
Thirty months on from pouring the first Shortjaw beer for guests, he joined us to reflect on his change of direction â or putting his money where his mouth is, as he puts it: how he's approached building a customer base for a regional brewery in one of the most remote parts of the planet, his fondness for creating beers that represent the place in which they're brewed, and some of the highs and lows that come with launching a brewery in the toughest climate for beer in decades.
The chat with Luke starts at 11:05.
Prior to that, we interrupt Will's holiday in Bali to go behind the scenes of his deep dive article into the experiences of working at beer's sinking ships. Over a period of months, he spoke to former employees at a number of businesses across Australia that have been through administration, ceased operating, or changed hands over the past couple of years, and the picture they paint is far from pretty.
We also discuss the reaction to the article since its publication on Monday, with comments received from outside Australia and beyond the beer world too.
You'll find links relevant to the episode below:
Shortjaw Brewing: https://shortjaw.co.nz/
Ale of a Time: https://aleofatime.com/
From Beer Blogger To Brewery Owner: https://craftypint.com/news/2799/from-beer-blogger-to-brewery-owner
Working Inside Beer's Sinking Ships: https://craftypint.com/news/3605/working-inside-beers-sinking-ships
Brew & A ft Charlie Claridge: https://craftypint.com/news/3609/brew-and-a-charlie-claridge-esker-beer-co
Sun Tap Decals: https://www.suntapdecals.com.au/
To find out more about supporting the show or otherwise partnering with The Crafty Pint, contact [email protected].
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The craft beer era has given rise to thousands of stories, but none like that of Moon Dog.
Founders Karl van Buuren and brothers Josh and Jake Uljans announced themselves to an unsuspecting beer world in the manner of a custard pie to the face â well before custard pie beers were a thing â and have never stopped evolving and innovating. Neither have they lost focus on keeping two words â "delicious" and "fun" â at the heart of everything they do.
After a few years of ever more outrageous releases, they opened their first venue in Abbotsford on the site of their first brewery (and schoolmates Josh and Karl's home for 14 months) before introducing a core range, growing fast, and taking over neighbouring buildings in Abbotsford as they became available.
Arguably just as outrageous as their early beers was what came in 2019: Moon Dog World, a vast venue in Preston that saw them convert a warehouse into a tropical paradise complete with waterfall, lagoon and Wall of Warnie.
Since then, they've embraced the arrival of hard seltzers in Australia, with Fizzer becoming one of the biggest brands in the country, and explored other avenues within the world of RTDs, while expanding their portfolio of megavenues. Indeed, the last of these was the main reason we sat down with Josh and Karl this week.
We joined them at Doglands, a 1200-capacity venue on the concourse of Marvel Stadium that was set to welcome people headed to Travis Scott's show later that night. It arrives hot on the heels of Moon Dog Wild West in the former Franco Cozzo building in Footscray, and just weeks (they hope) before they open in Frankston.
Our chat covers Moon Dog's evolution from craft brewer to multi-beverage producer and entertainment provider, the challenges and benefits of running vast venues, the importance of remaining true to yourself and your brand â whatever you end up doing, building and retaining great teams, and having fun along the way.
The conversation with them begins at 10:20.
Prior to that, we discuss stories from the week just gone, including the heartwarming tale of the changing of the guard at the Sunshine Coast's oldest brewery, where the owners' youngest daughter has taken up the reins, and the launch of a new Beer Cocktails series on The Crafty Pint.
You'll find links relevant to the show here:
A Curran Affair: Sunshine Coast's Oldest Brewery Passes To The Next Generation: https://craftypint.com/news/3602/a-curran-affair-sunshine-coasts-oldest-brewery-passes-to-the-next-generation
Beer Cocktails with Matt at Melville: https://craftypint.com/news/3604/beer-cocktails-with-matt-at-melville-simcoe-smash
Spangled Drongo Brewery: https://craftypint.com/brewery/865/spangled-drongo-brewery
Bearhug Pallet Wraps: https://craftypint.com/business/1428/bearhug-pallet-wraps
Be A Pint Of Origin Venue In 2025: https://craftypint.com/news/3591/be-a-pint-of-origin-host-venue-in-2025
The Gin Drinker's Toolkit Launch: https://craftypint.com/event/13493/gin-drinkers-toolkit-book-launch--gin-party--milton-common
Our breaking story on Moon Dog's plans for Docklands: https://craftypint.com/news/3219/marvel-ous-moon-dog-to-open-vast-docklands-brewpub
Building Moon Dog's World: https://craftypint.com/news/2198/building-moon-dogs-world
Sun Tap Decals: https://www.suntapdecals.com.au/
To find out more about supporting the show or otherwise partnering with The Crafty Pint, contact [email protected].
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There are few brewers anywhere in Australia with a pedigree to match that of Shawn Sherlock. For the past decade, he's been at the helm of FogHorn Brewery in Newcastle; prior to that he was at Murray's Brewing, helping the business grow from its roots in the Pub With No Beer in Taylors Arm (population: 133) to one of the country's envelope-pushing craft beer pioneers selling 1.5m litres per year at the time he moved on.
Even before that â when he was lecturing courses in Australian history in his hometown of Newcastle â he was an avid homebrewer; indeed, we can probably thank the Howard administration's swingeing cuts to Arts funding for kickstarting one of the finest brewing careers of the modern era.
As we were preparing to launch The Crafty Pint Podcast, Shawn was taking full control of FogHorn from Mighty Craft, the "craft beer accelerator" no longer involved in craft beer, which had bought into the business when his original partner was moving on. It meant we were keen to bring him onto the show to chat about his experiences working within different brewery ownership models â which he does.
That he is on the show this week is also in part due to his role in the creation of Brewcastle, an ale trail guide to Newcastle's best beer (and spirits) spots; FogHorn was the first new brewery to open in the city a decade ago and has since been joined by many others.
Over the course of the episode, we trace his career from its very start through the creation of many beers that were ahead of their time to his position today as a much-respected figure in the local beer community. He offers thoughts on the sort of business models that can succeed, what matters if you want to survive in brewing, and even gives some insight into creating great stouts, something he knows plenty about â he's got a few trophies as proof.
14:05 Start of the conversation with Shawn.
In the intro, we discuss a number of this week's stories and new beer releases; below are all relevant links:
Range open Rays in Camp Hill: https://craftypint.com/news/3596/range-open-a-second-suburban-bar-rays-in-camp-hill
Slipstream Social House opens on the Sunshine Coast: https://craftypint.com/event/13484/slipstream-social-house-opening-party
Doglands to open in Melbourne's Docklands: https://craftypint.com/news/3597/moon-dog-to-open-doglands-next-to-marvel-stadium-in-coming-days
Copper & Oak win WA Liquor Retailer of the Year: https://www.facebook.com/copperandoak/posts/pfbid02JDqmLAJn1Zs1CNoj3SqfsZjqE9Zuy6tVz9WjgavvrWkAiWZQkkkLRepq9R4hCeUNl
Black Arts to close: https://craftypint.com/news/3598/black-arts-brewers-and-blenders-to-close
Brew & A: Ted Carey: https://craftypint.com/news/3594/brew-and-a-ted-carey
Aussie Exports: Emma Elmslie: https://craftypint.com/news/3600/aussie-exports-emma-elmslie-shining-peak-nz
Green Gully Brett There Be Rock: https://craftypint.com/beer/10999/green-gully-island-beer-teri-grisette-24-and-brett-there-be-rock
Newcastle Becomes Brewcastle: https://craftypint.com/news/3599/newcastle-becomes-brewcastle-with-launch-of-new-ale-trail
Shawn takes full control of FogHorn: https://craftypint.com/news/3472/foghorn-founder-takes-full-control-of-brewery-as-mighty-craft-exit-craft
The creation of the Auld Bulgin' Boysterous Bicep: https://craftypint.com/news/423/never-mind-the-molluscs
To register for a WSET course with a 10% discount: https://craftypint.com/wset-beer-qualifications--australia
To find out more about supporting the show or otherwise partnering with The Crafty Pint, contact [email protected].
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When choosing guests for The Crafty Pint Podcast, we favour people we know have good stories to tell (which, in fairness, doesn't discount many people working in beer) and a particular area of knowledge, expertise or insight to share with listeners and viewers.
In the case of Amanda Baker â Bakes to most â they were high on our priority list but leapt to the top when Will spotted something odd going on with the Instagram account Lost Palms, the Gold Coast brewery at which they work. Everything the brewery had posted in seven years disappeared overnight to be replaced by a series of stark, mysterious posts.
Attention captured, Will suggested we get Bakes on straight away, which technically meant they were coming on for a discussion around social media, marketing and branding. But, as anyone who knows Bakes knows, we were never going to pin them down to something as straightforward as that.
So, settle in for a chat that, yes, looks at the new approach Lost Palms are taking and what sparked the change, but also examines branding more widely â not least as they're involved in the launch of new energy drink SAYG.
A year on from Bakes' appearance in one of our most widely read and discussed articles of 2023, Chronically Crafty, which explored working in beer with a chronic medical condition, we reflect on the impact that had and how to keep those discussions going.
Meanwhile, Bakes' recent trip to North America, where they stayed with meme legend, Wort Wrangler, brewed collabs with Seek Beer Co and Dominion City, forced themselves onto the Jester King workforce, and met up with Ren Navarro, the founder of Beer Diversity (now B.Diversity), sparks a conversation about community and diversity in beer.
Essentially, it's a few episodes rolled into one, with a preamble in which we discuss the phenomenal number of Oktoberfests in Australia this year, New South Wales' first off-grid brewery, Mick WĂŒst's deep dive into life in a sensory lab, and opening registrations for Pint of Origin 2025.
Links relevant to or referenced in the show:
Going Green: Frogs Hollow's Off-Grid Brewery: https://craftypint.com/news/3590/going-green-frogs-hollows-off-grid-brewery
A Yeast For The Senses: Life In A Sensory Lab: https://craftypint.com/news/3573/a-yeast-for-the-senses-life-inside-a-sensory-lab
Be Part Of Pint Of Origin 2025: https://craftypint.com/news/3591/be-a-pint-of-origin-host-venue-in-2025
Save 10% On Registrations For WSET's Beer Courses: https://tinyurl.com/j4eyfrty
Lost Palms' Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lostpalmsbrewingco/
SAYG: https://www.sayg.com.au/
Chronically Crafty: https://craftypint.com/news/3252/chronically-crafty-managing-health-in-the-beer-industry
Wort Wrangler: https://www.instagram.com/wortwrangler/
Ren Navarro: https://bdiversitygroup.com/about-ren
To find out more about supporting the show or otherwise partnering with The Crafty Pint, contact [email protected].
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We're pretty sure we've never seen anything close to the number of Oktoberfests taking place at breweries and bars around Australia as we're witnessing in 2024. So, as they started to ramp up, we sat down with Nathan Munt, co-founder and head brewer at King River Brewing, and a man who loves celebrating classic German and Belgian beer styles all year round.
He launched the brewery with his wife Brianna in the heart of the idyllic King Valley in the Victorian High Country back in 2016, with a lineup featuring an Altbier, Kolsch, and a style that had first made him fall in love with beer: a Belgian tripel called Waiting For Godot, for reasons explained in this episode of The Crafty Pint Podcast.
As well as sharing the story of how he went from a lover of food and wine to filling a garage with brewing equipment before swapping the world of banking for brewing trophy-winning beers, he discusses life running a small regional brewery, the joys of touring the High Country, sticking to his guns and brewing the styles he loves even as most of the industry was ignoring them, and his desire to see Kolsch properly understood and enjoyed in Australia. (Even if the pale ale he finally gave in and brewed five years after launching King River is now their best-seller...)
Links relevant to or referenced in the show:
Felons Brewing To Open Waterfront Venue In Manly: https://craftypint.com/news/3587/brisbane-based-felons-to-open-another-waterfront-venue-in-manly
Jervis Bay Brewing Co Become A B Corp Business: https://craftypint.com/news/3588/better-every-day-jervis-bay-become-a-b-corp
Behind Bars with Tristan Jallais of Natural Wine & Liquor: https://craftypint.com/news/3579/behind-bars-natural-science-wine-and-liquor
King River Brewing on The Crafty Pint: https://craftypint.com/brewery/352/king-river-brewing
Brew & A: Nathan Munt: https://craftypint.com/news/2942/brew-and-a-nathan-munt
Muntoberfest 2024: https://events.humanitix.com/muntoberfest-2024/tickets
To find out more about supporting the show or otherwise partnering with The Crafty Pint, contact [email protected].
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Gillian Letham only stepped behind the bar of The Mill on Constance to help out her partner and his mate. Eleven years later, while that venue â one of those that helped build Brisbaneâs beer scene â is long closed, she now oversees three venues around the city.
Theyâre all found in Brisbaneâs âburbs â The Oxford Tap House in Bulimba, The Woods in Mitchellton, Clover in Holland Park â leading our feature writer Mick WĂŒst to tag her the Queen of the Suburbs.
Just weeks after she opened Clover, she joined Mick and Craig Williams at The Woods for a chat about her unplanned move into craft beer bar operator, her role in helping to create and build Brewsvegas, and much more, including insights into the unique challenges that come with running suburban venues.
Links relevant to or referenced in the show:
Details of the ATOâs proposed changes: https://craftypint.com/news/3582/submissions-open-on-atos-excise-draft
IBA launches Economic Data Needs Analysis: https://independentbrewers.org.au/2024/09/23/iba-launches-economic-data-needs-analysis/
Phenomenal Phat To Phire Up Hillarys Boat Harbour: https://craftypint.com/news/3580/phenomenal-phat-to-phire-up-hillarys-boat-harbourGillian Letham's entry in our end of 2010s Advent Calendar: https://craftypint.com/news/2250/craftys-advent-calendar-gillian-letham
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Thereâs a good chance youâve heard or read the word terpenes being bandied about the beer world of late. If you havenât, thereâs a very good chance you will at some point.
What we can confirm with certainty is that you have definitely had them in a beer â theyâre aromatic compounds found in most plants and herbs, including hops. The reason theyâve become one of the hot terms of 2024 for brewers, suppliers and beer geeks, however, is the way theyâre now being provided to and used by brewers in beers.
Without giving too much away â not least because youâll gain a much better understanding from listening to the experts in this podcast episode â brewers now have access to terpenes in concentrated form which allows them to add specific characters to their beers, whether thatâs enhancing a particular fruitiness in a pale ale or giving an IPA an aroma very much like the one emanating from the cupboard of your uni weed dealer.
Theyâre one of a growing number of new tools at the disposal of brewers, so we invited one who has been among the first to jump on them in Australia, Scott McKinnon of Wolf of the Willows, and Sam Bethune, who handles technical sales for Bintani, onto the show to tell us all about them: what they are, where they come from, how theyâre used, and why they like them.
Thatâs only part of the discussion, however. Before we get to the technical stuff, they share their stories: how they fell in love with craft beer and later ended up making it their livelihood.
Scottâs story starts out as a ski bum on the slopes of Colorado, while Samâs begins while touring the States in another guise â with a mate whoâs also now in beer. With Wolf of the Willowsâ tenth anniversary coming up, we chat about their XPA â one of the very first in Australia â and their evolution as a brewing company, while Sam takes us back to his days as Fixationâs first head brewer at the Incubator and to the High Country and the small hop farm heâs nurturing.
Come for the knowledge, stay for the laughs!
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
Sydney Royal Beer & Cider Awards winners: https://craftypint.com/news/3575/more-trophy-success-for-esker-beer-co-in-sydney
Last Rites & T-Bone Move In Together: https://craftypint.com/news/3569/t-bone-and-last-rites-move-in-together
A Taste Of Old Blighty: https://craftypint.com/news/3572/a-taste-of-old-blighty
Turning Towards Terpenes: https://craftypint.com/news/3363/turning-towards-terpenes
Wolf of the Willowsâ terpene beers: https://craftypint.com/beer/10433/wolf-of-the-willows-gelato | https://craftypint.com/beer/10259/wolf-of-the-willows-king-louis-xiii | https://craftypint.com/beer/10189/wolf-of-the-willows-pineapple-express-california-ipa
In Hop Pursuits: A Guide To New Hop Products: https://craftypint.com/news/3559/in-hop-pursuit-a-guide-to-new-hop-products
Australiaâs Generation XPA: https://craftypint.com/news/2844/australias-generation-xpa
Sydney Beer Week: https://sydneybeerweek.com.au/
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Derek Lacey is a former medical researcher who, while spending time as a stay-at-home dad, had a "Eureka!" moment that led to the creation of Melbourne-based Bluestone Yeast.
The business launched in 2018, providing local liquid yeasts for brewers, and has been growing ever since to the point that, at time of writing, Derek and his team are putting the finishing touches to a new, far larger production facility. Given said facility is around 800m from Crafty Towers, we felt it was the ideal time to invite him onto the show.
He joined us in the studio for a chat about how he came to swap medical research for his new career, the challenges and triumphs he and the brewers he works with have experienced along the way, what it's like operating as a small indie producer supplying craft brewers and those making beer in their homes, his future plans to diversify, and the lessons learned along the way.
As someone who was born in Ireland, albeit having moved to Australia as a child, he has the gift of the gab and shares as many stories as he does insight on life at a yeast manufacturing business.
In the intro to this episode, we also discuss the latest news, including new openings and the ongoing travails of some local businesses.
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
The Mill at The Bendigo Hotel: https://craftypint.com/brewery/394/the-mill-brewery-at-the-bendigo-hotel
The latest changes at Dainton Beer: https://craftypint.com/news/3562/daintons-taphouses-reopen-weeks-after-their-sudden-closure
James discussing beer on ABC Brisbane, around 1h23m here: https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/brisbane-afternoons/afternoons/104277890
Bluestone Yeast: https://craftypint.com/business/1312/bluestone-yeast-co
Breeding new yeasts: https://craftypint.com/news/3511/the-breeders-bringing-new-brewing-yeasts-to-life
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FOUND. only launched in 2023 but the story behind one of WA's rising stars goes back far longer and takes in many of the state's best-known breweries and best-loved beers.
We sat down with two of the brewery's key players, Steve Finney and Will Irving, at the former Golden West brewpub in Subiaco as they were midway through turning it into a home for FOUND. It's due to open to the public for summer 2024, with the first brew taking place onsite the same week this episode was published.
Once open, it will give the team three venues in WA. Faced with ongoing delays to their original plan to open a sizeable production brewery and hospo venue in East Perth, they instead started out with FOUND.LAB in Byford, a 45-minute drive south of Perth, and have since opened a pop-up bar in Maylands.
This episode of the podcast covers their respective backstories, their first meetings at Feral's brewpub in the Swan Valley and subsequent time together at the iconic brewery, their vision for FOUND. â including how they're trying to create the ideal beer business and conceptualise what a modern Australian brewery venue should be, their thoughts on the future of beer in WA and further afield, bringing new people into the world of craft beer, and plenty more besides.
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
FOUND.LAB: https://craftypint.com/brewery/819/found-lab
FOUND. Taking Over Former Golden West Site In Subiaco: https://craftypint.com/news/3443/found-taking-over-former-golden-west-site-in-subiaco
Brew & A ft Will Irving from his time at Feral: https://craftypint.com/news/1086/brew-and-a-will-from-feral-brewing
The Story Of Hop Hog At Ten: https://craftypint.com/news/1921/the-story-of-hop-hog-at-ten
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Rocky Ridge gave the beer lovers of Melbourne a boost midway through 2024 with the news they had acquired Thunder Road Brewery in Brunswick in order to establish an East Coast outpost. While availability of their beers in the eastern states has been relatively limited, in their home state of Western Australia the brewery took little time forging a fine reputation after launching in 2017; today, they're well-established as one of WA's finest.
They've picked up a stack of trophies over the years, have a tight core range, produce a phenomenal amount of limited releases, and are in no way afraid to experiment â nothing, it seems, is off limits. More than that, however, is their approach to brewing, business, community and the planet. Born on co-founder Hamish Coates' family farm in Jindong, not far from Busselton in the South West, the brewery he launched with partner Mel Holland operates off grid, is always exploring ways in which to brew more sustainably, has been involved in multi-partner projects to develop new products, and is a shining example of how breweries can lead the way.
Even the decision to buy Thunder Road was driven by a desire to stop sending beer across the Nullarbor and instead produce beer for customers in the east in the east. We sat down with Hamish in the bluestone cottage attached to the Brunswick brewery the day before they signed the deal for a conversation covering all of the above and more. The chat was recorded before we'd set up our podcast studio so is audio-only.
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
Froth Town 2024: https://www.froth.town/
Phat Brew Club: https://craftypint.com/brewery/731/phat-brew-club
Ten Lessons From Ten Years: Bendigo On The Hop: https://craftypint.com/news/3558/ten-lessons-from-ten-years-bendigo-on-the-hop
Rocky Ridge Buy Thunder Road: https://craftypint.com/news/3468/rocky-ridge-buy-thunder-road
Brewing A More Sustainable Future: https://craftypint.com/news/3202/brewing-a-more-sustainable-future
24 Hour Barley People: https://craftypint.com/news/2864/24-hour-barley-people
Rocky Ridge Brunswick Pre-Opening Drinks: https://craftycabal.com/member-events
Meet The Brewer Oktoberfest Special: https://craftypint.com/event/13406/meet-the-brewer-oktoberfest-special-ft-king-river
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Few venues have made an impact on their city's beer scene quite like Brewski, the Brisbane venue opened by Antoinette Pollock and Matt Emmerson back in 2013.
It was one of the first to wholeheartedly embrace craft beer and, along with its notable peers and the teams behind each of them, helped create one of the most colourful, creative and welcoming beer communities in Australia. Fired by a love of big beers and outlandish events, Brewski's reputation spread far beyond Brewsvegas, becoming a second home for many.
In July 2024, Matt and Ant announced they'd made the hard decision to close; changing economic realities meant continuing to operate such a venue in the heart of Caxton Street was no longer viable.
Given all they'd brought to the local beer world, we asked them to join us for a chat about the Brewski years, their approach to running multifaceted beer venues, the rise of craft beer, the future for beer bars, marketing and plenty more.
Then, two days before this show was published, we learned there was a silver lining: they're opening another My Beer Dealer bar-bottleshop in Fortitude Valley and have, of course, grand plans for their new baby: they want it to be one of the biggest drink-in bottle shops in the country.
Also discussed in the episode are the collapse of Valhalla Brewing and associated beer distribution business Lotus, plus the news that Brisbane brewers Slipstream are opening a venue on the Sunshine Coast.
NB: The main interview was recorded prior to The Crafty Pint Podcast launching and is audio-only. There's some inconsistency in the sound, in part due to recording in the venue, but there's much to enjoy in the discussion too, hosted by Mick WĂŒst and Craig Williams.
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
Valhalla Liquidation Impacting Multiple Indie Brewers: https://craftypint.com/news/3552/valhalla-brewing-to-be-liquidated-multiple-indie-brewers-counting-the-cost
Slipstream Opening On Sunshine Coast: https://craftypint.com/news/3549/slipstream-to-open-a-venue-on-the-sunshine-coast
Brewski To Close: https://craftypint.com/news/3507/brewski-to-close-after-a-decade-of-beers
Ten Lessons From Ten Years: Brewski â https://craftypint.com/news/3288/brewski-ten-lessons-from-ten-years
Bendigo On The Hop 2024: https://www.bendigobeer.com/both-2024
The Crafty Cabal: https://craftycabal.com/
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Few people in Australia have put as much craft beer into as many venues as Tom Delmont.
He was Mountain Goat's first ever sales rep â forcing his way into the role and leaving the world of entomology behind â before moving on from the Melbourne icons when they sold to Asahi, later founding IPA-centric brewing company Fixation with the founders of Stone & Wood.
He left Fixation a few weeks prior to recording this show, joining carbon accounting platform Zevero, and on the podcast shares stories from his colourful career in beer as well as insights into the art of selling beer and building beer brands.
Anyone that's met him over his two decades in beer will know he's a great storyteller and has a genuine love for good beer that surpasses pretty much everyone else on the planet.
As an aside, hours after we recorded the show, both he then we learned that Lion had taken the decision to close the Incubator â Fixation's brewpub in Melbourne â hence the late insert into the show. The brand and IPAs will live on, however.
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
Froth Town 2024: https://www.froth.town/
Bendigo On The Hop 2024: https://www.bendigobeer.com/both-2024
Lord Nelson sold to Laundy Hotels: https://craftypint.com/news/3545/laundy-hotels-buy-the-lord-nelson
Burnley Brewing to close their Richmond taproom: https://craftypint.com/news/3548/burnley-brewing-to-close-their-richmond-taproom
Zevero launches in Australia: https://craftypint.com/news/3539/zeveros-mission-to-help-breweries-cut-emissions
NB: around 47 minutes in, you might pick up a slight buzzing sound coming and going. We're not sure what's caused this given we didn't pause or restart the recording before that point, but we'll attempt to find out what caused it before the next show...
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The 2024 Indies awards took place in Perth for the first time on August 2, and The Crafty Pint was there to enjoy the celebrations that took place a few hours after the WA Beer & Brewing Conference.
The following morning, we sat down with new Independent Brewers Association chair Callum Reeves, also co-founder of KAIJU! Beer, for a wide-ranging chat about the awards, his new role, the challenges facing indie brewers â including insight on the impact of bi-annual excise tax hikes, new partnerships and key goals for the IBA.
There's also reaction from some of the Indies winners on the night, a look back at our event with FOUND., and a look forward to upcoming Crafty events featuring Phat Brew Club and Rocky Ridge.
If you'd like to find out more about partnering with The Crafty Pint Podcast, contact [email protected]
Links referenced in or relevant to the show:
Indies 2024 winners: https://craftypint.com/news/3538/uraidla-win-champion-beer-at-the-2024-indies-with-a-ripa-of-a-beer
Max Bowering Slays Beer: https://craftypint.com/news/3532/max-bowering-slays-beer
Episode 002 featuring Lindsay Astarita: https://craftypint.com/news/3534/episode-002-lindsay-astarita-of-stomping-ground
WA Craft Beer Strategy: https://www.wabeer.com.au/wa-craft-beer-strategy/
IBA's call to the Federal Government on excise tax: https://craftypint.com/news/3540/the-iba-asks-how-much-more-can-we-pay-for-beer
FOUND.'s plans for Subiaco: https://craftypint.com/news/3443/found-taking-over-former-golden-west-site-in-subiaco
Boundary Island: https://craftypint.com/news/3168/who-brews-boundary-island-beers
Alice Springs: https://craftypint.com/news/3233/alice-springs-brewing-co-five-years-in-five-beers
Phat Brew Club event: https://craftypint.com/event/13346/pre-froth-town-frothies--feed
Point Break Brewery International: https://www.blackmansbrewery.com.au/point-break-brewery-invitational/
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Lindsay has developed the sensory and quality program at a brewery that has a happy knack of winning major trophies. The tale of how she ended up in that position, after years spent travelling the world seeking out good beer wherever she went, is an excellent one. She's about to head back to her home country, the US, so we needed to get her on quickly. As with many of the ongoing series on the main website, we're keen to use the podcast as a platform to shine a light on people in all parts of the beer world, not just owners or founders. And, as a mutual friend from outside the beer world put it, Lindsay is a superstar.
So, following our debut episode with Sailors Grave, here she is as the star of the second show.
Our chat with Lindsay features insights into how installing quality programs can help breweries produce consistently great beer, the importance of beer education, and the day in the life of a beer judge â as well as Lindsay's personal journey from beer-loving traveller working front of house to someone who's just landed a gig judging at this year's Great American Beer Festival.
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Chris and Gab Moore are the visionaries behind Sailors Grave Brewing, the East Gippsland brewery that's different in pretty much every way you can imagine: from the artwork designed by a British children's book illustrator and unusual ingredients to the amazing partnerships they've forged throughout their home region and further afield.
We invited them on to tell us about the impending arrival of Dunetown â the brewery and venue on their farmland near Cape Conran that will see them bring their original vision to life â as well as their pre-brewing life in Sydney hospo, their focus on sustainable practices and the importance of staying true to yourselves.
Before the chat with Chris and Gab, we outline our intentions for the weekly podcast and have a chat about some of the latest news from the Australian beer scene. Look out for a special guest who's very excited about the upcoming Blackman's Point Break Brewery Invitational too!
Links referenced in the show: Two-part mini-series on voluntary administrations: https://craftypint.com/news/3489/the-secret-brewer-voluntary-administration & https://craftypint.com/news/3490/the-secret-brewer-voluntary-administration-part-ii
Article on the state of play in beer, Shift Happens: https://craftypint.com/news/3500/2024-mid-year-report-shift-happens
Seeker's Tiny Tins: https://craftypint.com/news/3522/seeker-take-flight-with-tiny-tins
Holgate Brewhouse's People's Choice: https://craftypint.com/news/3521/vote-for-holgates-25-years-of-beers-peoples-choice
Sailors Grave Brewing: https://sailorsgravebrewing.com/ Point Break Brewery International: https://www.blackmansbrewery.com.au/point-break-brewery-invitational/
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