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The Future of Proof with Polymer and Lagrange! Discover how the Internet of Verifiability is transforming trust, how ZK TLS enables privacy-preserving apps, and what it means to bridge Ethereum's finality barrier. Ismael and Bo explore the challenges of cross-chain apps, the role of digital identity, and why scaling solutions are critical for blockchain's future.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:50 Internet of Verifiability Explained
04:59 The Power of ZK TLS
08:13 The Role of Decentralized Trust
13:19 Digital Identity and Custody Risks
18:04 Breaking Ethereum's Finality Barrier
24:11 Challenges in Cross-Chain Apps
30:18 How Polymer and Lagrange Collaborate
34:47 The First IBC Implementation
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Julien and Lucas share insights on the push toward regulated decentralised exchanges, the rise of stablecoins by major companies, and the role of global politics, including the impact of Trump’s crypto policies and Europe’s regulatory approach. Truly reflecting on the philosophical balance between decentralisation and pragmatism, questioning what it means for the blockchain ecosystem as it matures and reshapes the financial world.
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00:00 Introduction and Key Themes
01:31 Stablecoins and Regulation
03:10 Trump’s Crypto Impact on Europe
06:50 The DeFi Renaissance
11:09 Regulation, Clarity, and Innovation
17:14 Are Rollups Solving Anything?
22:30 Tokens vs. Utility in DeFi
26:39 The Convergence of DeFi and TradFi
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Bitcoin staking is here, and the debate is heating up. At the Staking Summit 2024, Mirko from Staking Rewards and Felix from Symbiotic dive into the latest trends: the growing role of restaking, Bitcoin’s proof-of-stake potential, and the institutional capital fueling innovation. They also explore how Ethereum, Cosmos, and Bitcoin are converging in unexpected ways, and why meme coins might still be the crypto industry’s best experiment.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Staking Summit Highlights
02:10 Growth of Staking Summits
04:18 Bitcoin Staking and Proof of Stake
07:45 Ethereum Meets Cosmos, Then Bitcoin
10:21 Restaking's Role in Crypto Infrastructure
14:02 Institutional Capital and Meme Coins
18:06 New Use Cases for Staking
20:20 Symbiotic vs. Eigenlayer: Key Differences
26:26 Meme Coins and Infrastructure Impacts
30:02 Symbiotic Mainnet and Future Plans
31:43 Closing Thoughts and Upcoming Events
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What does it take to make staking profitable?
Angela Kreitenweis from Token Engineering Academy and Robert Koschig of 1kx dive into the intricacies of staking mechanisms, tokenomics, and protocol design.
From analyzing validator costs to rethinking inflationary rewards, they reveal what works—and what doesn’t—in crypto ecosystems.
Tune in for a deep dive into profitability, risk management, and the evolving economics of staking networks.
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TOPICS
00:00 Welcome and Introductions
01:27 Angela’s Journey in Tokenomics
03:09 Robert’s Insights from 1kx
05:10 Profitability for Validators vs Delegators
07:30 Staking Mechanism Design Challenges
10:13 The Role of Skin in the Game
13:08 Protocol Standards and Feedback Loops
17:03 Validator Costs and Revenue Analysis
23:37 Inflation, Debt, and Protocol Sustainability
29:12 Final Thoughts and Takeaways
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In this conversation, host Sebastien Couture and guest Robert Kelley dive deep into the ethos and challenges of the Cosmos ecosystem, examining the unique elements that set Cosmos apart from other crypto projects. From the complex vision of sovereign interoperability to the communication hurdles that come with decentralized communities, they discuss how Cosmos stands out as a network of networks. Rob shares his perspective on community-building initiatives like the “Slow Blink Oath,” aiming to foster better communication within Cosmos. Tune in to hear insights on Cosmos’s evolution and why it might be on the path to becoming the “Linux” of crypto.
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TOPICS
01:23 Robert’s Background in Cosmos
03:25 Organizational Psychology and Cosmos
06:10 Ecosystem Challenges and Differences
08:02 Cosmos' Unique Position in Tech
11:57 Cosmos' Strengths and Obstacles
13:13 Market Perception Shifts
20:34 Pep Talk for Cosmos Community
23:15 Cosmos Branding and Identity
27:00 The Slow Blink CommunityGUEST
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Sunny Aggarwal sits down with Sebastien Couture to discuss Cosmos’s evolving identity and why it might be time to rebrand the ecosystem as “Interchain.” Together, they explore the challenges Cosmos faces around liquidity, EVM compatibility, and the risks of having too many competing innovations. Sunny also shares insights on Osmosis’s next big moves, including Polaris, the new bridge and DEX aggregator, and ideas on integrating AI within blockchain. From interoperability to community focus, this episode captures the big questions shaping Cosmos and DeFi’s future.
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TOPICS
01:30 Cosmos’ Innovation Pitfalls
05:15 The Importance of Focus in Blockchain
10:00 Challenges with EVM and Cosmos SDK
14:30 The Case for Rebranding Cosmos
18:08 Polaris: A Game-Changer for DEXs
24:45 Improving Cross-Chain Swap UX
29:00 Blockchain Meets AI Sovereignty
33:00 Future Prospects for CosmosGUESTS
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In this episode, Sebastien Couture and Valentin Pletnev of Quasar discuss Cosmos’s latest trends, challenges, and the increasing need for liquidity across the ecosystem. Valeyo shares insights on how Bitcoin and Ethereum liquidity could transform Cosmos, with projects like Babylon, Noble, and Osmosis leading the way. They explore the possibility of rebranding Cosmos and embracing EVM compatibility to attract new assets and users. Valentin also shares updates on Quasar’s work in creating innovative yield products and the emerging importance of BTC-focused DeFi for Cosmos. This episode dives deep into Cosmos’s path forward and the strategies that could position it as a central player in decentralized finance.
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TOPICS
00:00 Intro
01:00 The Cosmoverse Vibes
02:30 Liquidity Challenges in Cosmos
05:50 EVM Expansion
08:30 Cosmos to Ethereum Transitioning
12:00 Cosmos Ecosystem Perception
14:00 Strategies for Attracting Liquidity
17:00 Rollups vs App Chains
20:00 Unlocking BTC Liquidity for Cosmos
24:00 Quasar’s Vision
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In this episode, Mitya Argunov, co-founder of Drop, explores the transformative potential of liquid staking across DeFi. He discusses Drop’s journey, the challenges of cross-chain liquidity, and why Cosmos and Celestia ecosystems play a critical role in the future of decentralized finance. Mitya shares insights on upcoming token unlocks, the impact of modular chains, and how Drop is creating more utility for staked assets. Join us for a deep dive into the future of cross-chain applications and Cosmos’ next chapter.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction and TIA's Importance
01:46 Drop’s Growth and Testing in DeFi
04:58 Celestia's Impact on Multi-Sig Security
06:54 Market Impact of TIA Unlock
09:00 Cross-Chain Staking Potential
12:04 Fragmented Ecosystem Challenges
15:28 Cosmos and Celestia Restaking
17:45 Utility of Liquid Stake Tokens
18:30 Expanding Drop Beyond Cosmos
21:28 Community-Driven Approach
24:26 Cosmos’ Urgency for Innovation
27:25 Enhancing Liquid Staking ExperienceGUESTS
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At Cosmoverse 2024, Spaydh from Neutron and Max Einhorn from Valence dive into the future of Cosmos and the race to take crypto innovation mainstream. They discuss their “wartime mode” approach to building products, cross-chain liquidity, and expanding Cosmos’ reach into EVM and non-Cosmos ecosystems. Spaydh and Max envision Cosmos as a tech hub with products people actually want, breaking out of the Cosmos “bubble” to create integrated, user-focused DeFi applications. Tune in for insights on IBC, Cosmos Hub’s evolving role, and why the future of crypto demands bigger thinking.
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TOPICS
00:00 Intro
03:59 - Resolving issues in Cosmos
09:55 - IBC adoption & IBC Eureka
13:10 - Bringing liquidity into Cosmos
16:58 - Valence's partnership with Neutron
27:12 - Running on Cosmos hub security
29:32 - Opportunities for the hubGUESTS
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Sebastien Couture talks with Greg Osuri, founder of Akash, about Cosmos’ resilience, the push for decentralized AI, and the tech breakthroughs happening with Cosmos’ appchain model. Greg shares why Nvidia and other big names are exploring decentralized GPUs on Akash, how Cosmos can support open-source AI to avoid Big Tech control, and why Cosmos is seen as the “cockroach” of crypto—tough, resilient, and essential for the future of blockchain and AI. Tune in to learn how Cosmos tech is disrupting both AI and cloud computing.
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Sebastien Couture and Farmer, CEO of Defi Dojo Validator,Æ explore the shifting landscape of DeFi, meme coins, and Cosmos. Farmer shares why meme coins have captured the market’s attention, how communities like Defi Dojo evaluate yield farming opportunities, and what’s driving the explosive interest in AI-generated meme coins. Dive into the mechanics of points farming, the market’s “bag bias,” and the evolving role of Cosmos SDK in today’s DeFi scene. Whether you’re a DeFi nerd or just curious about crypto’s latest trends, this episode has it all.TOPICS
04:20 - The next big prospect in Defi
07:29 - The Appeal of Meme Coins
15:20 - Key indicators for Meme Coins
21:44 - Doge Coins & other classic Meme Coins
25:34 - Bag biasSOCIALS
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Join Cryptocito and Sebastien Couture as they dive into the intense planning behind Cosmoverse 2024 and the evolving identity of Cosmos. From the unique challenges of hosting events in Dubai to Cosmos’ growing pains and its brand identity debate, they reveal what it takes to rally the interchain’s true believers. Learn why Cosmos’ ecosystem could be the Linux of crypto, how it's responding to brand challenges, and why events like Cosmoverse are crucial—even if they’re “financial nightmares.”GUESTS
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Mitya Argunov, Co-Founder of Drop, highlights the need for a new liquid staking protocol in the Cosmos ecosystem, emphasizing its integration with DeFi partners to enhance liquidity and use cases. Drop, built on Neutron, allows users to stake ATOM tokens, receive dATOM, and participate in DeFi, with plans to expand to Celestia and integrate with other roll-ups.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction
04:12 Drop Launch
06:36 Droplets Explained
10:43 Native Staking & The Interchain
20:04 Another LST?
28:23 Beyond the Hub: What’s Next?
31:58 Future Assets
36:39 Drop vs Milkyway
40:35 Celestia Liquid Staking
43:15 Liquid Staking Opportunities
47:41 Drop Architecture
52:43 Exchange Rate Secrets
62:15 How to Use Drop Today
GUESTS
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I sat down with Dean Tribble CEO of Agoric at Nebular Summit to chat chain abstraction, Agoric's implementation of Chain Orchestration and how these technologies improve applications and user experience in crypto.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction
01:17 Chain Orchestration
08:01 Interoperability
10:23 User Experience & Safety
16:54 Crypto Regulations
24:24 NFT's
25:25 Building with Agoric
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Join us on this episode as we dive into the future of Ethereum Layer 2 solutions with the CEO of Omni! Omni is revolutionizing the way developers build across different Ethereum Layer 2 solutions by providing a robust messaging layer and compute layer. By solving the fragmentation issue, Omni taps into liquidity from different networks, facilitating seamless cross-chain applications in the Ethereum ecosystem. Its architecture includes a secure messaging layer for roll-up communication and an EVM-based compute layer, ensuring interoperability and collateral management across roll-ups. Secured through restaking, with nodes offering services backed by restaked ETH, Omni's future looks promising. With advancements in AI and natural language programming, the landscape of alternative VMs like Move and Wasm could further evolve, enhancing the Ethereum ecosystem's capabilities. Join us in exploring Omni's innovative solutions for Ethereum Layer 2!
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00:00 - Introduction11:12 - Blockchain Social-Fi Apps and Their Relevance
16:05 - Ethereum is Confused
23:58 - Vision and Architecture of Omni
30:57 - Omni as a Roll-Up as a Service Platform
35:18 - Enabling Cross-Chain Applications with Omni
42:40 - Securing Omni through Restaking
52:15 - The Future of Alternative VMs
56:19 - The Potential of AI
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Valence enables programmatic economic relationships between protocols. This allows crypto-native institutions (e.g., appchains & DAOs) to engage in complex financial interactions.
Valence is live today with two sub-protocols in private beta:
The Rebalancer lets protocols set desired portfolio targets and efficiently rebalance over time. Covenants enable crypto-native institutions to lend protocol-owned liquidity (POL).
A key innovation is the ability to create POL markets, which is crucial for restaking. Valence ensures AVSs know exactly how much liquidity they will receive, making restaking protocols more attractive and generating new revenue sources.Valence is to liquidity what EigenLayer is to security.
Beyond restaking, Valence enhances alignment between ecosystems and drives the future of the decentralized economy.
Learn how Valence’s crypto-native institutional debt markets improve cross-ecosystem alignment and drive the future of the DeFi economy.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction
02:06 Building Timewave & Valence
07:37 Valence Endgame
13:05 Bringing Institutional Capital to Crypto
16:55 What Valence Enables
22:09 Rebalancer
24:53 Covenants
31:04 Expressing Intent
38:16 Valence Architecture
41:07 Cosmos Hub Outlook
52:17 Protocol Monetary Policy
58:10 Final ThoughtsLINKS
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Lorenzo is a Cosmos chain that leverages BTC shared security and enables liquid staking. In this conversation, Seb and Matt discuss the resurgence of interest in Bitcoin, particularly in the context of DeFi. They also explore the concept of liquid staking for Bitcoin and how it differs from liquid staking in proof-of-stake chains. Matt explains the architecture of Lorenzo, a Bitcoin liquid staking protocol built on the Cosmos chain, and how it leverages Babylon. They also touch on the different approaches to Bitcoin L2s and the importance of liquid staking to the success of the Bitcoin L2 ecosystem.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:01 The Bitcoin Renaissance
00:05:13 Technical Improvements Enabling Bitcoin L2s & OP_CAT
00:12:51 Different Approaches to Bitcoin L2s
00:17:58 Could Bitcoin Become a POS Chain?
00:23:00 What is Lorenzo
00:28:29 The Dual Token Model & Yield Sources
00:30:36 Lorenzo Architecture
00:49:14 BTC-Fi
00:57:17 Current Status of LorenzoLINKS
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Passage improves virtual experiences and collaboration, making them more organic and immersive and better reflecting the way we interact in real life. For creators, Passage is a platform that enables nearly unlimited creative freedom thanks to its use of the Unreal Engine. This allows creators to build unique experiences for their communities. How does this relate to crypto? The $PASG token is the economic foundation for a new creator economy where community members own their identity and digital assets.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:17:09 Is the Metaverse Dead?
00:22:06 What is Passage
00:31:10 How to Use Passage
00:35:39 Crypto-Enabled Communities
00:41:29 Cosmos SDK Architecture
00:44:21 Akash Partnership
00:53:59 Passage Elite
00:57:38 RoadmapLINKS
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Abstract is an Interchain app platform enabling developers to build across CosmWasm-supported chains. Apps built with Abstract get automatic integrations with Interchain DEXes, lending markets, oracles, and liquid staking protocols.
The core infrastructure is the Abstract Account, a smart contract wallet extendable with Abstract modules. One exciting use case is mesh applications, where chains form an Interchain DAO to vote on and fund public goods at a supra-chain level.
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TOPICS
00:00 Introduction
02:33 CosmWasm Berlin Hackathon
10:14 Evolution of CosmWasm
15:20 What is Abstract
24:21 Security
32:06 Abstract-JS
34:36 Integrations
36:11 Modulars
37:48 IBC Email
40:50 Abstract & EVM appsGUESTS
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Join us in this episode where we discover how Initia's vertically integrated tech stack seamlessly connects their L1s with application-specific L2 chains, enabling efficient inter-chain communication and solving the traditional fragmentation of multichain systems. We also explore the variety of development tools available (EVM, MoveVM & WasmVM), which simplify app deployment and significantly reduce the complexity for developers.
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TOPICS
00:00:00 Introduction
00:08:36 Appchains Debate
00:14:35 Tackling Fragmentation
00:17:31 Building on Initia
00:25:05 Inside L2s
00:27:13 Role of Sequencers
00:29:26 Scaling Limits
00:30:33 L1s Services
00:36:13 IBC Implementation
00:37:57 Custom Modules
00:40:06 OPinit Stack
00:41:59 VMs Integration
00:48:03 RaaS Market Competition
00:52:59 Testnet OpportunitiesLINKS
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