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  • In a world where every conversation or statement can spark intense debates, how do you maintain your composure and stay true to your values? Join Trisha, Nate, and Mac as they dive into a conversation about managing both online and in person engagement with empathy, leading through political tensions, and making a meaningful impact on a local level.

    Mac McCarthy has been in Christian ministry for over 15 years. As a pastor, practitioner, and coach, he is passionate about equipping leaders by integrating missional theology, spiritual formation, family systems, and adaptive leadership to navigate congregational change.

    Nate Pyle is a pastor, author, and coach. He has over 25 years in Christian ministry, and during that time Nate began learning and practicing skills related to adaptive leadership, congregational revitalization, family systems, emotional maturity, and spiritual formation.

    Key Points

    Engaging on Social Media Dialogue over Provocation Outrage vs. Conviction Maintaining Perspective and Empathy Recognizing Limitations Managing Anxiety and Maintaining Emotional Maturity

    References

    The Colossian Forum

    Ten Arguments for Deleting Your Social Media Accounts Right Now by Jaron Lanier

  • Note: This podcast is part one of a three-part series on trauma-informed leadership. You can find it in the podcast archives of our website on dates January 23, Feb 13 and Feb 27 of 2019.

    Trauma is real and leaders who understand the effects of trauma in their own lives and in the lives of others are less likely to be sabotaged by trauma and are more likely to lead in ways that turn out to be healthy and lifegiving.

    Conversation overview:

    Trauma and leadership

    Trauma can hinder and stimulate growth

    Unaddressed trauma in leaders is dangerous

    How do we access trauma?

    Experiencing other people's trauma

    Leaders may be survivors of trauma; leaders are also leading survivors of trauma

    The past is always present

    Resources:

    The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog

    The Body Keeps the Score

    Healing Developmental Trauma

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  • Change happens at the speed of conversation.

    This episode is about learning to master transformation conversations from our six-part series on leadership practices that lead to breakthrough. If you’d like to learn more about this series or our organizational coaching and leadership development services you can contact us using our website, https://theleadersjourney.us/contact

    Conversation Overview God created with God’s words. What do our words enroll people in? Enrolling people in hope The 3 parts of a transformation conversation How are you going to practice?

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  • We know that our lives and our leadership flourish when we practice showing up in emotionally mature ways but we don’t always know what that looks like practically. After thinking together about emotional maturity for more than 20 years, we believe that it looks like practicing being both defined and connected as a way of life.

    In this podcast, we talk about defining ourselves, letting others define themselves, staying appropriately connected . . . and then we look at the “and” that holds them all together. It’s a little bit like patting your head and rubbing your tummy–trying to do both things at once is a challenge! We think it’s worth it, though. We hope you’ll join us to look at how the concept of being defined and connected shows up in your life and how you can use it as a framework to think through some of your stickiest problems.

    Conversation overview: Defining ourselves by clearly and courageously saying what is so for us Allowing (and even inviting) others to define themselves Staying appropriately connected and honoring our relationships with others even if they see things differently Connecting by listening rather than convincing Disagreeing without dehumanizing each other Looking at your patterns: Do you give up defining yourself in order to preserve the connection? Do you define yourself but let go of the connection? Examples of practice A visual representation Resources:

    How did Jesus deal with Conflict?

    Growing Yourself Up by Jenny Brown

  • In the latest episode of The Leader's Journey Podcast, explore the nuances of navigating misuse and abuse of authority with Jim and Trisha. In a candid discussion, they delve into crucial topics: from recognizing various forms of abuse to implementing proactive measures for prevention. With clarity and empathy, they outline practical steps and resources every leader should consider to create safer environments. Whether you're new to these discussions or well-versed, their approachable style and wealth of experience make this episode a must-listen. Join Jim and Trisha as they equip listeners with tools to foster healthier, more informed organizational cultures.

    Conversation Overview

    Overview of previous episodes Reporting Abuse What are you pretending not to know? Risks of and Responses to Confrontation Taking a Victim Centric Approach Awareness of Triggers Communication is Key Recognizing Culpability Doing Your Part

    Podcast Series

    Power Dynamics

    Power Dynamics for Trustworthy and Transformative Leaders

    Power Dynamics and Conflict

    The Balance of Power: How Leaders Balance Authority and Vulnerability Creating Space for Flourishing.

    Trauma Informed

    An Introduction to Trauma for Leaders Part 1

    An Introduction to Trauma for Leaders Part 2

    An Introduction to Trauma for Leaders Part 3

    Links and Resources

    Matt Tebbe: Some Common Tactics Used to Avoid Justice

    Church Cares Website

    Net Grace Website - While we don't recommend particular groups for consulting because each group has its own unique approach and we recommend each individual do their research to determind what is best for them,we absolutely recommend the resources on the GRACE page.

    A Church Called Tov

    Bully Pulpit

    When Narcissism Comes to Church

  • Join Jim and Trisha as they discuss how assigned authority affects our lives with their guest Ryan Donovan. Take the time to listen to the hard questions being asked about how the role of authority in today's world has shifted and changed. Ryan Donovan is a licensed counselor who lives in Austin, Texas who loves the outdoors. He plays fastpitch softball in his free time, and his life experience has equipped him in some really important ways to join in this conversation. Ryan is also involved in coaching with The Leader's Journey. Conversation Overview: Recognizing Blind Spots Assigned Authority The Paradigm Shift Connection vs. Commitment Asking the Right Questions The Effects of a Double Bind Stewardship of Authority

    Ryan Donovan at The Leaders Journey

    Ryan Donovan's - Licensed Professional Counselor

    Church Cares and the book "Becoming a Church That Cares Well for the Abused" GRACE - Godly Response to Abuse in a Christian Environment A Church Called Tov When Narcissism Comes to Church Bully Pulpit Matt Tebbe's substack
  • Authority is inherent in leadership roles, and that inherent authority can be misused and abused. In part one of this series, Jim and Trisha discuss the reality of abuse, the questions surrounding it, and the way leaders are called to respond.

    Conversation Overview

    None of This is New Authority is Inherent in Leadership What is Authority and Where Does it Come From? The Legitimate Uses of Authority A Focus on Spiritual Abuse The Impact Outweighs the Intention Responding to the Critical Mirror Conflict and Disagreement vs. Abuse Taking a Victim Centric Approach

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    Podcasts:

    Power Dynamics for Trustworthy and Transformative Leaders

    Power Dynamics and Conflict: A conversation for trustworthy and transformative leaders

    Books:

    The End of Leadership by Barbara Kellerman

    Bully Pulpit: Confronting the Problem of Spiritual Abuse in the Church

    When Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community From Emotional and Spiritual Abuse

  • In this episode, dive into the fascinating world of artificial intelligence (AI) and its impact on various aspects of life, including leadership, sermon writing, and more. Join us as we explore the innovative ways in which AI is being integrated into everyday tasks and decision-making processes.

    For this special podcast, Jim and Trisha hear some insightful points from multiple guests on how they use AI and how they have seen it impact the world around them.

    Podcasts guests include

    Scott Hescht is enthusiastic advocate for AI integration into various fields, Scott brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to the discussion. Scott offers unique insights into the practical applications of AI in different contexts, including in his ministry as the pastor at The Haven Community Church in Spring, TX.

    Rich Braaksma: is the Regional Mission Leader for Resonate Global Mission in Western Canada and part-time pastor of The Road Church in Calgary, Alberta.

    Leani du Toit: Trauma-informed spiritual, cross-cultural, and leadership coach with a diverse range of experiences.

    Nathan Herrington: Founder of Nathan Herrington Coaching, delving into AI applications in coaching and content creation.

    Tim Rotman: Pastor at Zumbro Lutheran Church in Rochester, Minnesota, sharing his experiences with using AI in sermon writing.

    Conversation Overview:

    AI in Research and Ministry Beyond the Information Being Curious and Cautious Using AI in Content Creation Making Connections with Large Language Models

    Resources

    Ezra Klein and Ethan Mollick: How Should I Be Using AI Right Now?

    AI Will Shape Your Soul

    The Haven Community Church

    Resonate Global Mission

    Nathan Herrington Coaching

    Zumbro Lutheran Church

    The Road Church

    Leani du Toit Coaching

  • Jim talks with Mike Whang about how his shift away from the traditional church model opened up avenues of ministry that can be limited for those in Christian leadership. Mike explains how working out the equations of ministry, the balancing of values, the realities of day to day life, and the needs of the Church, has been a challenge and a blessing as he grows in his walk with God and leadership position.

    Mike Whang is an ordained elder of the United Methodist Church. He serves Oikon and Wesley as an extension minister of the Texas Annual Conference. He received his M. Div from Duke Divinity School. His favorite foods are rice, kimchi, and eggs. Raised in Los Angeles, he and his wife, Lisa are raising native Texan daughters of Korean descent.

    Conversation Overview

    A Shift in Approach Pivoting From a Local Church to a Ministry Organization Gaining Margin by Stepping away from Sunday Centric Model Integrating Faith with Life The Upsides and Downsides of Change Personal Responsibility as a Follower of Christ Limitations of Traditional Structures Different Paths for Spiritual Journeys

    Resources

    https://www.oikonandwesley.org/

    Nomads in the Church: The Leader's Journey Podcast with Terry Walling

  • On this episode of The Leader’s Journey Podcast, Trisha talks with Mac McCarthy and Nate Pyle about how the election year has affected their congregations and the ways they are navigating that social landscape within their churches. Listen to this first of several podcasts in 2024 as they discuss the unique ways they have each worked with the leadership in their churches in order to guide their congregations to focus on building bridges and communicating with grace.

    Nate Pyle is a pastor, author, and coach. As a pastor, Nate has served as the pastor of Christ’s Community Church in Fishers, Indiana since 2008. During that time, Nate began learning and practicing skills related to adaptive leadership, congregational revitalization, family systems, emotional maturity, and spiritual formation. He has a passion to see the church become a learning community growing its capacity to navigate difference, hard conversations, and congregational change.

    Mac McCarthy has been in Christian ministry for over 15 years. As a pastor, practitioner, and coach, he is passionate about equipping leaders by integrating missional theology, spiritual formation, family systems, and adaptive leadership to navigate congregational change. Having served in a variety of roles, Mac is currently the Lead Pastor at Crosspoint Community Church in the western suburbs of Milwaukee where has been since 2008. He received his B.A. from Bethel University, his M.Div from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and is ordained with the Christian & Missionary Alliance. Mac is also a CrossFit coach and enjoys helping people pursue holistic health.

    Conversation Overview

    Political conversation in a Systems Context Getting Your Hands Dirty Political vs. Partisan Being a Minister of Reconciliation Conflating Religious Doctrine and Political Politics Anxiety and Emotional Maturity Capacity Building and Discipleship It Doesn't Always Work Core Conviction and Guiding Principles

    Resources:

    Nate Pyle on The Leader's Journey

    4 Americas: The Stories and the Gospel - Nate Pyle SermonsMac McCarthy on The Leader's Journey

    Luke Bretherton on Democracy and Christianity

    Crosspoint Community Church

    Christ Community Church

  • Trisha and Jim continue their insightful discussion on boundaries in this week's podcast. Join them as they discuss your questions about boundaries and the benefits and struggles of implementing them in personal and professional leadership roles.

    Conversation Overview

    Flourishing Within Boundaries Boundaries and Emotional Maturity Working Within a Broken System The Cost of Boundaries Managing Guilt Christ's Example of Boundaries Staying On Your Side of the Line and Allowing God to Work Communication is Key Creating a Culture of Healthy Boundaries The Value of Pain
  • Join Trisha and Jim as they discuss the importance of respecting boundaries not just for the benefit of ourselves, but for the benefit of those around us. Together they discuss the complexities of setting and keeping boundaries while maintianing healthy relationships.

    "Boundaries are not something we put on others, boundaries are something that we maintain for ourselves. " -Trisha Taylor

    Conversation Overview

    Reconciling healthy boundaries with Jesus' message. Articulating Our Limits What Boundaries Are - and What They Aren't Playing Tennis with Emotional Boundaries Myths About Boundaries Boundaries in Leadership Saying and Hearing "No"

    Resources

    Cleaning Up a Mess with Ryan and Marijke

    Boundaries by Henry Cloud and John Townsend

  • Join Jim and Trisha as they discuss how we as the church can embrace the paradigm shift to a new structure in a church without walls. Their insightful conversation with this week’s guest, Terry Walling, offers a unique perspective on how nomadic believers are truly helping grow the church as they act as disciples within the community.

    Terry Walling is a pastor, professor, and author of Unlikely Nomads: In Search of the New Church. He has also launched a podcast series in which he has conversations with a variety of people who are in search of a deeper journey with Jesus and with following Him in a different kind of church in America.

    Key Takeaways:

    -Moving in an Old, New Direction
    -The Nomadic Believer
    -Personal Renewal that Leads to Corporate Change
    -Apprenticing the life of Jesus
    -Embracing the Mystery

    Resources:

    http://leaderbreakthru.com/

    Unlikely Nomads by Terry Walling

    Canoeing the Mountains by Todd Bolsinger

    A Non-Anxious Presence by Mark Sayers

    The Great Emergence

  • Join Jim and Trisha as they discuss the concept of being vulnerable as a leader with author and keynote speaker, Jacob Morgan. Listen as they explore how the skill of balancing vulnerability and competency can empower leaders in both personal and professional settings.

    Jacob Morgan is a remarkable and successful leader,keynote speaker, trained futurist, and author. His most recent book, Leading With Vulnerability, was published last year. Jacob pulls from his personal and professional experience as well as the results of many leadership polls and studies as he speaks to tens of thousands of leaders each year on how to fine tune their leadership skills.

    Conversation Overview

    Personal vs. Professional Vulnerability Balancing Competence and Connection The Specifics of Vulnerability Naming Your Emotions The Right Place and Time to be Vulnerable When Vulnerability Hurts

    Resources

    The Future Organization

    Jacob's Substack

    Leading With Vulnerability and Other Books by Jacob Morgan

  • Join Jim and Trisha as they speak with pastors Ted and Jess from Evanston Vineyard Church about intentional change. Discover how their approach to transformation involves coaching, diverse perspectives, and the formation of clear, shared values.

    Ted Kim, who has been pastoring and ministering in churches for more than 20 years in Washington, California, New York, and areas outside of the US, is the lead pastor at Evanston Vineyard Church. He is passionate about leading people's hearts and minds toward Jesus. Jess, once an intern, is now also a pastor at Evanston Vineyard Church. She has been a big part of the intentional change and value focusing at the church.

    Conversation Overview

    Forming Congregational Values: Ted and Jess share their experience in leading a congregation through the process of forming and embracing core values. Navigating Resistance: The leaders discuss the positive aspects of encountering resistance during the values formation process and how it contributes to a culture of authenticity. Cultivating Team Culture: The importance of team culture values and ongoing learning in maintaining alignment with the overarching church values. Practical Implementation: Simple yet impactful practices, including regular readings of values during meetings, emphasizing the role of coaching in decision-making, and fostering a sense of agency among team members. Real Change in Action: The messy and non-linear nature of change, showcasing the genuine transformation that can occur in a congregation through intentional and collaborative efforts.

    Resourses

    Evanston Vineyard Church

  • Being stuck in problems and situations can be a significant hindrance to your ability to effectively lead and inspire those around you. Rather than move forward, you may find yourself focused on problems that prevent you from reaching your goals. Learn to resolve those situations so that they become a source of growth. Listen in this latest podcast as Trisha, Jim, and multiple other members of The Leader's Journey share their solutions to getting unstuck. Start your new year off with resolving to not allow the muddy moments in life to dictate the way you lead

    Getting Unstuck

    Distinguish between technical and adaptive problems. Talk with trusted individuals to process the ways you are stuck and find a solution. Shift the mood. Practice breathing in the silence to embrace and examine your emotional responses. Reject feelings of shame. Create space to pray and listen.

    Resources

    Internal Family Systems

    The Discernment of Spirits by Timothy Gallagher

  • adership, shedding light on helpful practices that can guide church leaders through the shift from an attractional growth model to a missional one. Joining them on this insightful exploration is the experienced and dynamic Mac McCarthy, Lead Pastor at Crosspoint Community Church in Milwaukee.

    Pastor Mac McCarthy is a seasoned leader with over 15 years in ministry. Currently serving as the Lead Pastor at Crosspoint Community Church, Mac brings a wealth of experience and a unique journey, having transitioned into the lead pastor role as the church evolved. Ordained in the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination, Mac holds degrees from Bethel University and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. Beyond his pastoral role and contributions of expertise as part of the coaching team for The Leader's Journey, he's a CrossFit coach and a passionate advocate for holistic health.

    Key Takeaways:

    Unveiling the missional perspective

    Diving into the importance of cultivating new mental models and practices in alignment with God's mission.

    Joining God on Mission: Listen, Discern, Experiment, and Review.

    Adaptive leadership in a changing cultural landscape.

    Resources:

    Crosspoint Community Church

    Leading Faithful Innovation: Following God into a Hopeful Future by Dwight Zscheile, Michael Binder, and Tessa Pinkstaff

  • What if leadership is mostly about paying attention? In this episode, Trisha and Jim engage in a thought-provoking conversation with their guest, Ann Kansfield. Ann delves into her personal experiences with leadership and how important a role focus and attentiveness plays. A primary task of leadership is to direct attention for ourselves and those we lead. At the same time, in today's world, paying attention is hard and sustaining attention in the face of distractions and anxiety is even harder. Listen as they discuss the simple but complex leadership principle in this conversation: We lead when we are able to focus our attention on what really matters and then help others to do the same in pursuit of a mission or task.

    Ann Kansfield, along with her wife Jennifer, serves as a pastor at Greenpoint Reform Church in Brooklyn, New York, and as a staff chaplain for the FDNY. Ann's journey, which you can read about in her book "Be the Brave One", inspires others to embrace their authentic selves and harness their innate potential.

    Key Takeaways:

    Understand the crucial role of attention in effective leadership. Recognize the importance of reflection and self awareness in managing attention. Explore the significance of building effective teams and fostering trust. Emphasize the value of routine in enhancing focus and productivity.

    Links and Resources:

    Be the Brave One by Ann Kansfield

    Follow Ann Kansfield on Facebook

    Greenpoint Reformed Church

  • Join host Jim Herrington and Dr. Michael DeRuyter in an enlightening discussion as they uncover the delicate interplay between individuality and togetherness forces within leadership environments. Dr. DeRuyter is a distinguished expert in Bowen Family Systems Theory and leadership development, offers profound insights and practical strategies to help leaders and organizations understand the intricacies of group dynamics. Explore the impacts of these forces on decision-making, team dynamics, and organizational relationships, providing invaluable guidance for leaders in complex settings.

    With practical strategies for managing heightened togetherness and fostering open communication, leaders are empowered to cultivate an environment of trust and collaboration, propelling their teams toward collective success. Join us in unlocking the transformative potential of understanding and harnessing these vital forces, igniting a passion for resilient leadership and cohesive team synergy in any organizational setting.

    Key Takeaways:

    Embrace the Complex Dynamics of Individuality and Togetherness Heightened Anxiety and Togetherness Strive for Balance Implement Effective Strategies

    Resources Mentioned:

    The Leader's Journey Website

    The Bowen Family Systems Theory
  • In this episode, Jim and Trisha talk with Chris Field, founder of Mercy Project, author, and speaker. They dive into the significance of systems thinking for leaders, emphasizing how it can address complex problems and instill hope within their organizations. Through his own journey, Chris highlights the value of long-term commitment, warns against the allure of quick fixes, and champions the enduring power of persistence.

    Chris's story underscores the importance of understanding the intricacies of a problem before attempting to solve it. By identifying the root cause and working towards a sustainable solution, real and lasting change can be achieved. Whether it's tackling child trafficking or any other complex issue, the principles of systems thinking, persistence, and introspection are invaluable.

    "Transformation happens in years, not in days." - Chris Field

    Key Takeaways:

    Origin of Mercy Project Understanding the Real Issue Systems Thinking vs. Linear Thinking Persistence – "Transformation happens in years, not in days." Chris's New Book: Chris talks about his upcoming book, which is an introspective look at his life and the importance of understanding oneself.

    Resources Mentioned:

    Chris Field: Learn more about Chris's work at meetchrisfield.com. Disrupting for Good A Billion Hours of Good Mercy Project: An organization dedicated to ending child trafficking in Ghana through sustainable solutions. The Leader's Journey: For those interested in learning more about systems thinking and leadership skills, visit theleadersjourney.us.