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Watch the video episode here: https://youtu.be/oGK6yK8tYgs
We are mixing it up this episode bringing back our previous guest Hueviews to and transforming her from interviewee to interviewer to speak to OONA.
We thought this concept would bring a different perspective and make for a really interesting conversation, we were right 😂🤭 Huge thanks to both Hueviews and OONA for this one.
OONA explores various themes around art, identity, performance, and challenges in the crypto art space, as well as societal and gender issues.
Key Topics
1) OONA's Identity
2) Origins and Inspiration
3) OONA’s Symbolism and Performance Art
4) Performance Pieces
5) Themes of Consent and Feminine Agency
6) Tech and Blockchain Integration
7) Upcoming Projects and Collaborations
8) Social Impact and AdvocacyKey Points of Interest
Unique Performance Methods: OONA employs unconventional approaches like masking, live interactions, and unexpected venues (e.g., basketball courts, art fairs) to challenge traditional art norms and provoke reactions from audiences.Gender and Power Dynamics: OONA’s interactions with men in the crypto space often unveil underlying power struggles and societal biases, which she critiques through humour and bold actions.
Artistic Process and Philosophy: OONA’s work reflects a blend of raw improvisation and carefully crafted themes, with each performance designed to create spontaneous, real interactions that challenge societal norms.
Innovative Use of NFT and Blockchain: By integrating blockchain with art, OONA’s projects often include audience participation that’s documented and “tokenised,” which allows each performance to exist as a collectible piece, further pushing the boundaries of what art and interaction can mean in the Web3 era.
This conversation presents a thought-provoking conversation on how performance art can act as a powerful medium for social critique and explores the complexities of identity and body politics in contemporary art and crypto spaces. OONA's performances and her unfiltered storytelling reveal the provocative, often humorous, and always insightful nature of her work.
https://x.com/madebyoona
https://worshipoona.art/
https://nft.christies.com/auctions/bridging-worlds-digital-art-beyond-bordershttps://hueviews.com/
https://twitter.com/hueviewshttps://nonfungerbils.com
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Watch the video episode here https://youtu.be/Gh-skb_Q7Yg
Welcome to Episode 50 of NonFunGerbils, featuring the exceptionally creative Hueviews, a tactile artist known for her diverse body of work. Celebrating a milestone with her 1200th consecutive day of creativity, Hueviews shares her journey from photography and paper collages to embracing the digital world while maintaining her love for hands-on art. In this episode, we dive into her unique artistic process, the significance of tactile art, and her adventures in both the physical and digital realms of creation.Hue Views also opens up about her discovery of the NFT space, her collaborative projects, and the impact of community on her work. Through a blend of personal anecdotes and insights into her artistic evolution, this episode explores the intersections of traditional art forms with digital innovation, the challenges and rewards of daily creativity, and the importance of community and collaboration in the evolving art landscape.
We also uncensor the #CensoredGerbil revealing the gerbil and the writer.
Key Discussion Points:
Tactile Art and Digital Creativity: Hue Views' exploration of physical art forms alongside digital projects, marking her 1200th consecutive day of art.
Collaborative Projects: Insights into her collaborative works, including notable projects with Josie and La Pan Mignon, highlighting the power of community in the NFT space.
Journey into NFTs: The transition from skepticism to embracing NFTs, influenced by her husband and the inspirational work of female artists.
Building Community: The role of art and collaboration in fostering a supportive community within the Web3 space.
Physical vs. Digital Art: Discussion on the significance of physical art in a predominantly digital era and Hue Views' approach to blending these mediums.
Daily Art Commitment: The impact of committing to daily art creation on personal growth and creative expression.
Future Endeavors: Hue Views shares her aspirations and plans for integrating more elements into her art, reflecting on the possibilities ahead.
See the Censored Gerbil
https://hueviews.com/
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Welcome to Episode 49 of NonFunGerbils, featuring Anjali Young, a pivotal figure in the realm of online community engagement. Anjali's impressive trajectory in the crypto world spans from moderating a massive 60,000-member Facebook community to establishing Collab.Land, a vital platform in Telegram & Discord, engaging over 3 million unique users.
A true pioneer, Anjali recognized the potential of Web3 communities early on. Her innovative work with Collab.Land has revolutionized the way crypto communities interact, especially through token gating.
This episode is an open conversation that dives into various engaging topics, including the importance of human connection, digital identity, and the significance of maintaining anonymity in the digital space.
Discussion Highlights:
Collabland's Role and Functionality: Detailed discussion about Collabland, its purpose, functionality, and impact on the crypto community.
Web3 and Crypto Discussions: Broader discussions about various aspects of Web3 and cryptocurrency, including their implications and future prospects.
NFTs and Digital Identity: The role of NFTs (Non-Fungible Tokens) in digital identity and community building, as well as personal stories related to NFT experiences.
Importance of Anonymity and Privacy: The significance of anonymity and privacy in the crypto space, and how these principles are upheld or challenged.
Technical Aspects of Blockchain and Crypto: Discussions on more technical aspects of blockchain technology and cryptocurrency, including token gating, DAOs, and other related concepts.
Future Plans and Developments: Conversation about future plans, developments, and potential innovations in the crypto and blockchain industry.
User Onboarding and Activation: Strategies and challenges related to onboarding new users into the crypto space and activating them within communities.
Challenges and Risks in Crypto: Discussing the challenges, risks, and downsides of involvement in the crypto space, including scams and financial risks.
Personal Reflections and Opinions: Anjali shares her personal reflections, opinions, and predictions about the current state and future of the crypto industry.
https://twitter.com/damaderoca
https://twitter.com/Collab_Land_
https://www.collab.land/
https://twitter.com/telefrenshttps://nonfungerbils.com
https://twitter.com/NonFunGerbils
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Full notes available at: https://nonfungerbils.com/podcast/48-giselxflorez
We are thrilled to host GiselXFlorez - Artist in Light - with a lifetime of experience exploring a broad spectrum of mediums to create and connect with ART, which is in itself is many things. In this episode, we dive deep into the heart of art, discovering its profound connections to life, technology, and the human soul.
Gisel's Background and Art Philosophy: Gisel shares her journey as an artist, discussing her early interests in traditional art forms like painting and later transitioning to digital art. She defines art as an expression of life and a product of the human soul, emphasising the emotional and experiential aspects of art over technical skill alone.
Physical Art and NFTs: Gisel recounts her experiences in giving away physical pieces of her art at events, linking these to her digital artworks and NFTs. This bridges the gap between traditional and digital art forms.
The Role of AI in Art: The conversation delves into how AI is shaping art. Gisel views AI as a tool that regurgitates past human experiences and emphasizes the importance of human intent and the 'soul' in differentiating AI-generated art from human-created art.
Gisel's Projects and Collaborations: She discusses various projects, including her 'Moon Language' project, which involves photography of the moon paired with music to create a new form of expression. She also touches on other collaborative projects and her approach to integrating different art forms.
The Intersection of Art and Technology: The discussion explores how technology, particularly blockchain and NFTs, is creating new platforms and opportunities for artists. Gisel talks about how these technologies allow for more direct and varied expressions of creativity.
Art, Privacy, and Data Security: There's a segment of the conversation about the importance of privacy and data security in the digital age. Gisel expresses concerns about how personal data is harvested and the implications for artists and the general public.
The Future of Art and Society: The podcast touches upon broader themes of how art relates to societal changes, the role of artists in society, and how technology is reshaping both art creation and consumption.
Quantum Light Gerbil: The episode concludes with a discussion about involving the community in art creation, specifically mentioning a project called "Quantum Light Gerbil," where community members contribute ideas for a piece that Gisel will create.
https://twitter.com/GiselFlorez
https://www.giselflorez.com/
https://www.giselx.art/https://nonfungerbils.com
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Summary:
We welcome Joe Wait to discusses his thesis on censorship resistance within Ethereum and its broader implications for the cryptocurrency ecosystem. The conversation delves into the value of decentralisation, the Tornado Cash incident, and the challenges and debates within the blockchain space. Joe exposes some thought provoking issues with Power and Incentivisation on Ethereum and Bitcoin.
Key Talking Points:
This is a must listen Episode!Introduction and Background of Joe Wait:
Joe Wait's introduction, his role at Superchain, and his journey into blockchain and cryptocurrency.
His academic background in philosophy and transition to software project management.
Initial skepticism about Ethereum and eventual belief in its potential.
Focus on Censorship Resistance in Ethereum:
Discussion on Joe's thesis, "Towards an Evaluation of Ethereum’s Censorship Resistance."
Exploration of the value and importance of decentralisation in blockchain technology.
Comparison of decentralisation to insurance or cybersecurity, emphasising preparation for low probability, high impact events.
Tornado Cash Incident:
Explanation of Tornado Cash as an obfuscation tool on the Ethereum network.
Discussion on legitimate uses of Tornado Cash for privacy and security.
Examination of potential misuse of Tornado Cash for illicit activities.
Analysis of the unprecedented nature of sanctioning a smart contract by OFAC.
Discussion on the severe penalties associated with violating sanctions and the extended reach of U.S. jurisdiction.
Implications and Concerns:
Exploration of the broader implications of the Tornado Cash incident on the decentralized autonomous code community.
Concerns about the chilling effect on innovation and development within the blockchain space.
Discussion on the arrest of individuals associated with Tornado Cash, highlighting issues related to jurisdiction and legal proceedings.
Ethereum Censorship Resistance and MEV Relays:
Discussion on the centralisation risks associated with Ethereum, particularly in the context of MEV relays.
The lucrative nature of MEV relays and the trend of vertical integration as centralising and potentially corrosive trends.
USDC and Real World Assets:
Impact of non-duplicable assets, particularly stablecoins like USDC, on the blockchain ecosystem.
Potential for regulatory capture and centralisation when real-world assets are involved.
BlackRock Bitcoin ETF and Forks:
Concerns about the influence of financial instruments like ETFs on the cryptocurrency ecosystem.
The potential for entities in control of these financial instruments to influence the network's direction.
NonFunGerbils CompetitionTweet us your stories for #CensoredGerbil - we’ll make our favourite story into art, mint and send to everyone who sent in an entry
Links
This Gerbil is a collaboration with HueViews who will be creating the gerbil through embroidery. There will also be a single edition NFT available to buy which comes with the original physical work!
#NonFunGerbils #CensoredGerbilhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-wait-132059174?trk=contact-info
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We spent the week in Lisbon at the NonFungibleConference and collected interviews with the following amazing people:
5.40 Trevor Jones Castle Party Gerbil announcement
8.47 Lapin Mignon & Fanny Lakoubay
12.19 Toxsam - VIPE
16.01 Orlando - NFTees.com
18.47 Eleonora Brizi
20.30 Violet Jones
24.42 George Boya, Eclectic Method, Arthr & Skeenee
31.06 Carlos Marcial - Causality
36.03 Natalia Grunberg
38.07 Rose croft
41.17 Metageist
43.55 Gabe Weis (& Efdot)
50.27 Sturec
53.26 Jonathan Button
59.29 Ogar & Sebastien Borget (Sandbox)
1.02.57 Jessica Young - Permian
1.05.38 Quinn Button
1.12.02 CarlaTo submit an entry for Castle Party Gerbil post your story here
To claim a 2023 Lisbon Gerbils NFT post your non-dapper flow address here
https://www.nonfungibleconference.com/
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We welcome John Karp of NFT Factory, NFT morning and the Non Fungible Conference in Lisbon.
John is a delight to chat with and a fountain of knowledge. We covered so much about the NFT space, the Art space, What is ownership, Royalty wars and much more. He also gave us a peek into the upcoming Non Fungible Conference thats happening at the beginning of June. Stick around at the end for an extraordinary #BraveNewGerbil reading.
Apologies for some ground loop hum in my mic due to a faulty cable but it doesn’t continue for the too long.
https://twitter.com/johnkarp
https://www.nonfungibleconference.com/
https://twitter.com/NFCsummit
https://nftfactoryparis.com/
https://twitter.com/nftfactoryparis
Discount code for 90% off Non Fungible Conference = NONFUNGERBILS30
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We welcome Eirik Ulversøy AKA Kitten Mittens
OG Cryptokitty breeder and whale with over 200,000 kitties
Founder of TradFiLines and Ordinal flairs.
We delve into Ordinals on Bitcoin, what they are, the experience and what it’s like to have the value of your project rocket overnight
We announce the winner from our competition for #TheOrdinalGerbil
https://magiceden.io/ordinals/marketplace/tog
NonFunGerbils NFT Security guide
https://github.com/NonFunGerbils/Gerbils-Security-Guide-for-Crypto-and-NFTs
https://twitter.com/UlversY
https://twitter.com/TradFiLinesNFT
https://twitter.com/OrdinalFlares
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Introducing Season 2 of the NonFunGerbils Podcast We welcome Rudem00se to the team Outlook for 2023 in NFTs ChatGPT and the new impact of AI New Gerbil
We open up the competition to author and win #BraveNewGerbil
Security Guide
Submit your entries to https://twitter.com/nonfungerbils with the tag #BraveNewGerbil or reply to our announcement tweet.The Gerbils Security Guide for Crypto and NFTs is ready... go get a security checkup and feel free to commit updates and changes. The point is to keep a living guide that changes with the times to keep you safe with best practices.
https://github.com/NonFunGerbils/Gerbils-Security-Guide-for-Crypto-and-NFTs
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George was called away last minute for this one so Dr Dion W stepped in to help. Also known as @DionwNFT on Twitter, he is a data scientist and works for MyNFT.
Today we focus on security with Jonathan Wilkins, previous CSO of Blockstream and currently founder of Cloaked Wireless.
Cloaked focuses on solving sim swapping attacks in the space by creating a secure intermediary away from traditional telecom companies using Bitcoin message signing for authentication. We cover:
how big the sim swapping problem is
some major vulnerabilities out there
seed storage procedures.
poetry for error correction in passwords
generally explore the topic of security
It was quite shocking how much of a problem and how easy swapping still is.
https://twitter.com/jwilkins
https://www.cloakedwireless.com/
https://seedxor.com/https://nonfungerbils.com
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We speak to Tagachi, a Solidity developer and security researcher with decades of experience as a Coder for 27 years, Involved in SecOps and Intel for 22 years and has worked on projects acquired by the likes of Google, Facebook and CISCO.
We focus on Security and in particular wallet security covering what tagachi deems as best practice from a hyper secure standpoint.
This is the first in what will be a series of episodes focussed around security in the space. We are also working on a security guide that will be hosted on github very soon and will be open to add to and edit by everyone as an evolving resource for the community.
https://twitter.com/TagachiStudio
https://nonfungerbils.com
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George wasn’t able to make it to this episode so we bought in guest interviewer Christian Miles who has worked in and out of the tech industry since 2000 in sectors such as banking, logistics, e-commerce and now web3 where he is building infrastructure on the FLOW Blockchain with his company Find.xyz. Christian has also run therapeutic children’s homes and semi independent services for individuals with a history of trauma. So he is well placed to join me today along with our guest Hazel Gale from Betwixt.
Hazel is an artist; she is author of The Mind Monster Solution; she is a former therapist; and she is also an ex boxer and kickboxer having won multiple world titles.
Hazel joins us to talk about her project Betwixt which is a fantasy choose-your-own-adventure game that takes you on a journey of self discovery and broadly fits into my made up category of therapeutic game with generative NFT art which customises to you around your self-discovery adventure.Betwixt are doing something really interesting and we have a fantastic conversation. We hope you enjoy.
https://nft.betwixt.life/
https://twitter.com/BetwixtNFT
https://twitter.com/HazelGale
https://find.xyz/
https://twitter.com/Christian__neo
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Today we welcome Adam B Levine of 330ai, a true original gangster of Bitcoin education having founded Speaking of Bitcoin (formerly Lets Talk Bitcoin) along with a number of other projects.
We also welcome Freya Stevens of Likvidi who are connecting the world of carbon credits to the NFT space.This was a really fascinating conversation around carbon credits, how they work, how they can add value to NFTs and vice versa. We discuss AI, its impact on art and how it can be used for collaboration and much much more.
At the end we announce the winner of REKT Gerbil and read out some entries.
We hope you enjoy the episode.
https://www.likvidi.com/the-climate-fightback-starts-here-with-the-launch-of-carbonstore/
https://www.330.ai/
https://twitter.com/AdamBLevine
https://twitter.com/likvidiofficial
https://beta.pixelmind.ai/
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George and I recently got back from the Non-fungible Conference in Lisbon.
What a fantastic week it was, we met wonderful people, had amazing dinners and stimulating conversations. It was quite something to have such a broad range of people with the unified focus of NFTs all in one place.
I kept a dictaphone with me and caught up with some key figures and friends and gained insight into their experiences of the event and their take on various NFT developments.
Please enjoy - in chronological order - our interviews with:
Artur Sychov
Hugo McDonaugh
Jivinci
Whaleshark
Natural Warp
Sebastien Borget
Benji Kandler
Sandie
George Boya
Conlan
Carla_muc_j
The next NonFunGerbil creation is open for submission, send us your best back story for REKT Gerbil. We will will take one story, make the artwork around it and send a gerbil (for free) to everyone who submits an entry.
https://twitter.com/ASychov
https://twitter.com/hnmcdonaugh
https://twitter.com/jivdontexist
https://twitter.com/WhaleShark_Pro
https://twitter.com/Natural_Warp
https://twitter.com/borgetsebastien
https://twitter.com/BenjiKandler
https://twitter.com/Sandiezed
https://twitter.com/BoyaGeorge
https://twitter.com/conlan
https://twitter.com/carla_muc_j
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We are delighted to be here and joined today by Conlan Rios of the revolutionary platform ASYNC.ART. where you can design your own programmable and interactive art, generative collections and music.
We have a fantastic chat exploring the following topics:The early Cryptovoxels days
Hybrid metaverse platforms
NFT culture and how it has changed
Conlan Pitches Pomplamoose on ASYNC Audio Blueprintsta
Bringing together artists to collaborate
Music experiences in the Metaverse
Community building and value creation
Incase you missed it check out #TheGerbilWhoLostHisSeeds - our wonderful collaboration with Song-A-Day Jonathan Mann
Conlan & ASYNC ART
https://twitter.com/conlan
https://async.art/Non Fungible Conference Lisbon
https://www.nonfungibleconference.com/Virtual Worlds Mentioned
https://www.cryptovoxels.com/
https://decentraland.org/
https://www.mona.gallery/
https://oncyber.io/
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We chat to David Lucatch of Liquid Avatar and Oasis Digital Studios.
We learn about David's approach to digital identity and how he is pairing real life identity with online identity along with the implications of identity verification in the Metaverse.
https://oasisdigitalstudios.com/
https://liquidavatartechnologies.com/
https://ca.linkedin.com/in/david-lucatch-06806a5
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Today we welcome Bruno from RMRK which is NFT LEGO on the Kusama Blockchain that gives infinite extensibility to it's NFTS
Bruno is deeply rooted within the Web3 and Polkadot ecosystem and runs dotleap.com with it's fortnightly newsletter on everything Polkadot, Substrate and Kusama
We cover so much mind bending NFT brain food in this episode, you'd better find somewhere safe to sit down!
https://www.rmrk.app/
https://kanaria.rmrk.app/
https://newsletter.dotleap.com/
https://twitter.com/bitfalls
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Welcome to the NonFunGerbils and the Digitally Rare Podcasts
We have come together to have a good old chin wag about the wider NFT space with a focus on art and the recent PFP project craze
Digitally Rare was the first NFT podcast with their original episode airing July 2018.
Jonathan and Matt are super fun and insightful, we hope you enjoy this as much as we did.
At the end we read out entries for BearGerbil and announce the winner, whose entry was chosen and bought to life by the wonderful Stina Jones
https://anchor.fm/digitallyrare
https://songaday.world/
https://themanymatts.lol/
https://clip.mirror.xyz/mOCENLvP1aYXOBOPiLoLjBlSTvJWBqccfkn4gTPJ8qMhttps://twitter.com/digitallyrare
https://twitter.com/songadaymann
https://twitter.com/1ofthemanymattshttps://stinajones.co.uk/
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Sillytuna has had recent notoriety after selling his Covid Alien Cryptopunk for $11.7m at Sothebys, he is a developer, founder and a serious OG in the crypto space. We have an insightful chat about NFTs discussing:
The road to mainstream for NFTs
The problems to be resolved before the next hype wave
The Future problem of Malicious SPAM NFTs
The need for Native Ethereum contract wallets
Iteration and improvement on the ERC721 standard
and much more!
At the end we announce the winner of ThatsHot Gerbil and announce our next gerbil collaboration with Stina Jones, one of our favourite artists in the space.
To submit a competition entry tag us @NonFunGerbils @stina_jones and include #BearGerbil along with your backstory about Bear Gerbil on Twitter
Huge thank you to Paris Hilton for her help with this episode!
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https://sillytuna.medium.com/
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We are joined by one of the highest profile supporters of the NFT community and serial entrepreneur - Paris Hilton.
The self described ‘undercover nerd’, one time collector of POGs, Pokemon and beanie babies, and successful business woman with 19 product lines, Paris Hilton discovered the world of crypto in 2016 and as she delved deeper into NFTs, has found a welcoming community.
We hear more about her journey, the importance she places on empowering a diverse set of artists, and her recent collaboration with the talented digital artist Blake Kathryn dropping on Nifty Gateway on Saturday.
Of course, as always, we end with the announcing of the winner of our #ElonGerbil backstory competition this time being read out by a surprise guest - which was so hot. We also announce the next NonFunGerbils competition where you send us your amazing stories and we turn them into Gerbil NFTs we give away for free!
https://parishilton.com
https://twitter.com/ParisHilton
https://twitter.com/blakekathryn https://cryptograph.co/Cryptograph/Paris-Hilton-Kitty
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