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  • Psychologist Dr. Rick Barnett and Zach Rhoads discuss the psychedelic movement. They touch on:

    - How psychedelics work in therapy and in general use

    - Drug safety

    - Medicalization versus Legalization (or decriminalization) of psychedelics

    - "Drug exceptionalism" (as coined by Dr. Carl Hart)

    - Vermont stakeholders

    - Personal experience with drug use

    - The meaning of addiction

    - Demystification of "magic" mushrooms

    And more topics.

    #psychedelics #vermont #psychedelictherapy

    This episode was filmed at Town Meeting TV in Burlington Vermont.

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  • Today’s guest is Dr. Christopher Chabris. We talked about his new book (with Daniel Simons), “Nobody’s Fool.”

    Chris is a cognitive scientist. His research in this field focuses on attention, decision-making, collective intelligence, cognitive ability, and behavioral genetics.

    Outside of the his academic community, he is a known chess master, and best known for his book (written with Daniel Simons), The Invisible Gorilla. Chabris and Simons won an Ig Nobel Prize for their Invisible Gorilla experiment, from which the book idea stemmed.

    The two have now published a new book, “Nobody’s Fool,” about how our cognitive tendencies and habits and the information we find appealing can be used against us, even though most of the time they’re really effective.

    In all the movies and podcasts and articles and so on about scams, they talk about what the con artists did, how they were caught, how the victims felt about it, and what the victims did about it. But none of them really explain why people keep falling for these scams.

    Nobody’s Fool takes a cognitive science approach to doing just that. It is now available in bookstores everywhere, on Amazon, and at their publisher's web site (links below).

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  • Welcome to episode 82! I

    t's been a while (sorry!)

    Today I spoke with Sarah Ward M.S., CCC/SLP and Co-Director of Cognitive Connections, LLP. We discussed strategies that she has developed-- for both children and adults-- to sharpen their executive functioning skills to enhance learning and life.

    Examples of the skills that Sarah works with people to enhance:

    planning and organization concentrating and managing mental focus analyzing and processing information managing emotions and behavior remembering details managing time multitasking solving problems

    AND MORE!

    We also discussed the limitations of diagnoses as well as the overuse of the term "motivation". And many more topics.

    I hope that the discussion provides you with value, including practical examples to use on your own, or as instruction and help for others you care for.

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    Clock App for Executive Functioning Skills: apps.apple.com › us › app360 Thinking Time Tracker 4+ - App Store

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  • Welcome to episode 81!

    Today I spoke with journalist, podcaster, and author David McRaney about his new book, "How Minds Change".

    We discussed his interviews with and research on cult members, conspiracy theorists, and political activists, from Westboro Baptist Church picketers to LGBTQ campaigners in California – that ultimately challenges us to question our own motives and beliefs.

    In an age of dangerous conspiratorial thinking, can we rise to the occasion? Let’s get into it. Please enjoy this interview with David McRaney.

  • Nathan Maynard is a student voice advocate and author of The Washington Post best-selling book, "Hacking School Discipline" about proactive and restorative practice (as opposed to reactive and punitive) in schools.

    Nathan previously worked as an administrator at Purdue Polytechnic High School in Indianapolis, as the Dean of Culture.

    He also is the Co-Founder of BehaviorFlip, a restorative behavior management system that helps build a culture of empathy and responsibility.

    Today, Zach Rhoads speaks with Nathan to discuss restorative practice versus punishment in schools.

    They discuss:

    0:00 Introduction to "Hacking School Discipline"

    1:35 10,000 foot view of Nathan's restorative model (Student-centered / adult-led school routines and practices)

    3:35 Nathan's basis for writing the book and teaching restorative practice

    10:02 Example of punishment versus restorative practice (and the consequences of using one rather than the other)

    14:11 Restorative circles (i.e. front-loading collaboration and restorative practice to avoid headaches later on)

    21:13 Strategies for engaging apprehensive students

    25:48 Scaling restorative practice school-wide

    31:15 When restorative practice fails (culture and mindset)

    37:42 Tracking progress / fail fast / correcting errors / growth mindset

    43:05 Final tips / hints for getting started in your school

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  • In this episode, Dr. Mark Goulston explains the best way to get through to absolutely ANYONE, in a way that enables them to open up about their deepest concerns.

    Mark Goulston is a Marshall Goldsmith 100 Coaches executive coach and author or co-author of nine books with his book, “Just Listen,” being translated into 28 languages and becoming the top book on listening in the world.

    He hosts the highly ranked podcast, My Wakeup Call, where he conversationally interviews people including Larry King, Jordan Peterson, Ken Blanchard, Esther Wojcicki and Marshall Goldsmith about their purpose and calling and their origin story and wakeup calls that led them there.

    He was a UCLA professor of psychiatry for twenty years, a former FBI and police hostage negotiation trainer and an international expert and practitioner focused on suicide prevention. He is also the co-founder of Michelangelo Mindset and the inventor of Surgical Empathy-- a method for getting through to people that enables them to open up about their deepest concerns.

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    **MORE ABOUT MARK**

    https://markgoulston.com/ Mark's landing page

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQun_xyJnJw EO Alchemy Suicide Prevention Presentation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_3Ydotys_g&list=RDLVS_3Ydotys_g&start_radio=1 Recent interview with Mikhailia Peterson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnYc8ovShg "Tell My Story" Documentary

    https://www.himalaya.com/courses/defeating-self-defeat-3129841?partner-from=15652260&utm_source=partner&utm_medium=mark_goulston Defeating Self Defeat

    https://www.amazon.com/Trauma-Triumph-Roadmap-Disruption-Thriving/dp/1400228379/ Mark's recent book, "Trauma to Triumph"

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  • I presented an expert testimony in an Oklahoma legislative meeting. The session was held due to opposition of new statewide opioid prescribing limitations. You can see the full hearing here https://okhouse.gov/Video/Default.aspx?fbclid=IwAR11cWEcwm6J4-vDbClEJ2IyQMCb7_lTZCgKC1tts0E7g37vpIEcbW9H1wU - - - - - - - - - -

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  • In this interview, Stanton Peele discusses his memoir, "A Scientific Life on the Edge: My Lonely Quest to Change How We See Addiction."

    More importantly, Peele recounts his life story, both in this interview and in his memoir. Beginning with his General Theory of Addiction that he put forth in his 1975 book "Love and Addiction", followed by a discussion of his career as an outsider in mainstream addiction psychology -- an outsider whose knowledge, views, and contributions can never be ignored.

    He goes on to explain how he managed to maintain an influential career in psychology and remain focused on his life-purpose, despite never being affiliated with institutions or organizations in his life.

    Finally, he explains to me how and why he continues to pursue meaning, both in life and in the addiction field.

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  • Today's guest is Shaun Shelly -- back for a second conversation.

    We discuss the so-called "Opioid Crisis", why that concept needs to be re-framed, and how we can go about doing so.

    **More about Shaun: Shaun is dedicated to the understanding of drug use, the rights of people who use drugs, and effective drug policy. He is the Policy, Advocacy and Human Rights Manager for TB/HIV Care in South Africa. Shaun has developed the annual SA Drug Policy Week, he sits on the Department of Health and Central Drug Authority advisory groups, and he holds affiliations at the Universities of Cape Town and Pretoria.

    Learn more here:

    https://idpc.net/profile/shaun-shelly https://www.psymposia.com/magazine/need-ecstasy-opioids-place-prozac-xanax/ https://www.memoirsofanaddictedbrain.com/blog/ http://addictioncapetown.blogspot.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOOKlnuHQTE

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  • Zach Rhoads speaks with Maia Szalavitz about her new book, "Undoing Drugs", which traces the history of Harm Reduction from the movement's genesis to the way it affects mainstream thoughts, beliefs, policies, and behavior.

  • Dr. Erec Smith is a professor of rhetoric and composition at York College and former Chair of the York YWCA Racial and Social Justice Committee.

    Today, he and I talk about racism in America, and what he believes are the best ways to make this country a fair, diverse, and thriving one. Smith appreciates much of the sentiment behind Critical Race Theory (CRT) and anti-racism curriculum, but believes these movements (and their rhetoric)-- as they have been mainstreamed-- are headed in the wrong direction.

    He offers a new idea about how we might make progress, which he calls the Empowerment Model. In addition to his position at York College, Smith is Associate Director of the Institute for Civic Arts and Humanities, co-founder and co-editor of "FreeBlackThought", a writing fellow for Heterodox Academy, and author of the book, "A Critique of Anti-racism in Rhetoric and Composition: The Semblance of Empowerment."

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  • Todd is a documentary film maker and his most recent film, "The Last Stop" is today's conversation topic.

    The Last Stop is a film about the Élan School, which was a controversial school / treatment facility for so-called juvenile delinquents which existed in the deep woods of Maine.

    That’s ExisTED, past-tense, because the Élan school was closed down in 2011 due to allegations of abuse which dated back to its opening in 1970.

    (This is a rebroadcast from an episode I recorded in 2019)

  • Welcome to episode 75!

    Today's guest is Desh Amila.

    Desh is the founder of "This Is 42"-- a platform for highly regarded educators and content creators such as Coleman Hughes, Michael Shermer, Sam Harris, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and more. He is also the producer of the films "Islam and the Future of Tolerance" (Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz), and more recently, "Better Left Unsaid" which you can find here: https://betterleftunsaidfilm.com/

    Today we talk about Desh's life journey: Living through civil war in Sri Lanka, moving to Australia (not knowing more than a few key phrases in English); eventually graduating from Melbourne's Deakin University; and becoming an entrepreneur, film-maker, and educator on a global scale.

    We then discuss his newest film (with Curt Jaimungal), "Better Left Unsaid", which illuminates key issues regarding radical politics-- both on the left and the right-- in the U.S. and around the world.

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  • This episode originally aired as an episode of the "LPP PODCAST" which you can find here: https://open.spotify.com/show/66wpvu8aMI8NWYgZvBr5uz

    Today's guest is Maia Szalavitz, who co-wrote (With Bruce Perry) "The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog" and the NYT best-seller, "Unbroken Brain"

    Her forthcoming book is, "Undoing Drugs"

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  • Curt Jaimngal is the co-creator (with Desh Amila) of the documentary film, "Better Left Unsaid".

    The film shines a light salient cultural issues that are difficult to discuss in a balanced way (at least publicly): namely, the radical arms of both left and right wing politics. "Better Left Unsaid" explores leftist social justice theory and how it turned into censorship and orthodoxly, as well as right-wing nationalism racism and violence.

    In the film, Jaimungal explores history and discusses what has happened, previously, when these cultural frameworks have been left unchecked and were allowed to influence policy. He also offers a window into his own mind-- how he thinks about and makes sense of these issues, and what any given person can do about them.

    Today Curt and I discuss these topics in detail, as we explore ways to be a thinking and constructive citizen. You'll see that his thoughts and beliefs are well-researched but they're also fluid; changeable. He struggles with his own ontological sense-making and takes no shortcuts when discussing difficult issues. He argues (at least tacitly) that struggling with an internal dialectic is a crucial process for an individual who wants to be a critically-thinking and relevant sense-maker. I enjoyed the discussion and I hope you will too.

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  • Today’s guest is Shaun Shelly (see bio below). Shaun is a drug policy educator (to say the least) from South Africa. We discussed a range of topics, including (but not limited to):

    Drug use The war on drugs

    Mental health

    Societal deficits and potential solutions

    Logical fallacies and cognitive biases

    First-principles thinking/problem-solving in psychology

    Therapy and motivational interviewing

    Education Humanism And many more topics.

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    Arcicles / Blogs / Other Podcasts https://www.psymposia.com/magazine/ne... https://www.memoirsofanaddictedbrain.... http://addictioncapetown.blogspot.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOOKl...

    MORE ABOUT SHAUN SHELLY

    Shaun is dedicated to the understanding of drug use, the rights of people who use drugs, and effective drug policy. He is the Policy, Advocacy and Human Rights Manager for TB/HIV Care in South Africa. Shaun has developed the annual SA Drug Policy Week, he sits on the Department of Health and Central Drug Authority advisory groups, and he holds affiliations at the Universities of Cape Town and Pretoria. Learn more here:

  • Aaron Burroughs grew up singing gospel music for a black church in Ann Arbor Michigan.

    He moved to Verrmont as an adult and started a band (an entire style of music) inspired by his gospel roots as well as his love and admiration for musicians like Prince, Whitney Houston, Parliament and more. Or, you might say he started an entirely new genre of music.

    You see, Burroughs took the familiar-to-some preacher-esque energy and aesthetic, and turned it into dance-worthy funk, soul and party music.

    He was a major influence in Vermont, where he started his group, "Funkwagon", and Vermonters are lucky that he decided to take on this life-changing project in our neck of the woods.

    Of course, my bias leans heavily on Burroughs, since I was fortunate enough to be one of his band-members and song-writers.

    One example of his MO: He and I (and others in the group) took a traditional gospel song called, "Been So Good To Me"-- whose chorus was, "Jesus, you've been so good to me", we arranged it as quick-pace, four-on-the-floor tune, and we changed the words to "Baby, you' been so good to me". You can hear our version of the song in the outro music of this episode)

    I give him the full TERRY GROSS on this episode as I discuss his upbringing; his move to VT; what it was like to be a gay black man in a state that is 97% white; his family dynamics; his current projects, and much more.

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    And check out these songs (in which I'm featured):

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCgGscxR54M

  • Brian Cuban tells Zach about his history with addiction, which included drugs and alcohol as well as a dysfunctional relationship with diet, exercise, and body image.

    Cuban explains that while most people who suffer body dysmorphic disorder are female, most people don't realize just how many men feel shame about their body image---- to the extent that they overcorrect with extreme and unhealthy diets and workouts, as he did.

    He also discusses his relationship with family members, including his brothers--- one of whom is Mark Cuban, the billionaire "Shark Tank" star and Dallas Mavericks owner. All of this and more on Ep. 72 of TSE!

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  • I interviewed Dr. Carl Hart about his book, "Drug Use For Grown-Ups", when it first hit shelves (Jan. 2021).

    This originally appeared on the weekly Life Process Program podcast (LPP is an harm reduction oriented addiction program I work for), but it's worth sharing with you now.

    Many of you won't have listened to the original podcast and I think it will bring you value! At the same time, I want as many people to hear Dr. Hart's message as possible.

    Let us know what you think!

  • Eric White is the creator and host of theEWpodcast. He doesn't podcast just to be a "sage on the stage" but to have valuable conversations with people who interest him and can bring value to a greater audience.

    He and I have that in common.

    Eric and I talk about his backstory-- including a bout of depression and recovery from it-- then discuss what it means to find purpose and meaning in life. Finally, we have a meta conversation about podcasting: why we do it, why it brings us value, and how having interesting (even difficult) discussions a.) makes us better people; b.) empowers people in our circles of influence.

    Enjoy this conversation with my friend and yours, Mr. Eric White

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