Episodios
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Join Patrick and Ryan in episode 38 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they recap MALT Con and HandyCon as well as provide another update to the 12 game buying challenge.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(01:52) - Agency (10:45) - Trick or Bid (15:45) - Tip of the Diceberg (24:22) - Onda (29:42) - TRICKTAKERs and TRICKTAKERs Little (34:07) - Eternal Decks (39:19) - Lepidoptery (45:43) - The Phase (50:39) - Wind the Film/Photograph (55:38) - Kremlin (01:00:50) - Fishing (01:12:12) - 1 A.M. Jailbreak (01:17:47) - Nokosu Dice (01:29:15) - Take That Trick (01:32:05) - Flush (01:39:05) - Challenge Update -
Join Ryan and Patrick for episode 16 of Trick Talkers: Tea Time - (not so) shorter length episodes where they talk about different topics within the trick-taking, climbing, and shedding world! In this episode we recap all the stories told by you, the listeners, a challenge update
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Twitter - @tricktalkers Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(00:16) - Story Discussion (website coming soon) (26:00) - 12 Game Challenge Update (31:18) - Nokosu Dice Poll (21:30) - Sakana Stack (Kickstarter) (21:30) - Jon Baron's Kickstarter (40:06) - MALT Con -
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Join Patrick and Ryan in episode 37 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss a few games they played while on a mini break, some upcoming games that will hit KS or pre-order, the newest Lord the Rings trick taking game, and more.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:00) - Patrick's Gallivanting (02:55) - Crisps (10:47) - Pisa (26:50) - Of What's Left/Seers Catalog (32:02) - The Gang (39:28) - Eternal Decks (Kickstarter/ThinkerThemer Video) (42:40) - CVLT (Kickstarter) (44:39) - Zoo and More (Kickstarter) (48:09) - Scratch and Scramble (Kickstarter) (51:04) - Man-eating House, Somnia, Idle Hands, and Reapers (01:08:04) - Fellowship of the Ring: Trick Taking Game (Website/Pre-order here) -
Join Ryan as he rambles about Splotter Con 2024!
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(00:00) - Splotter Con, CityTriXX, Greed Incorporated, Prairie Railroads, D'r af, Pente, Duck Dealer, Bus, Tichu, Colorado Midland, Balkan Railways, Man-Eating House, Shark, Chameleo Chameleo, VOC, KremlinGames not necessarily in order as discussed on episode
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Join Patrick and Ryan in episode 36 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this two year anniversary episode, they discuss some upcoming Indie Game Markets happening in the US, some giveaways, and their favorite climbing/shedding games.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:00) - Our 2 Year Anniversary (02:00) - Indie Games Night Market (PEZ) (10:22) - Game Market West (14:00) - Games Giveaway!! (Tokkuri Taking, The Academy, Hasp, Tichu Deck: French Version) (19:40) - Ryan's Backstory (Wicked Cribbage That Was On Kickstarter) (22:12) - Patrick's Backstory (27:15) - 12 Game Challenge Update (30:30) - Climbing/Shedding Games - Preamble Into Our List?! (35:44) - Climbing/Shedding: Ryan's First Game (47:04) - Climbing/Shedding: Patrick's First Game (45:44) - Climbing/Shedding: Ryan's Second Game (51:35) - Climbing/Shedding: Patrick's Second Game (56:42) - Climbing/Shedding: Ryan's Third Game (01:04:55) - Climbing/Shedding: Patrick's Third Game (01:08:58) - Climbing/Shedding: Ryan's Fourth Game (01:14:00) - Climbing/Shedding: Ryan's Fifth Game (01:18:46) - Climbing/Shedding: Patrick's Want To Play (Linko) (01:25:26) - Climbing/Shedding: Ryan's Want To Play Again (01:29:30) - Quick Sean Ross Mention (01:31:57) - Domino Climbing Games (Pokadeck On Gamecrafter) (01:34:04) - Looking Back On The Climbing Games From Our 1 Year Anniversary Essential List (01:34:55) - Scout/Hachi Train/Dealt/RecuRRRing/Nana Toridori/Spring Cleaning (01:38:20) - Linko (01:40:56) - Frank's Zoo (01:42:31) - Bacon -
Join Patrick and Ryan in episode 35 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss PGC Con.
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Discord - https://discord.gg/2DfYe8Jtrc Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:32) - PGC Con (05:46) - Railways of the Lost Atlas (14:06) - Die Dolmengötter (24:06) - Die Magier von Pangea (29:33) - Cheeky Monkey (31:30) - Eternal Decks (PCIO file) (50:32) - LOOP (58:04) - Mino Dice, ito, Cauldron 15, (01:01:10) - Sumida River (01:06:00) - Konigrufen (01:16:38) - Volltreffer (01:19:42) - Voodoo Prince, Savage Bowl, Gnaughty Gnomes (01:25:55) - Secret Game?! (01:26:26) - Two Year Anniversary!! -
Join Ryan and Patrick for episode 15 of Trick Talkers: Tea Time - (not so) shorter length episodes where they talk about different topics within the trick-taking, climbing, and shedding world! In this episode we have Joe Wiggins, the COO of Allplay, join us on the show. We talk about conventions, a whole bunch of upcoming Allplay games, horses, and more!
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Twitter - @tricktalkers Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(00:30) - Joe's Introduction (Allplay) (01:09) - Joe's Story On Discovering Trick Talkers (04:21) - Feedback On Allplay's Trick Takers (10:15) - Dice Tower East (14:52) - Three Witches (15:40) - Xylotar (18:53) - Three Witches (Again!) (21:30) - Allplay Tiny Game Lineup (22:27) - Charms and Inflation! (Strategy Guide for Inflation!) (28:12) - Trick Stakes (Exacta!) (29:46) - Allhorses: Horses 1, Horses 2, Horses 3... (31:27) - Tiny--No, Not Small!--Boxes (33:05) - Origin Story Of The Tiny Box (Nana) (38:00) - Fairy (49:48) - Explaining The 12 Game Challenge (52:31) - Panda Panda (54:56) - Rainbow (57:50) - Prey (01:01:20) - For The Empress (Not On BGG Yet) (01:02:37) - Slambo (Not On BGG Yet) (01:09:27) - Tearable Quest (01:13:05) - Llama Llama (01:13:30) - Llama Song (01:18:00) - Convention Booth Space (01:19:33) - Sick Tricks (Allplay KS List, Taylor's Videos Are In There) (01:27:36) - Ruins (Custom Heroes) (01:31:30) - More Sail? (01:35:26) - What Board Game World Would Joe Jump Into? Xylotar (01:37:39) - Chris Wray And Xylotar Picture At Origins (01:39:54) - GenCon Trick Taking Event -
Join Ryan as he rambles about his visit to the 2024 Origins Game Fair!
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Discord - https://discord.gg/2DfYe8Jtrc Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(01:35) - Dapper On Arrival (01:59) - Start Of Recap (03:55) - Tabletop Submarine (04:09) - Wine Cellar (06:43) - Crits & Tricks (10:29) - Seers Catalog (Xylotar Picture) (12:19) - Trick & Snipers (14:55) - Rebel Princess (16:14) - Allplay Small Box Games (18:58) - Savage Bowl (19:53) - Age of Steam (Age of Steam Con) (21:50) - ito (22:28) - Trans-Siberian Railroad (23:14) - Cabanga! (25:55) - Mino Dice (27:31) - A Message From The Stars -
Join Patrick and Ryan for episode 14 of Trick Talkers: Tea Time - (not so) shorter length episodes where they talk about different topics within the trick-taking, climbing, and shedding world! In this episode, we recap the events and games played at the UKGE for Patrick and Winsome Choose Some for Ryan.
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Discord - https://discord.gg/2DfYe8Jtrc Email - [email protected] Twitter - @tricktalkers Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(01:16) - Dois (07:10) - Expecting More From Trick Takers? (11:17) - UKGE (Altoids) (12:40) - UKGE: Dual (16:20) - UKGE: Blood on the Clocktower (23:54) - UKGE: Life in Reterra (26:49) - Winsome Choose Some (The Train Rush Podcast, TableTapas Games) (29:48) - Winsome Choose Some: Erie Railroad, Zoutkaartje aka Santa Claus Takes The Intercity, Dutch Intercity, Southern Pacific, Northern Pacific, Chicago & Northwestern, GM&O, Southern Rails, Age of Rail: South Africa, Age of Steam, Age of Scheme: Routes to Riches, Colorado Midland, West Riding Revisited, and Riding through England (33:00) - Riding through England (41:35) - Santa Claus Takes The Intercity (50:45) - CityTriXX (54:04) - Ryan's Challenge Update: Dutch Intercity, Colorado Midland, West Riding Revisited & Patrick's Update: Cheese Thief, 1000 Year Old Vampire (55:58) - Northern Pacific (58:05) - D'raf (01:07:28) - Spectaculum (01:14:10) - Tricktakers song by ChunkyPiglets -
Join Patrick and Ryan in episode 34 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss what happens when games they like, or even love, don't "hit" with their group.
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Discord - https://discord.gg/2DfYe8Jtrc Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:56) - Yokai Septet (Pocket Edition Kickstarter and YouTube Video) (06:07) - New Mill Preorders - Seven Prophecies, The Icarus Club, And More (6:56) - UKGE (Foodie Forest, Sakana Stack), Winsome Choose Some, Origins (Pollia Design), And Smaller Cons Discussion (13:58) - When Games You Like Don't "Hit" With Your Group TRICKTAKERs, ito, Tom Vasel's Video Help, I'm Drowning In Games!, Go Out Girl, R-Eco -
Join Patrick and Ryan in episode 33 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss Patrick's month long vacation in Mexico and Ryan's first impressions on some recent TGM plays.
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Discord - https://discord.gg/2DfYe8Jtrc Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(01:14) - Patrick's Vacation (UNO, Chess In The Dark) (06:15) - Challenge Update (Go Out Girl, Vivo, First Contact) (10:04) - Long Live Backyardia (13:00) - Stich-Meister (14:18) - Tuesday Night Gaming (17:21) - Recent TGM Games Chat (18:37) - Shut The Books (28:19) - Vivo (37:44) - Oboro (50:00) - Best Of The Three? -
Join Ryan as he rambles about his newest podcast equipment, trick taking news, and Eurovision!
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(01:10) - Rodecaster Duo (03:19) - New Tokyo Game Market (Travel-games.co.uk, Tricky Imports, Tanuki Games) (04:17) - New Mill Industries TGM Games (05:34) - Grok Games: Shock Knights With Poison and Unannounced Game (07:29) - Hiroken's Upcoming Game (09:19) - Haggis and Tricktakers Fulfilling! (11:18) - Like Cain and Abel (12:35) - CarMax Ramble (15:00) - Bug Council of Backyardia Expansion (18:10) - Yokai Septet Pocket Edition (19:55) - Eurovision Song Contest -
Join Ryan for episode 13 of Trick Talkers: Tea Time - (not so) shorter length episodes where they talk about different topics within the trick-taking, climbing, and shedding world! In this episode we have Jay Bernardo, the creator of Cardboard East and Marketing Manager of Bezier Games, join us on the show. We talk about Jay's move back to the US, Cardboard East, Bezier's new card games from this year, Origins Game Fair, he even throws in a cheeky top 10 list, and more.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Twitter - @tricktalkers Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(00:50) - Jay's Introduction (Cardboard East, Bezier Games) (03:19) - Moving Back To The US (05:07) - Collection Culling Livestream (09:30) - Adjustments To Living In The US Again (12:45) - Bezier Games - Year Of The Card Game (13:35) - Thoughts On Box Sizes (19:15) - Back To Year Of The Card Game (20:55) - Rebel Princess (27:10) - Bezier Games Wolfpack (27:17) - Seers Catalog (Of What's Left/Big Two/Mahjong/Bridge City Poker/LOOP) (41:30) - Xylotar (Magic Trick) (47:19) - Sandbag (1:00:34) - Origins Game Fair and Various Con Talk (01:09:53) - Tokyo Game Market Tips Video (01:11:00) - Jay's Early Sneak Peek, Top 10 Climbing/Shedding Games - Honorable Mention: Big Ten (01:11:27) - Number 10 (01:12:03) - Number 9 (01:12:41) - Number 8 (01:13:29) - Number 7 (01:14:41) - Number 6 (01:16:19) - Number 5 (01:18:27) - Number 4 (01:20:19) - Number 3 (01:21:45) - Number 2 (01:25:31) - Number 1 (01:27:28) - Watching Lightbulb Moments/More Rebel Princess Talk (01:32:11) - 10 Tricks Later (01:34:15) - Jay's Least Favorite Thing About Trick Takers (01:40:29) - Trick Legacy (01:41:20) - Art And Theme (01:44:02) - What Board Game World Would Jay Jump Into? Bricolage HeadsAdditional links from the episode/Shameless plugs:
Cardboard East - https://www.youtube.com/@CardboardEast/featured Bezier TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@beziergames?lang=en -
Join Ryan and Patrick in episode 32 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss The Kakapo, new games getting added to BoardGameArena, and first impressions from last year revisited.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:00) - New Intro (Eric and Julie's Website and Eric's YouTube Channel) (03:00) - Challenge Update (Faraway) (16:19) - The Kakapo (38:21) - Trick Takers On Board Game Arena (Trickster's Table) (41:16) - Crisps (44:48) - Revisiting First Impressions (45:52) - Revisiting First Impressions: Bug Council of Backyardia (56:42) - Revisiting First Impressions: Tricky Time Crisis (58:15) - Revisiting First Impressions: Color Gangsters (01:03:00) - Revisiting First Impressions: Tezuma Master (01:09:31) - Revisiting First Impressions: Crazy Lab (01:15:52) - Maskmen (01:23:03) - Dois, Pala, Stich-Meister (01:29:04) - New Outro -
Join Ryan and Patrick in episode 31 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they go over their Top 10 games...with a twist.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:20) - Top 10 List Introduction! (04:06) - Honorable Mentions: Patrick (TRICKTAKERs, Quack Quack Corrupt Ducks, Texas Showdown, Schadenfreude) (09:02) - Honorable Mentions: Ryan (Must Not Follow, Trick Avoidance, Asymmetry/Powers, Shared Hands, Card Drafting) (20:04) - Patrick: #10 (24:58) - Ryan: #10 (28:05) - Patrick: #9 (23:20) - Ryan: #9 (35:41) - Patrick: #8 (39:17) - Ryan: #8 (45:06) - Patrick: #7 (49:45) - Ryan: #7 (53:46) - Patrick: #6 (01:00:00) - Ryan: #6 (01:03:31) - Patrick: #5 (01:08:00) - Ryan: #5 (01:11:42) - Patrick: #4 (01:16:48) - Ryan: #4 (01:21:56) - Patrick: #3 (01:24:47) - Ryan: #3 (01:29:40) - Patrick: #2 (01:34:20) - Ryan: #2 (01:38:35) - Patrick: #1 (01:43:09) - Ryan: #1(Full Recap List Of All Top Ten, Thanks To Cheynio)
(01:57:02) - PGC March Madness (01:58:04) - Airecon (01:59:09) - Trick Talkers Merch Store -
Join Ryan and Patrick in episode 30 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they bring you a multitude of board and card news updates, followed by a discussion of Cheez-Tricks, Infiltraitors, and The Kakapo.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(01:07) - TableTapas Games (Stellar Ventures) (04:26) - Board Game Dojo (Newest Jaina Episode) (06:27) - Harvest (Expansion) (13:30) - Xylotar and Sandbag (17:50) - The Six of VIII and Gnaughty Gnomes (Preorder here) (Carol's Rules Video) (DJ's Games) (21:14) - Dealer's Dilemma (Trickster's Table) (23:20) - T3C (Tricky) (27:32) - CityTriXX (31:08) - Schultzeey’s Release List and James' Taxonomy List (34:32) - Cheez-Tricks (Preorder) (53:37) - Infiltraitors (01:05:10) - The Kakapo: Buddy & Party (01:23:12) - Challenge Update For Ryan (01:23:40) - Makaifuda (Cards Unbarred Rules Video) -
Join Ryan and guest, Daniel Newman, in episode 29 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss MALT Con and all the games they played there.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(01:07) - Guest Introduction, Daniel Newman (02:00) - MALT Con (03:33) - Pepper/Jalape-NO! (05:40) - Scratch & Scramble (Not On BGG Yet) (08:30) - Cliffhanger (10:37) - Cabaret (14:30) - Extreme Tricks (16:41) - Wizards Cup (18:04) - 535/Oh Meow Bow (19:57) - Drones vs Seagulls (21:19) - OPEN (23:41) - Shock! Knights With Poison (25:52) - Witch's Shot Delivery Service (28:04) - Tezuma Master (31:38) - I Made A Contract... (Paste-ups) (34:00) - Stella Digger (36:29) - Sumida River (44:45) - The Kakapo: Buddy & Party (42:54) - Stellar Gauge (44:54) - Makaifuda (49:16) - Man-Eating House (52:55) - Gachapon Trick (Not On BGG Yet) (56:44) - Kikuri the Rock (01:00:37) - Owl About (01:05:00) - Shinobu no Gakkō (01:09:13) - Gossip Trip Trix (01:11:00) - BaskeTrite 2on2 (01:14:20) - PARADOMINETOR (01:17:27) - Iyados (01:21:41) - New Mill Store (Preorders) (01:22:52) - Makaifuda again (01:24:50) - Daniel's Board Game World: Underwater Cities -
Join Ryan and Patrick in episode 28 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss a handful of games they've played recently, bring a tiny update to the 2024 challenge, and more.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(00:43) - Ito/Ito Rainbow...Again, The Streak Continues! (07:30) - Tiny Challenge Update For Patrick (09:00) - Dog & Cat The Team (13:44) - Faraway (17:50) - Belote Coinchée (18:54) - Extreme Tricks (Print and Play Files) (33:55) - Four Clans Conflict Side Story (34:52) - Back To Extreme Tricks (42:25) - Shock! Knights With Poison: Revised Edition (Print and Play Files) (Twitter Post) (59:59) - Lunar and Mori (01:07:08) - General Allplay/Gaming Conversation (01:11:21) - Challenge Update For Ryan (Earthborne Rangers) (01:14:29) - General Gaming/Podcast Conversation -
Join Ryan and Patrick for episode 12 of Trick Talkers: Tea Time - shorter-ish length episodes where they talk about different topics within the trick-taking, climbing, and shedding world! In this episode, we discuss the winner of the first ever Trick Talkers Royal Rumble, the new challenge set by both of us, and the TGM Mystery Boxes from travel-games.co.uk and Board Game Dojo.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Twitter - @tricktalkers Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersTopics discussed during the episode:
(01:27) - Royal Rumble Winner: Skull King (04:54) - Discussion On Future Events (07:14) - 2024 Challenge: Board Game Dojo Podcast Episodes - 2023 Cleanse/Hot Take and 2024 Hopes/Goals (09:53) - 2024 Challenge: Guidelines and Details (19:11) - Patrick's First Game Of The Year: First Contact (21:27) - Ryan's First Game Of The Year: Magna Grecia (21:42) - 2024 Challenge: Additional Discussion (28:54) - Trick Talkers Geek Group (30:45) - Mr. Ben and Board Game Dojo: Tokyo Game Market (TGM) Mystery Boxes (33:40) - Holy Poop (36:26) - Board Game Dojo Discord Server -
Join Ryan and Patrick in episode 27 of Trick Talkers - a podcast all about trick-takers, climbers, shedders and other card games! In this episode, they discuss games they plan to play over the holidays as well as some games that were new to them.
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Discord - discord.gg/DBJzczy5km Email - [email protected] Linktree - https://linktr.ee/tricktalkers Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/tricktalkersGames/Topics discussed during the episode:
(02:12) - Dr. Seuss Grinch Grow Your Heart (03:06) - Ito (Ito Rainbow) (09:51) - Marvel Champions (17:50) - Monikers (22:45) - Fun Facts (26:26) - Duel Boy/Duel Boy Pocket (29:54) - That's Not A Hat (34:20) - Don't Get Got (40:48) - The Crew: Mission Deep Sea (48:55) - Dracula vs Van Helsing (59:00) - Duck (01:08:22) - War of the Ring: The Card Game (01:15:30) - Sail, Wizards Cup, and Jekyll & Hyde Vs Scotland Yard (01:16:22) - 2023 Fall Tokyo Game Market - Mostrar más