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In the summer of 2020 Tyler (Texas) Legacy High School sophomore Trude Lamb caught global attention when she successfully pushed to change the name of her high school from that of a confederate general and slave holder. Tune in as we discuss the current situation in Texas post winter storm, Trude’s journey as an activist, Trude as a runner, Trude’s future goals and dreams for herself and her community, and more!
Checkout an ESPN news article and Trude’s letter to her school here: https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/30045630/the-remarkable-story-how-teenage-runner-battled-legacy-robert-e-lee
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Content preparation: we discuss relationships with food, body, and eating disorders throughout this episode.
Thank you to guests and fellow Wildwood Girls Virtual Camp counselors Miranda DiBiasio, Emily Chaston, and Marci Klimek for making this conversation happen. Thank you to Marie Markham and Robyn McGilis for creating Wildwood Running, such a wonderful platform and opportunity for runners to collaborate, learn, and grow the current and future generations of females in the sport. Check them out at wildwoodrunning.com and wildwoodrunningpdx on instagram!!
In this conversation we cover….
Background and introductions Our “why” for running and the evolution of our “why” Our “why” for joining camp What knowledge we left our trail group with, what our trail group taught us What challenged us in our preconceived beliefs, current practices, and with facilitating a group How the topics covered at camp have showed up in our experiences Our transition from high school to college running The evolution of our relationship to food and our bodies Where we want to take the work of wildwood from here Finally, how everyone’s process to success in running and life looks different!Links to other resources discussed in this conversation:
Strong Runner Chicks: Strong Runner Chicks: http://www.strongrunnerchicks.com/ Maria Dalzot: https://www.mariadalzotrd.com/ Melody Fairchild: https://melodyfairchild.com/ Kara Bazzi of Opal Food and Body: https://www.opalfoodandbody.com/riley-nickols-interview/ Runner’s World article on how to talk to someone about an eating disorder: https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a28380503/amelia-boone-eating-disorders-discussion/
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After transferring from the University of Illinois, sophomore Emma Wilson now runs for Huntington University and is taking the collegiate running world by storm. During the craziness of the 2020 COVID-19 affected fall season, she ran a 20:18.7 6k (a PR of 1 minute), a 16:24 5k, and a NAIA national record time of 32:38.56 in her debut 10k (1 second off of the Olympic Trials standard!). Hear from Emma on how she overcame burnout and a stress fracture to make huge strides this season.
Emma’s roster: https://www.huathletics.com/roster/19/13/4880
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This episode was recorded at the end of May and I just didn’t get to it out until now. The conversation around gender in sport feels particularly relevant after the recent Caster Semenya ruling which you can read or listen more about here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/sports/olympics/caster-semenya-court-ruling.html and https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/case-caster-why-principle-trumped-bad-evidence-her/id1461719225?i=1000491007047and sign the petition (I was trying to find tangible ways to support Semenya) here: http://chng.it/KRQCkDJmys
In this episode, Juniper discusses:
How she got her start as a runner Feeling like she couldn’t be “both a transgendered person in a small rural town and also an athlete” Running as her entire identity, being “distant,” and living a dual-reality Parental pressure College decisions, aspirations, scholarship considerations, and trying to build the Montana dynasty Battling an injury and having the identity of running taken away leading to mental health challenges and the ultimate need to develop an identity outside of running Coming out to teammates and coaches Taking a year off of competing for hormone treatment Pressure and hype around return to competition Media, journalists, and who she let tell her story Backlash and opposition to progress Proudest moments and memories at Montana, COVID-19 ending her collegiate career early A sneak peak at June’s future pursuits in trail running and environmental philosophyFor more on Juniper’s story check out this video: https://www.spokesman.com/video/2019/sep/27/junes-run-transgender-montana-athlete-driven-succe/and this Dyestat article: https://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=584586
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In this episode...
Who is Nia Akins? Switching from soccer to running Mom’s influence and 400m success at the University of Missouri Draw to UPenn for nursing and people Memories from last collegiate meet HS experiences and goals leading into college Transitioning from west to east coast Turning point in realizing national caliper potential Mindset for performing best at biggest meets Building confidence in fitness through racing XC as an 800m/mid-distance runner The whole new experience of having the opportunities to race at the highest levels Experience running at USAs Geeking out over pro runners and finding focus in that atmosphere Surreal racing experiences Travel experiences: Chile study abroad winter break trip and Cornell-Penn UK summer trip Looking back at COVID-19 and college running career Future goals Looking towards Olympics, consistency and mindset change Messages to younger & future selves and younger college runnersSome of Nia’s accomplishments
2020 University of Pennsylvania Nursing and nutritional science major Ran second fastest 800m time in NCAA history (2:00.71) at the 2020 BU Valentine Invite 2019 NCAA D1 Indoor and Outdoor Nationals Runner-up in 800m Seventh-place finisher at USATF Outdoor Championships 8 UPenn School records Roster: https://pennathletics.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/roster/nia-akins/15790More Nia Media to check out:
Runner’s World article by Nia: “I’m an All-American Runner and Ivy League Grad. I Still Can’t Escape Racism.” https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a32825698/nia-akins-ncaa-runner-racial-discrimination/ Women’s Running: NCAA Star Nia Akins Plots Her Professional Future—in Seattle: https://www.womensrunning.com/culture/news/nia-akins-signs-with-brooks-beasts/ Dyestat QUARANTINE CONVERSATIONS - EP86 - NIA AKINS: https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=videos&video_id=298775 LetsRun Podcast: 800m Star and New Brooks Beast Nia Akins + Christian Coleman Gets Strike Three? https://www.letsrun.com/news/2020/06/coleman-nia-akins/***Donate to the National Queer and Trans Therapist of Color Network’s (NQTTCN) Mental Health Fund: https://linktr.ee/nqttcn ***
Awesome podcast episode about NQTTCN: https://lacura.podbean.com/?fbclid=IwAR2FOvBPqZJ-CMJQYOjRsyg7Z9mU38Mxwvi4OZZ9ONqZVgZGPbPXr4w-aBQ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/nqttcn/?hl=en For June 2020, contact me w/ confirmation of your donation (feel free to cover any personal info, donation amount, etc) and I pledge to contribute $5 for every new donation that a listener of this podcast makes to NQTTCN for up tp $100 of my own money total. Thank you :) Insta: @markoshaley Email: [email protected]Justice for the Black and Trans communities:
Petitions: https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/#petitions https://www.change.org/p/black-lives-matter-actvists-justice-for-nina-pop Justice in June educational resource: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H-Vxs6jEUByXylMS2BjGH1kQ7mEuZnHpPSs1Bpaqmw0/edit Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2020: https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020?fbclid=IwAR2AAZmmFTAlSGlAUVJndMrLdeqqJ498Nnj93UwKgwQLv9z1VBCwo6iFKO4 -
In this episode…
Who are the Drop Twins? How they got into running Seeking out some greater opportunities in HS, team focus on spirit & fun Falling in love with the University of Georgia College transition: Jess’ jump to XC & helping Sam become more competitive Sisterhood Eating disorders, therapy, relationship with food Food instagram @running_foodies Anxiety, depression, & injury Georgia’s 2017 XC season & sunday long run grinds International racing experiences Volunteering for the Special Olympics Goals and remaining eligibility head into into 5th yr Covid-19 Academic pursuits and aspirations Messages to younger and future selvesRosters:
Jesica Drop https://georgiadogs.com/sports/track-and-field/roster/jessica-drop/4467 Samantha Drop https://georgiadogs.com/sports/track-and-field/roster/samantha-drop/4468 Dyestat article: https://www.dyestat.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=593115-Jessica-and-Samantha-Drop-Share-Their-Favorite-Dishes-After-Learning-To-Embrace-FoodA Mental Health Guide for Athletes and Their Support Networks: https://www.rrca.org/education/mental-health-tips-for-runners
***Donate to the National Queer and Trans Therapist of Color Network’s (NQTTCN) Mental Health Fund: https://linktr.ee/nqttcn ***
Awesome podcast episode about NQTTCN: https://lacura.podbean.com/?fbclid=IwAR2FOvBPqZJ-CMJQYOjRsyg7Z9mU38Mxwvi4OZZ9ONqZVgZGPbPXr4w-aBQ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/nqttcn/?hl=en For June 2020, contact me w/ confirmation of your donation (feel free to cover any personal info, donation amount, etc) and I pledge to contribute $5 for every new donation that a listener of this podcast makes to NQTTCN for up tp $100 of my own money total. Thank you :) Insta: @markoshaley Email: [email protected]Petitions:
https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/#petitions https://www.change.org/p/black-lives-matter-actvists-justice-for-nina-popJustice in June educational resource: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H-Vxs6jEUByXylMS2BjGH1kQ7mEuZnHpPSs1Bpaqmw0/edit
Violence Against the Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming Community in 2020: https://www.hrc.org/resources/violence-against-the-trans-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2020?fbclid=IwAR2AAZmmFTAlSGlAUVJndMrLdeqqJ498Nnj93UwKgwQLv9z1VBCwo6iFKO4
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In this episode:
Fundraising campaign for NQTTCN (see below) Training during the pandemic Jazz’s ballet background and joining the University of Toronto’s track club in grade 8 The “curses” and challenges of female youth running Eating disorder recovery and pandemic diet culture Building a healthy, open, and supportive team environment Blackness as a runner in a white circle, during the current moments, and diversity in Canadian distance running Winning team national XC championships and qualifying for world juniors Mastery in executing a race plan Training from 8k in XC to mid-distance on the track Overcoming stress injury and sickness, finding joy in running Goals for last year of college Canadian club system and U of T’s inspiring group of post collegiate runnersSome of Jazz’s accomplishments:
2016 World U20 Championships 800m competitor and 4x400 relay bronze 2017 Canadian junior national 800m champion 2017 Pan American Junior Games 800m silver medal 2:04.52 2018 Canadian XC team national champions Roster: https://varsityblues.ca/sports/womens-track-and-field/roster/jazz-shukla/11592***Donate to the National Queer and Trans Therapist of Color Network’s (@NQTTCN) Mental Health Fund: https://linktr.ee/nqttcn ***
Awesome podcast episode about NQTTCN: https://lacura.podbean.com/?fbclid=IwAR2FOvBPqZJ-CMJQYOjRsyg7Z9mU38Mxwvi4OZZ9ONqZVgZGPbPXr4w-aBQ For June 2020, contact me w/ confirmation of your donation (feel free to cover any personal info, donation amount, etc) and I pledge to contribute $5 for every new donation that a listener of this podcast makes to NQTTCN for up to $100 of my own money total. Thank you :) Insta: @markoshaley Email: [email protected]Petitions: https://blacklivesmatters.carrd.co/#petitions
Justice in June educational resource: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H-Vxs6jEUByXylMS2BjGH1kQ7mEuZnHpPSs1Bpaqmw0/edit
1 Million Miles for Justice virtual running/biking/walking event (fundraising for the NAACP, National Civil Rights Museum, and Black Girls Run): http://www.wjrclub.com/1-million-miles.html?fbclid=IwAR1_Rua7v665QTxTX1DBqD-VMXXcd8mr7yKYujDu4Jgwj2ykytp3Niiy9Yc
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Dorcas Wasike has been on a history-making roll since entering the University of Louisville in 2016. She has made an impressive progression from 145th at the NCAA D1 XC Championship to 14th in 2018 and posted a runner-up finish in the 10k at the 2019 NCAA D1 Track Championship. On route, she has earned many ACC honors, school records, and school firsts.
With some key mentors, team support, and 6 sisters (all of whom are runners including marathon world record holder Brigid Kosgei!!) she has made the move from Kenya, recently nursed a hamstring injury, and always balances motherhood, work, and school as a nursing major with a psychology minor. For Dorcas, its about showing up, working hard, persevering, and just being who she is while finding trust in herself as a strong competitor worthy of being at the top of the NCAA. Watch out world, this rising red-shirt senior still has a full year of eligibility.
2x NCAA D1 XC All-American, 2x NCAA D1 Track All-American School records: 3k (indoor & outdoor), 5k (indoor & outdoor), 10k PRs: 10k 32:11, 5k 15:25, 3k 9:08, 6k(xc) 19:42 Track roster: https://gocards.com/sports/track-and-field/roster/dorcas-wasike/11062 Cross country roster: https://gocards.com/sports/cross-country/roster/dorcas-wasike/11405 -
After sitting out nearly two years (sophomore and junior) due to an achilles injury and surgery, the University of Mary’s Ida Narbuvoll was just getting back into her normal training when she won the high point crown at her conference meet taking the mile, 3k, and 5k. Heading into the 2020 Indoor NCAA D2 National Championships, the 5th year Civil Engineering major from Norway was set to run the 5k as the first seed (30 seconds ahead of 2nd place with her 16:14 school record), 3k as the second seed (9:26.52), and the DMR before the event was cancelled due to COVID-19. Fortunately with the new rule change, she will have a shot to return to the track for a 6th year while pursuing her master’s. Outdoors will give her the opportunity to continue showcasing her endurance in the 10k, an event she previously established herself in.
In this episode we cover:
Nordic skiing & running in Norway Embracing the opportunity to move to the US & compete in the NCAA Transferring from the University of Edinboro in Pennsylvania to UMary The challenges of injury & an absolutely incredible comeback High mileage trainingMore of Ida’s Accomplishments:
Norweigian National Jr XC Champion Norweigian National Jr Half Marathon Record Holder 1:18 Norweigan Nordic Skiing Championships: 8th place Norweigan Track Championships: 4th 5k, 6th 10k 4-time NCAA D2 XC All-American 6-time NCAA D2 Top 20 finish on the track Roster: https://goumary.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/roster/ida-narbuvoll/4797 https://goumary.com/news/2020/3/24/womens-track-and-field-narbuvoll-newell-named-finalists-for-ustfccca-national-indoor-track-field-honors.aspx
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After experiencing her first major injury, a sudden coaching change, and struggling with homesickness, it was time for Audrey Belf to make the courageous decision to transfer. She left the community she had formed during her 2 years at Georgetown and headed back home to the University of Michigan; the state where she had established herself as one of the all-time best and top in the country as a high schooler.
At the University of Michigan, Audrey earned a bachelor’s in Kinesiology in 2019, and a master’s in Supply Chain Management in 2020. She also took a step back from a perfectionist mindset, focused on the little parts of the process to get to the bigger goals, learned from different training philosophies, and grew into a more balanced student-athlete.
Finally, we discuss the dominoes of COVID-19 news that ultimately stripped away her last experiences as a 5th year and how she looks to reinvent herself in a post-collegiate atmosphere.
Audrey will be continuing some of her athletic pursuits as part of the USA Triathlon Collegiate Recruitment Program. To learn more about the program check out: https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Triathlon/Elite/Collegiate-Recruitment
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At age 18, Grace Norman made history winning gold at the first ever installment of the 2016 Paralympic Triathlon event. Twenty four hours later she was tearing up the track, winning bronze in the 400m (the longest track race offered for amputees). Meanwhile back home, she was already 3 weeks past the start of her first-year year of college. In this episode we talk racing experiences, overcoming injury, the biomechanical and controversial aspects of being an amputee athlete, what it means to be a Paralympian, and the current challenges Grace is facing due to COIVD-19. Hear from Grace on how she's worked with what she has and learned to not take anything for granted while balancing life as an elite triathlete, NCAA runner, and oh did I mention she is also a nursing major.
Some compelling info on amputee runners:
TEDxBoulder - Alena Grabowski - Put Yourself in Someone Else's Legs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiLLZKp0ReA Blade Runners: https://www.colorado.edu/coloradan/2018/06/01/blade-runners For 'Blade Runners' Taller Doesn't Necessarily Mean Faster: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200220182745.htm Curve-running in Uni-lateral Amputees: https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-03/tcob-asw031016.phpGrace's Team USA bio:
https://www.teamusa.org/usa-triathlon/athletes/Grace-Norman -
Recruited to play softball at NCAA D3 Bethany College in West Virginia, Sammy Seymour was not finding the team camaraderie she expected. Now approaching graduation, hear how Sammy put herself out there and ended up on the Bethany cross country and track teams. This conversation touches on finding and creating a supportive team environment, managing backwards thinking and differences in point of view, and the many experiences of learning and growing in a new sport on a small team at a small school.
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After winning a Footlocker national title her sophomore year of high school in 2012, injury and surgery to both feet would side-line Anna Rohrer. However, she made an epic return to win the New Balance Nationals 5k on the track and then redeem herself as a Footlocker champion in 2014.
Now, as she concludes five years of running for the University of Notre Dame where she earned an undergrad degree in neuroscience and is about to complete her master’s in business; Anna reflects on how this opportunity allowed her to become a better version of herself as one of the most accomplished and resilient runners nationally. In this episode, Anna speaks on transitioning to college, gaining perspective while battling injury, faith, gutsy racing tactics, favorite memories, and some visions for a future in which tenacity will see her through to her full potential.
As a collegiate runner some of Anna’s accomplishments include...
First from Notre Dame to be a four-time All-American in Cross Country Five time All-American in indoor and outdoor track Breaking Olympian Molly Huddle’s school record when she placed first against a field of pros to run 31:58 in her 10k debut at the Stanford Invitational Placing 6th in the 10k at the NCAA Outdoor Track Championships in which ALL top 6 women ran under the 30+ yr old meet record (the race Alice Wright took out as discussed in this episode) More from her roster: https://und.com/roster/anna-rohrer/
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How do they do it? This is a question that Taylor Knibb and Kyleigh Spearing, two of the top triathletes in the world get asked a lot, but one they often ask themselves as well. Even more admirable than the on-paper accolades, is the gratitude, humility, and wisdom in which the Cornell University seniors impart as they reflect on challenges faced, experiences had, and lessons learned. For Taylor and Kyleigh, success has been a matter of establishing strong support systems, incorporating fun, and rolling with the punches. In addition to triathlon, the dynamic duo were key leaders in taking their cross country team to the 2019 NCAA D1 National Championships after what was an extremely uncertain start to their season. In the face of the COVID-19 pandemic, their enlightened perspectives and open attitudes are guiding them through the abrupt end of their collegiate careers in the presence of an unpredictable future.
Background for the Non-Triathlete:
USA Triathlon (USAT) has a developmental program for Youth Elite ages 13-15 (super-sprint distance: 375m swim, 10km bike, 2.5km run) and Junior Elite ages 16-19 (sprint distance: 750m, 20km, 5km race). The program consists of a summer series including the Richmond Youth/Junior Elite Cup race in Virginia and the Flatland Youth/Junior Elite Cup race in Iowa. The series culminates with a national championship where the top 3 Juniors are selected to represent Team USA at the International Triathlon Union (ITU) World Triathlon Grand Final for the Under 20 (U20) Junior division. As a bridge from U20 competition to Elite, Olympic level competition, there is the U23 category. The standard Olympic Distance triathlon is a 1500m swim, 40km bike, and 10km run. For more information: https://www.teamusa.org/usa-triathlon/elite -
With no sponsor, no coach, no team, and no training partners, Gracie Griffith’s plan might be a little unorthodox, but the 21 year old Clemson University senior is quickly emerging as one of the top marathoners in the country. Heading into the U.S. Olympic Team Trials for the Marathon on Feb. 29, 2020, Gracie was ranked 500th but managed to handle the adverse conditions to place 95th in a PR of 2:43.36. So how does the double major, double minor, law school bound student do it? In her two years of marathon-ing Gracie has recovered from stress fractures, refined her training, and attempted to join the Clemson XC team as a senior all while keeping joy at the center of her craft.
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Everyone loves a good comeback story, but in order to reach the glory of the comeback, you have to go through the painstaking process of writing the story. Pen in hand, Princeton sophomore and NCAA D1 runner, Page Lester, is recovering from her third bone injury in two years. Page’s first draft with injury was in high school when a labrum tear in her shoulder ultimately ended her competitive swimming and triathlon career for the time being. Ever since, it has been a constant revision process of learning what it will take to get her period back and improve her bone density so that she can stay healthy to realize her potential as a runner. In turning the next page, the 2x Footlocker finalist, Team USA triathlete, and 2018 NCAA D1 XC Championships competitor gets real about the mental challenges that come with injury.
Bone Health & Periods in Female Runners (2004 publication but most comprehensive I could find. We need to disseminate the research in this field to a more general audience, increase awareness, and extend medical knowledge!!)
Please seek professional advice for injury & health concerns!
https://web.stanford.edu/~kcobb/bfit/book/index.htmlUSA Triathlon Junior Elite Program Information
https://www.teamusa.org/usa-triathlon/elite/junior-elite2017 DyeStat Article on Page
https://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=495275*Correction: email is [email protected] (no "the")
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In a detour from the normal interview format of my podcast, I share my story of over-training, binge eating disorder, and the mental health struggles I have faced during my journey as a runner, swimmer, and triathlete from high school to college. Join me for some stories and thoughts on breaking stigmas and breaking silence around mental illness in the running community.
Running on Om Podcast Episode 223: Soul Sister Sessions on Eating Disorder Recovery in Running with Abbey Cooper and Julia Hanlon
http://runningonom.com/podcast-223/
Rachel Steil: Author of Running in Silence, advocate for ED awareness in running
https://runninginsilence.org/
Binge Eating Disorder in Athletes
https://www.eatingdisorderhope.com/blog/binge-eating-disorder-and-athletes
Eating Disorder Helpline
https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/help-support/contact-helpline
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“Fly fast and free, why not me?” This is the motto that Nicole Clermont, an NCAA Division 1 runner at Boston College, runs by and what has kept her going through the ups and downs of massive PRs, winning a national championship, racing for Team USA, volunteering for the Special Olympics of Costa Rica, stress fracture recovery, eating disorder recovery, anxiety, and perfectionism. Nicole openly discusses using practices like journaling, spirituality, relationship building, and meditation to rewire her brain so that she thinks differently about food and body image in a way that allows her to honor the strong, confident, badass runner she is. Through learning self care and self love, Nicole’s healing is the groundwork for her continued growth, allowing her to rediscover what it’s like to feel alive, liberated, and free. Nicole has learned that “my body is either what will make me limitless or give me limits and I have to respect it,” leaving the message that “my voice has so much power, your voice matters... if you are struggling, you are not alone, you can get help, and you can be a successful runner no matter what your body type is.”
For more information on the female athlete triad, eating disorders in athletes, and some resources for seeking help, you can check out the NEDA website here: https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/eating-disorders-athletes
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Murder is the 3rd leading cause of death for Native American women and is a normalized part of growing up on a reservation, so for 18 year old Rosalie Fish of the Cowlitz and Muckleshoot tribes, running came from a place of healing. Rosalie uses her platform as a multiple time high school state champion in Washington, and now as a collegiate runner at Iowa Central Community College, to advocate for indigenous rights and to give a voice to those silenced by the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women epidemic (MMIW). Hear from Rosalie on topics such as how “racism against native Americans is ingrained in our athletic society”, respectful ally-ship, the importance of mentors and community connections, transitioning to collegiate running, and how her mindset shifted from running for a PR to running “so that [her] relatives would be seen”.
Info on the Violence Against Women Act:
https://www.fcnl.org/updates/reauthorize-the-violence-against-women-act-with-strong-provisions-for-native-women-1582
Rosalie’s TedTalk:
https://www.ted.com/talks/rosalie_fish_running_for_missing_and_murdered_indigenous_women
Info on ending Native American mascots:
http://www.ncai.org/proudtobe
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After graduating from Scripps College, Olivia Del Guercio took on her next challenge - moving across the country to study as a math post-baccalaureate student at Smith College, but her ambition for growth and strength didn’t stop there. In this episode of Triple Knot, hear from Olivia on how her philosophy of “doing things because they are hard when you don’t know what else to do” ultimately led her to use her first year of NCAA eligibility at age 23 by joining Smith’s track and cross country teams. This conversation features the joys of volleyball, refining embroidery skills at a quantum computing lab, engaging in the process of reframing negative body image, redefining identity and role on a team, and advice that any math post-bacc prospect or woman’s college attendee trying to talk to men could use, and yes, it all connects back to running.
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