Episodios
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With the World Wide Wander just weeks away, we've edited together just a few of our favourite guests from the Wanderful podcast - sharing what they love about taking their creativity for a walk.
If you would like to join us in exercising your imagination, take a wander to https://www.theworldwidewander.com and sign up for free Walkshops across the globe, special guests, inspiration, ideas and laughter, all with like minded folk wanting to find #betterways
Timeline:
00.00 - 00.47: Intro Theme
00.47 - 04.55: Introducing the World Wide Wander
The Perfect Strangers
04.55 - 09.04: Pippa Evans
09.05 - 11.24: Ruby Rare
11.25 - 14.33: Sarah Ellis
15.12 - 16.50: Philip Cowell
16.51 - 21.01: Deborah Coughlin
21.02 - 23.13: Sir Tim Smit
24.19 - 25.50: Traci Ruble
25.51 - 27.20: Oli Barrett
27.21 - 31.05: Kia Cannons
31.06 - 34.24: Libby DeLana
34.25 - 38.17: Tom Morley
38.18 - 39.56: Satish Kumar
40.25 - 41.30: Sarah Corbett
41.31 - 42.40: Phillip Blom
42.41 - 44.18: Tina Roth Eisenberg
44.19 - 46.54: Introducing our Perfect Strangers / Reminder of the World Wide Wander
46.55 - 47.15 End Credits
Credits
David Pearl (Host)
Web: https://www.davidpearl.net
Web: https://wanderfulpodcast.com
Twitter: @davidpearlhere
Instagram: davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
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Hello wanderers⊠welcome to the finale of our fifth season of âWanderfulâ".
If youâve listened to any of the previous episodes, you will know this is a podcast which has been designed to be walked to, providing you with some âinspiration on the goâ
Every week we invite an inspiring guest to join us⊠somebody with a refreshing take on life and its various twists and turns.
What you donât know is that lots of the wonderful conversations get left on the cutting room floor.
However⊠David and our producer, Andrew, have scooped up some of that interview gold so you can take a wander through the magic we missed out on.
As ever⊠you can listen to this podcast in your home, but we think you will get the most inspiration if you boot up and join David @davidpearl_here @streetwisdom_ out on the streets or https://wanderfulpodcast.com
Season 5 finale features conversations with pianist, singer, choir leader, environmental campaigner and curator, Holly Cullen-Davies: Bestselling author, broadcaster and two-time TED speaker and voice of the Slow Movement, Carl HonorĂ©: Peace-pilgrim, life-long activist, and former monk, Satish Kumar: Senior Partner McKinsey & Co, Arne Gast: Historian and author of several novels, journalism, politics, and philosophy; radio presenter, documentary film maker and public lecturer, Philipp Blom: The âStand Up Drummerâ, musician, key note speaker and team builder, Tom Morley and executive creative director, founder of âThis Morning Walkâ, co-host of the podcast This Morning Walk and author of âDo Walkâ, Libby De Lana
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Time Line
00.00 - 00.44: Theme
00.45 - 02.50: Introducing Season 5 Omnibus
02.51 - 03.55: Introducing Libby De Lana
03.57 - 08.09: Libby DeLana: The Hell Yes Chapter!
08.10 - 10.00: Introducing Tom Morley
10.02 - 15.53: Tom Morley: A Brush With The Law
15.55 - 18.40: Introducing Philipp Blom
18.42 - 21.29: Philipp Blom: Grouse & Imagine: The Culture Of The Cafe
21.30 - 23.52: Introducing Arne Gast
23.55 - 29.40: Arne Gast: Riding the S-Curves
29.45 - 31.08: Introducing Satish Kumar
31.10 - 33.13: Satish Kumar: A Maternal Wisdom
33.20 - 35.07: Introducing Carl Honoré
35.10 - 37.34: Carl Honoré: The Genesis of (B)older
37.40 - 39.00: Introducing Holly Cullen-Davies
39.04 - 41.54: Holly Cullen-Davies: Thula Mama
41.57 - 44.00: Epilogue: Gratitude
44.00 - 44.26: Closing credits
Quotes
Libby DeLana
âIâm a big believer in the beginnerâs mind. Starting things is terrifying and wonderful and interesting, so am I a beginner? Iâm a 60 year old beginner of everything.â
Tom Morley
âThe Clash sung âI fought the law and the law won.â I would love to re-mix that and call it âI fought the law and the people won.â We have to stand up for our eroding rights.â
Philipp Blom
âThe coffee you buy (in the cafe) is in fact not a cup of coffee: itâs an entrance ticket. It entitles you to sit there as long as you want⊠that means of course, that things can develop and you can sit there and watch people, and sit there and read your novel or sit there and write your novel. Itâs such a luxury in todayâs world.â
Arne Gast
â I see that my (S) curve is flattening when i become at ease; when I feel like I got this, I like this, thatâs the moment the inner voice starts saying⊠hmm.. letâs do another near-death experience, start anew somewhere.â
Satish Kumar
âWhatever you see⊠is divine, is sacred. There is no separation between humans and nature and no separation between God and nature. This is the beauty of Indian culture: everything is God, everything is divine, everything is nature. This is what I learned from my Mother.â
Carl Honoré
âIn the blink of an eye, I went from goal-scorer to Grandad⊠age took on this terrible power⊠defining and limiting me. I just thought this canât be right. Why was I feeling a door was being slammed in my face just because of the numbers on my birth certificate?â
Holly Cullen-Davies
âSinging is proven to release endorphins in the same way as exercise is and itâs proven to release more endorphins when you do it with other people and I just see these people light up.â
Links
Libby DeLana
Web: https://libbydelana.com/
Twitter: @parkhere
Instagram: @parkhere
This Morning Walk: https://www.thismorningwalk.com/
Tom Morley
Website: https://tommorley.com/
Twitter: @TomMorley
Instagram: _tommorley_
Philipp Blom
Blomcast: https://blomcast.buzzsprout.com/
Website: https://philipp-blom.eu/cms/en/
Arne Gast
Website: https://aberkyn.com/humans/arne-gast/
Satish Kumar
Website: https://www.resurgence.org/satish-kumar/
Carl Honore
Instagram: @carlhonore
Instagram: @carlhonore
Twitter: @carlhonore
YouTube:@carlhonore
Facebook: @carlhonore and @carlhonorepage
LinkedIn: @carlhonore
Pinterest: @carlhonore
TED Talk 1: Slow
TED Talk 2: Age
TED Course: How to slow down
Holly Cullen-Davies
Web: https://www.concertsdontcosttheearth.org/
Web: http://www.hollycullendavies.com/
Instagram @daviesanddaughters
Instagram @thulamamalondon
David Pearl (Host)
Web: https://www.davidpearl.net
Web: https://wanderfulpodcast.com
Twitter: @davidpearlhere
Instagram: davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
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âFind what youâre best at and do thatâ
Holly Cullen-Davies is a pianist, singer, choir leader, environmental campaigner and curator. Holly has been performing regularly since the age of six and working as a freelance musician for over fifteen years.
She studied at the CNR de Lyon, France, The Royal Northern College of Music and The Guildhall School of Music and Drama studying with Kasia Borowiak, Carole Presland, Charles Owen and Martin Roscoe. She set up Live Junction which received an Emerging Excellence Award from Help Musicians UK in 2013 and The Kidsâ Concert Company which has been funded by The Arts Council for the last 4 years to take professional concerts in to primary schools.
More recently she set up Concerts Don't Cost The Earth to bring together the two things she is most passionate about: live music and protecting the planet for our next generation. Concerts Don't Cost The Earth supports both musicians and our precious world at the same time. You can find out more about how to support it or get involved here: www.concertsdontcosttheearth.org
Time Line
00.00 - 00.44 Intro
00.45 - 05.13 Introducing Holly Cullen-Davies
05.17 - 07.20 The inspiration behind 'Concerts Donât Cost The Earthâ
07.35 - 09.02 The role music can play in having difficult conversations about the climate
09.05 - 12.45 Hollyâs musical journey
12.46 - 16.16 Introducing classical music to unusual spaces
17.12 - 21.46 Holly introduces and plays Chick Corea's Children Song no. 6
21.48 - 24.15 The element of surprise and the juxtaposition of unusual things
25.10 - 26.54 The etymology of âconcertâ
26.55 - 31.37 What fuels Hollyâs activism?
32.22 - 34.47 Find what youâre best at and do that: being the change you want to see
34.50 - 36.01 Subsidise the trains campaign - an activistâs song
36.03 - 41.27 Holly introduces and plays Alberto Ginastera's Danza del gaucho matrero (Dance of the outlaw cowboy) from Danzas Argentinas
41.30 - 43.50 How people can organise a âConcert Donât Cost The Earthâ concert
44.00 - 47.34 David introduces âpoggingâ
47.35 - 48.00 Outro
Quotes
âIâve always loved the intimate concerts⊠up close⊠where you can hear the workings of the instrument.â (Holly)
âConcerts Donât Cost The Earth exist to start conversations about the climate crisis through the power of music.â (Holly)
âWhat I really got a kick out of was introducing classical music to people that didnât usually hear it and putting it in spaces where you didnât usually hear it. I did a lot of gigs early on where I was the classical act in a cabaret of other acts and it kind of blew people away.â (Holly)
âI hate people looking at a programme during a concert. I think thatâs a shame for them to be sidetracked. Iâm hoping that Iâm compelling enough as a pianist that theyâre just listening.â (Holly)
I want people to feel the breath, the moment between the pieces and not know whatâs coming next.â (Holly)
âEvery percentage of a degree is absolutely critical and going over 1.5 or certainly going over 2.0 degrees will have catastrophic runaway effects that could lead to the end of all life on earth.â (Holly)
âWhen we do risk assessment in other parts of life: medicine, building bridges, flying aeroplanes⊠we donât take risks. If the scientists are saying this could be a disaster, we donât administer that drug, we donât build that bridge, we donât fly that aeroplane. And the risk here (climate) is huge. And the answer is we have to stop using fossil fuels⊠we have to phase them out completely by 2030.â (Holly)
Links
Holly Cullen Davies (Guest)
Web: https://www.concertsdontcosttheearth.org/
Web: http://www.hollycullendavies.com/
Instagram @daviesanddaughters
Instagram @thulamamalondon
David Pearl (Host)
Web: https://www.davidpearl.net
Web: https://wanderfulpodcast.com
Twitter: @davidpearlhere
Instagram: davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
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âI think of each year of my life now, as a level⊠in a game.â
Carl Honoré is a bestselling author, broadcaster and two-time TED speaker. He is also the voice of the Slow Movement.
After working with street children in Brazil, Carl covered Europe and South America for the Economist, Observer, Miami Herald, Houston Chronicle, National Post (Canada), Time and other publications.
His first book, In Praise of Slow, chronicles the global trend toward putting on the brakes in everything from work to food to parenting. The Financial Times said it is âto the Slow Movement what Das Kapital is to communismâ.
Carlâs second book, Under Pressure explores how to raise and educate children in a fast world and was hailed by Time as a âgospel of the Slow Parenting movementâ.
Carlâs third book, The Slow Fix, explores how to tackle complex problems in every walk of life, from health and relationships to business and politics, without falling for superficial, short-term quick fixes.
His fourth book, Bolder: How To Age Better And Feel Better About Ageing, is a spirited manifesto against ageism.
Carl recently published his first childrenâs book, Itâs The Journey Not the Destination
Published in 35 languages, Carl has landed on bestseller lists in many countries.
In Praise of Slow was a BBC Radio 4 Book of the Week and the inaugural choice for the Huffington Post Book Club. It also featured in a British TV sitcom, Argentinaâs version of Big Brother and a TV commercial for the Motorola tablet.
Under Pressure was shortlisted for the Writersâ Trust Award, the top prize for non-fiction in Canada.
Bolder was also a BBC Radio 4 Book of the Week as well as a Readerâs Digest (UK) Book of the Month.
Carl featured in a series for BBC Radio 4 called The Slow Coach in which he helped frazzled, over-scheduled people slow down. He also presented a television show called Frantic Family Rescue on Australiaâs ABC 1.
Carl lives in London. While researching his first book on slowness he was slapped with a speeding ticket.
The Podcast was recorded live at The Kings Place London on the 27th February, 2023.
Timeline
00.00 - 00.44 Theme & Intro
00.45 - 03.28 Introducing Carl Honore
03.30 - 07.55 How Carl came to write a book on ageing: The London Jets
07.56 - 10.09 Myth-busting Ageing: The Story of Jacko
10.10 - 13.14 The Effects of Ageism
13.15 - 14.00 The âStill' Syndrome
14.00 - 15.44 Inter-Generational Activities
15.45 - 18.00 The âVillageâ School
18.00 - 23.52 David Pearl - âTanzlied des Pierrotsâ by Erich Korngoldâs from Die tote Stadt (The Dead City)
23.54 - 32.34 Ageing and Singing: How the voice evolves with age
32.36 - 35.25 How does Carl now feel about age?
35.26 - 37.40 Drawing the line of your life: where do you put the âxâ?
37.41 - 38.36 David Pearl - âIdealeâ by Paolo Tosti (excerpt)
38.38 - 40.15 Epilogue
40.16 - 40.37 End Titles
Quotes
âAll of my books start with an existential crisis.â (Carl)
âThe thing about ageism is that it falls more heavily on us who are in the later years of life, because it has got tangled up in the cult of youth, the idea that younger is better. Ageing is seen, especially in our western cultures, it is seen as something to be ashamed of, to feel guilty of, to be disgusted by⊠to deny.â (Carl)
âOne of my bugbears is the phrase⊠showing my age. We should be showing off our ageâ (Carl)
âWhen you donât know people of different ages, into that space rush all the grim toxic stereotypes about ageing. What they do find is that as soon as you start breaking down the silos and mixing people up that the stereotypes start to fall away.â (Carl)
âBefore writing âBolderâ I was a full card carrying member of the cult of youth. I never would have given my age. I would have low-balled it. I just felt awful about the whole idea of growing older and would have pushed it away. Now I feel genuinely at ease with it.â (Carl)
âMy metaphor for ageing is a gaming analogy. I think of each year as a level in a game. Right now Iâm at level 55. Iâm enjoying level 55 to the hilt. Iâm gathering as much treasure as I can have. Iâm enjoying all the adventures.â (Carl)
âEvery age has its pros and cons. Every age can be glorious and wonderful but only if we embrace it.â (Carl)
Links
Carl Honore (Guest)
Instagram: @carlhonore
Instagram: @carlhonore
Twitter: @carlhonore
YouTube:@carlhonore
Facebook: @carlhonore and @carlhonorepage
LinkedIn: @carlhonore
Pinterest: @carlhonore
TED Talk 1: Slow
TED Talk 2: Age
TED Course: How to slow down
David Pearl (Host)
Web: https://www.davidpearl.net
Twitter: @davidpearlhere
Instagram: davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
Anthony Ingle (Piano)
Website: https://impropera.co.uk
Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-ingle-3339a915/
Fiona Finsbury (Opera Singer & Actor)
Instagram: @fionafinsbury
Genevieve Tawiah (Performance & Vocal Physiotherapist / Dancer)
Instagram: @tawiahphysio
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Satish Kumar
âGoodbye, Rene Descartes!â
Peace-pilgrim, life-long activist, and former monk, Satish Kumar has been inspiring global change for over 50 years. Aged 9, Satish renounced the world and became a wandering Jain monk. Then in his 20s, he undertook a pilgrimage for peace, walking for two years without money from India to America for the cause of nuclear disarmament. Now in his 80s, Satish has devoted his life to campaigning for ecological regeneration, social justice, and spiritual fulfilment.
A world-renown author and international speaker, Satish founded The Resurgence Trust, an educational charity that seeks to inform and inspire a just future for all. He was the Editor of the charityâs change-making magazine, Resurgence & Ecologist, for over 40 years, making him the UK's longest-serving editor of the same magazine. He continues to serve this publication as Editor Emeritus and by writing for each and every trailblazing issue.
Satish would like to offer you 20% off membership of The Resurgence Trust. When you join, you will receive a range of membership benefits including the hope-inspiring, bi-monthly Resurgence & Ecologist magazine, and support Satish (and the charity he founded) in protecting the future of people and planet. Find out more about Satishâs work and this offer.
https://www.resurgence.org/membership/satish-offer.html
Timeline
00.00 - 00.43 - Theme
00.44 - 05.05 - Introducing Satish Kumar
05.06 - 09.20 - Explaining Soil / Soul / Society: A new trinity for our time
09.21 - 11.55 - Making soil and planting our own food in cities
11.56 - 14.18 - Humans are nature too - we are not separate
14.19 - 15.40 - Revering nature at home
15.41 - 16.56 - Meditating on the river
16.57 - 20.20 - The intelligence of nature - a living organism
20.21 - 21.24 - Moving from âegoâ to âecoâ
21.25 - 24.09 - Where Satish draws his energy, motivation and hope
24.10 - 26.50 - The link between economy and ecology
26.52 - 30.50 - Pilgrimages and walking for peace
30.51 - 32.41 - The freedom from walking
32.42 - 36.30 - How to engage with strangers: trust and love: the state of mind of the pilgrim
36.30 - 38.36 - Re-writing Descartes
38.43 - 40.35 - The Wanderful Exercise: The Trust Walk
40.56 - 44.05 - Epilogue: Trust is a powerful thing to spread around
44.06 - 45.18 - End Credits
Quotations
âI wanted to have a new trinity for our time and that trinity should represent holistic thinking⊠everything connecting with each other. So I came up with a new trinity for our time and I called it soil, soul and society.â (Satish)
âHuman beings are literally soil beings. Human comes from the Latin âhumusâ and humus means soil. So human beings are soil beings. Our bodies are soil transformed.â (Satish)
âWe are all nature, there is no separation. We have to think about living in harmony with nature and making good use of nature not mis-use of nature, because we are nature.â (Satish)
âDonât trust a philosophy that has not been tested by walking.â (Satish)
âWhen you are walking you are free. You are a free spirit. Your body is free. Your mind is free. You are not bound.â (Satish)
âWhen you are walking for peace, you are putting your body where your mouth is.â (Satish)
âMy friend and I decided to walk to the four nuclear capitols of the world. So we started from New Deli and we walked to Moscow, Paris, London and Washington DC. 8000 miles. 2.5 years.â (Satish)
âIf you are walking, even if in a city, if you are walking, you are free. Walk everyday if you want to experience and taste of freedom. When you are walking you carry no burden on your shoulders, you are not worried, you are just walking. By walking you connect with the soil, you connect with your soul, your spirit, your consciousness, your imagination, your answers come when you are walking. All your questions can be answered when youâre walking.â (Satish)
âLet go of fear and cultivate trust. Trust everybody and talk to everybody. People are good. Enemies are only creations of the mind.â (Satish)
âIf you have the state of mind of a pilgrim, then you trust. If hardship comes, if difficulties come, welcome it. This will make you strong. â (Satish)
Links
Satish Kumar (Guest)
Website: https://www.resurgence.org/satish-kumar/
David Pearl (Host)
Website: https://www.davidpearl.net
Website: https://www.wanderfulpodcast.com
Intagram: @davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
Instagram: @Sonicoyster
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Arne Gast, Senior Partner McKinsey & Co
âWe have to re-write all the rules.â
The core of Arneâs work is creating organisations for the future and making change personal and systemic in high-stake transitions.
As the global lead of McKinseyâs âPowering Performance Transformationsâ offering, Arne helps to create positive change â through shifts in culture, stronger leadership, new capabilities and liberating structures. McKinseyâs team of more than 1,000 change experts include their own Aberkyn facilitators, communication mavericks, implementation experts, learning architects and organization specialists â trying to combine the best ideas and evidence- based methods for the leaders they serve.
Currently, Arne is working on a book called âSchoklandâ â exploring the role of leadership teams in this decisive decade. Previously, he was part of the teams writing the books Leadership at Scale, Beyond Performance, Reorg and (as a student at INSEAD) Blue Ocean Strategy.
Arneâs social impact passion is education. He co-founded Leerkracht Foundation with a committed team, and over the years helped more than 1000 Dutch schools with an inspiring cultural change approach to improve outcomes. He also worked with the Dutch-Moroccan Leadership Institute, Young Leaders Malaysia, schools for highly gifted children, and multiple universities including the founding of ISB in Hyderabad, India. His own educational background includes an MBA from INSEAD Fontainebleau, and a MSc Organization Economics from Erasmus University in Rotterdam âpreceded by a year of Liberal Arts at Ole Miss, the University of Mississippi.
Arne splits his time between the Netherlands and Malaysia, with his wife, 4 children and a selection of dogs and cats. In his free time, he loves playing or coaching field hockey, gardening and growing apples, dabbling with black-white Leica photography, and visiting small book stores and reading many, many books.
Timeline
00.00 - 00.44 Theme & Intro.
00.45 - 05:08 Introducing Arne Gast.
05.10 - 08.45 An inspiring teacher: the story of Mr Bone and the thirst for knowledge.
08:47 - 10.02 The areas of unknowing: the mischievous desire to help people touch the areas they are not familiar with.
10.05 - 11.30 How things work and re-writing the rules: re-inventing and finding a new world.
11.31 - 15.35 Arneâs appetite for the future comes from hope.
15.35 - 16.30 What we can learn from the Nordic countries.
17.00 - 19.39 Re-inventing how we talk to each other.
19.40 - 23:50 Rejoicing in the not knowing: thriving on reinvention.
23.51 - 26.43 Life was âeasyâ for companies in the past - now we have to do things differently - considering C02 neutral / net positive / digital transformation /
you cannot source from China or Russia anymore / full diversity / climate cri sis - how do we do all of this?
26:48 - 30.40 The role of story and the methods we like to work with: Whatâs the new narrative?
31.00 - 31.30 What is to what if⊠rather than concentrate on what the current stories are and letâs imagine different futures.
31.31 - 33.15 The mind is like an art gallery - a lot of Rothko at the moment - can we put a Van Gough in there?
33.48 - 38.22 Telling stories and using experimentation as a way forward.
38.24 - 41:22 Arneâs metaphor - Schokland
41.25 - 44.00 The Wanderful Exercise: Seeing the world as an art gallery
44.15 - 48.45 Epilogue
48.47 - 49.54 Outro and Credits
Quotations
âWe have to re-write all the rules. It is not the end of history. It is only beginning. It is our time in the next decade that we are going to re-invent it. We are going to do regenerative agriculture together and find the new world.â (Arne)
âMen will not survive, they will prevail.â (William Faulkner)
âI like starting things anew and when something gets too stable, I want to move on.â (Arne)
âThe wisdom is in so many different fragments of people that if we can talk to each other and co-create with each other then we can find a new place.â (Arne)
âI like to spark some joy in the unknowing. Itâs all an experiment we are doing. There are no answers anymore and even the questions are unclear right now.â (Arne)
âBe kind with people.â (Arne)
âNarrative is one of the most powerful tools we have. Itâs a way to really inspire people.â (Arne)
âAmplification of the bad news is going up and it limits people from taking agency to say what do I want and what is the world I want to create.â (Arne)
âImagine different futures - letâs use that.â (David)
âThe story is the first step. Iâve seen it without really being there. Just by thinking we get the medicine.â (Arne)
âDip a toe in the water as an experiment but just keep telling yourself⊠itâs just an experiment.â (Arne)
Links
Arne Gast (Guest)
Website: https://aberkyn.com/humans/arne-gast/
David Pearl (Host)
Website: https://www.davidpearl.net/
Instagram: @davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
Instagram: @Sonicoyster
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Philipp Blom
âHistory is a mess of facts.â
Philipp Blom (1970) is a historian and author of several novels, journalism, politics, and philosophy. He also works a radio presenter, documentary film maker and as a public lecturer.
Philipp was born in Hamburg and grew up in Detmold, in northern Germany. After studying history, philosophy and Jewish studies in Vienna and Oxford, he gained a D.Phil. on nationalism. During this period, he also worked in journalism, taught at a high school, and wrote a novel. Like many of his subsequent books it was written in English and translated into German by himself.
From 1997 to 2001 Blom and his wife, the writer Veronica Buckley, lived in London, where Philipp initially worked as an editor in a publishing house and as a foreign correspondent for German, Swiss and British newspapers and magazines (Guardian, Independent, the TLS, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, SĂŒddeutsche Zeitung, Neue ZĂŒricher Zeitung) and for radio stations (BBC, ORF, Deutschlandfunk). 2001 the couple moved to Paris to concentrate on their books. Since 2007 they live in Vienna.
Next to his work in history, fiction, philosophy and art, Philipp presents the program âPunkt 1â on the Austrian radio station Ă1. He wrote and presented a TV documentary, and curated exhibitions for, among others, the Wien Museum and the Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles, where Philipp invited in 2010 to work for one year. Lecture tours and festivals take Philipp throughout Europe as well as to the USA, Canada, and South America.
Philipp Blomâs book combine historical research, philosophical enquiry and an essayistic, literary approach. Among his best-selling works are The Vertigo Years and Fracture, dealing with the cultural history of the early twentieth century, A Wicked Company, about the radical Enlightenment, Natureâs Mutiny an investigation into history and climate change in the seventeenth century and, more recently, What is at Stake, dealing with climate change, digitization, and democracy.
Philippâs wide-ranging work and research interests have received numerous accolades. He won several international prizes (Premis Terenci Moix, Barcelona, Groene Waterman Prijs, Antwerpen, NDR Kultur Buchpreis, WolfenbĂŒttel), and his books are translated into sixteen languages. From 2009-2010 he was Fellow of the IFK, 2017 Visiting Fellow at the IWM, both in Vienna. 2018 he opened the prestigious Salzburg Festspiele with a widely-discussed speech on the future of the Enlightenment in a time of climate change.
Having wanted to become a violinist early in life, Philipp also continues to make music and presents a series of concerts at the Vienna Konzerthaus.
Timeline
00.00 - 00.44 Wanderful Intro theme
00.45 - 04.22 Introducing Philipp Blom
04.33 - 07.07 The Flaneurs: deliberately getting lost in the city
07.08 - 08.36 History as a mess of facts: knitting things together to make a pattern
08.37 - 11.00 Map making: showing the world as it isnât
11.03 - 16.50 Natureâs Mutiny: What happened when Europe became 2 Degrees colder
16.51 - 18.27 Transforming society: the emergence of the enlightenment
18.28 - 23.25 Surviving the climate crisis: the need to change the way we see the world and how we see ourselves in it
23.28 - 26.25 Where the creativity for writing comes from
26.26 - 28.25 The monster of European colonialism
28.26 - 30.00 The Yeast Metaphor
30.01 - 36.20 Letâs talk about âsystemsâ
36.23 - 39.18 Discovering your true self and exploring the weirdness of the world
39.20 - 41.38 David introduces the âWanderfulâ mapping exercise
41.55 - 44.23 Epilogue: Insights from the exercise
44.24 - 45.30 End Credits and Outro
Quotes
âHistory is a mess of facts. Out of all those facts you have to distil the fact that you think means something. You have to knit them together into a pattern and relate them to one another. â (Philipp)
âMaps are useful because they show the world as it isnât. They select, they say you donât need to know that, but you need to know that. Whatever you want to know, there is a map for it.â (Philipp)
âIf we want to survive this current (climate) crisis in some decent form⊠we need to accept the total transformation of our economic system, our political system , the way we see the world and how we see ourselves in the world.â (Philipp)
âIf you live in a completely commercialised imagination, then the amount of stories you can tell declines dramatically⊠imagination becomes deadened by commercial interests.â (Philipp)
âIf we are learning anything about nature it is simply the fact that we need to talk about âsystemsâ.â (Philipp)
âThe individual is only the mirroring of something which comes back from others.â (Philipp)
âWe want to survive? We will need to find our survival inside.â (Philipp)
âWith fossil fuels our technological reach has become so devastating, that itâs no longer a helpful way of thinking.â (Philipp)
âIf we want to thrive, we need to foster what we rely on. We need to make it deeper and better and broader and then we can live better with it. If weâre constantly exploiting and impoverishing what we rely on⊠weâre part of that system⊠itâs going to come back.â (Philipp)
Links
Philipp Blom
Blomcast: https://blomcast.buzzsprout.com/
Website: https://philipp-blom.eu/cms/en/
David Pearl (Host)
Website: https://www.davidpearl.net/
Instagram: @davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
Instagram: @Sonicoyster
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Wanderful with Tom Morley
âIrreverence, justifiedâ
Team Building is needed more than ever in 2023. Face to face onsite interaction. A reason to come together. 200 people drumming. A thousand people singing in harmony. Things we can't do on Zoom.
Tom Morley has a 40- year track record of doing this. Scritti Politti, David Bowie, Madness, Blue Chips everywhere and now you. Exactly where you are. That's Tom's speciality, finding out where you are and starting there.
Following his time in the music business with the 80s band Scritti Politti Tom has developed a truly artistic way of living where every experience leads him to the humorous uncovering of some universal truth. He turns his disasters and successes into Keynote inspiration for tired conference audiences who think they've seen it all. Maybe they HAVE seen it all, but have they FELT it? Have they DRUMMED it? Have they CHANTED it? Have they HARMONISED it?
Four decades onstage, first behind a drum kit then being the front man for whole troupes of performers has earned him the name âThe Stand Up Drummerâ. What's he standing up for? You're about to find out.
Timeline
00.00 - 00.44 Theme & Intro
00.45 - 05.30 David introduces Tom Morley
05.30 - 10.00 Tom discovers âanalog instagramâ and describes the way he looks
10.10 - 13.05 How the âgrooveâ is found at the intersection of discipline, surrender and mischief.
13.06 - 14.07 Addressing the âthingâ which the audience is thinking.
14.08 - 15.39 Irreverence Justified
15.40 - 21.21 Tom describes his work as a âpolymathâ.
21.22 - 23.00 Scritti Politti Anecdote - Mischief in action
23.10 - 29.02 Making good trouble - re-introducing people to their own creativity
29.03 - 35.27 The importance of dancing around the room - finding the flow - safety in the âgrooveâ.
35.28 - 39.03 Playing with the walking rhythm - getting into the groove on the 2nd and 4th beat.
39.05 - 42.34 Donât just walk from A to B - dance to A to B: Bring out the inner-adult
42.35 - 44.24 The Wanderful Exercise: Finding the Groove
44.24 - 48.48 Epilogue & End Credits
Quotations
âMy mantra is âweâre better than thisâ. Thatâs what drives me on.â (David)
âJimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin⊠all those people⊠they gave us permission to just jam clothes together.â (Tom)
âI look like someone you would want to have a conversation with and thatâs because Iâm shy. I canât really start conversations from scratch, I have to get people to start conversations with me.â (Tom)
âThe âgrooveâ is found at the intersection of discipline, surrender and mischief.â (Tom)
âIrreverence, justified.â (Tom)
âWe are our own powerpoint. We just need to turn ourselves on.â (Tom)
âIâm there to re-introduce people to their own creativity.â (Tom)
âWe are up against the very well funded status-quo.â (Tom)
âDrummers⊠what we do is make it safe for everybody⊠we keep the groove going.â (Tom)
âThe irony is, the safer they feel with the groove, the groovier the groove is, the more attractive⊠then they will feel something new.â (Tom)
âWe walk in rhythm, so you can play with the rhythm of walking. We pretty much walk in 4/4. If you want to get into the groove, emphasise the 2nd and the 4th beat. Then you get into the groove. Itâs called the off-beat.â (Tom)
âWhatâs the purpose of the dance? Itâs to dance.â (Tom)
âThere is a lot to get done. As we do it, lets dance our way there, because weâll get to better places if we do that.â (David)
âIâm not interested in bringing out their inner-child. Iâm interested in bringing out their inner-adult.â (Tom)
Links
Tom Morley (Guest)
Website: https://tommorley.com/
Twitter: @TomMorley
Instagram: _tommorley_
David Pearl (Host)
Website: https://www.davidpearl.net/
Instagram: @davidpearl_here
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter: @ItPainesMe
Instagram: @Sonicoyster
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âI have exquisite wanderlustâ
Libby DeLana is an executive creative director, founder of This Morning Walk and co-host of the podcast This Morning Walk with Alex Elle. She spoke at the 2022 Do Lectures with Cheryl Strayed about the transformative power of a walk.
Libby spent her career in advertising. She was the Director of Design at MullenLowe for 15 years, then went on to co-found the boutique agency Mechanica. Libbyâs work has won many industry awards and been featured in publications including PRINT Design Annual, Fast Company, Graphis and Communication Arts. She has been profiled by the BBC Radio 4 series The Chain in which 'leading figures name the woman who has inspired their success'.
She is an advocate for female leadership, an aspiring pilot, rookie fly fisher, fan of a strong cup of tea and mum to two tall, smart, kind men. Do Walk is her first published book.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Timeline
00.00 - 00.46
The Wanderful Theme
00.47 - 05.55
Introducing Libby DeLana
05.57 - 11.18
Libby talks about âwanderingâ: The back story - How âThis Morning Walkâ began:
What did Libby need to nourish her?Missing the outdoors - the space betweenWalking every day for the last 11 yearsThe âPracticeâ is not about mileageTreating the walk as a âpracticeâ in the same way as a seated meditation or a yoga sequence.Even a 3 minute walk can have a profound effectLibbyâs mission to share this knowledge with all11.19 - 14.30
Learning new lessons through every walkLoving the fidelity of the practice: Keeping a commitment to herselfThe âpracticeâ as a âradical act of loveâ: Attentiveness and mindfulness - taking a walk for âmeâLibby learns the most on the days she doesnât want to go14.31 - 21.08
What Libby learnâs from the practice and whatâs the magic state?Learning to tap into the inherent wisdom of what goes on in the chest (heart) and the gut (intuition), rather than âthinkingâWalking allowed Libby to put ideas down into heart and gut - what was embodied in that?Libby holds a thought - takes it for a walk and it softens and she begins to understand it.21.10 - 27.48
Walking the same loop: Focusing on each step and each breathSubmitting to the routineFlipping the âinquiryâ from external to internalSeeing the world feet first rather than head firstNot just walking through the streets - you were walking through yourself: what you find beautiful out there - resides in you.Finding the internal beauty - is the ultimate self-care: By doing that - we are caring for our communityWalking with others - the walk-pod27.50 - 31.10
Libbyâs navigation system: trusting gut / ageInquiry & Curiosity - whatâs going to show up each day?Things change all the time - embrace and lean into change?The âBeginners Mindâ31.11 - 35.49
Waking up with the grumps - curiosity about the deep dark depths.One of the most challenging walks Libby did.Do I crawl into bed and pour a bourbon or do I need / want to get outside and walk?Did the loop? And repeated the loop? After each loop - ask self - how are you doing?Loops - Stomping / Screaming / Beyonce Lemonade / Crying - the best therapist and loving friend was the walk. Needing to know âwhat would come upâ?Not all walks are beautiful but there are lessons in it.Libby loves her partnership with the walk and cannot imagine her life without it.35.50 - 38.30
Moving through grief and sadnessBeing curious about whats in the heart and in the gut.Taking your âdiscomfortâ for a walk.38.32 - 45.03
The âWanderfulâ Exercise: Holding your discomfort and taking it for a walk
45.04 - 46.04
End credits
Quotations
âWalking is an equivalent practice to one of meditation or yoga. It has become a place of quiet, of nourishment, sanctuary, healing of inspiration. I find itâs my most creative part of the day.â (Libby)
âEven a three minute walk can have a profound effect.â (Libby)
âI just love the fidelity of the (walking) practice - it feels like fidelity for myself. Itâs not about steps and miles. Itâs about keeping that commitment to myself. Itâs a radical act of love.â (Libby)
âItâs about an attentiveness and a consciousness, about taking a walk for âmeâ.â (Libby)
âAs I walked with a thought in my head⊠slowly it would come down into my heart and then down to my belly⊠itâs a way of me understanding my ancient knowing.â (Libby)
âAs I walk, that âball of stringâ softens and loosens and I can become to see the individual thread.â
â(Walking) enables me to know more, feel more⊠and trust my heart and gut, versus everything Iâm telling myself up in my head.â (Libby)
âIâm seeing the feet first and changing my gaze from external to internal.â (Libby)
âYouâre not just walking through the street, you were walking through yourself. The thing you find beautiful out there is a reflection of the thing you find beautiful within.â (David)
âFor me itâs constant curiosity and inquiry - what is going to show up each day. Who is going to show up? What kind of conversations are we going to have? Those are my navigation tools.â (Libby)
Links
Libby DeLana
Web: https://libbydelana.com/
Twitter: @parkhere
Instagram: @parkhere
This Morning Walk: https://www.thismorningwalk.com/
David Pearl (host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
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âI sit for an hour and I get to know the neighbours - the more than human neighbours.â
Paul Bulencea is an experience designer focused on the nature of the transformational experience. He has created many experience concepts globally and is currently focusing on collaborating with wilderness to spark and maintain a much needed shift in perception. He is the co-founder of the College of Extraordinary Experiences, a global gathering that takes place in a 13th century castle in Poland with the aim of exploring the field of experience design. He is the co-author of Gamification in Tourism: Designing Memorable Experiences and is currently working on a second book about guiding transformations.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Timeline
00.00 - 00.44 Intro Theme
00.46 - 04.32 Introducing Paul Bulencea
04.34 - 06.20 Native Seed Shakers
06.25 - 09.40 Noticing the wilderness in the city
11.41 - 14.08 Creating edible landscapes
14.08 - 18.56 Community Supported Agriculture
18.56 - 21.50 Deconditioning industrial thinking
23.00 - How to do a âsit spotâ - connecting with nature
26.45 - 28.00 Honey (a sit-spot poem)
28.00 - 33.38 Wanderful Exercise: The Sit Spot
33.40 - Epilogue: The bells! The bells!
Quotes
âWhen youâre looking for wildlife, you will be surprised at the amount of wildlife in the cities⊠but thatâs where the food is.â (Paul)
âYou can eat all mushrooms, but some of them you can only eat once.â (Paul)
âWhat if we had cities inside edible landscapes?.â (Paul)
âWeâre eating very few edible crops. We cultivate very few because we have this industrial thinking.â (Paul)
âThis push for consistency - whatâs so great about consistency?â (David)
âI sit for an hour and I get to know the neighbours - the more than human neighbours.â (Paul)
Further Information
Community Supported Agriculture - https://communitysupportedagriculture.org.uk/
George Monibot - Regenesis - https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/317018/regenesis-by-monbiot-george/9780241447642
The plant David is sitting next toâŠwe thinkâŠany knowledgeable horticulturalists, let us know! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerodendrum_infortunatum
Links
Paul Bulencea (Guest)
www.extraordinary.college
https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulbulencea/
Instagram @paul.bulencea
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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"My purpose is to be a beacon for inspiration."
Anuradha Chugh is the CEO of Pukka Herbs since July 2021. She firmly believes that businesses can â and should â tackle climate change and address inequality. Anu has over 25 yearsâ experience in the CPG industry, holding positions in values-led progressive businesses like Ben & Jerryâs as Managing Director- Europe, as well as in some of Unileverâs flagship brands like Dove & Lipton, in different geographies of Europe, US, Latin America, Turkey & India.
Anu has demonstrated that she can lead businesses to thrive, transform and grow by creating value that is long-lasting and purpose driven. She is passionate about using the power of business to make a positive impact in society and is not afraid to step out of her comfort zone to drive change.
Anu is married to Rohit with whom she has two kids: Aditi and Varun, and loves spending time outdoors with their dog, Alfie.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Timeline
00.00 - 00.43 Theme
00.44 - 05.05 David introduces Anuradha Chugh
05.07 - 09.10 Speaking to and from the heart
09.12 - 11.50 Meeting peopleâs needs
12.20 - 13.30 Choosing ice cream over detergents
14.00 - 15.43 Where to find inspiration: How to be a beacon for inspiration
16.00 - 19.56 What inspires Anu?
17.00 - 18.21 Routes: Mentoring women who have come from refugee and asylum seeking backgrounds
18.40 - 21.38 Doing good and doing well: Business and impact: Giving back to the Planet
22.50 - 24.22 Who benefits from Pukka Teas work?
26.40 - 25.49 The well being and health benefits of tea
26.41 - 27.57 How does Anu promote her own health?
28.00 - 31.25 Work in the post-pandemic world
29.41 - 33.54 The Wanderful Exercise: The Heart Led Walk
34.10 - 38.00 Epilogue
38.01 - 38.50 End Credits
Quotes
âI donât think choices can be all that rational.â (Anu)
âPackaging has to emotively speak to you. It has to grab you emotionally, while youâre walking down an aisle. Something as functional as that really has to be emotionally driven.â (Anu)
âYou gravitate towards what you find exciting - there is a little bit of intentionality that comes into it.â (Anu)
âYou have to find the higher purpose of what really makes you tick in that space - you have to articulate for yourself the purpose of why you get up in the morning.â (Anu)
âI need to inspire myself and inspire those I lead. You get the best work from yourself if you are a beacon for inspiration.â (Anu)
âWeâre rediscovering business as a force for good.â (Anu)
âThe more you grow the more positive impact you have.â (Anu)
âIn todayâs world we all have to do business which is regenerative.â (Anu)
âAs long as people keep buying what youâre selling, then everything that you then sell has a positive impact to that last person or maybe that first person who has been wild berry picking somewhere in Guatemala. And thatâs the circle.â (Anu)
âThe solution will be with business working with governments and charity institutions.â (Anu)
âYou are putting health and well-being in their cup.â (Anu)
âYouâre selling health.â (Anu)
âLife is more about being rather than doing.â (Anu)
Further Reading
Bianca Pitt - Co Founder of She Changes Climate
https://www.shechangesclimate.org
Pukka Teas - Impact & Sustainability
https://www.pukkaherbs.com/uk/en/impact-and-sustainability
Routes
https://routescollective.com/
Contacts
Anuradha Chugh: @pukkaherbs
David Pearl:
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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âWhat one mountain taught one Londoner about life âŠstepâŠby wobbly step.â
This weekâs episode is a little off the straight and narrow. But thatâs what Wanderful is all about. Finding wonder in lifeâs side roads.
I reckon the planet needs us to be more creative. So for World Nature Conservation Day, we decided to get improvising. Our producer Andrew Paine took some words that came into my mind as I was struggling down an Italian mountain and asked the composer Laura Cannell to add whatever music came into her mind as she listened to the text. Weâre calling it the Stumblersâ Guide. I deliberately didnât listen to what sheâs done so this is a premiere for you and me. And also a chance to say thanks to a mountain that taught me a lot.
Happy wandering (and stumbling)
David Pearl
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Laura Cannell
Laura Cannell's music straddles the worlds of experimental, contemporary, early & medieval music, her semi-composed, semi-improvised music draws on the emotional influences of the landscape whilst exploring the spaces between early and experimental music. She has released seven solo albums to critical acclaim, mainly performing on Overbowed Violin and Double Recorders. Her new solo album 'Antiphony of the Treesâ, was The Quietus Album of the week and month in March 2022, received a 4 star review from Songlines Magazine and is featured in the May Wire Magazine. Lauraâs music has been used for film & television internationally.
http://www.lauracannell.co.uk/
Twitter @laurarecorder
Insta @lauracannellmusic
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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"My activism is just one tool in the activism tool kit."
Sarah Corbett is an award-winning activist, author, Ashoka Fellow and founder of the global Craftivist Collective. She grew up in a low-income area of the UK into an activist family and has worked as a professional campaigner for over a decade, most recently with Oxfam GB. She started doing craftivism (craft + activism) in 2008 to add a different tool of activism into the toolkit - a form of slow, quiet and intimate effective activism she calls âGentle Protestâ.
Due to demand, Sarah set up the award-winning Craftivist Collective in 2009, providing products and services for individuals, groups and organisations around the world to be effective gentle craftivists. Sarahâs work has helped change government laws, business policies as well as hearts and minds through her unique âGentle Protestâ methodology. She works across the arts sector, charity sector and academia, as well as with unusual allies to reach people nervous of activism in an attractive and empowering way. Corbett regularly gives talks, events and happenings around the world. Her book âHow To Be A Craftivist: the art of gentle protestâ is now available in paperback. Her talk âActivism Needs Introvertsâ was chosen as a TED Talk of the Day and has over a million views. You can preorder her Craftivist Collective Handbook here
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Time Line
00.00 - 00.45 Opening Credits
00.46 - 04.58 Introducing Sarah Corbett
05.00 - 06.25 Growing up in an activist family
06.25 - 09.05 Routes into Gentle Activism
09.10 - 13.00 The Canary Campaign
13.05 - 15.55 The importance of courage and care
15.57 - 18.10 Different forms of craftivism
18.30 - 23.15 Gentle protest & self control
23.18 - 26.35 Making change
26.38 - 27.41 Being âcraftyâ but kind
27.43 - 29.30 How Sarah manages anger
29.35 - 34.25 The Tale of the MP & the Handkerchief
34.28 - 37.55 The Wanderful Exercise: In Their Shoes
38.12 - 41.29 Epilogue
41.30 - 42.16 End Credits
Quotations
âMy activism is just one tool in the activism tool-kit.â (Sarah)
âI knew change doesnât just happen in transactional and loud and public ways.â (Sarah)
âMy craftivism is all about where are the gaps and where can craftivism fill certain gaps to compliment other tactics and where can it bring in audiences who are scared of activism but (who are) influential.â (Sarah)
âMy approach to craftivism is Gentle Protest.â (Sarah)
âThereâs something in the process of craft thatâs really helping me slow down, calm down and think more strategically, so I thought there must be something in this.â (Sarah)
âIf we want to make change then gentleness can be so powerful, and putting yourself in the power holderâs shoes, and not just the person affected.â (Sarah)
âThe gentleness is treading lightly and being gentle with people.â (Sarah)
âItâs more about trying things out and being light touch on everything⊠not holding things and forcing things.â (Sarah)
âIf you receive something which feels a little manipulative⊠youâre going to close off. You want people to feel genuinely encouraged and accountable.â (Sarah)
âWhen Iâm angry⊠I jump it out, I dance it out, I power walk somewhere, I just shake the anger out of me. Long term anger is chronic and produces really bad health and mental health problems. I know anger is a good catalyst, but I need to shake it out.â (Sarah)
âI swing from really angry to okay.. .how am I going to use this anger in an effective, useful way, which wonât change the world dramatically but I can try and make some nudges and tweaks with the little power I have as one little scouser.â (Sarah)
Contact Information
Sarah Corbett
https://craftivist-collective.com/
Twitter: @craftivists
Instagram: @Craftivists
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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Dr Dale Vince OBE
With more than 25 years experience as a green entrepreneur, Dale launched Ecotricity (http://www.ecotricity.co.uk), the worldâs first green energy company back in 1995. Today, it powers around 200,000 homes and businesses across the UK with renewable energy from the wind and sun.
Dale also owns Devilâs Kitchen (http://www.thedevilskitchen.co.uk), which makes vegan school dinners, and his latest business, Skydiamond (http://skydiamond.co.uk) â creating lab grown diamonds from the wind, rain and sun. His work focuses on three key areas â energy, transport and food â collectively responsible for 80% of our own carbon emissions.
He is Chairman and owner of Forest Green Rovers (http://fgr.co.uk) - recognised by FIFA as the âworldâs greenest football clubâ and became a United Nations Climate Champion in 2018. He launched his first book, Manifesto in 2020, and is Executive Producer of the Netflix Original documentary, Seaspiracy.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Time Line
00.00 - 00.44 Wanderful Theme
00.45 - 04.25 Introducing Dale Vince
04.30 - 09.48 Travelling & living off-grid
10.05 - 13.25 The Origins of Ecotricity
13.27 - 15.33 Green Populism
16.45 - 19.10 Forest Green Rovers FC and the Green Agenda
20.00 - 21.40 Business versus Politics
21.50 - 23.00 Thoughts on Leadership - the Ecotricity ethos
23.40 - 25.27 Adopting the best elements of business
25.30 - 27.20 Business, Government and the People
27.25 - 29.12 The Wanderful Exercise - Slow Right Down
29.30 - 33.10 Epilogue
33.11 - 33.55 - Outro
Quotes
â A term I learned in my twenties, was ânew radical dis-possessedâ and we had been dispossessed⊠we are dispossessed by the system of wealth and wealth maintenance. Money stays with the people who have money and the rest of us are kind of cogs in the wheel.â (Dale)
âWhen were the first company in the world to start selling green electricity and were able to price match brown electricity⊠it seems obvious to me the way to get real traction for the environment cause for sustainability is for it to become a business opportunity or at least for it to be business like.â (Dale)
âThe conventional environmentalist way of communicating is too often about doom and gloom and catastrophe on a global scale, which makes people feel a little powerless and a little bit hopeless. At the same time the presentation of living a green life is made to feel like weâre asking people to give up the way we live.â (Dale)
âLiving a green life is just as good, itâs actually better - you will live healthier and longer.â (Dale)
âWe have to get away from this altruism first approach, which says its about polar bears, melting ice and people somewhere else in the world and actually come back to the people in this country which weâre asking to change their lives and say âthis is actually about youâ, our economy, itâs about Green sustainable jobs, a stronger economy that supports our people better and in the process doesnât create pollution of the air, the land and the water and then fighting the climate crisis just becomes a happy by-product.â (Dale)
âOn day 1 of being in charge of a football club (Forest Green Rovers) I found we were serving red meat to the players and I got the manager and the chef together and we agreed to stop it on that day. The Sun called it a âred meat banâ which was fantastic, we leaned into that infamy that they created for us and day by day I bumped into things that had to change in terms of environment and ethics. After a couple of weeks, I realised this meant we would be creating a green football club and we would be communicating to a very different audience, the world of football fans, and that appealed to me.â (Dale)
âFootball is the most incredible platform to reach people..â (Dale)
âWe have a one-page ecotricity manifesto, which we share with everybody that joins us. It talks about how we want people to treat other people - itâs about openness and honesty, admitting mistakes when made, so we can fix them and move on in a non-judgemental way, and treat people how you would like to be treated yourself.â (Dale)
âI think itâs really important to do something before you talk about it. Prove it, do it and then when you talk about it youâve got a standing to persuade other people to then pick that up themselves. There are two ways to bring change in the world. One is to do it yourself, necessarily limited by what one person can do. The other is to be the catalyst for other people and it comes back to do it first, show other people you can become a catalyst and other people will follow you and then you create more change that way..â (Dale)
âThere are three things, which between them, account for about 80% of everybodyâs carbon footprint and general unsustainability - energy, transport & food - itâs about how we power our homes, how we travel and what we eat and these are things we all spend money on every day. If we choose to spend that money on a greener option, where we can, that sends a very big signal to businesses who are picking this up and changing what they do, adapting to what people want and then the government picks that up from business. And these three sectors from our society are the main players - business, government and the people - and we have much more power than we realise because ultimately - weâre the consumers of everything thatâs produced, we are the people who drive demand and our money gets to choose which way the world goes round.â (Dale)
Links
Dr Dale Vince OBE
Twitter @DaleVince
Insta @zerocarbonista
David Pearl (host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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âTrust Breeds Magicâ
Tina Roth Eisenberg is a Swiss born and trained graphic designer. Over the past 16 years, she has started side projects that have organically turned into businesses: Tattly, Creative Mornings, Teux Deux and FRIENDS. Tina believes in generosity and kindness. She considers creating a fulfilling, kind work environment and welcoming, safe communities as her way of having a positive impact on the world.
Tinaâs blog swissmiss launched in March of 2005 as a personal visual archive. Little did she know that it would eventually grow into a viral design journal with an average of 1 million unique visitors a month.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Time Line
00.00 - 00.46 Wanderful Intro & Theme
00.46 - 04.09 Introducing Tina Roth Eisenberg
04.10 - 05.26 Swiss Miss: Designing our own lives
06.59 - 10.56 How the universe cheers Tina on
12.27 - 18.13 Origins of âCreative Morningsâ
19.44 - 22.21 The link between creativity and innocence - everyone is welcome
22.38 - 23.38 Creative Mornings Manifesto
26.40 - 29.29 The Purpose of Creative Mornings
29.30 - 31.53 The âField Tripsâ
32.50 - 35.30 Trust Breeds Magic
35.33 - 37.33 âThe Design Walkâ Exercise
37.54 - 40.26 Epilogue
40.27 - 41.12 Closing Credits
Quotes
âYour outer world is an expression of your inner worldâ (Tina)
âWhat would it be to live your life as if it were an art-work?â (Charles Handy via David)
âCreative Mornings has grown into the worldâs largest face to face creativity community.â (Tina)
âThere needs to be a bit more pure, honest, innocent gathering opportunities⊠weâre basically a church for creative opportunities.â (Tina)
âIf you love something and youâre not insane, millions of other people will love it too, youâve just got to find a way for them to find you.â (David)
âLiving is a creative act and I donât want to define creativity just by you outputting things that are on walls.â (Tina)
âIn my world there are basically two modes⊠youâre either in love or youâre in fear.â (Tina)
âTrust Breeds Magicâ (Tina)
Links
Tina Roth Eisenberg (Guest)
@swissmiss
https://creativemornings.com/
https://www.swiss-miss.com/
https://tattly.com/pages/custom
https://teuxdeux.com/home
http://www.friendsworkhere.com/
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
âSurface Of The Waterâ excerpt by Andrew Paine & Caroline McKenzie
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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"The wolves represent âwildnessâ and if you ever have the occasion to see them and walk in the same place where they live and share the same territory as them, it's a privilege."
Paul Bulencea is an award-winning author, educator, entrepreneur and speaker inspiring forward-thinking Fortune 500 companies and governments to foster innovation and drive sustainable growth by shifting business models from services to co-creative transformational experiences.
Following his vision to help organisations migrate to the Experience Economy, he co-founded The College of Extraordinary Experiences in 2016, which serves as a worldwide community and think tank for experience designers. The College is described by creative thought leaders a must for pioneers in experience design.
Since she was a child Valeria Roselli walked along the paths through the forest of the mountains where she was born. Her curiosity led her to explore and get to know the territory. While listening to stories from older people in the area, Valeria learnt the importance of the local traditions and how necessary it was to preserve traditions and value the past.
Her love of nature and for the Abruzzo mountainâs became her passion, which in turn became her profession. She is now a nature guide, environmental interpreter and Nordic walking instructor and an expert guide in the Italian Apennines.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Timeline
00.00 - 00.44 Intro Theme
00.45 - 06.54 David introduces the re-wilding special
06.55 - 11.59 What is the fascination with âtrackingâ wildlife?
12.00 - 12.48 Combining tracking with trailing
12.50 - 13.53 The benefits of sitting and observing
13.56 - 17.15 The story of the Red Deer
17.30 - 26.55 The Eye of the Wild Bison
26.57 - 29.54 What we can learn from the Wolves?
29.56 - 32.00 Davidâs âSit Spotâ exercise - observing nature
32.22 - 36.08 Epilogue: The story of the fox
36.09 - Bonus Feature: David descends the mountain (field recording)
Quotes
âWhat I like about tracking is that it shows you how everything is inter-connected. (Therefore), itâs much easier to become self-aware and to understand how inter-twined everything is by observing and seeing and noticing.â (Paul)
âTrailing is where you follow the tracks until you find and discover the animal.â (Paul)
âThe moments spent in nature are special. Every day is a new day for a new moment and a new emotion.â (Valeria)
âOne of the Bison came very close, he was very curious⊠about 7 metres and was just looking at us. I made eye-contact and in that gaze with a wild animal⊠it felt like finding âhomeâ. Itâs very hard to describe because itâs an experience we rarely have nowadays.â (Paul)
âWhen youâre calm and not tense, then you start seeing things all around you.â (Paul)
"The wolves represent âwildnessâ and if you ever have the occasion to see them and walk in the same place where they live and share the same territory as them, it's a privilege.â (Valeria)
Links
Paul Bulencea
https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulbulencea/
Valeria Roselli
https://www.wildlifeadventures.it/en/meet-our-team/
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
The Green Room at COP26 - What (On Earth's) The Story?
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
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âDespite all our best endeavours⊠we rely on six inches of soil and the fact that it rains.â
Discover more stories of hope with Johanna and other climate innovators on the newly released âThe Green Room - What (On Earthâs) The Storyâ film on You Tube.
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
Johanna Gibbons is a Landscape Architect and Fellow of the Landscape Institute. Jo was named a Royal Designer for Industry for her âpioneering and influential work combining design with activism, education and professional practiceâ. She is founding Partner of J & L Gibbons practice, Director of social enterprise Landscape Learn and a core research partner with Kings College London of Urban Mind. Jo is a panel advisor to Historic England and the Forestry Commission. She is a Trustee of Open City and publishes and lectures widely.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Time Line
00.00 - 00.45 Opening credits
00.46 - 05.37 Introducing Johanna Gibbons
05.40 - 08.19 Johannaâs Origin Story
08.54 - 12.47 The untold story of the soil
13.07 - 16.10 How we can connect with the soil: re-wilding, composting, digging holes
16.55 - 19.15 Community effort and grass-roots
19.17 - 21.12 Day-lighting water and understanding natural processes
21.15 - 26.50 Johannaâs Four Steps
26.51 - 31.18 The Wanderful Exercise: Someoneâs Something
31.36 - 35.05 Epilogue - Post Exercise
35.06 - 35.52 Closing Credits
Quotations
â Landscape connects our family. Itâs my work but itâs also all my passions - soil diversity, urban forestry, rain water management and the connection with the natural cycles and connection with everything that feeds the soul and gives you a joy of life.â (Johanna)
âTo me, a city is a landscape.â (Johanna)
âItâs not muck-away, this is one of the most important, critical infrastructures of the planet and we talk about muck-away. It comes from ignorance, it comes from a mis-understanding or nobody pointed it out in the first place.â (Johanna)
âThere is a disconnect with nature and the most fundamental aspect of terrestrial life on earth⊠is soil.â (Johanna)
âA handful of soil has more microbes than there are people on this earth.â (Johanna)
âWe do like digging holes. Because when you dig a hole you reveal all sorts of secret horizons, a layer cake of human endeavour, of natural cycles, it depends if itâs urban, brownfield, greenfield⊠and therein lies the story.â (Johanna)
âThe whole re-cycling energy is to do with the soil and not touching it⊠letting it repair itself.â (Johanna)
âNature is resilient if we would let it be.â (Johanna)
âComposting⊠because it is (soil) like black gold. You take your good quality waste, you put it into a hot rotter (?) and it comes back as soil. It is quite a magical thing.â (Johanna)
âDespite all our best endeavours⊠we rely on six inches of soil and the fact that it rains.â (Johanna)
Social Media
Johanna Gibbons
Web: www.jlg-london.com
Instagram: @jlg_london
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
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âIn 2018 we built the worldâs first sailing boat, made from already used plastic.â
Discover more stories of hope with Ben and other climate innovators on the newly released âThe Green Room - What (On Earthâs) The Storyâ film on You Tube.
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
Ben Morison is CEO of Far & Wide Travel, and has worked in the Africa travel industry all his life. He started the Flipflopi Project after witnessing the dramatic impact that plastics are having on the continent that has given so much to him. He became convinced that plastic was far too valuable, versatile and often beautiful to be used just once and thrown away. His mission; âa world without single-use plasticsâ.
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Timeline
00.00 - 04.38: Introducing Ben Morison
04.44 - 07.07: Building a boat out of re-cycled plastic
07.10 - 08.35 : How Ben arrived at Flipflopi
08.36 - 10.54: Positive African Voices & Leadership Roles
10.56 - 14.20: Fast Emerging Consumer Populations and Winning the Plastics Challenge
14.24 - 18.15: Bringing value to re-cycled plastic
18.17 - 21.18: Using creativity to convene
21.20 - 24.11: The Wanderful Exercise: Finding value in ârubbishâ
24.32 - 29.07: Epilogue: Waste as an act of appreciation
29.08 - 30.02: Closing credits
Quotations
âIn 2018 we built the worldâs first sailing boat, made from already used plastic.â (Ben)
âThe reality of this challenge we have around plastic pollution and climate change generally, is it needs a holistic global approach. So whatâs lacking here is confident, cheerful, positive voices from⊠African voices, who are taking leadership roles⊠and if you look around thereâs not really many strong leadership roles, positive oneâs too, that are coming from our environment. Itâs really important for us to have that positive voice.â (Ben)
âThe reality is, if I am a young man in Kenya and I am on a date with somebody, Iâll be in a car⊠I will wind down the window, I will drink my bottle of water and I will throw it out the window in a deliberate ostentatious show of⊠âIâve arrived, Iâm a consumer now.â (Ben)
âWe as the developed world have had the starter, main course and dessert of this amazing thing called plastic⊠itâs developed our economies and now⊠just as some other parts of the world are just starting to develop consumer economies⊠we⊠how dare we go⊠oh we donât want you to start with that (plastic). So, thereâs some complexity to how we as a global community have this conversation. We have to be nuanced and thoughtful.â (Ben)
âIf you give value to anything⊠stuff will happen. So what we wanted to show by building a boat was, using already used plastic⊠we can build a boat. Thatâs got value as a creative art object. Itâs got value as something you go fishing in or take tourists in or travel in. Itâs not really about the boat, itâs about the fact we were able to re-cycle or re-use and create something of value.â (Ben)
âThe boat is a convener. If I arrive up the Clyde in a brightly coloured boat that looks like Elmer the Elephant, I can guarantee that the policy makers will definitely be keen to come and welcome it in and its going to draw lots and lots of crowds of people, because they want to see it. Of course, for the media itâs a very interesting thing to capture, so you now have the three ingredients you want to engage with.â (Ben)
Social Media
Ben Morison
Web https://www.theflipflopi.com/
Twitter @theflipflopi
Instagram @theflipflopi
David Pearl
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Web: www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
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âWhat we need is soils that are resilient⊠that are spongesâ
Discover more stories of hope with Eliane and other climate innovators on the newly released âThe Green Room - What (On Earthâs) The Storyâ film on You Tube.
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
Ăliane Ubalijoro, PhD, is the Executive Director of Sustainability in the Digital Age and the Future Earth Montreal Hub and founder and Executive Director of C.L.E.A.R. International Development.
She is a Professor of Practice For Public-Private Sector Partnerships at McGill Universityâs Institute for the Study of International Development, where her research interests focus on innovation, gender and sustainable development for prosperity creation and her teaching over the last decade has focused on facilitating leadership development.
In addition, Eliane is a Research Professor at Concordia University in the Department of Geography, Planning and Environment. She is a member of Rwandaâs National Science and Technology Council.
Eliane is a member of the Impact Advisory Board of the Global Alliance for a Sustainable Planet and a member of the Expert Consultation Group on the Post COVID-19 Implications on Collaborative Governance of Genomics Research, Innovation, and Genetic Diversity.
Eliane is a member of the African Development Bankâs Expert Global Community of Practice on COVID-19 Response Strategies in Africa.
She is a member of the Capitals Coalition Supervisory Board as well as the Crop Trust Executive Board.
Eliane is a former member of WWF Internationalâs Board of Trustees. She was the principal investigator on a Gates Grand Challenges Phase I grant looking at Innovations in Feedback & Accountability Systems for Agricultural Development. Eliane was the project manager and an investigator on a Gates Foundation Grand Challenges in Global Health project led by Professor Timothy Geary, the director of McGillâs Institute of Parasitology from 2009 to 2014. As a result of this work, she has been a reviewer for the Grand Challenges Canada Stars in Global Health program since 2012.
Eliane is a co-editor of the 2021 book Building Resilient African Food Systems after COVID-19.
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Timeline
00.00 - 00.43 Opening Credits
00.44 - 05.23 Introducing Eliane Ubalijoro
05.26 - 08.40 Sustainability in the Digital Age & Future Earth
08.41 - 10.43 Soils are sponges
11.25 - 12.42 The big stories Eliane is up against
13.30 - 15.04 Bridging the knowledge systems of the West & the knowledge of Elianeâs ancestors
15.06 - 16.00 Technology & sustainability coming together: the collective and planetary intelligence
16.07 - 17.20 The story of the fig tree
17.44 - 19.40 Planetary intelligence (Yesterday & Tomorrow)
19.56 - 21.26 Innovators and early adopters: connecting and supporting communities
22.11 - 24.41 Harnessing the collective intelligence with nature and artificial intelligence
25.28 - 26.16 The big lie: discounting natureâs intelligence
26.20 - 29.11 Leafy greens: healthy diets for the body and the planet: biodiversity thrives
29.21 - 30.31 The power of storytelling: cultivating planetary intelligence
31.00 - 32.39 The connection of the past, present and the future
33.10 - 34.51 Loving nature is not enough: the value of living with nature
35.27 - 37.25 Optimism v Realism
37.30 - 39.07 Dreaming is free
39.10 - 43.15 The Wanderful Exercise - Walking with our past and our future
43.34 - 47.10 Post exercise - epilogue
47.11 - 48.01 Closing credits
Quotations
âWhat we know is soils are a living space⊠soils that have worms, that have fungi, that have insects, can hold fifty times more water than soils that have been polluted or have no microbial life in them anymore.â (Eliane)
âWhat we need are soils which are resilient, which are sponges.â (Eliane)
âPart of my story is the story of an African woman, who was born in a space where I was deeply connected with nature and with the stories of my ancestors, who flew to North America for University, who went on to get her PhD in academia. And so I hold the knowledge systems of the West and the knowledge systems of my ancestors and so my work is about bridging both.â (Eliane)
âIn the cosmology of the indigenous people itâs really how we are an element in the universe and so we look at time in different ways. In my native kinyawanda, âyesterdayâ and âtomorrowâ are the same word⊠itâs âejoâ. Itâs depending on how I conjugate my verb that you know whether Iâm talking about yesterday or tomorrow. And so how we see our selves cosmologically is really critical to how we move forward and I think of living in Canada where indigenous populations always say⊠how do we govern for seven generations from now?â (Eliane)
âThe big lie of today is the discounting of natureâs intelligence because weâve had over 400 years of exploitation and colonisation of natural resources in order to gain more and more power and so we had to discount natureâs intelligence in order to exploit it in the same way that people of African ancestors or black had to be considered three fifths of a human being to say, âwe can enslave them, because theyâre not really peopleâ and so itâs how we create narratives that are exploitative and dangerous and allow disempowerment of whole systems.â (Eliane)
âWe have the power of the media that need to harness these stories that you and I are cultivating and so part of it is how do I create spaces for more people to gain the needed knowledge, for them to have hope and to have the capacity for action.â (Eliane)
âHow can storytelling bring out the beauty and truth of what we need to live our inter-dependence and so Iâm excited about the mission of cultivating our inter-dependence and opening more people to cultivating planetary intelligence and respecting all these different knowledge systems, so we can resonate and work at a higher level of power and consciousness for everybody.â (Eliane)
âThe more trauma we have, the bigger our dreams have to be, because if not, we can be swallowed up by the suffering and the pain⊠and be paralysed. Thatâs why I remind people⊠dreaming is free. Give yourself the opportunity to dream so audaciously that people are going to say âhow dare youâ and thatâs why I say, dare to dream beyond anywhere people think you can dream, but only share it with the people who can help you get there.â (Eliane)
Social Media & Links
Eliane Ubalijoro
Web https://futureearth.org
Twitter @elianeubalijoro
Linked In - linkedin.com/in/eliane-ubalijoro-1b8a7b
David Pearl (Host)
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Website www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
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âIâm the murmuration meister⊠I should put that on my business cardâ
Nigel Topping is the UNâs High-Level Climate Action Champion, appointed by the UK Prime Minister in January 2020. Nigel works alongside the Chilean High-Level Climate Action Champion, Gonzalo Muñoz. The role of the high-level champions is to strengthen collaboration and drive action from businesses, investors, organisations, cities, and regions on climate change, and coordinate this work with governments and parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).
Nigel was most recently CEO of We Mean Business, a coalition of businesses working to accelerate the transition to a zero carbon economy. Prior to that he was Executive Director of the Carbon Disclosure Project, following an 18 year career in the private sector, having worked across the world in emerging markets and manufacturing.
âDiscover more stories of hope with Nigel and other climate innovators on the newly released The Green Room â What (On Earthâs) the Story film on You Tubeâ
Full film: https://youtu.be/UWoO9UmWscM
Trailer: https://youtu.be/zmQqj5WHSPM
https://linktr.ee/DavidPearl
Time Line
00.00 - 00.44: Opening Credits
00.46 - 05.08: Introducing Nigel Topping
05.15 - 07.51: The advantage of converging pathways
08.22 - 10.40: The collaborative process at COP26
11.00 - 12.19: Momentum and how to change big systems
12.36 - 13.34: Where Nigel finds his inspiration and energy - moving through despair
13.35 - 16:21: The 4 unhelpful micro stories
16:30 - 21:28: What are the helpful stories to tell ourselves?
20:30 - 24:36: Davidâs âWanderful' Exercise: Recognising Patterns
24:59 - 28:42: Epilogue
End Credits
Quotes
âChanging big systems is very difficult and for all the clamour on the streets, thereâs a lot of people who donât want change⊠so⊠the louder the clamour gets, then the more it becomes a political force and so it opens up, but itâs only in the last few years that weâve had that⊠itâs relatively new and itâs still only a minority of people.â (Nigel)
âPlenty of people who wonât allow politicians to move fast. Itâs all very well saying youâve got to move faster but we see CEOâs and politicians who have gone really fast, lose their jobs. The challenge is to take the WHOLE of society with us.â (Nigel)
âItâs not in the small hours, itâs in the middle of the day that I find despair and in Glasgow (COP26) I went through about three cycles of grief and joy per day.â (Nigel)
âThe trick is not to fall on the two horns of the dilemma⊠thereâs the âweâre so fucked, itâs not worth doing anythingâ and âweâre so clever, itâs not worth worryingâ. Both of those are bullshit.â (Nigel)
âI do think you should be scared and sceptical and so you should dip into those stories. For example, the science is a story, which is based on fact, right, but itâs still a narrative that shows you why you should be scared. And the history of in-action shows you why you should be sceptical⊠but⊠you shouldnât get stuck in those stories, because there is very little agency in those stories and thereâs a danger of being stuck in despair or anger.â (Nigel)
âHope is an active choice⊠and hope and action are intertwined.â (Nigel)
âChoose hopeâŠto try to do something⊠to make the world a better place⊠and then think about your skills and your influence.â (Nigel)
âIf youâve got kids, go to their school and see if the school will get involved in the âletâs get to zero initiative. If youâve got access to business leaders, bring them into your work.â (Nigel)
Further Information
Nigel Topping
Twitter @topnigel
Instagram @nigel.topping
Web: https://racetozero.unfccc.int/
David Pearl
Twitter @DavidPearlHere
Instagram @davidpearl_here
Web: www.davidpearl.net
Andrew Paine (Producer & Audio Engineer)
Twitter @ItPainesMe
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