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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, host Chris Spear talks with Chef Michael Gulotta, the chef-owner behind New Orleans hotspots MoPho, Maypop, and the newly opened Italian restaurant, Tana. Michael shares his journey from attending culinary school to working at Restaurant August, and eventually opening his own restaurants.
The discussion delves into the complexities of the restaurant industry, including the financial and operational challenges of running multiple establishments, the ongoing debate between sourcing local versus commodity ingredients, and the evolving culinary scene in post-pandemic New Orleans. Michael also offers candid advice for aspiring chefs and restaurateurs, discussing the balance between passion and practicality in the culinary world.
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, host Chris Spear sits down with Jeremy Salamon, the talented chef behind Agi’s Counter in Brooklyn and author of the newly released cookbook, Second Generation. Jeremy, a second-generation Hungarian Jew, has made waves in the culinary world, earning accolades like a James Beard Award nomination and a spot on Bon Appetit's Best New Restaurants list in 2022.
Jeremy shares his journey from working in some of New York’s finest kitchens, to how his Hungarian heritage inspired him to open Agi’s Counter. We dive deep into his modern interpretations of traditional Hungarian dishes, the personal stories behind his cookbook, and how family traditions have influenced his career. Jeremy also discusses his approach to cooking, how his Hungarian-Jewish roots shape his dishes, and the importance of maintaining authenticity while innovating in the kitchen.
JEREMY SALAMON and AGI's COUNTER
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, host Chris Spear speaks with Aaron Elliott, a vegan chef with a unique background in punk music. Aaron shares his journey from being a drummer in various bands to becoming a private chef for high-profile clients like Blink-182 drummer Travis Barker and director James Cameron. In addition to being a private chef, Aaron recently launched his own vegan meal delivery service, Meal Ticket, in Los Angeles.
They discuss the intersections between music and food, the challenges of maintaining a vegan lifestyle on tour, and how Aaron's passion for cooking evolved from necessity to a full-blown career. Whether you're into punk rock, vegan cuisine, or just love a good story of following your passion, this episode has something for you.
For anyone in the Los Angeles area, Aaron will be hosting his first-ever pop-up at the beloved vegan bakery Baker’s Bench on September 17th. The evening will be an extension of Meal Ticket, as he’ll be cooking up a limited menu of fan-favorites from the meal delivery service.
AARON ELLIOTT and MEAL TICKET
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear is joined by Glenn Roberts, the founder of Anson Mills, a company renowned for its dedication to preserving landrace crops and advancing sustainable farming practices. Glenn shares his fascinating journey from a career in restaurant design and management to becoming a passionate advocate for biosecurity and traditional farming methods.
Topics Discussed:
The Importance of Landrace Crops: A deep dive into what landrace crops are, their significance in agriculture, and why preserving these varieties is crucial for food security and biodiversity.Sustainable Farming Practices: The challenges and rewards of growing heritage grains like Carolina Gold rice, and how polyculture and biosecurity play a role in modern farming.The Intersection of Traditional Farming and Modern Challenges: Glenn and Chris explore the impact of climate change on farming and the importance of maintaining traditional agricultural practices in a rapidly changing world.Polycropping and Agricultural Diversity: How planting multiple crops together can enhance soil health, increase yield stability, and provide a more resilient farming system.The Role of Community in Sustainable Agriculture: Glenn shares insights on how local communities can engage with and support sustainable farming practices, and the importance of understanding where our food comes from.GLENN ROBERTS and ANSON MILLS
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear continues his conversation from last week with John Kanell of Preppy Kitchen. Part 1 of their conversation can be found here. John's a former middle school teacher turned cooking personality, and currently has more than 10 million followers across all online platforms.
In this episode, John provides valuable insights for those looking to transition into food content creation, including tips on lighting, styling, and developing a personal brand. John discusses the challenges and rewards of building a food personality, the importance of authenticity, and the process of creating engaging content. Whether you're an aspiring food influencer or a seasoned professional, this episode offers practical advice to elevate your content, and possibly boost your following.
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear sits down with John Kanell of Preppy Kitchen for part 1 of their discussion. John's a former middle school teacher turned cooking personality. They discuss John's new cookbook Preppy Kitchen Super Easy, which is filled with quick, family-friendly recipes. The conversation covers the challenges and joys of cooking with kids, how to make time-saving meals at home, and the transition from teaching in a classroom to teaching in the kitchen.
Part 2 of our conversation, which focuses exclusively on the business of food content creation, can be found here.Topics Discussed:
Transition from teaching to becoming a cooking personalityCooking with kids and making family meals enjoyableTime-saving kitchen hacks and tipsSpecial diets and adaptable recipesJohn’s favorite go-to family meal for busy nightsBehind the scenes of creating food content
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear sits down with Meghan Kix for part 2 of their discussion on marketing and branding. You can find part 1 here. Meghan's a marketing and branding specialist who's worked with major brands like Flying Dog Brewery, and now runs her own full-service creative agency, BeeCat Creative.
They explore how to effectively manage client expectations, the importance of automating processes to save time, and how to strike a balance between providing excellent service and maintaining personal boundaries.Meghan shares insights from her extensive experience in creative strategy, discussing the value of nurturing customer journeys and creating authentic brand experiences. The conversation also touches on the pitfalls of social media marketing, the importance of quality over quantity, and how businesses can stand out by being true to their values.
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear sits down with Meghan Kix, a marketing and branding specialist who's worked with major brands like Flying Dog Brewery, and now runs her own creative agency, BeeCat Creative. They delve into the essentials of branding, the importance of knowing your target audience, and the challenges of balancing creative integrity with client demands. Whether you’re looking to start your own business, or you're an entrepreneur looking to refine your brand, this episode is packed with valuable insights and practical advice.
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear welcomes Steve Sando, the founder of Rancho Gordo, a company known for its heirloom beans. Steve shares his unconventional journey from a diverse range of careers, to becoming a renowned bean entrepreneur. They discuss the importance of preserving heirloom varieties, the benefits of cooking with beans, and the growing interest in sustainable agriculture.
Topics Discussed:
Steve's Journey: Steve recounts his eclectic career path, including his time as a web designer, leading up to his discovery and passion for heirloom beans.Heirloom Beans: The unique qualities of heirloom beans, their flavors, and the significance of preserving these varieties.Entrepreneurial Insights: Steve and Chris discuss the challenges and rewards of starting a business later in life, emphasizing that success can come at any age.Cooking Tips: Steve provides practical advice on cooking beans, including soaking methods, using pressure cookers, and the benefits of cooking with clay pots.Health and Nutrition: The nutritional benefits of beans and tips for those who may experience digestive discomfort.Bean Club: An inside look at Rancho Gordo's popular Bean Club, which boasts a waitlist of 30,000 people eager to join.
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In this episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, Chris Spear sits down with Carolyn Phillips, a renowned expert in Chinese gastronomy and the author of acclaimed cookbooks such as All Under Heaven and the upcoming The Art of Chinese Baking. Carolyn's deep knowledge and passion for Chinese cuisine make this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in exploring the rich diversity of Chinese food and cooking. With accolades including being a James Beard Award finalist and a nominee for the MFK Fisher Distinguished Writing Award, Carolyn’s expertise is unmatched.
What You'll Learn:
Carolyn's Journey: How Carolyn Phillips got into Chinese cuisine through her study of the language and her experiences in Taiwan.Regional Cuisines: A detailed exploration of the various regional cuisines of China, their unique ingredients, and cooking techniques.Dim Sum Insights: Understanding the art of dim sum and Carolyn's recommendations for must-try dim sum dishes.Chinese Desserts and Baking: A sneak peek into Carolyn's upcoming book, The Art of Chinese Baking, and the often overlooked world of Chinese desserts.Cooking Tips: Practical advice from Carolyn on how to elevate your Chinese cooking at home, including her recommendations for essential ingredients to buy at stores like H Mart.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS
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Today, I’m diving into a unique and cost-effective marketing strategy that has worked wonders for my personal chef business: using your vehicle as a mobile billboard. If you're a service-based business owner, you’ll want to hear about this!
Introduction to Vehicle Marketing: Learn why using your vehicle as a mobile billboard can be a game-changer for your business.My Experience and Setup: I share the details of how I set up my car with magnets, a QR code, and business card holders, and the costs involved.Tracking Effectiveness: Discover how tracking your marketing efforts can help you understand what works best for your business.Real-Life Examples: Hear about my experiences parking in strategic locations and the results I've seen.
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In this mini-episode of Chefs Without Restaurants, host Chris Spear is joined by the acclaimed author Carolyn Phillips to discuss the art of writing a successful cookbook. Known for her works such as At the Chinese Table, All Under Heaven, The Dim Sum Field Guide, and the upcoming The Art of Chinese Baking, Carolyn shares invaluable insights for aspiring cookbook authors.
Carolyn’s advice to write about what you know deeply and to ensure that your cookbook offers something new and unique.The importance of respecting and accurately representing the culture of the cuisine you are writing about.Practical tips on using the metric system in recipes and why it’s essential for precision, especially in baking.Insights into the publishing world, including the benefits of starting with magazine articles to build your confidence and credibility.
With accolades including being a James Beard Award finalist and a nominee for the MFK Fisher Distinguished Writing Award, Carolyn’s expertise is unmatched. This episode is packed with tips on creating a high-quality cookbook, the importance of understanding the culture behind the cuisine, and the practicalities of publishing.
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Books on writing: Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott, On Writing by Stephen King.Websites: Eat Your Books, CKBK.Kitchen tool: Ozeri Digital Kitchen ScaleCAROLYN PHILLIPS
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This week on Chefs Without Restaurants, I speak with Brian Baumgartner, the actor best known for his role as Kevin Malone on the TV show "The Office."
Brian’s portrayal of Kevin provided countless laughs and unforgettable moments, especially the iconic chili scene. Beyond his on-screen persona, Brian has ventured into the culinary world, turning a 30-second cold open into a culinary journey that includes a best-selling chili cookbook and an upcoming barbecue book.
On the show, we dive deep into Brian’s experiences on "The Office," uncovering the behind-the-scenes magic that made the show a cultural phenomenon. We discuss the initial fears of cancellation, the unique documentary-style filming, and why the show still resonates with audiences today.
We also explore the famous chili episode, discussing how it was conceived, what went into filming that messy, memorable scene, and how it led to Brian’s unexpected foray into the culinary world. Brian shares his adventures at chili cook-offs, the diversity of chili recipes, and his tips for creating the perfect pot of chili.
But the culinary talk doesn’t stop there. Brian shares his love for barbecue, his favorite techniques and recipes, and the communal joy of outdoor cooking. Whether it’s grilling with friends or perfecting a tri-tip, Brian’s passion for cooking shines through.
BRIAN BAUMGARTNER
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🎙️ This week on Chefs Without Restaurant I speak with Pat Lee, a food content creator and private chef who resides in Delaware.
💰 Pat started his career working in the financial industry. But in the early days of the Covid pandemic, he lost his job. Like many of us, he was spending a lot of time at home. Being unemployed, he was looking for ways to tighten his budget. One of the things he did was focus on cooking food at home.
🔪 This eventually led to him creating cooking videos, teaching people how to be better cooks at home. You can find Pat on most social media platforms as Cooking with Pat Lee.
🎙️ On the show, we talk about the business of food content creation, community, and building and interacting with your followers. Pat discusses his creative process, and what inspires him. He also talks about his new podcast Cast Iron Conversations with Pat Lee.
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This week my guest is Billy Zureikat, known online as The Real Billy Z. He's a home cook, baker and pizza-maker who's life took an unexpected turn. He went from an active lifestyle, playing basketball and working at ESPN radio, to a challenging 8-year medical journey that resulted in a diagnosis of limb girdle muscular dystrophy 2L.
As his body underwent changes, he found solace and a newfound passion in the kitchen. He traded his jersey for an apron, re-focusing his energy on becoming a better home cook and baker. Sandwiches and pizza became his canvas, and from that emerged the "Tripping Billy" pizza. Little did he know, this creation would become a catalyst for raising funds and awareness for the Muscular Dystrophy Association.
Teaming up with some of Chicago's best pizzerias and restaurants, he shares his story of reinvention through food. It became a way to show people that even in the face of change, positive things can happen. Over the past few years, he's collaborated with over 50 culinary giants, raising $50,000 for the Muscular Dystrophy Association. He's been the Illinois Ambassador for the MDA since January of 2022.
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This week my guest is Nathan Myhrvold of Modernist Cuisine. Nathan graduated high school and went to college at 14. He holds a doctorate in theoretical and mathematical physics, as well as a master’s degree in mathematical economics, from Princeton University. His master’s degree is in geophysics and space physics, and he did postdoctoral cosmology work with Stephen Hawking. Nathan then spent 14 years at Microsoft, where he was their first Chief Technology Officer.
While working at Microsoft, he took a leave of absence to earn his culinary diploma from École de Cuisine La Varenne in France. Myhrvold retired from Microsoft in 1999 to found Intellectual Ventures and pursue several interests. Inspired by the void in literature about culinary science and the cutting-edge techniques used in the world’s best restaurants, Myhrvold assembled the Modernist Cuisine team to share the art andscience of cooking with others.In the culinary world, Nathan is known for his cooking lab, and the in-depth book sets Modernist Cuisine, Modernist Bread, and Modernist Pizza, as well as Modernist Cuisine at Home, and Modernist Bread at Home. His photography is sold at Modernist Cuisine Gallery by Nathan Myhrvold with locations in Seattle, New Orleans, and La Jolla.
Topics discussed:
The upcoming Modernist Pastry books
Pizza-making at home
What is Modernist Cuisine?
Breaking culinary traditions, and exploring cooking myths and lore
Microwaves, safety, and how they work
Cooking equipment such as combi ovens and induction cooktops
Sustainability as it relates to the food and beverage industry
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This week I'm sharing a clip from another podcast I was featured on a couple of years ago. I share a couple of funny stories that I've never shared before. The first story is about how actor Bill Murray inadvertently ruined my anniversary dinner. I love Bill, and this isn't something he intentionally did, but the story relates to good (and poor) customer service.
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The other story is about scrapple, an original recipe of mine, and how a large spice company might have appropriated this recipe, passed it off as their own, and it subsequently ended up in a book. I've joked about it, but I'm still kind of salty. In today's content creation era, it's something that I think is relevant.
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I'm excited to introduce you to Heaven Hill Bottled-in-Bond bourbon. Heaven Hill Bottled-in-Bond delivers a flavor profile that's unmatched. This bourbon is aged for seven years, three more than required, creating a richer, more sophisticated flavor profile. When you select this premium bottled-in-bond bourbon, Heaven Hill’s commitment to excellence is evident in every sip. Available Nationally, look for a bottle of Heaven Hill Bottled-in-Bond at your local store.
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This week my guest is "the whiskey professor" Bernie Lubbers, Heaven Hill Distillery's national brand ambassador. If you want to learn more about bourbon, and one of America's oldest and best distilleries, this episode is for you. Bernie explains the criteria for bourbon, as well as the bottled-in-bond classification, something he's championed since beginning his bourbon career in 2005.
We also discuss whiskey tastings and tasting notes in general. I asked him about the price of bottles, especially as it relates to the quality of the spirit. And I feel like it can be overwhelming when you go into the liquor store and see 200 different bottles of bourbon. Where do you even start? Bernie provides guidance.
Being the bottled-in-bond guy, we talk about that particular class of bourbons, and how to create your own tasting at home.
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This week my guest is Shawn Niles (aka The Fat Pastor). Shawn started his church in 2015, but his love of cooking led him to competing on MasterChef in 2016. What chef Gordon Ramsay told him would change his life forever.
Wanting to combine his two passions, Shawn started a program for at-risk youth in Yakima, WA called Urban Kitchen, to teach them culinary and business skills. At the end of the program, the students would open and run a 3-night pop-up restaurant.
He would later start BiteClub Yakima, and have the opportunity to go to Italy to work with chef Massimo Bottura. Also, following in the footsteps of his dad, his 9-year old son Asher is a current contestant on MasterChef Junior.SHAWN NILES/THE FAT PASTOR
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This week my guest is pizza maker and founder of Women’s Pizza Month Christy Alia. Women's pizza month is an online party taking place the whole month of March on Instagram. Of course, you can follow along by checking out the hashtag #WomensPizzaMonth.
Christy wanted to shine a spotlight on many of the women in pizza, so she took to Instagram to start this. Anyone can participate, and she encourages you to do a post, dedicating it to a woman that you’d like to highlight.
In addition, she’s partnered with Corto and Stanislaus on the "For the Love of Pizza" kit, which is meant to elevate your at-home pizza-making game. You'll also learn about the 5 scholarships that are available for aspiring home pizza makers to go to Pizza University in Maryland.
If you want to learn how to make better pizza at home, we talk about fermentation time, tools for making pizza at home, quality ingredients, different styles of pizza and pizza toppings.CHRISTY ALIA and #WomensPizzaMonth
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