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Coming up in this episode
* 2 be or y292B?
* Set your watch to Mozilla
* And we FINALLY get back to ya
0:00 Cold Open
2:35 libfuse2 & Y292B
15:09 Mozilla Alt Text & Layoffs
37:35 Pjolt on Thunderbird & iOS
45:20 Chris Recommends an Android
49:34 Chaos-r3v says it's FreeBSD
58:51 Stan Wonders: Mint or Ubuntu?
1:04:35 Next Time!
1:06:45 Stinger
The Video Version! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV67oDTbqU0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV67oDTbqU0
Preshow
If your podcatcher made you feel like you have deja vu for episode 5:04, you probably were correct. We had a little mixup on the upload. Just delete the bad episode and re-download. You can verify the episode here - https://linuxuserspace.show/504
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🔥Warm Up🔥
Our Appimage video has outdated instructions. Ubuntu renamed the libfuse2 package to libfuse2t64.
More information on the AppImageKit wiki page (https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/FUSE) about the correct Fuse packages for your distribution.
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Mozilla Watch
Mozilla is using AI to help improve alt text generation (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/ai/help-us-improve-our-alt-text-generation-model/)
Mozilla announce a huge 30 percent layoff (https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/5/24289124/mozilla-foundation-layoffs-advocacy-global-programs)
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Feedback
Pjolt - Thunderbird for iOS?
Thunderbird is in the roadmap for iOS (https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/thunderbird-for-iphone-and-ipad/idc-p/55779/highlight/true#M32691)
Chris - Which Android device?
The Pixel (https://swappa.com/buy/google-pixel-7a) has Chris's vote.
Chaos-r3v - Juniper Network switches
At least under the hood Junos OS is based on FreeBSD (https://www.juniper.net/documentation/us/en/software/junos/junos-install-upgrade/topics/topic-map/junos-os-overview.html)
Stan - Multiple Operating Systems on the same hardware
It is posssible to dualboot Ubuntu (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot) and Linux Mint (https://www.learnlinux.tv/how-to-dual-boot-windows-11-linux-mint-step-by-step-guide/) or just about any Linux distribution.
As far as which distribution is best, that really depends on you and what works best in your mind.
🔭Next Time🔭
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Coming up in this episode
* Style it Like it's 1999
* It Violates Freedom 0!
* We Turn it off and on again
* and You Can Send it to LUS!
0:00 Cold Open
2:10 Going Back to 1999
23:32 Bitwarden Says "BOO!"
39:11 Turn It Off and On Again
56:02 The Windows Cliff
1:16:41 Next Time!
1:20:05 Stinger
And the video version! (https://youtu.be/wXODmWq9ZZU)
https://youtu.be/wXODmWq9ZZU
Warm Up
How to make a web page? CSS (https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS/#css) and HTML? (https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/)
A static site generator like Jekyll (https://jekyllrb.com) or Hugo? (https://gohugo.io)
A CMS like Drupal (https://www.drupal.org) or Joomla? (https://www.joomla.org)
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Bitwarden gives a scare
The issue (https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/11611)
Whoopsie Doodle (https://x.com/Bitwarden/status/1848135725663076446)
Bitwarden License FAQ (https://github.com/bitwarden/server/blob/main/LICENSE_FAQ.md)
Bitwarden SDK License (https://github.com/bitwarden/sdk/blob/main/LICENSE)
It violates freedom 0! (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html)
After we recorded there was further news. (https://www.phoronix.com/news/Bitwarden-Code-Cleared-Up)
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Turn it off and back on again
NSA has some advice for you (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21018353/nsa-mobile-device-best-practices.pdf)
The Forbes take (https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2024/10/22/nsa-tells-iphone-and-android-users-reboot-your-device-now/)
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Your PC is no good, send it to LUS
The Windows 10 cliff (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/lots-of-pcs-are-poised-to-fall-off-the-windows-10-update-cliff-one-year-from-today/)
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Puuttuva jakso?
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Coming up in this episode
* The Archive Gets Downed
* Thunderbird Goes Mobile
* and the Oriole Takes Flight
0:00 Cold Open
1:44 Panic at the Archive!
20:00 Thunderbird's On Android
43:11 Ubuntu's Out, We're In
1:05:15 Next Time
1:08:18 Stinger
The Video Version! (https://youtu.be/08a-W_qHwHI)
https://youtu.be/08a-W_qHwHI
Warm Up
The Internet Archive suffers a DDoS attack and breach (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/internet-archive-hacked-data-breach-impacts-31-million-users/)
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Thunderbird for Android
The Beta announcement (https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/09/help-us-test-the-thunderbird-for-android-beta/)
arsTechnica article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/10/thunderbird-android-client-is-k-9-mail-reborn-and-its-in-solid-beta/)
The Register article (https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/09/thunderbird_for_android_beta/?td=rt-3a)
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Ubuntu and flavors release 24.10
Ubuntu (https://ubuntu.com/blog/canonical-releases-ubuntu-24-10-oracular-oriole)
Kubuntu (https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-24-10-oracular-oriole-released/)
Lubuntu (https://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-24-10-oracular-oriole-released/)
Ubuntu Budgie (https://ubuntubudgie.org/2024/10/ubuntu-budgie-24-10-release-notes/)
Ubuntu Mate (https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-oracular-oriole-release-notes/)
Edubuntu (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/edubuntu-24-10-released/48647)
Ubuntu Studio (https://ubuntustudio.org/2024/10/ubuntu-studio-24-10-released/)
Ubuntu Cinnamon (https://ubuntucinnamon.org/?p=1348)
Ubuntu Unity (https://ubuntuunity.org/posts/ubuntu-unity-2410-released/)
Ubuntu Kylin (https://www.ubuntukylin.com/news/ubuntukylin2410-en.html)
Xubuntu (https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-24-10-released/)
Canonical's new Kernel selection policy explained (https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/08/canonical-announce-major-ubuntu-kernel-change)
Stay tuned, Fedora 41 is coming soon (https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-41/f-41-all-tasks.html)
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Coming up in this episode
* Another browser watch
* The History of Linux Mint and Cinnamon
* And how spiced was it?
0:00 Cold Open
1:26 The Mozilla Happenings
22:13 Linux Mint & Cinnamon History
26:54 The Early Mints
32:46 Cinnamon Arrives!
38:49 The Mint and Cinnamon Journey
49:53 Our Spicy Cinnamon Journeys
1:16:44 Next Time!
1:20:09 Stinger
The Video Version! (https://youtu.be/ZK9mn5miMPM)
https://youtu.be/ZK9mn5miMPM
Warm Up
Mozilla got a new logo (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24253028/mozilla-brand-update-tyrannosaurus-rex-logo).
Mozilla dot Social is dead on December 17th (https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24248142/mozilla-will-shut-down-its-mastodon-server-on-december-17th).
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The History of Cinnamon
A new distro release (https://web.archive.org/web/20061019115016/http://linuxmint.com/content/blogsection/9/55/)
Three months later (https://web.archive.org/web/20061210132202/http://lt.k1011.nutime.de/news.html)
Version 2.0 of Linux Mint (https://web.archive.org/web/20061208052311/http://lt.k1011.nutime.de/20061113.html)
Bea, version 2.1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20061209094505/http://lt.k1011.nutime.de/20061201.html)
Bianca, version 2.2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20070708184233/http://linuxmint.com/)
Mint's very own package manager 'apt' which is not-the-same-as-the-apt-you-know (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=68)
Lisa, version 12 (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1889)
Maya, version 13 (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2031)
Cinnamon 1.1.2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120920015647/http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=53)
Nemo was forked from Nautilus, Gnome's file manager (https://web.archive.org/web/20120905232228/http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=198)
Cinnamon 2.2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20150418060752/http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2014/04/cinnamon-2-2)
Cinnamon 2.4 (https://web.archive.org/web/20150329002036/http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2014/11/cinnamon-2-4/)
Nemo got a plugin manager (https://web.archive.org/web/20150729143250/http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2015/06/cinnamon-2-6/).
Cinnamon 2.8, gained a power applet (https://web.archive.org/web/20151129213516/http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2015/11/cinnamon-2-8-released/)
Apps written by the Mint team for... everything (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2985)
Cinnamon 3.0 was released (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3026)
Better touchpad support, more animations and better window management. (https://web.archive.org/web/20161008034617/http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2016/04/cinnamon-3-0-released/)
Plugins that Cinnamon could use were called Spices (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3094)
Cinnamon 3.4 (https://web.archive.org/web/20170708083908/http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_sonya_cinnamon_whatsnew.php)
Cinnamon 3.6 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180401182007/https://linuxmint.com/rel_sylvia_cinnamon_whatsnew.php)
Cinnamon 4.0 (https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_tessa_cinnamon_whatsnew.php)
Cinnamon 5.0 (https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_uma_cinnamon_whatsnew.php)
"Thingy" (https://github.com/linuxmint/thingy)
Cinnamon 6.0 with experimental Wayland (https://9to5linux.com/cinnamon-6-0-desktop-environment-arrives-with-initial-wayland-support)
Cinnamon 6.4 will end up with a much needed facelift. (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4740)
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Coming up in this episode* Death & Taxes* Stop Filing Bug Reports! -- like that* and Your Emails!0:00 Cold Open1:25 Yubikeys are DEAD!10:41 Deep In the Heart of Ptyxis28:01 The Do's and Don'ts of Bug Reports42:47 Email: Scott J49:47 Email: Ben52:49 Email: Bruce H57:48 Email: Rob Simmons1:03:22 Email: DailyDriver1:04:24 Email: J1:08:34 Pnext Time1:10:17 PstingerSee the Video on Youtube (https://youtu.be/jWSVnDYeEe4)!https://youtu.be/jWSVnDYeEe4Your Yubikey is DEAD!The Yubico advisory (https://www.yubico.com/support/security-advisories/ysa-2024-03/)arsTechnica coverage (https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/09/yubikeys-are-vulnerable-to-cloning-attacks-thanks-to-newly-discovered-side-channel/)The really deep dive details (https://ninjalab.io/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/20240903_eucleak.pdf)📣Announcements📣This program was made possible by:* 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace)* 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace)* And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍Ptyxis?Accessibility in Ptyxis (https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2024/02/29/accessibility-in-ptyxis/)Fedora workstation (Gnome) will switch for F41. (https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/417)📣More Announcements📣Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum).How to ask for help. (Social Soapbox)Dan's blog post (https://www.linuxuserspace.show/articles/how-to-ask-for-help).Article written by Simon Tatham (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html).Lubuntu wiki page (https://git.lubuntu.me/lubuntu-wiki/wiki/wiki/Bugs) about submitting bugs.🧹Housekeeping🧹Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.* 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show)* 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit)* ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord)* 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram)* ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix)* 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch)* 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon)* 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter)* 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids)* 📱 Linux User Space Bluesky (https://linuxuserspace.show/bluesky)FeedbackScott J., EmailScott likes the Beelink with the Ryzen7 5800H (https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-ser5-max-5800h).Ben, EmailBen recommends Readeck (https://readeck.org/en/).Bruce, EmailBruce likes the Opera Browser (https://www.opera.com/).Rob Simmons, EmailRob found a great operating system for his old Chromebook, Lubuntu (https://lubuntu.me). Dan thinks that is good choice too.Like Leo, Rob prefers email too. And yes, he is a Simmons ;).Daily Driver, EmailDD wants to promote a couple of hidden gem distros.Crunchbangplusplus (https://www.crunchbangplusplus.org/)Bunsenlabs (https://www.bunsenlabs.org/)https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/31/crunchbangversusbunsen_labs/https://www.infoworld.com/article/2243143/the-death-of-crunchbang-linux.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunchBang_LinuxJ, EmailJ would like some notes, guides and configurations for Wireguard. Stay tuned to our blog (https://www.linuxuserspace.show/articles/). We will try to get something posted.🔭Next Time🔭Our first history episode of the season will be Cinnamon Desktop Environment (https://github.com/linuxmint/cinnamon).Come back for more Linux User Space in two weeks. Watch for our livestream announcements in between episodes. Stay tuned📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord and now Bluesky or whatever platform you prefer. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!ProducerBrunoDaveJohnJohnnyVisaggio & CoCo-Producer--verboseMarshManGrouchyMPjolTimSuper UserA.J.AdvaitBackshift6090CubicleNateEduardo S.FrozenGorillaHauskenJeff3ixJeffersonJill and SteveLarryLiNuXsys666LivetMusical CoderMickNicholasRotted MoodsleepyeyesvinceThe Saigoneer
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Coming up in this episode
* Do you think Larry uses Firefox?
* The Compiled History of Gentoo
* and How we emerged from the year long journey
0:00 Cold Open
2:44 Mozilla Watch!
24:59 Gentoo - The Early Years
30:30 Gentoo - 1.0 And Beyond
35:20 Gentoo - 2007 to 2014
39:56 Gentoo - 2015 to the Present
45:37 The ENTIRE Gentoo Journey
1:20:49 Next Season?
1:24:52 Stinger
The Video Version! (https://youtu.be/bsPV79bgU4c)
https://youtu.be/bsPV79bgU4c
Mozilla Watch
Mozilla recently announced some planned improvements (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/heres-what-were-working-on-in-firefox/).
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The History of Gentoo
Stampede Linux (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2937)
When a system emerged, it was called Enoch (https://web.archive.org/web/20051126223839/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/making-the-distro-p1.xml)
Making a Distro part 2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20051118195918/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/making-the-distro-p2.xml)
Sustainability of the project had made its way to the forefront (https://web.archive.org/web/20051126225230/http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/making-the-distro-p3.xml).
Gentoo website ~August 2001 (https://web.archive.org/web/20010924064822/http://gentoo.org:80/)
March 3 2002 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020328041905/http://www.gentoo.org/) public facing movement was easily spotted.
March 31 2002 (https://web.archive.org/web/20020604061411/http://gentoo.org/news/20020331-gentoo.html), 1.0 was finally released!
The huge influx of new users it encouraged caused bandwidth issues for Gentoo (https://web.archive.org/web/20020604025327/http://lists.gentoo.org/pipermail/gentoo-announce/2002-May/000161.html).
August of 2003, 1.4 was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20031207075713/http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030811-newsletter.xml).
Full installation could be completed in under an hour! (https://forums.gentoo.org/posting.php?mode=quote&p=110077&sid=55086929168089cbbb9dcdac1cec05ec)
2004, marked a change (https://web.archive.org/web/20031204134123/http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/index.xml) from the dot releases.
2004.0 released February 28, 2004 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040610161340/http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2004.0/releng/2004.0-press-release.txt).
Daniel Robbins, the creator and founder, resigns from Gentoo (https://web.archive.org/web/20040501110844/http://www.gentoo.org/news/20040426-drobbins.xml).
Despite that work continued. 2004.1 was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20141224104108/http://www.gentoo.org//proj/en/releng/release/2004.2/2004.2-press-release.txt) shortly after that news, dot 2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20040803014434/http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2004.2/2004.2.xml) in July and dot 3 (https://web.archive.org/web/20101223035338/http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20041115-newsletter.xml) in November.
September 2005, the first Gentoo Council was elected (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council).
Daniel Robbins makes his glorious return (https://lwn.net/Articles/224082/) to the project!
This lasted about 8 days before he resigned again (https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future).
Other developers joined Robbins (https://www.linux.com/news/gentoo-attempts-deal-developer-conflicts/).
Stability questions around the stability of the Gentoo Project (https://youtu.be/-ZSli7QW4rg)
October 2009, a LiveDVD release (https://web.archive.org/web/20141222231552/https://www.gentoo.org/news/20091004-gentoo-10-years.xml).
11.0, released in 2011 (https://web.archive.org/web/20141222015352/http://www.gentoo.org/news/20110308-livedvd.xml).
In 2015 A new website was announced (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2015/03/31/website-update.html#old-april-fools-day-announcement)! After the air was cleared, an actual NEW website (https://web.archive.org/web/20150502115556/https://www.gentoo.org/).
In 2016, Gentoo Choice Edition (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng/LiveDVD/20160514). Then in July, Choice Edition Part Dos (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:RelEng/LiveDVD/20160704).
word crimes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc)
In 2017, 17.0 in November (https://web.archive.org/web/20181222003035/https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2017-12-26-experimental-amd64-17-1-profiles.html) and an experimental 17.1 in December (https://web.archive.org/web/20181222003035/https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2017-12-26-experimental-amd64-17-1-profiles.html).
An issue on Github (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Infrastructure/Incident_reports/2018-06-28_Github) in 2018.
2019 saw the 17.1 profiles finally stabilize (https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2019-06-05-amd64-17-1-profiles-are-now-stable.html).
In 2021, the addition of 20.0 profiles were released (https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-06-20-riscv-20-profile-migration.html).
Genchu (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401215506/https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/04/01/genchu.html)
Wallpaper1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401174243/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_01.jpg)
Wallpaper2 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401222127/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_02.jpg)
Wallpaper3 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401174337/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_03.jpg)
Wallpaper4 (https://web.archive.org/web/20210401174404/https://dev.gentoo.org/~alicef/wallpaper_04.jpg)
Precompiled binaries for more packages were announced (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html?ref=news.itsfoss.com).
March of 2024, profile version 23.0 (https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2024-03-22-new-23-profiles.html).
Michał Górny notes (https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2024/05/30/the-dead-weight-of-packages-in-gentoo/) in his blog a few days before recording here that Gentoo has a problem.
Some Gentoo Quicklinks
Main Gentoo Website (https://www.gentoo.org/)
Gentoo Handbook (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page)
Gentoo Wiki (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Main_Page)
Gentoo Forums (https://forums.gentoo.org)
Gentoo Developers (https://www.gentoo.org/inside-gentoo/developers/)
Gentoo Bugtracker (https://bugs.gentoo.org/)
Gentoo Packages (https://packages.gentoo.org/)
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Coming up in this episode
* We want to be the hosts with the most (compute)
* Use Passkeys, (PASS!!!!)
* ed, notes, the Linux Wars and AI in the feedback
0:00 Cold Open
1:43 Which Mini PC Do We Buy?
23:21 Time to Use Passkeys!
55:03 greenthumbs Feedback
58:00 Scott Feedback
1:01:32 Dave Feedback
1:08:29 n.m Feedback
1:14:05 kynize Feedback
1:25:53 Next Time
1:32:02 Stinger
The video version! (https://youtu.be/C76WdhM2_kM)
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🤏Micro Mini Compute Machines💻
Can we expand our server farm with one of these? (https://www.amazon.com/stores/Beelink/page/E76F7A4A-070E-428C-9129-832B18C1493F)
Or, maybe one of the higher end units is a nice recording system? Quiet is the name of the game for that.
What else is there that you recommend?
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🔑Passkeys🔐
Google Overview of Passkeys (https://developers.google.com/identity/passkeys)
What are Passkeys? - Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/what-are-passkeys)
Passkeys: What They Are and Why You Need Them ASAP - PCMag (https://www.pcmag.com/explainers/passwordless-authentication-what-it-is-and-why-you-need-it-asap)
FIDO Alliance - Passkeys (https://fidoalliance.org/passkeys/)
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Greenthumbs
Commented on our E.D. History video (https://youtu.be/yUCuzkKGHos). :heart:
Scott via Email
If you read the directions 😉 (https://www.qownnotes.org/getting-started/qownnotesapi.html), they tell you the API doesn't handle the sync. You have to sync your folders with the Nextcloud client.
Dave from Discord
How could one share a Passkey with a team? Dan thinks Bitwarden (https://bitwarden.com/help/storing-passkeys/) might be the answer.
n.m on the Year of The Linux Desktop
Maybe? Most importantly, it should be the Year of Linux for you. The Livestream playback now has timestamps! (https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
kynize wants to know if AI will make the desktop faster
It seems unlikely that AI will use less resources. With dedicated hardware we might not notice (https://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/what-is-an-npu). It does aim to make the user experience better though.
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Coming up in this episode* Does it do Passkeys tho?* So What Happened to Xz anyway?* How do we fix the internet?The Video Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJY)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3bN3PRmHJYTimestamps0:00 Cold Open1:36 Amazingly Self-Hosted34:13 The History of Xz and the Hack*!49:58 How to Fix Open Source1:15:56 Next Time1:20:42 Stinger💻Self Hosting and Passkeys🔑Audiobookshelf (https://www.audiobookshelf.org/)Immich (https://immich.app/)Tailscale (https://tailscale.com/)What are Passkeys - Tom's Guide (https://www.tomsguide.com/news/what-are-passkeys)Passkeys - FIDO Alliance (https://fidoalliance.org/passkeys/)📣Announcements📣This program was made possible by:* 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace)* 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace)* And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍📖The History of XZ🦜LZMA (https://web.archive.org/web/20121109182343/http://sourceforge.net/projects/sevenzip/forums/forum/45797/topic/1025556)Andrey Markov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain)LZ77 and LZ78 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LZ77_and_LZ78)7zip history (https://7-zip.org/history.txt)Slackels (https://web.archive.org/web/20060202151612/https://tukaani.org/)LZMA in the form of the GCC compiled LZMA SDK (https://web.archive.org/web/20060213143853/http://tukaani.org/lzma/history)Tukanni Linux Project was officially gone (https://web.archive.org/web/20071011030325/http://tukaani.org/)LZMA Utils was left behind (https://web.archive.org/web/20090830051503/http://tukaani.org:80/xz) in favor of the similarly LZMA-backed Xz Utils.version 5.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20101201065849/http://tukaani.org/xz/) is the transition from LZMA to XZ.Some distributions would eventually migrate to using Z Standard compression, including Arch (https://archlinux.org/news/now-using-zstandard-instead-of-xz-for-package-compression/) in 2019 and Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Switch_RPMs_to_zstd_compression) and Ubuntu would make the switch in 2020.A new face, Jigar Kumar, shows up (https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00565.html).January 7th, 2023, Jia Tan was finally able to merge their own commits (https://github.com/tukaani-project/xz/pull/7) to Xz on Github.Jia tries to convince (https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/10667) the OSS-Fuzz team to accept a patch that disabled Indrect Function.Adding the test files (https://git.tukaani.org/?p=xz.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf44e4b7f5dfdbf8c78aef377c10f71e274f63c0) which weren't test files at all.Andres Freund's Mastodon post (https://mastodon.social/@AndresFreundTec/112180083704606941)On April 2nd, 2024, Collin adds a page to his tukaani.org (https://tukaani.org/xz-backdoor/) domain.📣More Announcements📣Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum)🧹Housekeeping🧹Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.* 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show)* 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit)* ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord)* 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram)* ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix)* 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch)* 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon)* 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter)* 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids)⚒️How To Fix Open Source🛠️Heartbleed (https://heartbleed.com/)I'm not a supplier (https://www.softwaremaxims.com/blog/not-a-supplier)XKCD 2347 (https://xkcd.com/2347/)🔭Next Time🔭We plan to explore your feedback and some other topics. Our final history episode of the season will be Gentoo (https://www.gentoo.org/).Come back in two weeks for more Linux User SpaceStay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!ProducerBrunoDaveJohnJohnnyVisaggio & CoCo-Producer--verboseTimGrouchyMSuper UserA.J.AdvaitCubicleNateEduardo S.HauskenJeff3ixJeffersonJill and SteveLarryLiNuXsys666LivetMusical CoderNicholasNickpjolsleepyeyesvinceThe SaigoneerTobias
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Coming up in this episode
* We put a hat on AI
* The SecureBlue/ublue thing
* The UNIX Wars part deux
0:00 Cold Open
1:49 Artificial Fedora
28:35 The ImmutaBlues
54:01 Feedback
55:20 Tane on Notes and Unix
59:28 Ian on Unix
1:02:33 Chris on Notes and Sync
1:10:22 A Quick Release Update
1:14:41 Next Time
1:18:03 Stinger
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AI dons a hat 🤖🎩
Matthew Miller on AI in Fedora (https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/strategy-2028-april-2024-update/)
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Course correction on Secureblue
We messed up but RoyalOughtness (https://github.com/qoijjj), the creator of Secureblue, set us straight.
Atomic Fedora is the start of the pipeline: (https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/how-to-rebase-to-universal-blues-base-images/868)
xkbcat (https://github.com/anko/xkbcat)
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Tane via Email
Tane uses Nextcloud Notes (https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes)
Also Iotas (https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/iotas)
Unix Wars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars)
The terms of the Open Group (Open Group https://web.archive.org/web/20240205220954/https://unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html)
Current Open Group members (https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/)
Ian via email
BSD, AIX, HP-UX and similar are all as UNIX as you can get these days. They started out as licensed UNIX Operating Systems with a direct IP license from AT&T and passed whatever requirements AT&T had at the time.
Chris via email
Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/) is not FOSS.
Logseq (https://logseq.com/) is overwhelming at first but good now.
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Coming up in this episode
* Themes Are More Global Than You Think
* Kdenlive Does Some Layering
* The History of LXDE
* To Qt, or not to Qt?
* Then, we call an audible
0:00 Cold Open
2:17 Theme of the Crop
16:22 The Lost Edit
28:11 The History of LXDE
55:51 How'd LXQt and LXDE Go?
1:24:28 Next Time
1:31:13 Stinger
The Video Version
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🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop
KDE's Attack Surface?
Hackaday coverage (https://hackaday.com/2024/03/25/user-beware-the-fine-line-between-content-and-code/)
The Reddit Post (https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1bixmbx/do_not_install_global_themes_some_wipe_out_all/)
Kdenlive gave Leo a hard time
24.02.0 (https://kdenlive.org/en/2024/03/kdenlive-24-02-0-released/) was hot off the press and Leo couldn't resist.
Thankfully 24.02.1 (https://kdenlive.org/en/2024/03/kdenlive-24-02-1-released/) followed to hopefully resolve the issues.
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The History of LXDE (and some LXQt)
The LXDE mailing list goes back to 2008 (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/lxde-list/)
Ubuntu Lite (https://web.archive.org/web/20071213180659/http://ubuntulite.https://web.archive.org/web/20090126190042/http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5187661383.htmltuxfamily.org/?q=node/5)
later known as U-lite commited (https://web.archive.org/web/20071213180659/http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/5) to using LXDE.
DesktopLinux.com coverage (https://web.archive.org/web/20090207075132/http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7428727466.html)
Elemental Linux, MoonOS and WattOS followed with a commitment (https://web.archive.org/web/20120427050611/http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Ubuntu)
A PCManFM review from 2008 (https://web.archive.org/web/20220119114409/https://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/07/pcman-file-manager-045-review.html)
The blog appears (https://blog.lxde.org/page/27/)
December 2008 status update (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/12/10/recent-status-of-lxde/)
Sidux adds an unofficial LXDE flavor (https://web.archive.org/web/20080929014208/http://cap.gediam.de/index-en.htm)
Mandriva adds LXDE (https://web.archive.org/web/20081005023344/http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Tour#LXDE)
Fedora too (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/11/13/fedora-10-with-lxde/)
LXDE Translation project (https://blog.lxde.org/2008/12/14/lxde-translation-project/)
PCMan asks the community for feedback (https://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=456)
FOSDEM 2009 (https://www.slideshare.net/mariobehling/lxde-presentation-at-fosdem-2009?type=presentation)
Lubuntu enters the chat (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/02/05/lubuntu-lxde-meet-up-with-mark-shuttleworth-in-berlin)
LXDE on android phones (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/02/23/lxde-running-on-android-phones/)
LXDE on Solaris (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/03/21/lxde-on-opensolaris/)
LXDE in Centos (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/05/04/lxde-in-centos/)
PCLXDE (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/08/06/pclxde/)
First Lubuntu test ISO (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/08/31/first-lubuntu-test-iso-available/)
Fedora success (https://blog.lxde.org/2009/12/15/huge-success-of-the-fedora-12-lxde-spin/)
OpenSUSE status update (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/03/01/opensuse-lxde-development-status/)
Refactor time (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/02/21/pcmanfm-0-9-alpha-is-released/)
Rewrite, and make it faster (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/03/19/the-first-beta-release-of-new-pcmanfmlibfm/)
Movable desktop icons (https://blog.lxde.org/2010/10/05/desktop-icons-of-pcmanfm-becomes-movable/)
LXDE becomes an available Debian desktop (https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopInLenny)
A Qt port begins (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/02/19/pcmanfm-file-manager-is-ported-to-qt/)
Diverse paths (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/03/26/pcmanfm-qt-0-1-0-released/)
PCMan develops a "Guide for Migrating from Gtk+ to Qt" (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/04/25/a-guide-for-porting-gtk-applications-to-qt/)
LXDE-QT preview (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/07/03/lxde-qt-preview/)
Razor-Qt (https://www.pcworld.com/article/461673/five-reasons-to-try-the-new-razor-qt-linux-desktop.html)
PCMan had this to say about Razor-Qt (https://groups.google.com/g/razor-qt/c/aRfqM_W_ODQ)
A merger of LXDE-Qt and Razor-Qt (https://blog.lxde.org/?p=1046)
LXDE-Qt is not bloated (https://blog.lxde.org/2013/07/05/no-lxde-qt-is-not-bloated/)
PCManFM-Qt was in a usable state (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/03/23/pcmanfm-qt-reaches-a-quite-usable-state/)
LXQt alpha is announced (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/04/27/the-first-alpha-release-of-lxde-qt-or-lxqt-is-in-preparation/)
shortly after it was announced (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/32310545/).
Initial FreeBSD support (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/05/09/lxqt-got-initial-freebsd-support/) for LXQt
Comparing Numbers (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/05/09/some-numbers-about-lxqt-for-those-who-are-curious/)
LXQt got “full” Qt5 support (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/06/29/lxqt-now-has-full-qt5-support/)
LXQt 0.8 released (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/32927295/)
LXDE is still going (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/11/18/status-update-for-lxde/)
We say goodbye (https://blog.lxde.org/2014/11/21/in-memory-of-razor-qt/) to Razor-qt
The 0.9 release was caught on snags (https://sourceforge.net/p/lxde/mailman/message/33285634/) but eventually released (https://web.archive.org/web/20160113173328/http://lxqt.org/release/2015/02/08/release-0-9-0/)
LXQt 0.10 followed (https://web.archive.org/web/20160112231402/https://lxqt.org/release/2015/11/02/release-0-10-0/)
LXQt 0.11 released (https://web.archive.org/web/20161121064047/http://lxqt.org/release/2016/09/24/lxqt-011-et-al/)
More stats (https://blog.lxde.org/2016/10/04/benchmark-memory-usage-lxqt-desktop-environment-vs-xfce/)
LXQt 0.12.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20171030182926/http://lxqt.org/release/2017/10/21/lxqt-0120/)
LXQt 0.13.0 (https://web.archive.org/web/20190522094012/https://lxqt.org/release/2018/05/21/lxqt-0130/)
The end for GTK 2 (https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/)
Debian, at the time, set the death date (https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2018/11/msg00570.html)
GTK 3 would end up being the target for LXDE (https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/lxde-gtk3/)
LXQt 0.17 (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/0.17.0)
LXQt 1.0.0 was released! (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/releases/tag/1.0.0)
LXDE diehards are still keeping things alive for LXDE (https://github.com/lxde)
LXQt 2.0 is planned to release in the usual April slot (https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2024/02/15/qt-6-and-wayland/)
Speaking of Wayland (https://lxqt-project.org/blog/2024/04/09/wayland_faq/)
Quick LXQt History (https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/History)
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* Telemetry helps us all
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0:00 Cold Open
1:34 The GOOD Telemetry
23:33 Gnome Classic & Friends
31:16 The Incredible Immutables
44:00 A Slight Correction
50:25 A Little Backstory
59:24 mintCast, CKP, FCWN & DHD
1:02:31 So Lightweight!
1:10:23 Another Dive into Notes
1:21:48 Fix GRUB, Add Color
1:29:49 Next Time
1:31:58 Stinger
🔥Warm up🔥
Dan Johansen in Matrix
pkgstats (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pkgstats)
Fun Stats (https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun)
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Fragmentation? Not on My Watch!
Muesli from Matrix
* Gnome Classic (https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/gnome-classic.html.en)
* Is it healthy co-opetition or fragmentation? Let us know.
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A quick correction
jensmander1223 on Youtube
OpenIndiana is Unix-Like but it's own thing (https://docs.openindiana.org/misc/openindiana/)
The history of Dan and Leo
visamp from Matrix
Leo and Dan both did Linux Spotlight Episodes with our former co-host Rocco. Dan's episode (https://youtu.be/r5WYun6PVYc) and Leo's (https://youtu.be/rSQpy0LzNLw)
We plan to drop some more tidbits in the not too distant future.
Peter Jones
Thanks for the support and for listening.
Mintcast (https://mintcast.org)
Crowbar Kernel Panic (http://crowbarkernelpanic.com)
Full Circle Weekly (https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcasts/)
Emiliano from Argentina
Thanks for the message, the Spanish test and the support.
QOwnNotes & Joplin
Scott
* Scott recommends QOwnNotes (https://www.qownnotes.org) and not Joplin (https://joplinapp.org).
Another Vote for Obsidian. Then Anki, RemNote and LogSeq
DesertDoug
Doug searched long and hard recently for a note taking app too. Doug bumped into Obsidian (https://obsidian.md/), Anki (https://apps.ankiweb.net/), RemNote (https://www.remnote.com/) and Logseq (https://logseq.com/).
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Gentoo Focus
Jensmander1223 sent some tips to help Dan with his bootloader issue. Dan will continue to keep working on that. Jensmander also sent along the tip to use colordiff (https://github.com/daveewart/colordiff) which can highlight differences when changing config files. We plan to go over a few of these on an upcoming livestream (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch).
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* The AI Revolution is Coming
* The History of MATE
* We Read the Tea Leaves
* Then Look to Lighten the Load
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0:00 Cold Open
4:09 Embrace the AI Overlords
21:45 The History of MATE
42:22 How Is MATE?
1:05:16 Next Time
1:07:51 Stinger
Preshow - The Computer Shopper
Dan is sitting on a gold mine with his collection of Computer Shoppers (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=computer+shopper+magazine&_sacat=0)
🔥Warm Up🔥 - AI on the Linux Desktop
Deepin OS is working on adding AI in (https://www.deepin.org/en/deepin-and-ai/) Another link (https://news.itsfoss.com/deepin-linux-distro-ai/)
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The History of Mate
The first MATE org blogpost (https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2011-12-05-introducing-mate-desktop/)
The initial Arch Linux forum post (https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=121162&p=1)
Perberos described the fork as... (https://youtu.be/iwQ7iqNwRKs?t=64)
Phoronix August 2011 (https://www.phoronix.com/news/OTgxMA)
ingeek 2011 (https://web.archive.org/web/20140214105804/http://ingeek.com/a-gnome-2-fork-the-mate-desktop-environment)
Perberos attempted to grow the community on the Ubuntu forums (https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11333073) and Linux Mint forums (https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=86481)
Perberos, Clement Lefebvre, Stefano Karapetsas, and Steve Zesch were the founders (https://web.archive.org/web/20120122102625/http://mate-desktop.org:80/team/).
The initial migration script (https://pub.mate-desktop.org/releases/1.1/)
Salix (https://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3510#p22897) had been one of the very first distributions to headline MATE
The GNOME team created GNOME Flashback (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GnomeFlashback#History)
MATE University (https://github.com/mate-desktop-legacy-archive/mate-university)
GhostBSD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GhostBSD) features the Mate desktop
By the end of the year and into 2014 (https://youtu.be/iwQ7iqNwRKs), MATE was officially available in Arch, Debian, Fedora, Linux Mint, openSUSE, Sabayon, Salix and Ubuntu.
Stefano Karapestas stepped up (https://youtu.be/sRNK9QnnvCo?t=1395) to lead the team.
Clem had his part-ownership of MATE removed. He had this to say (https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4591)
The big scoop MATE 1.28 (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases/tag/v1.28.0) and1.28.1 (https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/releases/tag/v1.28.1) were recently released!
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* We add to the KDE saga
* We search for the humans on the other end of the Internet
* We pour over the Feedback
* We focus on the Gentoo feedback
The Video Version
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Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:30 The KDE AMA
7:47 The Truth About KDE 4.0
19:46 AppImage Is Broken in Ubuntu
24:47 There Be Humans Out There
40:07 Reverb Focus!
* 41:33 Douglas (Old Mac, New Tricks)
* 49:29 Bruce (Well, Why Don't Ya?!)
* 55:12 Jayden (GNOME Syndrome)
1:04:15 The Care & Feeding of Gentoo (feat. Ryan)
1:15:51 Next Time!
1:20:32 Stinger
🔥Warm up🔥
There was an KDE AMA on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/comment/835481) and on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1ae4spk/plasma_6_rc_2_is_landing_on_wednesday_get_ready/)
Troy Unrau (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/comment/836067), a KDE dev, on the KDE History
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There are humans on the other end of that Internet
This conversation was sparked from this Tweet (https://twitter.com/tsimonquigley2/status/1740110615404806483)
Linus gets passionate sometimes (https://web.archive.org/web/20240201103502/https://lkml.org/lkml/2024/1/26/1013)
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Reverb Focus
Douglas Paul
Douglas does his own 12 step distro hop program.
Gnome (https://www.gnome.org/), Fedora (https://fedoraproject.org/), with Extensions (https://extensions.gnome.org/) and Albert (https://albertlauncher.github.io/) is the landing spot... at least for now.
Bruce Hankins on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11)
Two categories of users, average users and power users.
Average users don't really tinker.
Power users like to tinker (this is where Leo and Dan fall as well as many of you) but there is a small amount of us.
Installation of the system and applications is not intuitive.
Jayden on Why Don't You Use Linux (4:11) AAAAAAND a Note Suggestion
Gnome with gestures and multi-touch (https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Gestures) are great.
A couple of note taking apps for Leo to chase - Xournal++ (https://xournalpp.github.io/) and Rnote (https://rnote.flxzt.net/)
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* The History of KDE
* And Plasma, Straight from the Tap
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:44 A Note on Notes
22:52 The History of KDE
28:29 History: KDE 1
30:42 History: KDE 2
33:03 History: KDE 3
36:21 History: KDE 4
45:36 History: Plasma 5
51:34 History: Plasma 6
53:17 Plasma 6 Raw (hide)
1:20:49 Next Time: Topics, then MATE
1:27:37 Stinger
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🔥Warm Up🔥
Leo hits the books and learns about reference style links (https://www.markdownguide.org/basic-syntax/#reference-style-links) in markdown. Thanks go to Dominic and Furicle.
Eric mentioned MarkText (https://www.marktext.cc) and now the squirrels have Dan chasing that.
Leo tries settling on Vivaldi Notes (https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/tools/notes-manager/).
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The History of KDE
The email on October 14, 1996 to start it all. (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ)
KDE ONE (https://web.archive.org/web/20180613130417/http://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_One_(Developer_Meeting))
K Desktop Environment first real beta release (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0-beta1/).
Beta 1 Screenshots (https://web.archive.org/web/19980129135932/http://www.kde.org/kscreenshots.html)
KDE 1.0 was released on July 12, 1998 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/1.0/).
1998 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://linux-center.org/articles/9809/interview.html)
KFM turned into Konqueror (https://web.archive.org/web/20080723193818/http://konqueror.kde.org/faq#WheredoesthenameiKonqueroricomefrom).
Konqi (https://community.kde.org/Konqi)
KDE 2.0 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/2.0/)
KDE 2.1 (https://web.archive.org/web/20180613130417/https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-2.1.php)
In April of 2002, KDE 3.0 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/3.0/) was released.
2003 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6834)
2004 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://behindkde.org/matthias-ettrich-1)
KDE Community World Summit 2004 "aKademy" (https://conference2004.kde.org/).
2005 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://archive.fosdem.org/2005/2005/index/interviews/interviews_ettrich.html)
April 8, 2005 Kubuntu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu#/media/File:Kubuntu.5.04.KDE.png).
KDE 3.5 (https://kde.org/announcements/1-2-3/3.5/)
KDE Four Core Meeting (https://dot.kde.org/2006/06/26/kde-libs-hackers-meet-kde-four-core)
KDE 4 (https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.0/)
Oxygen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_Project)
2008 Interview of Matthias Ettrich (https://tfir.io/matthias-ettrich-creator-of-kde/)
KDE hit the 1,000,000 commit (https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-its-subversion-repository)
Starting from 4.3.4 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3.4.php), is a "software compilation".
November 2009, K Desktop Environment is just KDE (https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand), now.
Fork of KDE 3.5 becomes Trinity Desktop Environment (https://www.trinitydesktop.org/).
KDE SC 4.5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/4.5/).
October 2010, an official split from KOffice (https://lwn.net/Articles/419822/)
Plasma Active (https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-active-one/)
KDE Manifesto (https://manifesto.kde.org/index.html)
December 2012, a redesigned Konqi (http://tysontan.deviantart.com/art/Konqi-ver-2-494267237).
KDE release structure changed (https://dot.kde.org/2013/09/04/kde-release-structure-evolves).
KDE SC 4.14 (https://kde.org/announcements/4/4.14.0/) the last in the series.
Plasma 5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/) and Frameworks 5 (https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-frameworks-5.0.php)
2015 Wayland enters the room. (https://dot.kde.org/2015/12/18/first-plasma-wayland-live-image)
Plasma Mobile (https://dot.kde.org/2015/07/25/plasma-mobile-free-mobile-platform)
Plasma Bigscreen (https://plasma-bigscreen.org/)
KDE Neon (https://dot.kde.org/2016/01/30/fosdem-announcing-kde-neon)
Slimbook (https://dot.kde.org/2017/01/26/kde-and-slimbook-release-laptop-kde-fans)
KDE Plasma is chosen (https://www.steamdeck.com/en/tech) for the Steam Deck when in Desktop Mode!
The development and chat platforms move to Gitlab (https://about.gitlab.com/press/releases/2019-09-17-gitlab-adopted-by-KDE.html) and Matrix (https://community.kde.org/Matrix).
The first release candidate for Plasma 6 (https://kde.org/announcements/megarelease/6/rc1/)
Plasma 6's release date is planned for February 28th of 2024.
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Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Mate Desktop Environment (https://mate-desktop.org).
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Coming up in this episode
* The Linux Desktop is the best!
* There are humans on the other end of the Internet.
* We do some Browser spectating.
* Gentoo loses its mind.
0:00 Cold Open
1:43 Why Not Linux?
25:39 Browser Watch!
55:47 Reverb Focus
1:10:18 Community Focus: DB Tech
1:15:03 Gentoo Focus
1:24:26 Next Time: KDE History
1:26:31 Stinger
Watch the video version:
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So, why don't you use Linux?
The Mastodon post (https://theres.life/@arraybolt3/111681525443443676) that sparked our conversation.
It also got posted to Reddit and this was one reply (https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/s/v6zShddD3j) 🚨Warning NSFW language🚨
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Browser Watch
Firefox 120 came with some great new features (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/120.0/releasenotes/).
Firefox 121 got Wayland by default with a fallback to XWayland (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/121.0/releasenotes/)
Vivaldi 6.5 (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-desktop-6-5/) introduces the Sessions Panel, improved syncing, and improved notes.
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Reverb Focus
Ian
Don't forget about Enlightenment which had a recent release (http://www.enlightenment.org/news/2023-12-23-enlightenment-0.26.0).
Vidar
Big thanks for binging all the back episodes, we hope you stay tuned for more. We might make it to a BSD episode someday.
Zgembo121
Too many Gnome extensions is too much. Vanilla is the way.
Spacelem
Started with Gnome 2.4 then jumped to Cinnamon. Gnome is really different from other desktop environments.
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Community Focus - DB Tech (https://www.youtube.com/@DBTechYT)
DB Tech Links (https://dbt3.ch/@dbtech)
DB Tech Web Site (https://dbtechreviews.com/)
DB Tech YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@DBTechYT)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Gentoo Going Binary (https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html) Thanks Bikhu for the reminder
Next Time
We plan to explore and provide the history of KDE Plasma Desktop (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/).
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
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Coming up in this episode
* The Browser Watch Leftovers
* The History of GNOME
* And Why Gnome is the best desktop
* And a little holiday break
Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:29 Riding the Lightning
16:45 GNOME History: Pre-GNOME
23:01 GNOME History: GNOME 1.x
25:58 GNOME History: GNOME 2.x
33:22 GNOME History: GNOME 3.x
41:31 GNOME History: GNOME 40 and Beyond
48:01 How'd GNOME Go?
1:15:39 Next Time: Topics & KDE
1:26:18 Stinger
Watch the Video!
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Mini Browser Watch
October 30, Mozilla announces the nightly Deb packages (https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2023/10/30/introducing-mozillas-firefox-nightly-deb-packages-for-debian-based-linux-distributions/)
November 30, Mozilla announces the developer and beta Deb packages (https://hacks.mozilla.org/2023/11/firefox-developer-edition-and-beta-try-out-mozillas-deb-package/)
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The History of Gnome
The email in 1997 to start it all (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/1997-August/msg00123.html)
Development snapshot 0.13 announcement (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/1998-March/msg00002.html)
GNOME 1.0 release (https://foundation.gnome.org/1999/03/03/gnome-1-0-released/)
GUADEC (https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC)
GNOME OG website (https://web.archive.org/web/20000407082920/http://www.gnome.org/)
GNOME revamped website (https://web.archive.org/web/20000621134911/http://www.gnome.org/)
HP's HP/UX and Sun's Solaris announce they would be using GNOME (https://www.computerworld.com/article/2596398/unix-vendors-adopt-gnome-desktop.html) as their default desktops.
GNOME Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation)
GNOME 2.0 release (https://foundation.gnome.org/2002/06/26/gnome-2-0-released-desktop-environment-boasts-simpler-user-interface-and-a-host-of-powerful-developer-tools/)
Ubuntu 4.10 ships GNOME 2.8 (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000003.html)
GNOME no longer part of GNU (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2009-December/msg00055.html)
GNOME was no longer an acronym. (https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2010-April/msg00050.html)
Gnome 3.0 arrives (https://foundation.gnome.org/2011/04/06/gnome-3-0-has-arrived/)
Linus Torvalds noted (https://digitizor.com/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/)
Linus Torvalds, originally critical, returned to using GNOME for his day to day work, but noted that (https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-switches-back-to-gnome-3-x-desktop/)
Groupon, the couponing company, decided that they would make a tablet and name it... GNOME (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/s/groupon-gnome-legal-war-almost-080504914.html).
Again, the target of litigation (https://www.zdnet.com/article/leave-gnome-alone-this-patent-troll-is-asking-for-trouble/)
Rothschild Patent Imaging was stripped of its patent rights (https://blog.opensource.org/gnome-patent-troll-stripped-of-patent-rights/)
Gnome 40 (https://forty.gnome.org/)
The Gnome 40 announcement (https://foundation.gnome.org/2021/03/24/gnome-40-release/)
The Gnome 45 announcement (https://foundation.gnome.org/2023/09/20/introducing-gnome-45/)
Original GNOME introduction (https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3139) (~99)
The Evolution of the GNOME Project (http://turingmachine.org/files/papers/dmg_wosse2002add.pdf)
Using GNOME gmc (https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=131217&seqNum=12) (GNOME Midnight Commander)
"A Brief History of GNOME" Presentation Notes (https://blogs.gnome.org/jrb/files/2017/07/A-Brief-History-of-GNOME-1.pdf)
"A Brief History of GNOME" Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUmptI6O2w)
GNOME 2.0 - 40 Release Notes (https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/)
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Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the KDE Plasma Desktop Environment (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/).
We are taking a mini-holiday 🎄 pause, we will see you in the new year. ☃️ We wish you a happy holiday season! ❄️
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Coming up in this episode
* Leo makes me a LUSsh 🍻
* Official standings for a browser
* We strum some reverberations
* Focus on the HQ
* Focus on the sounds
* Forecast the future
Watch the video!
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Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
2:05 Go to lus.sh
8:38 Fed Up with Ubuntu?
14:20 * Forced Snaps
21:24 * Ads in the Terminal
27:00 * Telemetry?!
29:42 * Ubuntu is Anti-Freedom?
32:21 * Maybe use Linux Mint
34:43 Browser Watch
34:57 * The Vivaldi Flatpak
39:49 * Vivaldi on iOS
42:54 * iOS May Go WebKit Free
47:53 Reverb Focus
48:05 * Ian
53:13 * Dan!
58:26 * TeamLinux01
1:03:16 Community Focus: SteamDeckHQ
1:10:54 Gentoo Focus #5
1:23:46 Next Time: Gnome History
1:26:54 Stinger
lus.sh (http://lus.sh)
.sh is a common Shell Script file extension
.sh is the first two letters in "show" like its bigger domain name brother
.sh is also the first two letters in "short"
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Why Do We Still Use Ubuntu?
TLDR we(Leo and Dan) don't mind some of the choices Ubuntu has made but we can appreciate that there are good alternatives for those that want to go a different way.
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Browser Watch!
Vivaldi on Flatpak is Officially Unofficial
Vivaldi Flatpak on Flathub (https://flathub.org/apps/com.vivaldi.Vivaldi)
OMGUbuntu coverage (https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/11/vivaldi-web-browser-flathub)
Vivaldi is also on iOS
Vivaldi is on iOS (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-launches-on-ios/)
It has great features (https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-on-ios-6-4/)
The Chromium devs are developing a Blink version for iOS (https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/04/google-working-on-browser-that-would-break-rules/)
Firefox devs are developing a Gecko version for iOS (https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/07/mozilla-developing-non-webkit-version-of-firefox/)
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Reverb Focus
Ian comments on YouTube about Ed
You can see the comments on this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUCuzkKGHos)
Dan commented about Xfce history, Manjaro and KDE Plasma
You can watch our Xfce history on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyI3pMqjQvo) Or TILvids (https://tilvids.com/w/6gFtNH1XywyFNd3heKHFro)
TeamLinux01 wants to hear about Valve's Linux journey
Thanks for the feedback. I think this might just be the push we needed to look into the history of Steam and Linux. We're both big fans so it makes sense.
Community Focus - Steamdeck HQ (https://steamdeckhq.com/)
Main Website - Steamdeck HQ (https://steamdeckhq.com/)
Steamdeck HQ YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCI49gT5yWGP7fLn2ql-DlgA)
Steamdeck HQ on Mastodon (https://mastodon.world/@steamdeckhq)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Next Time
We plan to explore and provide the history of Gnome Desktop Environment (https://www.gnome.org/).
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Coming up in this episode
* A little Musing on CDE
* A few answers from the man himself
* The history of XFce
* How it went
* And a new journey
0:00 Cold Open
1:29 Ask Olivier
20:04 Xfce History: In the Beginning (1996)
22:08 Enter XFce (1997)
24:47 The XForms Problem (1998)
25:56 The Third (1999)
29:32 The Fourth (2001-2015)
32:59 The Third, Again (2016-2023)
36:22 More Questions!
45:50 How'd Xfce Go?
1:02:25 Next Time
1:09:45 Stinger
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The History of Xfce
Olivier Fourdan posted a question (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1997/0218.html) to a few newsgroups that got things started.
XForms toolkit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XForms_(toolkit))
An early release announcement - 2.3.0 (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/0110-a.html)
Changelog for 2.4.0 (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/0317-b.txt) which shows changes all the way back to the beginning.
XFce 2.4 User Guide (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/xfce-2.4/en/index.html)
XFce 3.2 User Guide (https://www.linux.co.cr/desktops/review/1999/xfce-3.2/help.html)
2000 Interview - 10 Questions with Olivier Fourdan (https://web.archive.org/web/20001017144724/http://www.linuxorbit.com/features/interview1.php3)
2001 Interview (https://web.archive.org/web/20010603075344/http://www.moongroup.com/stories.php?story=01/05/01/0821338)
XFce 4.0 announcement September 25th 2003 (https://web.archive.org/web/20031002123938/http://www.xfce.org/en/press_release_en.html)
xfce goes all lowercase (https://web.archive.org/web/20040607035013/http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=news&lang=en)
2007 Interview (https://web.archive.org/web/20070116201506/http://linuxgazette.net/issue43/jacobowitz.xfce.html)
2009 Linux Journal Interview (https://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/xfce-third-man)
2009 Slashgear Interview (https://www.slashgear.com/xfce-creator-talks-linux-moblin-netbooks-and-open-source-0633329/)
2017 Interview with Sean Davis (https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/interview-xfce.html)
Xfce 4.4 - 4.18 (https://xfce.org/about/news)
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Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Gnome Desktop Environment (https://www.gnome.org/).
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Coming up in this episode
* Buntober?
* We Keep the IPs safe
* Cryptic greetings
* Some feedback
* and we get double focused
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407 Audio Timestamps
0:00 Cold Open
1:48 Ubuntu Attacks!
17:20 Google Protection?
31:36 Encrypted Client Hello
46:33 Reverb
1:17:15 Gentoo Focus
1:26:42 Stinger
We're both on Ubuntu 23.10.... WHAT?!
Ubuntu Desktop (https://ubuntu.com/desktop)
Ubuntu Flavors (https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours)
23.10 Release Announcement (https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-23-10-mantic-minotaur-released/39495)
Leo is all aboard on the Wayland hotness on the main Ubuntu desktop and Dan is trying out Xubuntu to pair with our Xfce journey.
Announcements
This program was made possible by:
* 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace)
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* And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍
Google is protecting our IPs
Google Chrome's IP Protection (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-chromes-new-ip-protection-will-hide-users-ip-addresses/)
More Announcements
Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum)
Cryptic Greetings
Encrypted Client Hello (https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/encrypted-hello/)
HTTPS - RFC 2818 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2818)
Server Name Indication (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3546)
Firefox 119 release notes (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/119.0/releasenotes/)
Housekeeping
Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.
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Reverb Focus
Stewie on the Gentoo Checkin in episode 405
A decent overview about Swap Space (https://phoenixnap.com/kb/swap-space)
Dominic on Telegram
Why does everything look like Windows? Windows, Icons, Menus and Panels aka WIMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIMP_(computing)) is popular and familiar.
Nate on Telegram
Nate is running Plasma (https://kde.org/plasma-desktop/) in a Wayland session (https://wayland.freedesktop.org/) on openSUSE Tumbleweed (https://get.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/) on his Framework Laptop (https://frame.work/) with success.
John A. on Lemmy
John recommends keeping our Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) instance limited to Patrons (https://www.patreon.com/linuxuserspace).
Community Focus - Craft Computing
Craft Computing YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@CraftComputing)
Craft Computing Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/CraftComputing)
Craft Computing on X (https://twitter.com/CraftComputing)
Craft Computing subreddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/CraftComputing/)
Gentoo Focus
Last time on LUS Streaming Live (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkyVxGRY9XYDGw82_Sg8Z9HL_X4fI9_r1)
FYI we do these live on Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) the day after an episode is released.
Next Time
We plan to explore and provide the history of XFCE (https://xfce.org).
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.
We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!
Producer
Bruno
Dave
John
Johnny
Co-Producer
Tim
Super User
A.J.
Advait
CubicleNate
Eduardo S.
Hausken
Jill and Steve
Larry
LiNuXsys666
Livet
Musical Coder
Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias -
Coming up in this episode
* We do a little upgrade
* Firefox fixes a tooltip
* The History of W, V, X and CDE
* How it went
* And a new old desktop to explore
0:00 Cold Open
1:42 Lemmy's Upgraded!
10:56 A 22 Year Old Bug
15:50 Install Firefox Correctly
22:22 CDE History: Intro
24:04 CDE History: X
27:33 CDE History: OPEN LOOK
29:25 CDE History: COSE
31:28 CDE History: CDE & Others
34:24 CDE History: The Opening
36:14 CDE History: The Releases
43:02 How'd CDE Go?
1:16:00 Next Time
1:21:29 Stinger
Watch the video! (https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q)
https://youtu.be/-tycNQ-Ey9Q
Banter
The LUS Lemmy instance (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) got an update (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/releases/tag/1.2.0).
The ansible repo switched to tagged releases. There were ⚠️breaking changes⚠️ that needed to be prepared for (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/blob/main/README.md#upgrading).
One of the issues Dan had is likely fixed now. (https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible/commit/300a261b2a346dd6489f5eb43d6af632633f4059)
The Bug (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/22-year-old-firefox-tooltip-bug-fixed-in-a-few-lines-offering-hope-to-us-all/) that's old enough to drink and drive, but hopefully not at the same time!
Dan installed Firefox (https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-from-mozilla-builds) from the .tar.gz download.
Spoiler - it updates just fine because my user is the owner in the /opt directory.
Announcements
This program was made possible by:
* The letters W, V, X, C, D and E
* 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace)
* 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace)
* And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍
The History of The Common Desktop Environment (CDE) (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/)
The Andrew Project (https://web.archive.org/web/20120717074939/http://www.cmu.edu/corporate/news/2007/features/andrew/what_is_andrew.shtml)
W was a windowing system that was originally written for the V operating system (https://web.archive.org/web/20040522163027/http://eia.udg.es/~teo/sd/documents/articles/p314-cheriton.pdf).
In 1984, Robert Scheifler wrote (https://www.talisman.org/x-debut.shtml).
X is our “reaction” to W (https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/22949.24053)
Ultrix Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix_Window_Manager), or uwm
Tom's Window Manager, which eventually became Tab Window Manager (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm), or twm
Open Look Specification (https://archive.org/details/openlookgraphica00sunm)
The OSF narrows the search for a User Interface (https://books.google.com/books?id=szsEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=open%20look&f=false).
HP (https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Company-Publications/HP-Journal/90s/HPJ-1990-06.pdf) and Microsoft's CXI and DEC's XUI to create the HP OSF/Motif Window Manager.
Sun went on to build OpenWindows (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWindows), which was X with OPEN LOOK on top to replace SunView (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunView).
COSE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Open_Software_Environment)
In 1994, The OSF and Unix International, a body meant to standardize UNIX, merged (https://groups.google.com/g/comp.unix.osf.misc/c/Q2uTrTvB8bY/m/8SMI8V-JvE4J), and in 96, merged again (https://www.tech-insider.org/unix/research/1996/0214.html) with X/Open into The Open Group.
Motif and CDE became one (https://groups.google.com/g/cu.motif-talk/c/xMQ-2cBi9bU/m/_VTikcvANZkJ)
KDE enters the scene (https://groups.google.com/g/de.comp.os.linux.misc/c/SDbiV3Iat_s/m/zv_D_2ctS8sJ).
May of 2000 when Motif was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20131003125200/https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.windows.x.announce/K2LrU6QusnA/5fRzz-NBIrAJ) as OpenMotif.
LessTif, because Less is Mo, published an initial statement (https://web.archive.org/web/20000619030034/http://www.lesstif.org/future.html)
August 6th, 2012, CDE was relicensed (https://web.archive.org/web/20121124230739/http://devio.us/~kpedersen/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1293) under the LGPL and was available on SourceForge, where it still lives today.
After opening it up, 2.2.1 was released on March 1st, 2014 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/32043063/).
The final release, at least as of this recording, 2.5.1 (https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/mailman/message/37715846/), dropped in October of 2022.
More Announcements
Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, [email protected] OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum)
Housekeeping
Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord.
* 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show)
* 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit)
* ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord)
* 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram)
* ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix)
* 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch)
* 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon)
* 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter)
* 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids)
Next Time
Some topics and feedback. Our next history exploration is the Xfce Desktop Environment (https://xfce.org/)
Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space
Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show.
We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support!
Producer
Bruno
Dave
John
Johnny
Co-Producer
Tim
Super User
A.J.
Advait
CubicleNate
Eduardo S.
Hausken
Jill and Steve
Larry
LiNuXsys666
Livet
Musical Coder
Nicholas
Nick
sleepyeyesvince
The Saigoneer
Tobias - Näytä enemmän
