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Today, Hunter was joined Claire Valentin and Hayley Upshaw to discuss how the intersection of criminal and immigration law impacts kids. So far on the show, Hunter and various guests have explored the “Crimmigration” intersection as it pertains to adults. Now, Hunter, Hayley, and Claire unpack the ways this already cruel system is especially cruel for kid.
Guest
Hayley Upshaw, Deputy Public Defender, San Francisco Public Defender Officer
Claire Valentin, Managing Director of Innovation and Advocacy, Children’s Law Center of Massachusetts
Resources:
US Citizen Picked Up By ICE
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/20/us-citizen-jose-hermosillo-border-patrol
https://news.azpm.org/p/azpmnews/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/
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Today, Hunter was joined by Ali Saidi, Deputy Public Defender in Contra Costa County, California. On this episode, Hunter and Ali discuss how Public Defenders can have a larger impact in immigration defense by bringing the services to the communities who need them the most.
Guest
Ali Saidi, Deputy Public Defender, Contra Costa County, California
Resources:
Contra Costa County Public Defender
https://www.cocopublicdefenders.org/
https://www.facebook.com/ContraCostaPublicDefender/
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Angla Chan of the San Francisco Public Defender Officer. This time, the two say down to discuss the history of sanctuary laws in California, why they are so important, and reflect on the reasons why people leave their home countries in the first place.
Guest
Angela Chan, Chief of Confront and Advocate, San Francisco Public Defender's Office
Resources:
Gov. Newsom's history with ordering juvenile probation in SF to turn youth over to ICE when he was SF Mayor in 2008. His "regret" over his prior actions in 2018 when he was running for governor.
stories of Southeast Asian refugees who were incarcerated firefighters who CDCR turned over to ICE.
SF Public Defender Office
https://sfpublicdefender.org/
https://www.facebook.com/sfpublicdefender
https://x.com/sfdefender
https://www.instagram.com/sfpublicdefender/
https://bsky.app/profile/sfpublicdefender.sf.gov
American Interventionism
https://www.amazon.com/Jakarta-Method-Washingtons-Anticommunist-Crusade/dp/1541742400
Guatemala
https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/jacobo-arbenz-guzman-deposed/
https://hmh.org/library/research/genocide-in-guatemala-guide/
https://cja.org/what-we-do/litigation/the-guatemala-genocide-case/
Laos
https://www.history.com/articles/laos-most-bombed-country-vietnam-war
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/apr/27/i-dont-want-more-children-to-suffer-what-i-did-the-50-year-fight-to-clear-us-bombs-from-laos
https://www.mnvietnam.org/story/the-cia-the-hmong-and-the-secret-war/index.html https://winwithoutwar.org/secret-war-forgotten-war-the-u-s-bombing-of-laos/
Cambodia
https://www.history.com/articles/nixon-war-powers-act-vietnam-war-cambodia
https://macmillan.yale.edu/gsp/us-involvement-cambodian-war-and-genocide-0
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by the Chief Public Defender of Delaware, Kevin O’Connell. This time, the two focused on the see-saw history of death penalty abolition in the state of Delaware. It may come as a surprise to many, but Delaware has historically been one of the most prolific death penalty states in America, and today, Kevin and Hunter discuss the politics and policies that kept the death penalty alive and thriving in the state. Finally, they discuss what lessons those interested in death penalty abolition can learn from the meandering path that Delaware took to get on the door step of a Constitutional ban on the practice.
Guest
Kevin O’Connell, Chief Public Defender, Defender Services of Delaware
Resources:
More on the Death Penalty in Delaware
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/delaware-officially-removes-death-penalty-from-state-statutes-eight-years-after-state-supreme-court-finds-it-unconstitutional
https://deathpenalty.org/delaware-officially-repeals-its-death-penalty/
https://www.aclu-de.org/en/death-penalty-repeal
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Today, Hunter was by the Public Defender for the state of Idaho, Eric Fredericksen. Over the past two years, Public Defense in Idaho underwent a massive overhaul. For decades, the state has operated a county-based system that functioned with serious justice by geography problems, but with pressure from ACLU lawsuits, the state needed to change. So, they finally made the decision to transition to a state wide, state funded system. The transition, however, has been anything but smooth. Eric and Hunter discuss that transition, and why Eric is optimistic about the future given the strong support from the legislature and Governor in this first budget cycle.
Guest
Eric Fredericksen, The State Public Defender, Idaho
Resources:
Idaho Public Defender Reports
Idaho Public Defense Workload Study
https://www.boisestate.edu/sps-ipi/our-research/idaho-public-defense-workload-study/
News about the Transition
https://isb.idaho.gov/blog/the-state-public-defender-act-continuing-the-journey-of-public-defense-in-idaho-by-jordan-s-crane/
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/10/15/concerns-raised-about-idahos-new-public-defense-system-after-exodus-in-public-defenders/
https://blog.idahoreports.idahoptv.org/2024/09/16/public-defense-changeover-raises-concerns-for-some/
https://gov.idaho.gov/pressrelease/eric-fredericksen-to-lead-new-office-of-the-state-public-defender/
https://www.mtexpress.com/news/blaine_county/public-defense-transition-gets-off-to-rocky-start/article_1ac2a83a-8cc2-11ef-9f78-6ffe80dd4216.html
https://blog.idahoreports.idahoptv.org/2024/10/23/judge-demands-answers-from-idaho-state-public-defender-after-defendants-left-without-counsel/
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article297887643.html
https://dailymontanan.com/2025/01/06/headed-for-a-disaster-aclu-asks-idaho-supreme-court-to-order-public-defense-system-reform/
News About Death Penalty in Idaho
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/idaho-governor-signs-legislation-authorizing-firing-squad-as-states-primary-execution-method
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2025/03/17/idaho-house-unanimously-passes-child-sex-abuse-death-penalty-bill/
https://gov.idaho.gov/pressrelease/gov-littles-statement-on-death-penalty-for-pedophiles/
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Today, Hunter was joined by Hans Menos and Robe Kenter of the Center for Policing Equity. They sat down to discuss the successes their organization has had in trying create a more equitable legal system and understanding of how we can create safer communities.
Guest
Hans Menos, VP Public Safety Innovations and Government Affairs, Center for Policing Equity
Rob Kenter, Senior Director of Public Safety, Center for Policing
Resources:
Center for Policing Equity
https://policingequity.org/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=10276392455&gbraid=0AAAAACb2uw87ItPJ0G_93Si8AzxlC0WCD&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0qTCBhCmARIsAAj8C4ahIXfE1Rgj97RXl4rAs8f-QmLZ_fXFRtYpQ7oS9UjSONAw-5XNlXYaAoBgEALw_wcB
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https://www.linkedin.com/company/centerforpolicingequity/
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Today, Hunter was joined by two San Francisco Public Defenders, Sujung Kim and Lilah Wolf, to discuss their recent Racial Justice Act Victory. This California law was designed in part to give public defenders the tools to get explicit and implicit racism out of the criminal legal system. Today, we discussed how it came to be, why it needs to be in place, and how public defenders in California and around the country could be using it.
Guest
Sujung Kim, Deputy Public Defender, San Francisco, California
Lilah Wolf, Deputy Public Defender, San Francisco, California
Resources:
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Exhibits from the Trial
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Qd5HC8wB7HuV_xoh6fHLQwRMmybJWShD?usp=sharing
Read More About the Case
https://sfpublicdefender.org/news/2025/03/10462/
https://davisvanguard.org/2025/03/san-francisco-public-defenders-win-landmark-racial-justice-act-case/
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Today, Hunter was joined by two former police officers turned defense witness experts. Christina Sally and Chris Bertram joined the show to discuss their insights into the many ways in which police officers mess up the investigations into claims of child sexual assault cases.
Guest
Christina Sally PhD, Consultant, Defense Expert Witness, Retired Law Enforcement Officer
Chris Bertram, Retired Chief of Police, Associate Professor, Defense Expert Witness
Resources:
Email Christina
https://www.drchristinasallyphd.com/
Email Chris
https://www.tbertramgroup.com/team.php
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Los Angeles County Chief Public Defender Ricardo Garcia. This time, they discuss how the new LA County DA is trying to bring back the death penalty and the impact of Prop 36 and the Los Angeles Wildfires on Public Defenders and their clients.
Guest
Ricardo Garcia, The Public Defender of Los Angeles County, California
Resources:
Contact the LA County Public Defender
https://pubdef.lacounty.gov/
https://www.instagram.com/lapubdef/
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LA DA Brings Back Death Penalty
https://lacounty.gov/2025/03/25/los-angeles-public-defender-denounces-the-district-attorneys-decision-to-revive-the-death-penalty/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/26/los-angeles-da-death-penalty
Prop 36
https://lao.ca.gov/handouts/crimjust/2025/Fiscal-Impacts-of-Proposition-36-022525.pdf
https://www.ppic.org/blog/early-implementation-of-prop-36-varies-widely-across-counties/
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Today, Hunter was joined once again Elisabeth Pollock and for the first time Stephanie Kollmann. On today’s episode, the three discuss the Fair Act in Illinois. This pending piece of legislation is set to be the first step for the state of Illinois to provide statewide support to Public Defense. Will it happen? Why is it necessary? All that and more on today’s episode.
Guest
Elisabeth Pollock, Chief Public Defender, Champagne County, Illinois
Stephanie Kollmann, Policy Director, Children Family Justice Center, Northwestern University School of Law
Resources:
Sixth Amendment Center Illinois
https://6ac.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/6AC_illinois_report_2021.pdf
Task Force Report
https://www.illinoiscourts.gov/News/1378/Court-shining-light-on-the-need-for-indigent-defense-reform/news-detail/
Fair Act
https://fairactil.org/
https://ilpublicdefenderstats.org/fairact/
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https://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/cfjc/aboutus/
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by the Chief Public Defender for South Carolina’s 9th Circuit, Cameron Blazer. This time, we discuss workload issues in her Circuit and how a new bail laws and immigration enforcement are making matters worse.
Guest
Cameron Blazer, Circuit Public Defender, 9th Circuit, Charleston and Berkley, South Carolina
Resources:
Email Cameron Here
SCCID
https://sccid.sc.gov/
Bond Laws
https://www.postandcourier.com/news/special_reports/bond-reform-law-one-year-impact-south-carolina-violent-crime/article_c1b6a062-3220-11ef-b36b-178c43f76495.html
https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess125_2023-2024/bills/3532.htm
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Today, Hunter was joined by Professor Andrew Crespo to continue the conversation about how we can improve how criminal law is taught. On this episode, we dive into the new criminal law text book that Andrew and his co-author, John Rappaport, recently published to learn a better way to teach criminal law.
Guest
Andrew Crespo, Professor of Law, Morris Wasserstein Public Interest Professor of Law Executive Faculty Director, Institute to End Mass Incarceration, Harvard University
Resources:
Andrew’s Faculty Page
https://hls.harvard.edu/faculty/andrew-m-crespo/
Andrew and John’s Book
https://aspenpublishing.com/products/crespo-criminallawamericanpenalsys?srsltid=AfmBOoqnaBc-2_PBCEJcaHFiEERzwgSJJwMWFPTXMtAl3xkWozObifci
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Today, Hunter was joined by Professor Alice Ristroph for the first of a two-part focus on how and why we teach Criminal Law the way we do. On today’s episode, Hunter and Alice explore the historical roots of criminal law teaching, critique it, and discuss ways in which we can improve how criminal law is taught to law students.
Guest
Alice Ristroph, Professor of Law, Brooklyn Law School
Resources:
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Mano Raju, the Elected Chief Public Defender in San Francisco. In the past couple of weeks, Mano made the difficult decision to stop accepting new case assignments one day a week. Thanks to the tough on crime policies of DA Brooke Jenkins and Prop 36, the workloads for San Francisco Public Defenders have reach unsustainable numbers. How did we get here, what comes next, and will this be a harbinger of things to come in California? All that and more on today’s episode.
Guest
Mano Raju, Chief Public Defender, San Francisco, California
Resources:
Coverage of the Office
https://sfstandard.com/2025/05/09/public-defender-fentanyl-san-francisco-lurie/
https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/sf-public-defender-caseload-20329216.php
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Pictures of Beans
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Today, Hunter was joined by Bob Kolstad, Maggie Bott, and Olivia Henstein to discuss why they are pushing Minnesota Public Defenders to create a new, independent union. In the past few years, the current union, organize under Teamsters, was able to secure massive salary raises for Public Defenders around the state. However, that strike threat was built without much help or support from the leadership of the Teamster’s union. As a result, rank and file members, public defenders and the staff of the offices, are considering starting their own public defender lead union.
Guest
Bob Kolstad, Public Defender, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Maggie Bott, Public Defender, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Olivia Henstein, Paralegal, Hennepin County, Minnesota
Resources:
Check out UDAM Here
https://uniteddefenseadvocatesminnesota.org/
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Today, Hunter was joined by longtime Louisiana Criminal Defense Lawyer and President of the Louisiana Association of Criminal Defense Lawyer, Jim Boren. Over the past year, Hunter has discussed the erosion of public defender independence since Remy Starns became the chief public defender of the state. Now, Remy Starns is slated to fire five chief public defenders from around the state who opposed some of the policies that consolidated power into his hands. Today’s episode is all about how this has happened and what the criminal defense bat should do in response.
Guest
Jim Boren, President, Louisiana Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers
Resources:
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Coverage of the Firings
https://lailluminator.com/2025/05/09/louisiana-lawmakers-deny-state-public-defenders-power-grab-again/
https://lailluminator.com/2025/04/08/louisiana-bill-might-thwart-local-public-defenders-fighting-to-keep-their-jobs/
https://www.nola.com/news/courts/5-louisiana-chief-public-defenders-to-lose-their-jobs/article_09b183a6-011e-11f0-9b21-3746a0d291e9.html
https://www.richlandtoday.com/article/459,public-defenders-defend-themselves-against-firings
https://www.kalb.com/2025/03/20/louisiana-public-defenders-accuse-state-official-violating-their-free-speech/
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Today, Hunter was joined by a whole host of characters from the Missouri Public Defender System. When Hunter last looked into Missouri Public Defense, he spoke with Annie Legomsky to discuss the remarkable project of implementing Holistic Defense statewide. As one of the only statewide systems with holistic defense, Missouri stands as a great example of how finding creative sources of funding can allow Public Defenders to demonstrate to legislators the potential Public Defense has to improve the community once it has the funding to work outside of the four corners of the court room.
Guest
Mary Fox, Chief Public Defender, Missouri
Kellie Duckering, District Defender, Carthage, Missouri
Camille Iorio, Disposition Specialist, Child Defense Team, St. Louis, Missouri
Ben Greene, Mitigation Specialist, Springfield, Missouri
Mae Redmond, Client Advocate, Partners for Justice
Mikayla Kitchen, Holistic Advocate, Missouri
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Listen to My Episode w/Annie Here
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Today, Hunter was joined once again by Anthony Benedetti, Chief Counsel of the Massachusetts Committee for Public Counsel Services. This time, Hunter and Anthony dive into what can be done about the low hourly rates for CPCS’s contract counsel and how recent courage from the bench and the state house gives them hope that those pay increases are in fact possible.
Guest
Anthony Benedetti, Chief Counsel, Massachusetts Committee for Public Counsel Services
Resources:
CPCS Website
https://www.publiccounsel.net/
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Today, Hunter was joined by Ivery Dorsey, a man who for the last 18 years was incarcerated for a homicide he did not commit. On a previous episode on the show, Hunter spoke with one of the students, Kerrie Liang, who have been fighting to prove Ivery’s innocence, but today, Ivery joins the show to tell his story. From the representation he received, the conditions of his confinement, and how he hopes to pursue his dreams of shoe design and music production, Ivery's hope for a better future is contagious.
Guest
Ivery Dorsey, Musician, Shoe Designer, and Formerly Wrongfully Incarcerated
Resources:
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https://www.instagram.com/bringiveryhome/
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https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/02/princeton-news-broadfocus-making-an-exoneree-course-frees-third-person-ivery-dorsey
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Today, Hunter spoke with Harris County, Texas Chief Public Defender Alex Bunin. Just over a decade ago, Public Defense in Harris County looked like it did in most of the state. A group of private defense counsel contracted with the county to provide Public Defense. Unfortunately, Harris County was not spared of the many, well documented issues, with a primarily privately contracted public defense system. Then the county established the Public Defender Office, and since then, Alex and his team have gradually started taking on more cases and expanding the definition of what Public Defense is.
Guest
Alex Bunin, Chief Public Defender, Harris County, Texas
Resources:
Harris County Public Defender Website
https://hcpdo.org/
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