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This podcast was recorded on 22 July 2024 as the fifth session in CLIâs Legal GenAI Around the World Series.
In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with three amazing panellists from Africa and the Middle East:
Peter Hall, Chief Operating Officer, Cognia Law Leah Molatseli, Founder, Contract Alchemists Katie Whang, Legal Counsel, Johnson & JohnsonTopics covered included:
An overview of legal AI in Africa and the Middle East How, where and why GenAI is being used in legal businesses, whatâs driving/limiting adoption, and the importance of metrics The focus on education, capability development, and access to talent to deliver legal GenAI solutions The changing role of tech providers and how that is impacting adoption and implementation The focus on country/region wide AI strategy, regulations, standards and policies and how this is/is not/should not be influenced by global initiatives Whatâs unique about the legal GenAI market in Africa + the Middle EastIf you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
Please join CLIâs free Legal GenAI Global Community for a lightly curated newsfeed on how legal GenAI is transforming the legal ecosystem.
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In this session, we spoke with Colin Lachance, the Innovator in Residence at the Ontario Bar Association (OBA) and the Principal of law firm coaching and consulting business, PGYA Consulting.
Colin has spent most of his career in the legal industry. Heâs worked in publishing, consulting, and legaltech development just to name a few. In all that he has done, and itâs a lot, thereâs been a consistent theme â heâs comfortable with challenging the status quo and doing things differently.
Heâs been named one of the âTop 25 Most Influential Lawyersâ by Canadian Lawyer Magazine, a âLegal Rebelâ by the ABA Journal and is a member of the Fastcase 50 class of legal innovators and visionaries.
Colinâs amazing background both qualifies and recommends him for his role as Innovator in Residence at the OBA. Itâs a unique role for legal member organisations. It was launched in 2018. Each innovator is appointed for 12 months and pursues a different focus area, always with a change agenda.
Colinâs focus area could not be more topicalâŠitâs legal AI. His action plan is ambitious, critical, timely and compelling. It comprises a multi-pronged approach to supporting the digital literacy of OBAâs members at scale. His work will impact the 16,000 lawyers OBA represents and influence many, many more. It includes tech demos, weekly information sessions, establishing an interactive learning platform andâŠhe is just getting started!
We spoke about all of this as well as the global and local context that led to Colinâs appointment i.e., how GenAI has become an enabler for significant change in the legal world; how the pace, depth and breadth of that change is reinventing legal practice; and how it is incumbent on us all to embrace that change.
Donât miss this spotlight, itâs going to excite and inspire you!
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This podcast was recorded on 18 June 2024 as the fourth session in CLIâs Legal GenAI Around the World Series.
In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with four amazing panellists from Europe and the UK:
Giulio Coraggio, Partner â Location Head of Italian Intellectual Property and Technology Department, DLA Piper Uwais Iqbal, Founder, simplexico Tanja Podinic, Global Legal Gen AI Lead, PwC Tara Waters, Partner & Chief Digital Officer, AshurstTopics covered included:
How, where and why GenAI is being used in legal businesses and whatâs driving/limiting adoption LLMs, the impact of RAGs, and the case for/against the decision to build or buy What capabilities are needed to deliver legal GenAI solutions today, tomorrow, and how to bridge the gaps Whatâs unique about the legal GenAI market in Europe + UK How legal GenAI is likely to evolve in 2024If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
Please join CLIâs free Legal GenAI Global Community for a lightly curated newsfeed on how legal GenAI is transforming the legal ecosystem.
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This podcast was recorded on 29 May 2024 as the third session in CLIâs Legal GenAI Around the World Series.
In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with three amazing panellists from the USA:
Wendy Butler Curtis, Chief Innovation Officer and Chair eDiscovery & Information Governance Group, Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP Nikki Shaver, CEO and Co-Founder, LegalTechnology Hub Horace Wu, Founder and CEO, Syntheia Pty LtdTopics covered included:
How, where and why GenAI is being used in legal businesses and whatâs driving/limiting adoption LLMs, the impact of RAGs, and the case for/against the decision to build or buy What capabilities are needed to deliver legal GenAI solutions today, tomorrow, and how to bridge the gaps Whatâs unique about the legal GenAI market in the USA How legal GenAI is likely to evolve in 2024If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
Please join CLIâs free Legal GenAI Global Community for a lightly curated newsfeed on how legal GenAI is transforming the legal ecosystem.
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This podcast was recorded on 15 April 2024 as the second session in CLIâs Legal GenAI Around the World Series.
In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with three amazing panellists from India, Hong Kong and Singapore:
Komal Gupta, Chief Innovation Officer, Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas (India) Sebastian Ko, General Counsel, DFX Labs (Hong Kong) Rajesh Sreenivasan, Head, Technology Media and Telecoms Practice, Rajah & Tann Singapore LLP; Co-Founder and Director, Rajah & Tann Technologies Pte Ltd and Rajah & Tann Cybersecurity Pte Ltd and CLI Advisory Board Member (Singapore)Topics covered included:
How, where and why GenAI is being used in legal businesses and whatâs driving/limiting adoption LLMs, the impact of RAGs, and the case for/against the decision to build or buy What capabilities are needed to deliver legal GenAI solutions today, tomorrow, and how to bridge the gaps Whatâs unique about the legal GenAI market in Hong Kong, India and SingaporeIf you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
Please join CLIâs free Legal GenAI Global Community for a lightly curated newsfeed on how legal GenAI is transforming the legal ecosystem.
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This podcast was recorded on 12 March 2024 as the inaugural session in CLIâs Legal GenAI Around the World Series.
In this session Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation facilitated a discussion with three amazing panellists from Australia + New Zealand:
Matt Farrington, Senior Legal Counsel, Vice Chancellorâs Office, Victoria University of Wellington Caryn Sandler, Partner + Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer, Gilbert + Tobin and Co-Chair, CLI Advisory Board Dominic Woolrych, Co-founder & CEO, LawpathTopics covered included:
How, where and why GenAI is being used in legal businesses and whatâs driving the uptake LLMs, RAGs, hallucination and whether to build or buy What capabilities are needed to deliver legal GenAI solutions and the impact on legal businesses Whatâs unique about the legal GenAI market in Australia and New Zealand How legal GenAI is likely to evolve in 2024If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
Please join CLIâs free Legal GenAI Global Community for a lightly curated newsfeed on how legal GenAI is transforming the legal ecosystem.
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This session has become an annual event for us and, this was a BIG year to review the world of legaltech, AI and innovation. So much has happened since ChatGPT exploded onto the market in November 2022. Its impact has been pervasive, even in an industry like legal which would not, in the past, have been described as agile.
So, what changed in 2023? What stuck, what didnât, and why? We welcomed back Caryn Sandler, Partner and Chief Knowledge & Innovation Officer at Gilbert + Tobin and Co-chair of the CLI Advisory Board; Graeme Grovum, Head of Legal Technology and Client Services at Allens; and Tessa van Duyn, CEO and Practice Leader at Moores, to discuss this and, we wrapped with a little crystal ball gazing into 2024 too!
We started this session with identifying why GenAI has captured our attention, dominated every conference, meeting, and the media so completely. Then we moved into the nitty gritty of it all, identifying use cases, interrogating how tech stacks have changed, and how that is impacting the law firm business model (client relationships, billing, risk and value). And we spent a little time on the huge question around capabilities too â do we have them, what do they look like, and how we can bridge the gaps?
Thereâs a lot going on in legal businesses right now, in all these areas, so we also explored how these businesses are strategising and planning for/in a market that is changing so rapidly and dramatically. That discussion took us to the next, how leaders/leadership are/is being reinvented for a new legal world, and that for many, this will involve a steep learning curve.
We wrapped with what will come next, in the first month of 2024. While plans differed, one thing was certain, we all have to find the space to reflect, consider next steps, and find the calm in this AI storm.
Thank you sooooo much Caryn, Graeme and Tessa â this is a session we look forward to every year and weâre certain you will too â donât miss this one!
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About the Future 50 Series
In the Future 50 Series weâre chatting with legalpreneurs who, through their ideas and actions, are challenging and transforming legal BAU all around the world.
If you would like to recommend people for this Series, please contact us at: [email protected].
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In this session, we spoke with Beth Patterson, the Founder and Director of legal industry-focused tech consultancy, ESPconnect and an Adjunct Professor (Industry) at UTS Faculty of Law.
Bethâs career has the distinctive hallmark of being groundbreaking. The depth and breadth of her experience in tech and legaltech, in tech companies and law firms, as a consultant and educator, means she has a highly practical, global and unique perspective on where AI in the legal industry is going today.
Our discussion began with context - placing generative AI in the broader AI continuum - and moved into its impact on the legal industry. We are all still experimenting (testing and investing) in every industry, legal included, and we should be because there are still major issues with the tech that need to be worked out. However, what was also clear from our chat is the need for us to engage with the tech NOW because itâs not going away, not ever! Senior management in law firms know this (as do our clients) and theyâre driving the engagement with it, something that makes this tech journey different from others.
What AI will we end up with at the end of this journey? Beth opines it will be a portfolio - a combination of enterprise-wide tech and point solutions, with commercial models driving the selection of what you use, for what and when. But, integration will also remain key; data governance critical; and capabilities to identify pain points, choose and use/apply fit-for-purpose tech increasingly part of every solution and BAU.
The opportunities with AI in legal are plentiful for those who jump in â new roles, new responsibilities, new practice areas (or expanded), new revenue streams, increasingly refined LLMs that do more and do it better â itâs a brave old and new world which we will embrace with FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) or JOMO (Joy of Missing Out) â youâll definitely want to listen to or watch this session to see where you fall on the continuum!
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this podcast, youâll find the videoâŻhere.
Resources:
Thomson Reuters Institute, Edge International, and ESPconnect: 2023 Australia: State of the Legal Market Report Thomson Reuters, Tech & the Law 2023 Report: Perceptions and Priorities The conference referred to it this session is CLIâs Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 (24 and 25 October) â you will find the video and podcast recordings here.About the Future 50 Series
In the Future 50 Series, weâre chatting with legalpreneurs who, through their ideas and actions, are challenging and transforming legal BAU all around the world.
If you would like to recommend people for this Series, please contact us at: [email protected].
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In this session, we spoke with Jean Yang, the VP and Co-founder of Onitâs AI Center of Excellence. The Center is a note-worthy offering from a software vendor. Jeanâs journey to Onit seems like it was a natural progression. A former practising lawyer from New Zealand, she has spent most of her career so far (thereâs lots more still to come) at the leading edge of AI in legal and, that has now taken her to Onit in Austin, Texas.
Our discussion focussed on the application of AI in legal - how much that has changed this past year; emerging trends in AI uptake; whether itâs realistic to expect definitive use cases right now; and the challenges, opportunities, needs, expectations and reality of the tech becoming pervasive/BAU in the legal world next year or maybe later - itâs hard to look too far ahead in this space right now but we did a little AI crystal ball gazing!
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this podcast, youâll find the videoâŻhere.
About the Future 50 Series
In the Future 50 Series, weâre chatting with legalpreneurs who, through their ideas and actions, are challenging and transforming legal BAU all around the world.
If you would like to recommend people for this Series, please contact us at: [email protected].
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In this session, we spoke with Michele DeStefano about how we can approach change, manage it and leverage it for the benefit of lawyer and allied legal professional wellbeing, for our clients, and legal businesses.
Michele knows a thing or two about this from her many roles as law professor, business founder, educator, consultant, and serial entrepreneur. Her work is visionary tempered with a strong dose of reality and, getting stuff done! Michele has been building the foundations, paving the road, and walking the talk of legal ecosystem transformation for many years and, helping others to do that successfully too.
We discussed what it will take to change the legal industry, the BIG pieces of the change puzzle - lawyer mindset, human-centred design, multidisciplinary collaboration and culture. We also chatted about how to combine the pieces in a way that creates sustained agility in a VUCA (volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous) world, it can be found in her most recent book (one of many already published with more to come), The Leader Upheaval Handbook: Lead Teams on an Innovation & Collaboration Journey with the 3-4-5 Method.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this podcast, youâll find the videoâŻhere.
About the Future 50 Series
In the Future 50 Series, weâre chatting with legalpreneurs who, through their ideas and actions, are challenging and transforming legal BAU all around the world.
If you would like to recommend people for this Series, please contact us at: [email protected].
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Itâs easy to get all caught up in the shiny new tech. Itâs exciting and even a little mesmerizing, but the change it brings, demands and expects has a very real and human face too.
In this podcast, Isabel Parker, Legal innovator, author and LawTech UK panel member closed out the Summit with her timely, important and candid reminder of the need to keep an unwavering focus on our humanity in a human+ legal world.
This podcast was on Day Two of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 25 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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So much has happened in tech/AI and the legal world in a year! Will 2024 see GenAI being more impactful, less impactful, the same? And where, what, how and when will it impact?
In this podcast, Caryn Sandler, Partner + Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Gilbert + Tobin and CLI Advisory Board Co-Chair gazed into the crystal ball to help you get prepared, and discussed whatâs next with these legal industry gurus:
Stuart Fuller, Global Head of Legal Services and Asia-Pacific Regional Leader for Legal Services, KPMG Hilary Goodier, Partner and Co-Head, Ashurst Advance, Ashurst and CLI Advisory Board Member Uwais Iqbal, Founder, simplexico Rajesh Sreenivasan, Head, Technology Media and Telecoms Law Practice, Rajah & Tann Singapore LLP, Director & Co-Founder of Rajah & Tann Technologies Pte Ltd and Rajah & Tann Cybersecurity Pte Ltd, Board Member, Mediacorp Pte Ltd and CLI Advisory Board MemberThis podcast was on Day Two of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 25 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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We donât have the capabilities we need to deliver legal services/products or solutions in a digital world. So what are legal educators doing about this and how quickly can they individually/collectively bridge the gap?
In this podcast, Courtney Blackman, Head of Partnerships at Lander & Rogers discussed how legal education is changing in the face of GenAI with these leading academics and pracademics in law:
Aaron Baer, Co-Founder and Corporate Law Instructor, 4L Academy Stephen Colbran, Head of the College of Law, Criminology and Justice, Dean of Law, CQUniversity Ann-Maree David, Executive Director, College of Law Queensland Tania Leiman, Professor & Dean of Law, College of Business, Government and Law, Flinders UniversityThis podcast was on Day Two of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 25 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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Gen AI has reinvented the legal workforce. Weâre seeing old roles expand, new roles emerge and some disappear too. So how is the legal industry preparing for this? What are the new talent strategies, capabilities, perspectives, retrospectives and yes, everything in between?
In this podcast, Sam Burrett, Legal Optimisation Consulting at MinterEllison explored the new world of legal talent with these fabulous âpeople centredâ innovators:
Jan Christie, Director, Capability + Organisational Development, Gilbert + Tobin Schellie-Jayne (SJ) Price, Partner, Stirling & Rose and CLI Advisory Board Member Nam Truong, Digital + Innovation, Law Squared Tessa van Duyn, CEO and Practice Leader, MooresThis podcast was on Day Two of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 25 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Harvard computer science course for lawyers OpenAI prompt engineering course An easier way to experience to functionality of semantic search -
ChatGPT4 came after ChatGPT1 â getting from 1 to 4 and beyond took time, money, failure, frustration, resilience, agility, collaboration and multidisciplinary teamwork. These factors are all part of experimentation but theyâre not typically hallmarks of the legal industry. So, how do we get from here to the new digital legal world?
In this podcast, Michelle Mahoney, Executive Director Innovation at King & Wood Mallesons got into the nitty gritty of what experimentation means in legal and how GenAI is encouraging its integration into legal BAU in discussion with this incredible panel of legal experimenters:
Gary Adler, Chief Digital Officer, MinterEllison Danielle Emerson, Senior Legal Transformation Manager, Herbert Smith Freehills Elliot White, Head of Innovation & Legal Technology, Addleshaw Goddard Dominic Woolrych, Co-founder & CEO, LawpathThis podcast was on Day One of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 24 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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What is the new and emerging role of regulatory authorities in a GenAI world? Who should be regulated (lawyers and paralegals)? Should the provision of legal services/products/solutions remain a duopoly? Should tech/AI competency be mandated? What does legal professional responsibility mean in contemporary legal practice?
In this podcast, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director at the Centre for Legal Innovation was joined by this outstanding panel and discussed the role of regulation and regulators:
Matthew Dunn, General Manager â Advocacy, Guidance and Governance, Queensland Law Society Catherine Gleeson, Barrister, NSW Bar Council Member and Deputy Chair of the NSW Bar News Committee Jeannie Paterson, Professor of Law, University of Melbourne and Co-Director, Centre for Artificial Intelligence and Digital Ethics (CAIDE), University of Melbourne Jennifer Shaw, Partner, Bartier Perry Lawyers and Panel Member of the NSW Law Societyâs Professional Conduct Advisory PanelThis podcast was on Day One of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 24 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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Weâve heard the stats and see every day the increasing and critical need to improve access to justice. There is much GenAI can do to help but itâs not a perfect solution, or is it?
In this podcast, Maya Markovich, Executive Director and Co-founder of the Justice Technology Association and CLI Advisory Board member, analysed and discussed the impact of GenAI in A2J with an amazing panel of community legal sector, pro bono, and low bono specialists:
Amy Burton, Head of Pro Bono, Mills Oakley and Managing Lawyer, Everyday Justice Laura Elliott, Pro Bono Senior Associate, DLA Piper Daniel Ghezelbash, Associate Professor, UNSW Law & Justice Noel Lim, Co-Founder and CEO, Anika LegalThis podcast was on Day One of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 24 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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Will Generative AI destroy law firms? Only if lawyers are too fixed in their ways to see the possibilities that lie beyond who we've always been and what we've always done.
In this podcast, globally renowned legal commentator Jordan Furlong, Principal at Law21, unpacked the challenges and opportunities of a GenAI-fuelled and human-centred legal world, one that is new, different and completely re-envisioned!
This podcast was on Day One of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 24 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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Generative AI has dominated tech meetings, conversations, debates and demonstrations this year. Weâve been impressed, intimidated, inspired and disillusioned by the tech, so now almost a year since ChatGPT launched, is GenAI REALLY a game-changer? Is it the ultimate catalyst and influencer? Can it/should it sustain its impact on the legal world through pivotal roles like legal ops?
In this podcast, legal ops legend Mary OâCarroll, Chief Community Officer at Ironclad, Inc. and Co-Founder of the Corporate Legal Operations Consortium (CLOC) shared her thoughts, experiences and use cases in response to those questionsâŠas well as launching the Summit!
This episode was on Day One of the CLI Legal Generative AI Summit 2023 on 24 October.
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, youâll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free Resource Hub here.
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Itâs been almost a year since ChatGPT launched! For many of us, that opened the door to a new world â new concepts, new terms, confusion, frustration, exhilaration â a whole lot of stuff to understand, implement and manage. We needed guidance but the sort that shines a light on where to go and doesnât require us to build the flashlight first.
It takes a special combination of capabilities to do that, not everyone has them but determining who does, who doesnât, and asking the right questions to engage the right person to assist can be hard, especially in new and emerging areas of expertise. Get the match right, and it can jump a legal business ahead in leaps and bounds. Get it wrong, and it will do the opposite but worse, create a culture of inertia that can last for years.
We spoke with someone who knows all about that, Josh Kubicki, the Co-founder and Business Designer of Bold Duck Studio and author of The Brainyacts Generative AI Newsletter. Joshâs deep experience in the legal ecosystem most particularly in advising on, leading, and delivering legal services done differently, qualifies him as someone who knows what it takes to make a contemporary legal business work and who it takes to do that too.
Joshâs work in the legal generative AI space is outstanding. He has combined his passion for tech, design, education, writing, and innovation with an entrepreneurial flare to produce a powerhouse of resources (check out The Brainyacts website) - videos, blogs, newsletters, checklists - to help the legal world embrace generative AI.
We spoke with Josh about one of his many projects, the AI Expert Checklist â itâs like a mini-CV for your next AI presenter so you can be sure to engage someone who really knows their stuff. In so many ways it typifies the work Josh is doing in this space â pragmatic, thoughtful, insightful, user-friendly, cutting-edge, and ground breaking â we know youâre going to enjoy this conversation just as much as we did!
If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this podcast, youâll find the videoâŻhere.
About the Future 50 Series
In the Future 50 Series weâre chatting with legalpreneurs who, through their ideas and actions, are challenging and transforming legal BAU all around the world.
If you would like to recommend people for this Series, please contact us at: [email protected].
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