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Have you ever fired a client? If you could do it without repercussions on cash flow, would you? Most agency owners have horror stories about toxic clients who created an unhealthy environment for the team. Deciding to cut ties can be particularly daunting, especially when the client in question represents a significant portion of your revenue.
Today’s featured guest decided to prioritize herself and her team's well-being by firing a client before the situation escalated. She looks back on a long and successful career in marketing and highlights how she came back from losing major clients and how she learned to advocate for herself and her team.
Susan Finch is a seasoned entrepreneur, writer, and podcaster with nearly four decades of experience in the advertising and marketing industry. She began her career as a teenager at a recreational boating company and eventually transitioned to an agency in the 1990s, during the transformative rise of the internet.
After a few key clients parted ways with the agency she was presented with the chance to start her own firm and continue to work with the remaining clients. With thirty years of industry experience under her belt, she is eager to share valuable insights, discuss the challenges of losing significant clients, and explore the strategies she’s been using to focus on working on the business rather than in the business.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Susa’s early mistake and learning to build a sustainable agency.
Cutting ties with tosic clients.
On impactful networking.
Love, hate, delegate.
How Early Success Can Mask the Need to Build Systems and ProcessesIn 1996, when the web was still very new, Susan started to work for an agency where she had the opportunity to work with clients like the City of Anaheim on interesting projects and fell in love with the work.
However, the agency took a big hit once this client moved their work in-house. The agency owner suggested that Susan establish her own agency offering to become her first client. At the time, she was nine months pregnant, and the idea of launching her own business felt overwhelming. Nevertheless, she embraced the opportunity and never looked back.
The transition to building her own agency was relatively smooth, with introductions being made, clients satisfied, and the work continuing without much fuss. However, looking back, Susan realizes this made her too comfortable. She was late to create her own prospecting processes to keep the pipeline full when referrals dried up.
Having landed on a business, Susan failed to plan for the future and have the different pieces in place to guarantee its proper functioning. Without those pieces in place, an agency will scale for a while but ultimately crash. The lack of vision, goals, and processes led her to work on the business all the time.
Longterm Benefit to Cutting Ties with a Toxic ClientThe breaking point that led to the ultimate change for Susan was getting rid of a toxic client. This specific client was causing her and her team immense stress and draining their creativity and joy. It came down to making the difficult decision to fire them, despite accounting for 40% of the agency’s business, to guarantee a healthy and abuse-free work environment.
The immediate aftermath of this decision was a rough patch where thankfully Susan was not shy about calling up all her contacts and being very open about looking for small and big projects alike and the type of client she wanted to work with.
She began working as a fractional CMO with several companies and sometimes became the full-time solution they were looking for. Before long, Susan secured a new high-profile client, whose esteemed reputation gave her the confidence she needed to network effectively in her industry, having conversations with big-time CEOs and CMOs. Ultimately, firing her toxic client was a painful decision but the right one in the long run.
Rebuilding Your Agency’s Momentum & Bouncing Back from Firing a Major ClientFiring a client is intimidating, especially when they account for a significant part of your revenue. However, Susan knew it was time to stand up for herself and her team. Every agency owner has stories about difficult clients but it’s important to advocate for yourself and your team.
Don’t wait too long to raise the issue once you notice the problematic behavior is affecting the team and set clear boundaries This assertiveness can foster a more positive working relationship or lead to a necessary separation. Regardless of the outcome, your team will appreciate your commitment to their well-being, reinforcing the standards of treatment you expect.
In the end, the problematic individual at that old client’s company left and the company approached Susan to continue the working relationship months later. By standing up for herself, Susan was able to maintain her integrity, build stronger relationships, and create a more positive work environment.
Lessons on the Power of Personal Touch for Impactful NetworkingNetworking provided Susan with the opportunity to meet new people and make a lasting impression. She credits this to the fact that she’s not afraid to pick up the phone or schedule an in-person meeting.
People nowadays tend to rely on emails and social media to start conversations and don’t realize this can create a sense of detachment. By picking up the phone, meeting for coffee, attending events, and engaging in real conversations, agency owners can establish genuine connections that can lead to new opportunities, collaborations, and friendships.
In-person interactions allow for spontaneity, creativity, and a deeper level of understanding that may not be achieved through digital communication alone.
Consider your agency’s email list. If you have a few high-engagement contacts who are yet to become clients, why not reach out with a simple phone call to express your gratitude for their engagement? They will likely be pleasantly surprised to learn that your sole intention is to thank them, leaving a memorable impression.
Making that phone call demonstrates your commitment to going the extra mile to connect, engage, and show genuine interest in others. This approach can lead to stronger relationships, enhanced trust, and a profound sense of connection among individuals.
The Love, Hate, Delegate Approach to LeadershipJust like choosing to work with the right clients will help you create the type of work you love to do and motivate you to do great things, Susan advocates for the “love, hate, delegate” approach—an effective method she's learning to use to regain focus on her business operations. This system involves categorizing tasks into three distinct groups: those she loves to handle personally, those she can eliminate, and those that can be delegated to others.
At the end of the day, agency owners don’t just want to scale their business, they want to get to a point where they can build a team that can take over and get their time back. Time is irreplaceable so find ways to keep building your business while still doing the work you love. Get your ego out of it and allow other people to come in and make you look better.
Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.
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How often do you take time off simply to rest? Do you carve out moments to recharge and find stillness before the daily whirlwind begins? If you’re a successful entrepreneur who doesn’t prioritize rest, you may be heading toward burnout. Today’s featured guest is an entrepreneur who’s created several noted frameworks for business owners, empowering countless individuals to elevate their businesses.
Gino Wickman is an entrepreneur, content creator, and most notably the founder of Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS). Through the years he’s noticed highly accomplished entrepreneurs tend to feel unfulfilled in what should be the highest point of their success. This happens when they forget the fundamental purpose behind building a successful business: to create a fulfilling life. In this episode, you will gain insights into achieving success while maintaining fulfillment in both your professional and personal life.
Gino has created many business frameworks but EOS is what he’s best known for and is used by hundreds of thousands of companies around the world. In his new book, "Shine," Gino explores the idea of achieving success while maintaining balance and fulfillment in life. This is something many entrepreneurs often struggle with and may not even realize it.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Why business success isn’t enough.
Breaking work cycles.
3 discoveries to free your true self.
The ten disciplines.
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Sponsors and ResourcesE2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.
The Missing Piece: Why Isn’t Business Success Enough?
Check out Gino Wickman on the 2 disciplines every agency owner needs.With a track record of thirty years working with entrepreneurs, Gino realized that, even though he has been helping them create thriving businesses, many of his clients continued to feel unfulfilled. This is something Gino himself can relate to and what led to him to creating his latest framework centered on helping entrepreneurs master both their inner and outer worlds.
Many people achieve remarkable success but continue to feel unfulfilled or unbalanced, even if they have more money than they know what to do with. Attaining external success and continuing to struggle with finding purpose and feeling empty on the inside is common for business owners. This underscores the need to nurture our inner selves in addition to focusing on external achievements.
In our fast-paced and achievement-oriented society, it’s easy to get caught up in the pursuit of external success and validation. However, without a strong foundation of inner fulfillment, external achievements can feel hollow and unsatisfying. That’s why prioritizing self-reflection, self-care, and personal growth is essential to cultivating a sense of inner peace and fulfillment.
Breaking the Work-Hard and Hustle CycleAfter selling EOS Worldwide, Gino found himself in a remarkable position, engaging in work that he genuinely loved. This newfound contentment revealed to him he had been operating under a belief system based on non-stop work since age fifteen. Back then he committed to work hard and build an empire around what he thought would make him happy.
Now, years later, it finally hit him that he had been enduring the unhappiness created by his work obsession and the feeling of safe and contentment after the sale is what helped reveal this pattern. He realized it was time to work on his inner struggles and find true fulfillment.
Just like Navy SEALs commonly experience trauma once they are safe at home, entrepreneurs often find that their inner demons come to the surface when they are not focused on a task or goal. These moments of stillness and introspection present an opportunity to confront our fears, insecurities, and past traumas, and ultimately free ourselves from the burdens that have been holding us back.
To deal with this, Gino recommends meditation, which many people reject fearing that the moments of quiet will evoke past trauma. Nonetheless, Gino believes there is a need to let this stuff come up, to shed the layers of armor you’ve built up, and to free yourself. Achieving this freedom is what will allow individuals to make a real impact on the world and become much more creative.
3 Discoveries to Free Your True SelfSome people think that growing and selling your business brings freedom. However, Gino presents a different perspective, advocating for three transformative insights that can help you unlock your authentic self while enhancing your energy, impact, and inner peace.
Recognize and accept that being driven is part of an entrepreneur’s DNA and wiring. Acknowledging this helps you navigate the ups and downs of that drive and recognize the impact it has on your mental, physical, and emotional well-being.
All decisions are made out of love or fear. Understanding the motivations behind your actions will help you make more conscious choices that align with your true self rather than your ego. This awareness can help entrepreneurs break free from patterns of fear-based decision-making and move towards a place of love and authenticity.
Know it is possible to be BOTH driven and have peace. This may seem contradictory at first, as many driven individuals equate drive with a constant state of hustle and striving. However, finding peace does not mean losing drive; in fact, it can enhance it. At this stage of his life, Gino has everything he’ll ever need; nonetheless, he’s more motivated than ever. By letting go of the need to constantly be in motion and finding a sense of inner calm, driven entrepreneurs can tap into a deeper source of motivation and creativity.
The Ten DisciplinesThe next step after embracing these discoveries is how to implement them into your life. In this sense, Gino emphasizes the transformative power of shedding everything that isn’t the real you. He encourages entrepreneurs to let go of societal expectations, comparisons to others, and unnecessary tasks or responsibilities that do not resonate with their core values and passions.
The 10 disciplines outlined by Gino provide a roadmap for achieving this state of authenticity and include:
Tenure thinking
Taking time off
Knowing oneself
Being still
Knowing one's 100%
Saying no often
Avoiding low-value tasks
Preparing nightly
Organizing one's life
Practicing humility
Following these disciplines, anyone can begin to strip away the layers of conditioning, false beliefs, and distractions that prevent them from living in alignment with their true selves.
For instance, knowing your 100% is a step that will help you pinpoint the perfect amount of effort you’ll need to create something amazing as an entrepreneur. Also known as the work container, this measure should answer how many weeks of the year and hours per week you can work to reach your maximum output without going over or under that measure. One extra hour over that measure may lead to burnout while one hour less might mean you’ll start to get bored.The key to finding this magic number is to start experimenting with how you manage your time. Instead of deciding you’ll only work three days of the week as of tomorrow, start reducing your working hours little by little and see how you feel, how your energy levels change, and whether or not you’re still able to handle your workload. The perfect balance will allow you to manage your energy while making as big of an impact as possible.
Learning to Sit Still Without GuiltDo you find it challenging to sit still? If so, you may struggle because your mind is preoccupied with tasks and responsibilities that are piling up, making it difficult to take a moment to reset and recharge.
What does ‘stillness’ mean in this scenario? It means four things: meditation, prayer, contemplation, or journaling. The idea behind this daily exercise is to set aside time to just stop and let your soul catch up to be present and aware.
For his part, Gino recommends dedicating thirty minutes each day to simply sit in silence. As simple as that sounds, it’s hard for driven entrepreneurs. If this is your case, just try starting with 10 minutes every day and slowly work your way up to 30 minutes. Being constant with this practice will allow you to feel more present, aware, energized, and creative, which will benefit every aspect of your life, not just your performance as an entrepreneur.
Why 130 Days Off Could Boost Your BusinessJust like sitting still can be a challenge for entrepreneurs, taking time off can be even harder. However, Gino recommends business owners take at least 130 days off a year, which may seem like a lot if you’re used to working long hours and prioritizing productivity above all else.
Personally, Gino has taken the month of August off for the last twenty-five years and is a big believer in the power of a sabbatical. He insists these days off must be days when you do not think about work at all.
By taking time off, we allow ourselves to rest and rejuvenate, which can lead to increased creativity, productivity, and overall well-being. It allows us to step back from our daily routines and responsibilities, gain perspective, and come back with a fresh outlook on life.
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Do you find it hard to remember the name of someone you just met? Do you struggle to recall the details of last week’s meeting? Busy agency owners are constantly juggling countless responsibilities which is overwhelming and leaving you feeling like you're losing your edge. But what if you could sharpen your mind and tackle daily challenges with confidence?
Today’s featured guest has transformed his remarkable journey as a record-holding memorization expert into a powerful business dedicated to helping entrepreneurs enhance their memory skills. By harnessing effective visualization techniques, he empowers individuals to project themselves into a future filled with success. In this episode, learn more about his inspiring story and insights on memorable marketing and memorization.
Dave Farrow is the founder and CEO of Farrow Communications, a full-service public relations and digital marketing agency with a reputation for creating ‘memorable’ marketing and publicity campaigns. Dave shares his incredible journey from being diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia to becoming a Guinness World Record holder in memorization and building his business around his passion for helping people understand the brain's workings.
His most recent book ‘Brain Hacker’ is another step in his mission to show that the brain can change and be trained to improve memory.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Supercharging your memory with visual associations.
The super learner’s toolkit to remember everything.
The use of visualization techniques in business.
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Sponsors and ResourcesE2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.
Using ADHD to Transform a Talent into a MissionAs a child, Dave was often led to believe that his ADHD would hinder his chances of achieving success. This conviction ignited a profound curiosity about the workings of the brain and the concept of neuroplasticity. Dave became passionate about the idea that the brain is capable of change, adaptability, and training, embarking on a mission to demonstrate this potential.
Through dedication and hard work, he broke the Guinness World Record for memorizing the order of 59 decks of cards, an accomplishment that showcased his exceptional memory skills and brought him a lot of publicity and recognition. However, he realized memorization alone was not enough to guarantee success. He needed to find ways to leverage his memory skills to create opportunities for himself.
His time as ‘the memory guy’ gave him access to several media outlets, including appearances on The Today Show and features in The New York Times. Leveraging this exposure, Dave began to pivot the narrative from a personal focus to a broader mission—promoting effective learning strategies to enhance memory and combat memory loss. Through this approach, he aims to provide valuable solutions that can benefit others.
Visual Associations as the Secret to Supercharging Your MemoryHuman beings are naturally good at remembering people’s faces. However, we’re not as good at connecting those faces to names. Throughout his career, Dave has used memorization to teach people to improve their memory. Specifically, one of the main techniques he uses is the Costume Party Technique, where people associate the name with a costume and imagine the person wearing it. Creating visual associations with names can be a powerful tool in improving memory retention.
By creating these visual associations with something we want to remember, we engage different parts of our brain and make the information more memorable. This technique can be applied to various aspects of life, not just remembering names.
The Super Learner's Toolkit: Combining Organizational Strategies and Purposeful MemorizationWhen it comes to greater amounts of information, like remembering key points from a meeting, Dave looks at it as organizing information rather than just remembering it.
Much like creating a grocery list before shopping, one can utilize the “method of location” to construct a mental map. This technique involves associating each piece of information with specific objects or items within a familiar space—like an office or a room—, making it easier to remember and access important details.
Organizing information can help us avoid confusion and errors that may arise from simply memorizing without a clear structure. Moreover, understanding context is equally important to effective memorization. Learning out of context can hinder progress significantly. By combining organization and purpose-driven learning, you can become a super learner and collect skills like others collect stamps.
Using Visualization Techniques in Client PitchesWhen pitching clients for a big opportunity like appearing on ABC, Dave and his team try to choose words that help visualize the experience. For instance, they’ll try to get the producer to picture that client in their studio. This is a powerful technique that taps into the brain's ability to believe what it sees. In this sense, using visual language and asking questions can help potential clients imagine themselves in a specific scenario, increasing the chances of closing a sale.
To take this experience to sales, focus on what the client is looking for rather than just presenting the problem. If you can articulate this the fastest, then you’ll get the biggest response. Incorporating questions enhances the visualization process when done correctly, prompting the client to imagine themselves in a specific scenario or consider their past experiences. This approach is particularly effective on websites or marketing materials, where asking questions like "Do you want X" or "Do you think this is X" prompts visitors to visualize themselves using the product or service being offered.
Using Visualization to Empower Aspiring EntrepreneursEven someone like Dave, renowned for his exceptional memorization skills, dedicates time each morning to hone his abilities. Drawing from his past experiences with Buddhist practices, he incorporates meditation into his routine, visualizing his goals and aspirations for the day ahead.
This method of visualization serves as a powerful way to concentrate on your desired outcomes and maintain motivation in your pursuits. Dave envisions himself as already successful, effectively training his brain to identify innovative strategies for achieving his objectives and overcoming challenges.
For aspiring entrepreneurs, he recommends reframing their mindset. Rather than perceiving their venture as something they are merely starting, which can evoke feelings of overwhelm about the journey ahead, they should visualize themselves as having already succeeded. This shift in perspective prompts the brain to generate actionable ideas and solutions, ultimately serving as a crucial catalyst for progress.
Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.
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Have you clearly defined your service offering to the extent that you can productize it? Or do you prefer to customize your approach for each client’s needs? Which strategy aligns better with your agency's objectives and overall success? Today's featured guest transitioned from providing highly customized services, which impacted his team's ability to meet deadlines and adhere to budgets. He has since adopted a productized model and is currently exploring how to effectively present differentiated pricing tiers. Join us as we delve into invaluable insights on launching and scaling a creative agency, optimizing your service offerings, and gracefully managing a co-founder's exit.
Matthew McIver is the founder and CEO of Commence Studio, a B2B brand and e-commerce agency with a proven track record for helping purpose-driven companies build widely-known brands. He shares his journey from graphic designer to agency owner and offers insights for those considering buying or selling a business.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The hidden costs of customization.
Learning the value of processes and standardization.
Two paths to agency growth
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Sponsors and ResourcesE2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.
Navigating an Agency Partner’s ExitEver since high school, Matt envisioned a future where he would own an agency—an aspiration he regarded as the pinnacle of success for a graphic designer. After honing his skills in design and photography at art school, he made the transition into the agency world, where he worked as a freelance designer and web developer at several firms.
Eventually, Matt partnered with a like-minded individual to embark on the ambitious venture of starting their own business, pooling together just $500 to kickstart their dream. Matt quickly learned that building a successful business requires immense perseverance—navigating through growth, setbacks, and the resilience to rise again.
After years of building the agency together, Matt's partner experienced burnout and lost his passion for entrepreneurship. The split was amicable, characterized by mutual respect and a buyout agreement that allowed both parties to prioritize their respective futures without ego interference.
Reflecting on this pivotal period, Matt notes the buyout agreement they drafted through LegalZoom served its purpose in outlining the terms of their separation. However, he recognizes that a more tailored agreement crafted by a legal professional would have provided additional benefits and advises having a comprehensive and detailed agreement in place when entering a partnership.
The Hidden Cost of Customization and Not Having SOPsLooking back at his experience building the agency with his partner, Matt reflects on how the agency saw rapid and significant growth. However, he recognizes their journey was largely improvised, resulting in various shortcomings, the most notable being the lack of processes. As they scaled, they inadvertently constructed a business model centered around their craft and talent, leading to a portfolio that lacked distinction among brands.
The agency found itself specializing in a singular type of design, which necessitated training every new hire—both designers and developers—in the same approach. No documented SOPs were in place, as each product was custom-built for new clients. This absence of structured processes led to several oversights, not necessarily diminishing quality, but causing them to miss deadlines and exceed budgets. Matt realized he was essentially forfeiting potential revenue by not understanding the value of the ideas they were providing for free.
More recently, they moved into a productized format that helped take their sales cycle from 88 days to just 8 days. They have packaged their services into standardized offerings that can be easily replicated and sold to multiple clients by creating a catalog of three tiers of services.
The Power of Standardization & Learning the Value of ProcessesMoving into a more productized format poses the question of how much to charge for each of their service’s tiers and whether or not they should make those prices public on their website. On one hand, having value-based advisory emphasizes the importance of providing personalized, strategic advice to clients. Rather than treating clients like a commodity, their approach is based on the individual needs and goals of each client. On the other hand, research indicates that clients like to know the options available to them.
After refining their sales process, Matt is now able to ask the right questions to find out what kind of business the leads are in, and their size, and position their product catalog quickly accordingly. He then presents all three options in their catalog and highlights the one he recommends for that specific client. However, this has sometimes created confusion among clients who feel overwhelmed by the options.
Ultimately, clients seek to engage with an industry expert they can trust to provide effective solutions to their challenges. They don’t want to make decisions but rather have someone take care of the problem and present solutions that make it a no-brainer. It’s important to position yourself as a trusted advisor to clients, which is why presenting the right price offering based on the client’s needs and budget after the initial meeting might be the best option.
High-Touch vs. High-Efficiency: Two Paths to Agency GrowthThe key to value-based advisory is the ability to guide clients through complex decision-making processes and offer expert recommendations based on their unique needs. It’s an approach that involves actively listening to clients, understanding their pain points, and presenting solutions that align with their goals. However, there’s no one-size-fits-all approach to scaling an agency and while some entrepreneurs may choose to focus on offering high-end, personalized services at premium prices, others may find success by adopting a more streamlined and cost-effective approach.
For instance, some agency owners have found success in "creating a factory", a powerful and thought-provoking idea that challenges traditional notions of pricing and service delivery. This is the case of David, who built a successful agency by offering low-priced services in a streamlined and efficient manner.
By focusing on efficiency, simplicity, and scalability, David was able to attract a large number of clients and ultimately sell his agency for a substantial sum. His approach of offering standardized services at a low price point may seem counterintuitive to some, especially in an industry where high prices are often equated with quality. Ultimately, the key is to understand your target market, identify their needs and preferences, and tailor your business model accordingly.
Building a Strong Culture that Prioritizes Flexibility and Growth OpportunitiesMatt is very conscious of the fact that his team is his greatest asset and is committed to treating them with respect while providing compelling reasons for them to remain with his agency. He feels a profound sense of gratitude for the loyalty shown by some employees who have been with the agency since its inception, even amidst various challenges and transitions. His vision has always been to cultivate a close-knit team of around fifteen members, and although recent difficulties necessitated a downsizing, he is now focused on rebuilding.
He takes pride in building a strong culture that values time and freedom, especially as a new father. He also recognizes the importance of offering flexibility and a supportive culture for their team. By focusing on transparency, open communication, and providing tools for retention, he has been able to create a positive work environment where employees feel valued and supported.
In addition to offering competitive benefits such as health and wellness benefits, gym benefits, and paid time off, Matt goes above and beyond to support his team through personal challenges and difficult times. His dedication to prioritizing employee well-being reflects a genuine commitment to investing in his team members, recognizing that they are more than just assets or sources of income.
Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.
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How much automation should be integrated into your agency's processes? When is automation a good idea, and when isn’t it? Are your agency services diverse enough to withstand a shifting market? In this interview, learn from one agency owner who has grown her agency making very conscious decisions about what she’ll need to build a business that stands the test of time. From avoiding heavy automation to building a team based primarily in the US while living in Romania, she considers all angles before making long-term plans and has pushed against some trends to find her path. In this episode, we delve into her journey and gather valuable insights on scaling an agency in the dynamic world of e-commerce.
Alina Vlaic is the owner of AZRank, an e-commerce agency that offers tested and successful solutions for launching products across all e-commerce platforms. Alina shares her journey of starting her agency from scratch in 2018 and growing it to a 20-person team dedicated mostly to Amazon sellers, e-commerce businesses, and online entrepreneurs. She discusses the decisions she’s made from the start, to do what felt best for the success of her agency.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Choosing flexibility for long-term success.
A global vision with a local agency approach.
Expanding your agency’s toolkit to survive market shifts.
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Sponsors and ResourcesE2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.
An Unexpected Journey from Amazon Seller to E-Commerce Agency OwnerAs an Amazon seller alongside her husband, Alina experienced firsthand the rollercoaster ride of e-commerce - including a devastating low that nearly derailed their dreams. It was during this time that she identified a gap in the market for services that were not being offered in the way she wanted. She saw some things were still missing in the 2017 Amazon landscape and set out to create a service that would address these needs for clients.
After slowly building up her clientele from just a couple of friends to a full team to continue providing services, she found herself having created a business around Amazon sales. It was time to transition from a one-woman show to a structured business and start growing a team.
Bucking the Trend: Choosing Flexibility for Long-Term SuccessWhile her peers rushed to embrace every new technology promising lightning-fast results and the industry pushed for automation at increasingly higher rates, Alina took the opposite stance. Although automation could have helped her grow tenfold, she's made the conscious decision to pump the brakes on this high-speed approach.
The soul of her service lies in its flexibility - a quality she fears would be sacrificed on the altar of full automation. She's not willing to trade the ability to adapt and tailor her offerings for the sake of rapid expansion. Without flexibility, she would not be able to offer efficient services.
Executing a Global Vision with a Local Agency ApproachWhen Alina set out to build her dream team, she knew that the human touch would be her secret weapon. She needed to ensure her clients received top-notch attention in their own time zones while avoiding the pitfalls of language barriers. If clients weren’t receiving the right answers to their questions or didn’t understand the agency’s survey and processes, nothing would be ultimately accomplished. This is why she made the unusual and daring decision to hire a US-based team run remotely from Romania.
Furthermore, she was also very conscious about empowering her team from the very beginning. One of the smartest decisions Alina has made was letting her current COO and first hire handle the hiring process of the rest of the team. After that, she’s been “in the back seat” as she lets her team take over operations.
It's a transition that many agency owners dream of but few achieve, often finding themselves trapped by their own need for control.
Expanding Your Agency’s Toolkit to Survive Market ShiftsAlina started her agency with a focus on Amazon-dedicated services, but she quickly realized the need to expand into other areas like press articles and content generation. More than a response to market demand, this diversification was a strategic move to mitigate risks associated with relying on a single service offering.
Her decision to diversify her services highlights the importance of staying agile and responsive to changing market dynamics. In today's fast-paced digital landscape, agencies need to be able to pivot and adapt to new trends and technologies. Alina had in mind after seeing many agencies have to completely reinvent themselves once the market changed and their entire business model went down the drain.
By diversifying their services, agencies can not only capture new opportunities but also protect themselves from sudden shifts in the market that could potentially shut down their business overnight.
Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.
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Are you thinking about an eventual exit from your agency? Curious about how to prepare for selling your agency down the road? Preparing for a potential sale well in advance can be beneficial, even if you ultimately decide to retain your business. Our guest had a clear vision of his goal: to grow his agency while waiting for an opportune moment to sell. He shares valuable lessons on how coaching accelerated his growth and why he wishes he had joined a mastermind group sooner to establish the necessary systems for a successful sale. He shares insights into building a thriving agency and navigating the industry with a strategic approach.
Ronik Patel is the founder of UnlimitedWP, a white-label WordPress Development company recently acquired by the white-label agency and longtime friend of the Smart Agency podcast, E2M Solutions. He shares his journey in the agency space, from starting Unlimited WP to its recent merger with E2M, and discusses the unique approach of productizing white-label services for digital agencies and the inspiration behind it.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Building a sellable agency from scratch.
The impact of agency peer groups.
Preparing for an agency sale.
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Building a Sellable Agency from ScratchRonik has been in the agency space for eight years, when after completing his master’s degree in entrepreneurship, he faced the challenges of a failed startup and recognized the need for a venture that required minimal initial investment. While operating an agency is not without its complexities and uncertainties, it offered him the opportunity to launch a business independently and with no capital, allowing him to gradually develop it into a lifestyle enterprise.
However, Ronik's ambitions extended beyond merely creating a lifestyle business; he aspired to build an enterprise with the potential for future sale. To achieve this, he engaged with agency coaches to explore alternative models that would allow for rapid scaling and eventual sale. Inspired by design firms that successfully productized their services, Ronik noted the absence of similar strategies within the agency sector at that time. Determined to innovate, he set out to implement this approach in his own agency.
Accelerating Success: The Impact of Agency Peer GroupsReflecting on his personal journey, Ronik believes that one of the most impactful decisions he could have made earlier was to seek out a mentor and join a mastermind group. His experience has shown that being part of an agency group and learning from industry experts can dramatically accelerate growth and success.
By being part of a community of like-minded individuals, a step he took during his third year of owning an agency, entrepreneurs can gain valuable insights, advice, and support that can help them navigate challenges and make informed decisions.
However, changes don’t happen overnight. It took Ronik a couple of years to learn and implement what he learned, so he could have potentially achieved his goals in half the time if he had joined sooner. Ultimately, engaging with others and sharing experiences, helped him gain the confidence to try different things and improve his business strategies.
Moreover, things won’t just happen unless you challenge yourself to actively participate in these communities to reap the full benefits of membership. Ronik stresses the importance of showing up, asking questions, and seeking help when faced with challenges. Being proactive and engaging with other members is the best way to leverage the collective knowledge and expertise of the community to overcome obstacles, find solutions, and achieve their goals.
Building Value for Buyers: Lessons in an Agency Exit StrategyWhen it came time to sell, Ronik didn’t have one particular reason to take this step. The timing was right, the offer was just right, and he had always envisioned he would sell at some point.
Outside of just waiting for the right moment, he does recommend preparing for that moment by making a shortlist of potential buyers and initiating conversations with them to understand what they are looking for in a buyout, as well as actively seeking out potential buyers and making introductions early on in the process. By building relationships with potential buyers and understanding their criteria for a buyout, entrepreneurs can better position themselves for a successful sale when the time comes.
Ronik also highlights the importance of understanding where the weightage will go in a potential buyout. He shares his experience of not knowing initially that factors such as the team, revenue, brand, and marketing channels would be crucial in the eyes of the buyer. By knowing this information ahead of time, entrepreneurs can tailor their efforts and focus on strengthening these aspects of their business to make it more attractive to potential buyers.
Ultimately, it’s always good to set up your agency for a possible future exit even if you don’t end up selling because it creates freedom either way.
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Do you price your agency services based on time spent or based on value delivered? Your fees should reflect the expertise you bring to solving your client's challenges, not how long it takes. If you still consider time your most valuable metric, it may be time to reassess the true value you offer. Our featured guest started her career in PR and ventured to start an agency after becoming disillusioned with corporate decision-making; often neglecting the best interests of both teams and clients. She set out to build an agency that would get the job done while not losing sight of their values. Tune in to learn how she learned to appreciate the value she brought to clients and how that changed the way she prices her services and structured her offer.
Sharon Robustelli is the founder of Ten3 Public Relations, an agency with a mission to elevate female founders and help them raise their authority in their industries. She shares her journey from starting in entertainment PR to eventually founding her own agency and figuring out the struggle between value and time.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Figuring out the pricing struggle between value and time.
A surefire foot-in-the-door strategy.
Fueling creativity and innovation for your agency team.
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Turning Frustration into Motivation and InnovationInjustice can serve as a powerful catalyst for change and achievement. This is what inspired Sharon to establish her agency "out of spite." With a degree in public relations—an increasingly rare credential—she embarked on her career in entertainment PR. After a decade of mastering this segment of the industry, Sharon began to explore opportunities for a strategic pivot. This transition ultimately led her to consumer PR, igniting a passion that continues to drive her work today.
As she climbed the ranks in the agency world, Sharon reached a point where she was exposed to the inner workings of decision-making at a higher level. This experience opened her eyes to the bureaucracy, internal politics, and priorities that were not always in alignment with what was best for the team and the clients. She felt disillusioned by the way decisions were made and the lack of consideration for the impact on individuals' lives.
More than anything, she was taken aback by how much time was lost with bureaucracy and trying to look smart and strategic to clients. She was determined to create a space where she could prioritize the well-being of her team and focus on serving her clients in a way that aligned with her values and mission. In doing so, she took a bold step towards creating a more equitable and empowering work environment for herself and those she serves.
Figuring out the Pricing Struggle Between Value and TimeThe biggest ‘aha moment’ that led Sharon to leap into starting an agency realizing the the struggle between her value and her time. She recognized that her value lies in her experience and knowledge rather than the amount of time she spends on a project. This shift in mindset allowed her to break free from the traditional agency model and start her own agency, where she could focus on delivering tangible results efficiently and effectively.
She had not internalized she was good at what she did and figured if someone paid her to do something it meant she had to spend a certain amount of time doing it. In the end, clients are not paying for the number of hours spent on a project; they are paying for the expertise, creativity, and strategic thinking that professionals bring to the table. Prioritizing expertise is a way for agencies to deliver higher quality work in less time, ultimately leading to greater client satisfaction and long-term success.
Sharon's advice is to embrace your expertise and acknowledge the value it brings to the table. This also extends to pricing strategies, as she highlights that charging for the time spent doing something meant losing money for her. Instead, charging based on the value provided will allow you to command higher prices and build long-term relationships with clients who appreciate the impact of their work.
Establishing Expectations and a Surefire Foot-In-The-Door StrategyUnderstanding your value is essential for developing an offer that effectively showcases your expertise while minimizing the time and resources spent on client pitches. For Sharon, this begins with establishing clear expectations with clients right from the start of their relationship. She emphasizes her approach of not pitching a specific offer; instead, she arranges a session dedicated to understanding the client's unique needs and crafting tailored solutions.
Providing clients with a roadmap or strategy upfront allows agencies to demonstrate their expertise and show clients the value they bring to the table. This approach not only helps clients understand the benefits of working with a professional but also saves time and resources and sets the stage for a more collaborative and successful partnership.
A session like this would be a perfect foot-in-the-door strategy you can use to filter out serious clients from those who may not be a good fit. If you’re working on your foot-in-the-door offer, just remember to ask yourself the following questions:
What’s the perceived value?
What’s the speed of execution?
Does it lead to a logical next step?
Is it something you can co-create with the prospect?
If your strategy provides value, does not take much time or effort to create, and leads the prospect to a follow-up project co-created with them, then you have a winner. More often than not, prospects will enjoy the transparency of being part of that process.
Fueling Creativity and Innovation for Your Agency TeamBusiness owners often find themselves responsible for large teams and can’t seem to get comfortable with the idea of leading. Sharon advises staying curious and continuously exploring new ideas and perspectives to refuel passion and drive for work. Look for things that keep you interested in the world and seek outside stimulation; engage in conversations with others, read, take walks, and pursue interests outside of work and family to expose yourself to new experiences and ideas that can broaden your perspective and keep your mind sharp and engaged.
Creativity is a key component of success in any field, including business. When you remain curious and open-minded, you’re more likely to come up with innovative solutions, think outside the box, and adapt to changing circumstances. By exposing themselves to new experiences and ideas, they can broaden their perspectives and keep their minds sharp and engaged.
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Do you know the power of intertwining your personal narrative with your business journey? Do you know how to find the thread that unites that story with your agency’s mission and values? Today’s guest is a narrative strategist who built his agency around helping entrepreneurs shape their stories to attract the right clients by communicating their goals and values. Discover how owning and sharing impactful stories can set owners apart from salespeople and lead to successful outcomes.
Matthew Woodget is a self-proclaimed "hopeless story addict" and the founder and Chief Storyteller of Go Narrative, an agency focused on supporting changemakers by helping them reshape their narratives and align them with their vision.
Matt believes in the importance of stories in building meaningful connections and achieving collective business success. He delves into the common pitfall of sharing too much information too soon, leading to missed opportunities in sales. He highlights the power of owning and sharing compelling stories to differentiate oneself and drive success.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The power of a well-crafted narrative.
The Seven Types of Business Stories.
Finding the heart of your story.
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What is the Power of Narrative and Storytelling in Business?As a narrative strategist and lover of stories, Matt knows the importance of storytelling in business and personal relationships and its power in shaping one's narrative, building meaningful connections, and ultimately achieving collective success with and through others.
Although he doesn’t particularly like the term storytelling, Matt recognizes it as a powerful tool to get people’s attention. To him, we are all constantly interpreting the world around us and building a picture. The way we communicate this is where we start to touch on the concept of storytelling, whether it is to get somebody’s attention, get children to learn an important lesson, etc.
In today's fast-paced and competitive world, the ability to tell a compelling story is more important than ever. Whether you are a business owner, a salesperson, or an individual looking to make an impact, it can be a powerful tool to communicate your message, connect with others, and achieve your goals.
By mastering the art of storytelling, agency owners can effectively communicate their unique value proposition, and personality, and create a memorable impression on others.
7 Types of Business Stories: Crafting Your Agency’s NarrativeIn December 2022, Matt decided to study some popular story models. In his research, he found that, while it is a well-known and powerful storytelling framework, the hero's journey may not always align with the needs and goals of a business. Instead, he decided to focus on Booker’s Seven Basic Plots and used it as the base to create a similar framework that can be adapted to businesses.
His model presents things business owners deal with every day in a language they’re used to using. It’s a tool for clients to add to and create their own stories and provides a practical way to get people started on the journey of shaping their stories.
The 7 types of business stories outlined by in this model are:
The Challenge
The Pivot
The Catalyst
Innovation
Improving Experiences
Changing Perceptions
Growth Mindset
Each serves a different purpose and can be used strategically to convey messages, inspire action, and drive change within an organization.
Finding the Heart of Your Story and Discovering Your 'Why'Things are considered cliché because they ring true. However, people tend to use clichés as a crutch, forgetting to tap into what they really mean. Instead, your authentic story — your why — is the one you draw power from and drives you. It comes from your early formative years when you figured out how to live and it starts to manifest when you choose how you’re going to live.
When he works with clients, Matt ultimately aims to identify the heart of their story (the answer to “Why do I do this?”) and the head of the story (the practical aspects); Finding the heart can be the trickier piece, and it may take going back to your childhood to find that aha moment where something clicked about the person you would become, the values you uphold, and the reason you ended up doing what you do.
Identifying these elements can help individuals gain a deeper understanding of their motivations and drive and uncover the core values and beliefs that guide their actions and decisions.
Storytelling as a Bridge to Connect Teams, Clients, and CommunitiesThere is no denying the profound impact of storytelling in its diverse forms and its ability to forge deep connections with others. Once you have honed your story, the key to effectively conveying it to your audience is to first instill it within your team. You may be very intentional with your agency’s story if you don’t ensure everyone on your sales team knows and believes in that story. It risks being lost in translation when they seek to convey it to clients.
Storytelling can be a powerful tool for building empathy and understanding and by sharing personal experiences and perspectives, agency owners can create connections with others and foster a sense of community. This can be especially important in today's fast-paced and often disconnected world, where people seek that sort of connection and recognition in others’ stories.
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Are you planning to buy an agency as a growth strategy? Or, do you want to make your agency attractive to potential buyers? Today’s guest started his agency journey by buying an agency as an exit from his previous career in venture capitalism. He purposely sought out agencies, seeing them as cash flow machines. He looks back on that process and offers some valuable pointers and considerations for agency owners looking to buy or sell an agency in the near future.
Nick Fraunfelder is the owner and CEO of Sure Oak Digital Marketing, an agency specializing in SEO, link building, paid media, and analytics. He shares his journey of buying a digital agency and transitioning from a career in venture capital to becoming a business owner. Despite skepticism from friends, his passion for revenue conversations, desire for freedom, and dictating his own future have led him on a highly successful path.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Using the MED framework for a successful agency acquisition.
Recasting expenses to unlock hidden agency value.
Escaping the agency sales trap.
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Why a Digital Agency Acquisition Makes Sense on PaperNick's decision to purchase a digital agency in 2022 raised eyebrows among his friends, who considered it a risky move in a fiercely competitive industry. However, having spent years in venture capital, making bold investments in high-risk assets, and serving as a CRO with reporting responsibilities to investors and boards, Nick found it liberating to have the autonomy to chart his own course and pursue his passion.
When it came time to choose what type of business he wanted to acquire, he immediately thought of an agency, which in his view was a cash flow machine with high client retention rates.
Nick’s thinking was that agencies typically operate on retainer contracts, offering ongoing services like SEO, paid advertising, and analytics. The predictability and stability of this recurring revenue model make digital agencies particularly appealing to potential buyers and investors.
He advises potential buyers to prioritize operational efficiencies. By recognizing and addressing these factors, buyers and investors can capitalize on the stability and predictability that digital agencies offer, ensuring a sound investment with long-term potential.
Maximizing an Agency’s Value by Focusing on Multiples, Earnings, and DebtThe way Nick makes money in acquisition deals is through a concept called M.E.D. (Multiples Expansion, Earnings Expansion, and Debt Paydown).
Multiples Expansion: If agency owners can expand their multiple by focusing on a niche, making their agencies more sticky, they’ll have better renewal rates and a better price in the market.
Earnings Expansion: For this, focus on increasing your bottom line and get rid of unnecessary expenses.
Debt Paydown: In his case, Nick did take on debt and set out to pay it in a certain amount of time. For instance, if he buys for $5 million, he would pay it off all in five years and sell it again for $5 million, effectively securing $5 million with minimal initial investment.
In his experience, agency owners can get a very good deal if they make themselves attractive by paying attention to these elements.
Unlocking Hidden Value by Recasting Agency ExpensesThe number one rule for Nick buying a business with debt was that the bank gets paid every month. He needed to make sure there was enough margin every month to both pay the bank back, make payroll, and finally, pay himself. This is where buyers should be aware of the importance of recasting expenses for better EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization).
Recasting expenses involves identifying and adjusting non-recurring or discretionary expenses that may not continue under new ownership. These expenses may include one-time investments, personal expenses, unnecessary overhead costs, or expenses related to activities that are not essential to the core operations of the business. Recasting these expenses will allow to improve the EBITDA, making the business more attractive to potential buyers and increasing its valuation.
In the context of a digital agency, recasting expenses can have a significant impact on the overall financial health of the business. For example, expenses related to marketing, operating costs, tools, or other non-essential expenditures can be identified and eliminated to improve the bottom line, leading to a higher valuation and potentially attracting more buyers or investors.
Uncovering an Agency’s Salesmouse TrapThe number one thing Nick looks for when thinking about how he could grow an agency after acquisition is what is their sales mousetrap. He considers the “sales mousetrap” as the processes and systems for attracting and converting the majority of their deals. Things he takes into consideration:
Is their revenue repeatable? What’s their churn rate? How many leads are they getting and what’s the close rate? This is crucial because if every deal they land is because of a CEO who goes to every conference and is well-known then there’s no “mousetrap” without that person.Many agency owners struggle to diversify their sales channels, often relying solely on their core expertise, such as SEO, and neglecting sales development. Consequently, numerous agencies grow primarily through referrals, which, while valuable, are not scalable. Eventually, agencies must invest in diverse inbound and outbound sales channels.
Real sales mousetrap metrics refer to the processes and systems in place that generate leads, convert them into sales, and ultimately drive revenue for the agency. By analyzing these metrics, agency owners can identify areas of strength and weakness in their sales processes, and make informed decisions on how to improve and optimize their sales performance.
A well-structured business with established processes, where the owner is not intricately involved in day-to-day operations, is more appealing to potential buyers, as it demonstrates the potential for further growth and development.
Lessons Learned from Acquisition Legal CounselOne of the biggest lessons Nick wants to pass on to future buyers is to get good legal counsel during the process and not let lawyers control the deal. According to him, good lawyers are there to scare you of everything that can go wrong in the deal. Unfortunately, they can also delay the process quite a lot. In his case, the process should have been straightforward but the lawyers involved made the process overly complicated, causing unnecessary delays and adding to the cost of the transaction.
His advice for both buyers and sellers is to have legal counsel who understands probabilities and can explain potential risks clearly and concisely. Instead of focusing on every possible worst-case scenario, attorneys should be able to assess the likelihood of these events occurring and advise their clients accordingly. In this case, the lawyer's insistence on minor details, such as a payroll cut-over glitch, unnecessarily prolonged the deal process and created unnecessary tension between the parties involved.
Look for attorneys who have experience in handling similar deals and understand the client's business structure and objectives. By having legal counsel who is familiar with the industry and the specifics of the transaction, potential roadblocks can be identified and addressed more efficiently, leading to a smoother and faster deal process.
The Importance of Understanding Deal Structures and Profit MarginsUnderstanding deal structures and profit margins is vital for agency owners looking to sell their businesses. Deal structures, such as all-cash offers or earn-outs, can significantly impact the amount of money received upfront and over time. Owners need to have realistic expectations about the value of their agency and the potential payout structure they may encounter during negotiations.
Profit margins also play a crucial role in determining the value of an agency. A healthy EBITDA margin can make the agency more attractive to potential buyers and help ensure a successful sale. By understanding their profit margins and financial health, agency owners can better position themselves for a successful acquisition and maximize their payout.
Overall, navigating deal structures and profit margins requires a combination of financial acumen, legal expertise, and strategic negotiation skills. Agency owners must carefully consider their options, work closely with legal and financial advisors, and maintain realistic expectations throughout the acquisition process.
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Are you seeking the best approach to train your sales team? Have you considered implementing a foot-in-the-door offer? Today’s featured guest reflects on past mistakes made while attempting to step away from sales, and shares a recent success could lead to a complete overhaul of the sales funnel, resulting in a tenfold increase in the closing rate. Tune in to hear about the journey from startup life to agency ownership and the creative acquisition strategy he’s using to become his own client and create the ultimate success story.
Jim Huffman is the CEO and founder of Growth Hit, a customer-centric growth marketing agency that specializes in technical marketing. He shares his journey of becoming an accidental agency owner, some lessons learned about building a sales team, and his careful approach to crafting a foot-in-the-door offer that could boost his agency’s sales funnel.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Lessons in crafting a successful agency team.
The Power of the Foot-in-the-Door Offer.
How to become your own client and create the ultimate success story.
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At the start of his career, Jim juggled marketing, creative, and sales for a couple of successful startups while also teaching marketing at General Assembly. As his reputation for delivering top-notch classes grew, so did the number of requests for his marketing expertise. This led him to take on freelance marketing projects, which eventually flourished into a full-fledged business.
Like many entrepreneurs, Jim faced the challenge of pricing his services when the freelance work started pouring in. Initially, he quoted a modest $500, thinking it was a great price. However, as he sat down to do the work and calculated the amount of hours it took, he realized he could have made more working at Dunkin Donuts. That was his first lesson in raising agency prices.
An Agency Owner’s Journey from Salesman to Strategic LeaderThe realization that he needed to fire himself from sales was a pivotal moment in Jim’s entrepreneurial journey. After getting a taste of what it was to work on the business instead of in the business, he recognized the need to step back from certain roles to focus on higher-level strategic tasks that would drive the growth of the business.
Around this time, Jim's current partner interviewed for a junior role. Although he was overqualified for the position, he expressed his willingness to discuss other ways he could bring value to the agency, which eventually led to his appointment as COO. By hiring a COO specializing in conversion rate optimization, Jim saw the value of bringing in experts to take his agency to the next level. He quickly recognized the importance of not getting in the way and using that time to focus on other aspects of the business.
The process of firing yourself from various roles within the business can be challenging and uncomfortable. It requires letting go of control, trusting others to handle important aspects of the business, and investing time and resources into training and development. In Jim’s experience, once he started he quickly began looking for other roles where he could replace himself. He says the trick is to start small and work yourself up to what you feel will be most difficult to delegate, which in his case was sales. The key is to keep in mind you’re working to build a business where you’re not just another cog in the machine.
Missteps and Lessons in Crafting a Successful Agency Sales TeamA key aspect of success in firing himself from sales was Jim’s focus on building a strong sales team. However, it was not a seamless process and he acknowledges there were a few mistakes along the way. One notable misstep was hiring a salesperson without ensuring there was enough lead volume to support them. In hindsight, Jim recognizes this as a glaring oversight on his part as the business owner.
Additionally, he still didn’t understand the differences between different roles in the sales team, like what a hunter does versus a closer. He also hired people and provided them with the agency’s CRM, processes, and automation, instead of focusing on getting a solid sales script and making sure his new hires could close.
One specific challenge Jim has found while training his sales team to replace him is customers who want to have an in-depth conversation about aspects of their services that not every salesperson would understand.
In these cases, you don’t necessarily have to have a specialist. Instead, build these types of scenarios into your training. Some valuable strategies agency owners can implement include creating a repository of success stories that your sales team can reference during sales calls and offering a foot-in-the-door. This way, they’ll have valuable examples of past successes to demonstrate the agency's ability and get a little bit more into detail regarding how your agency would approach their particular challenge.
The Power of the Foot-in-the-Door OfferJim recently saw an encouraging success that has made him reconsider his entire pricing model to incorporate a foot-in-the-door strategy. His current sales funnel typically involves two calls, a conversion optimization assessment, and a monthly package priced at 10k. This process usually takes about 30 days to close.
However, Jim recently had a conversation with a potential client and, sensing their specific needs, he spontaneously offered a foot-in-the-door and managed to sell a smaller package within just 72 hours, a huge jump. Thus far, it is a one-case-only success, but the results are encouraging and worth exploring.
To create an effective a foot-in-the-door you should consider the following:
What’s the perceived value to the client?
Is it easy to create for the agency?
Does it lead to the logical next step?
Is it being co-created with the prospect?
Think about things you’re already doing and that you can slice off your core service and go through each of these items to come up with a valuable offer. Finally, remember the prospect is going through their own struggles and by providing a foot-in-the-door you are offering prospects the opportunity to address these questions with a smaller commitment, making the final decision a no-brainer for them.
Becoming Your Own Client and Crafting the Ultimate Success StoryOne innovative strategy Jim has been testing recently was leveraging profits from his agency to buy a B2C company that he could use as a model for approaching potential clients in the same industry. This unique approach allows agency owners to not only diversify their portfolio but also gain valuable insights and experience that can be applied to their core business.
This can provide a new revenue stream, access to a different customer base, and opportunities for cross-promotion and collaboration. In Jim's case, he identified an opportunity to acquire 50% of a client's company, enabling his agency to handle the marketing side and become their own client. This strategic move has doubled their thought leadership content, as they now create content around the newly acquired B2C company in addition to their existing content.
Acquiring a B2C company can be a great opportunity for agencies to gain valuable insights into customer behavior, marketing strategies, and product development, which can be applied to its offerings. Moreover, by showcasing the success and growth of the acquired company, agency owners can demonstrate their expertise and capabilities to potential clients, making it easier to secure new business. This strategy can also open up new opportunities for partnerships, collaborations, and joint ventures with other businesses in the industry.
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Are you making a mark in your specific niche? Have you taken the necessary steps to elevate your brand and attract your ideal customers? Our guest today, a seasoned agency owner with fourteen years of experience working with influencers believes these are areas where agencies could learn from influencers, who by heavily focusing on developing their brands can grow to compete with big brands that have historically overshadowed smaller competitors. Tune in to learn more about her agency’s approach to influencer marketing and why you should stop being a volunteer at your own agency.
Casey Benedict is the CEO and founder of Maverick Mindshare, an influencer marketing agency with over 14 years of experience in the industry. Casey shares insights on working with influencers, emphasizing the importance of expertise, processes, safeguards, and quality assurance; she also talks about learning to delegate and the importance of finding your zone of genius and staying in that lane as a way for owners to always stay in touch with the parts of the business they most enjoy.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Using influencer collaborations to grow your agency.
What agencies can learn from influencers.
Changing your mindset from volunteer to visionary.
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Being the Bridge for Brands and Influencer MarketingCasey's journey into the world of influencer marketing began with her own experience as a home baker and blogger. She was inspired by the community of food bloggers and the potential for brands to leverage their influence. This experience led her to a blogger retreat, where she observed the challenges faced by bloggers and PR agents in collaborating effectively. It also sparked the idea of becoming the bridge between bloggers and brands — and her agency was born.
Through her agency, Casey has successfully facilitated mutually beneficial connections between influencers and brands, prioritizing the quality and authenticity of influencer campaigns.
In today's landscape, numerous influencers are rivaling major brands, such as Mr. Beast's Feastables competing with Hershey’s and Logan Paul's immensely popular energy drink. This presents a compelling opportunity for agency owners to tap into, enabling them to compete with the largest global agencies by elevating their brand.
Combining Agency Processes with the Human Elements of Influencer MarketingCasey's agency has been working with influencers for over 14 years and she disagrees with the common perception that influencers can be difficult to work with. Although she acknowledges this is likely due to her agency’s expertise and attention to processes.
She attributes this perception to the fact that influencers are human beings, with their unique personalities and perspectives. In traditional marketing, the focus is often on digital media buys or static content, whereas influencer marketing involves collaborating with real people who have the power to engage audiences authentically. This human element introduces a level of unpredictability and risk, but Casey believes that with the right processes and safeguards in place, these challenges can be mitigated.
How Clarity Plays a Role in Marketing Your AgencyOver the past fifteen years, influencers have shown us that by being authentic and true to themselves, they can compete against major corporations and make a significant impact in the industry. Likewise, it is crucial for agencies to elevate their brand and stand out boldly to compete against the biggest companies in the world.
Understanding your brand thoroughly can be a time-consuming process, but by defining core values and target audience, you can establish a strong foundation and set a clear direction for you and your team. This clarity not only guides your decision-making process but also helps you connect with your audience on a deeper level.
Agency owners often dedicate most of their time to helping their clients and overlook the need to focus on their own business. Casey has also faced this challenge, but she recognizes the importance of building a brand that resonates with people.
Imposter syndrome, self-doubt, or fear of judgment are just some of the reasons holding agency owners back when it comes to sharing their thoughts and ideas with the world. Despite the plethora of opinions on social media about how to build a brand, putting yourself out there requires courage, vulnerability, and a willingness to take risks.
Overcoming these barriers demands starting small, embracing unique strengths, and gradually expanding their presence, enabling agency owners to overcome their fears and establish themselves as confident thought leaders in their industry.
Changing Your Mindset from Volunteer to VisionaryAt one point in her agency’s growth, Casey had to ask herself if she wanted to be a non-profit or a CEO, based on the tasks she was taking on. Her day-to-day was filled with things she should’ve been delegating and it felt like she was doing volunteer work for her agency, rather than stepping into the role of a CEO.
It is crucial to prioritize tasks that hold greater value and impact for your agency, rather than becoming entangled in smaller, less significant tasks that could be assigned to others. If you find yourself falling into this pattern, categorize tasks as $10, $100, or $1000 tasks to swiftly identify and prioritize those that will significantly impact your agency's growth and success. By delegating, you can entrust tasks to someone who will approach them with a level of enthusiasm that you may not possess, yielding superior results.
Doing $10 tasks may create a sense of productivity, but once you really look into it, you can pay someone to take care of that giving yourself time to tackle the bigger tasks. It’s about building your agency around your life, your values, and the things you want to do. This way, you build a stronger organization and attract more of the right people.
Likewise, agency owners may feel unprepared to invest in growth, but according to Casey, it is essential to adopt the mindset that your agency is equipped to handle expanded business and growth. Taking the necessary steps to support this growth, whether by hiring additional team members, investing in marketing, or expanding services, is crucial for sustained success.
What Do You Do Best? Staying True to Your StrengthsPart of getting to a point where you’re effectively delegating tasks across your team is embracing diversity in team dynamics. As an agency owner, it's important to recognize that not everyone will approach tasks the same way you do, and that's perfectly fine. Embracing a team with diverse skills, personalities, and working styles is essential for the success of any organization. This diversity can lead to increased efficiency, creativity, and overall success.
Realizing this took the animus out of team differences for Casey, as she was able to embrace diversity in team dynamics and understand each team member's strengths and weaknesses. By recognizing what each individual excels at and what they may struggle with, agency owners can delegate tasks more effectively.
Casey encourages agency owners to find what they do best and let that guide them. There’ll be many voices wanting to tell you what’s best, which KPIs to follow, and what to focus on so make sure you touch base with that zone of genius as much as you can.
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Are you considering narrowing your focus in the near future, or do you prefer to retain the flexibility to take advantage of growth opportunities in specific sectors? Our featured guest established a PR agency by recognizing the potential to connect forward-thinking companies with journalists. In the current uncertain economic climate, she opts for diversification and maintains the agility of her agency to capitalize on the expansion of emerging sectors. Gain insights into her journey of building a PR agency that harnesses technology to enhance brand visibility, her pivotal moments in realizing the agency's success, her strategies for solidifying its growth, and the ongoing learning curve inherent in the agency's evolution.
Amy Jackson is the founder of TaleSplash, a PR agency focused on effectively helping startups and emerging brands. She shares her journey from working in corporate PR to starting her own agency, discusses the role of the media in times of change, and explains how the agency is using AI to efficiently connect journalists with relevant sources and products.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The power of versatility and adapting to economic shifts.
Getting beyond the $ million mark.
Why growing an agency is a continued learning experience.
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The Art of Brand Elevation and Media MatchmakingAfter a decade in the corporate world and navigating the challenges of the pandemic, Amy recognized the pivotal role of media in shaping people's understanding of the world. This realization sparked her vision of bridging innovative companies with journalists to promote their products. Serving as a matchmaker between clients and journalists, she has steadily expanded her agency, empowering founders to elevate their brand awareness and position themselves as valuable resources for journalists.
So far, her agency journey has been one of discovery. As much as one can prepare themselves, speak with other owners, and read about the experience, you won’t really know until you jump in and start your journey. Her first year with the agency was about building and creating. After that, each year has brought on new challenges as they grow, like staffing and learning to run the business profitably.
Overall, she always keeps in mind what clients want from her agency, which is coverage at big outlets, speak at conferences, and have people pay attention to what they represent as thought leaders to bring in more customers, investors, and have more credibility. This commitment to meeting client expectations is vital in the face of intense competition, ensuring the agency's ongoing relevance in the industry.
Building an Agency Team of ExpertsAmy first felt the momentum of her agency when she began enlisting the support of experienced individuals, enabling her to deliver top-notch services to her clients. She surrounds herself with people who have decades of experience. As a result, has been able to offer a diverse range of services and support to her clients, ultimately leading to their success.
Her team has helped multiple clients be recognized by the White House, brought into Senate hearings, and be a part of important conversations in the media. This level of support and expertise has added immense value to her clients and set her agency apart from others in the industry. All this is possible thanks to the team of experts she assembled.
The Power of Staying Versatile and Adapting to Economic ShiftsAmy cites the current economy as a key factor in why she hasn’t niched down her services. Amy’s agency needs to remain fluid during tough times while certain niches have their moment. Versatility makes it easier to focus on some key industries like AI, climate solutions, lifestyle brands, and health tech.
By diversifying, Amy can capitalize on growth opportunities in various sectors and mitigate risks associated with focusing solely on one industry while allowing her agency to adapt to changing economic conditions and industry trends, ensuring long-term sustainability and success.
Growth Strategies to Get Beyond the $2 Million MarkUp to this point, Amy has relied on personal networking to drive her business. She has explored various marketing channels such as lead generation, attending events and conferences to connect with other industry professionals, and has also received some referrals. However, the majority of her agency’s growth has been attributed to meeting people at events.
Typically, this approach can only take a business so far, usually up to the $2 million mark, before hitting a ceiling. This is because the potential to meet new prospects at events is limited. To surpass this point, it is essential to establish alternative channels for business growth. These channels are:
Inbound: This includes social media, podcasts, blogs, website, and ads as ways for the clients to find you and get to know you and your services before reaching out and becoming customers.
Outbound: Building an effective sales team with a clear target and a deep understanding of the ideal customer profile to actively pursue leads.
Strategic partnerships: A key component in any agency’s growth strategy. In her case, forming alliances with other businesses has helped her expand her agency’s reach, access new clients, and tap into new markets. Strategic partnerships also provide opportunities for collaboration, knowledge sharing, and mutual support, ultimately enhancing the agency's capabilities and competitiveness in the industry.
Grit, Growth, and GraceIn the world of PR, if you come from a traditional PR education and agency background, you won’t have any notion of sales and financial infrastructure. In Amy’s case, it’s something she’s had to learn on the fly as an entrepreneur and a focus of hers as her agency continues to grow.
The agency experience is all about continuous learning and overcoming challenges. As Guy Kawasaki explained in a past episode, looking back at his career he likes to break life up into thirds - grit, growth, and grace. This concept emphasizes the idea that learning is a lifelong process that involves embracing challenges, seeking growth opportunities, and remaining humble and open to new experiences and knowledge.
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Is your agency prepared for a strategic acquisition to accelerate its growth? What advantages does an acquisition offer compared to organic growth? Do you have the necessary resources to navigate the acquisition process while ensuring the continued growth of your agency? Our featured guest today will discuss his ongoing acquisition process, outlining his reasoning behind this move, sharing why this felt like the perfect moment for an acquisition, and how he kept his peace of mind during this time-consuming process.
Manish Dudharejia is the founder and CEO of E2M Solutions, one of the largest white label services agencies with clients all over the globe. Manish is a friend of the podcast who’s been on previously talking about big decisions agency owners need to make and sharing hiring tips for agencies.
On this occasion, he discusses the recent acquisition of a white label WordPress development company, adding over 80 new team members and 100 new agency clients to their existing roster. He explains the decision-making process behind choosing to acquire rather than solely build, emphasizing the need for rapid growth and expansion in serving over 300 agency clients globally.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Strategic acquisitions as a strategy for agency growth.
Acquisition vs. organic growth.
2 tests for cultural compatibility.
The Lion Framework.
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Strategic Acquisition as a Fast-Track to Agency GrowthManish has been building E2M for the past ten years and recently embarked on a new phase in his journey by adopting acquisition as a growth strategy. Why now? One of the key reasons was the ability to acquire clients and add new team members rapidly.
When it comes to rapid expansion, acquisition stands out as one of the most effective strategies for an agency. Manish had a clear objective to increase his agency's scale by around 50% over the next three years. While achieving this organically was not impossible, it would have been time-consuming and presented its own set of challenges, so an acquisition made sense.
By acquiring an existing company, E2M was able to instantly add 80+ new team members and over 100+ agency clients to its portfolio. This immediate influx of resources and clientele allowed E2M to scale up its operations significantly and achieve its growth goals much faster than if it had pursued organic growth strategies.
Ultimately, Manish’s goals of dominating his niche in a short amount of time required a big investment and he opted to make a big move that would take less time. This way, combining forces with another company in the same space allowed E2M to strengthen its market presence and establish itself as a dominant player.
The Biggest Appeal of an Agency AcquisitionFor Manish, the biggest appeal of an acquisition is that it’ll bring your agency new customers and especially new talent. Building a strong team is no small feat, and the process can be disheartening. However, acquiring a company with a skilled team already proficient in the area where Manish aims to expand can significantly expedite his agency's growth and heighten its chances of success.
Of course, is not as easy as finding a great team and adding them to your company. It's crucial to consider the cultural fit between the acquiring and acquired companies. Culture plays a pivotal role in the success of an acquisition. Misaligned cultures can lead to integration hurdles, increased employee turnover, and ultimately impede the success of the acquisition. Therefore, gaining a deep understanding of the company being considered for acquisition is essential. This understanding provides valuable insights into its operations, culture, team dynamics, and overall potential for success.
In Manish’s case, he knew exactly what to expect, having established an eight-year relationship with the owners of the acquired company that provided a clear understanding of its internal workings, team dynamics, and overall performance. This familiarity allowed for a smooth transition and integration of the new team into his agency.
Vetting Acquisition Targets: 2 Tests for Cultural CompatibilityThere are two big tests to pass before embarking on an acquisition process.
First off, ask yourself can you take an entire month off from the business and find it has grown when you come back?
The second test is for those who don’t have the luxury of having known the other company for many years and can attest to how they work. Do a test project with the company you’re planning on purchasing. This way, you can see first-hand how you would work together. Regarding this second step, Manish goes even further and prompts agency owners to ask themselves if they would invite the CEO of the company they want to purchase to have dinner at their home since most likely they will be a reflection of their company culture.
Finally, Manish also mentions the importance of having a strong leadership team in place before considering an acquisition. Two years ago, he wouldn’t have embarked on such a time-consuming endeavor as acquiring a business since he still didn’t have the proper support and was more involved in the day-to-day tasks in the business. Having a capable team supporting him through the integration process helped increase their chances of a successful acquisition.
The Lion Framework to Learn the Importance of Rest and DowntimeAgency owners often feel the pressure to maintain a constant 100% effort, fearing that any time off will lead to everything falling apart. In reality, taking time away is not just an opportunity to recharge, but also a chance to evaluate what's not working and what is, ensuring you have the energy to address any issues upon your return.
Moreover, your attitude and energy will dictate your team’s overall attitude to work. A pissed-off owner that hates their job will likely lead a frustrated and exhausted team that lacks initiative. This is why Manish takes his time off seriously. After removing himself from day-to-day operations, he enjoyed a freedom he hadn’t seen in years.
However, the acquisition process brought him back to 18-hour workdays and numerous critical decisions. During this time, he made a point to take daily walks, giving himself the opportunity to recharge and gain the clarity needed to face the next day's challenges.
According to Manish's Lion Framework, which he shared at a recent mastermind event, taking time for self-care is not a luxury but a necessity. Rest time is crucial not only for personal health but also for sustaining productivity and creativity as a business owner. It serves as a vital tool in preventing burnout, maintaining mental clarity, and enhancing overall well-being. In this sense, Manish emphasizes the importance of surrounding oneself with a supportive team and community that offers encouragement, guidance, and assistance during difficult periods.
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Do you run a virtual agency or a more traditional in-office business? It all comes down to what suits your and your team’s work style, and one agency owner has found a way to incentivize in-office days. She also shares the lessons learned after two big clients left within weeks of each other. This feature guest has constantly been evolving and adapting to change. She shares her reasons for being an advocate for the collaborative and innovative environment that comes with a shared physical workspace. She also shares the challenges she has faced that forced her to diversify her client roster and empower her team to be independent.
Sarah Segal is the CEO and founder of Segal Communications, a public relations, social media, and influencer marketing agency that specializes in crafting communication strategies spanning the events, hospitality, and food niche. She shares her journey from broadcast journalism to accidental agency ownership. Sarah also talks about why she established a hybrid agency show where she encourages her staff to go to the office, and the decision to resize her agency and diversify their client roster.
In this episode, we discuss:
An innovative approach to promoting office culture.
Adaptability and resilience when big clients leave.
Building a self-reliant agency team.
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Going from Broadcast Journalist to Accidental PR Agency OwnerSarah began her career as a broadcast journalist in New York City, first working behind the scenes for various networks before transitioning to an on-camera reporter. However, her move to San Francisco marked a significant turning point in her life. While covering a particularly harrowing story, Sarah, now a new mom, found herself unable to desensitize herself from such distressing content. This realization prompted her to pivot her career path.
This new stage of her career involved moving into PR and working starting in in-house positions before eventually moving to an agency, where she reunited with an old college friend who first presented the idea of starting an agency together. Sarah was working a couple of freelance gigs and a particular opportunity to launch a resort in Sun Valley, Idaho offered the perfect chance for the agency’s first gig.
Following her partner's departure for an in-house role, Sarah has successfully operated as a solo agency owner ever since.
An Innovative Approach to Promote In-Office CultureSarah, a forward-thinking advocate of new technologies and platforms, initially established her business as a virtual agency even before the pandemic. However, as she began to expand her team with freelancers and staff, she quickly recognized the irreplaceable value of in-person communication within her PR agency. Face-to-face interactions and fostering a sense of community in the workplace were paramount to her.
While her team had become accustomed to remote work, Sarah sought to strike a balance between virtual and physical presence. She carefully selected an office space that felt like a home away from home and introduced amenities such as work slippers. Furthermore, she implemented mandatory office days for all staff members. She created a point-based reward system for additional days in the office. Points are cashed info things like extra PTO, high-end headphones, and even international travel.
This way, days at the office don’t have to feel like punishment for her staff and she is leaving room for them to spend extra days of the year there at their choosing. This not only fosters a sense of community and camaraderie among team members but also allows for more spontaneous and creative interactions that can lead to better collaboration and idea generation.
When Big Clients Leave: A Lesson in AdaptabilityEvery entrepreneur is cautious about how they move ahead with growing a company. Throughout the years, Sarah has received all types of advice about what not to do with her agency, and, by heeding this advice, she successfully expanded her client base, securing several major accounts. However, when the agency lost two of those clients in six weeks, Sarah had to start making tough decisions to stay afloat.
Unfortunately, this meant she had to lay off part of her staff leaving her feeling terrible, yet also relieved about being able to make payroll. This experience served as a poignant lesson that she hopes never to repeat.
Since losing those clients, Sarah has restructured her agency to diversify their portfolio. Now, her agency does not focus solely on big clients and has a range of small and mid-size clients. This way, if any of those clients depart, it has no impact on her P&L. By spreading out the risk across multiple clients, the business owner was able to protect their bottom line and ensure financial security moving forward.
Furthermore, diversifying clients also opens up opportunities for new business relationships and partnerships. By working with a range of clients, the business can expand its network and potentially tap into new markets and industries. This can lead to increased revenue streams and a more stable financial foundation for the business.
Cultivating Independence by Building a Self-Reliant Agency TeamAs your agency grows and you bring in new team members, you'll find that your role shifts to that of a leader who nurtures and develops others. It becomes essential to empower them to embrace your vision and handle challenges independently. By doing so, you can free yourself from the pressure of making every decision.
When you invest in training a proficient team, they become equipped to tackle any obstacle, allowing you to step back from being involved in every single decision. For instance, Sarah entrusts her team to handle minor decisions and seek guidance for major issues. It's not about her making the final call, but rather ensuring that all written materials leaving the agency are reviewed by a second party.
Her team knows to come prepared with multiple options when seeking her input, akin to the 1-3-1 rule recommended for mastermind members. By teaching your staff to consider various solutions and choose the best one, they can gradually take charge of decision-making.
For Sarah, one of the most important things is that her team keeps her up to date about the temperature of each client. Unfortunately, she also thinks temperature checks are something people don’t necessarily learn until they’ve had the experience of getting that call from a client who is leaving. As an agency owner, patience is key as your team gains the necessary experience, ultimately surpassing your expectations.
Only by adopting this mindset of letting go of small tasks that your team can handle on their own can agency owners finally let go of some of the things they used to do and start doing the things no one else can do.
Shaping the Agency’s Client Communication StrategyAs someone who runs a communications and PR agency, Sarah has seen with concern that most agencies have a very close-to-the-vest approach to how they handle their media. These agencies won’t give clients access to the emails and connections they have and keep those as their value.
According to Sarah, the primary reason clients seek her agency's services is the time and effort it saves them. She and her team handle tasks that clients simply don't have the bandwidth for. This understanding has shaped her client communication strategy, emphasizing transparency.
Sarah prioritizes open and honest communication with her clients, sharing media lists, expenses, and other pertinent information. This commitment to transparency not only fosters trust but also ensures that clients are well-informed and aligned with the agency's goals and objectives.
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What does it take to be truly remarkable? Do you struggle with imposter syndrome? Even uber-successful entrepreneurs like Guy Kawasaki have had those moments. Transitioning from corporate giants like Apple, Inc. to crafting a legacy of remarkability, he has devoted the latter part of his career to unraveling the essence of extraordinary achievements and the secrets of remarkable personalities.
Learn more from Guy Kawasaki’s reflections on navigating the dichotomy of being undervalued and overvalued throughout his career, his unwavering commitment to paying it forward, and his enduring quest to craft a legacy that transcends generations.
Guy Kawasaki is a world-known marketer, author, speaker, and podcaster whose career has lately focused on empowering and inspiring people to reach their full potential. His expertise spans innovation, entrepreneurship, and social media, and he has worked with esteemed clients such as Apple, Nike, Audi, Google, and Microsoft. Currently serving as the Chief Evangelist at Canva, he is fervently committed to helping people become extraordinary through his latest book. Learn about his fascinating life story and insights on career progression and personal growth.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
What is an evangelist and how does it relate to marketing?
Overcoming self-doubt and hidden benefits of imposter syndrome.
Guy’s advice on growing a successful marketing agency.
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Sponsors and ResourcesE2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.
The Evolution of Success: an Entrepreneur’s Career in ThirdsThroughout his career, Guy has experienced the spectrum of financial success, from feeling undervalued in the early stages to being pleasantly surprised by the substantial offers he received later on. Now, he views his career path in thirds. For the first third of his career, he felt underpaid for his accomplishments. However, in the second third of his life, he found himself being offered significant sums of money for his work. He knew how much he wanted but was surprised to see people were willing to pay that sum. Now, in the final third of his life, he is financially stable and focused on giving back.
Looking back on his journey, he reflects on the importance of not having everything handed to him as a way to build character and resilience. He had to work hard, prove himself, and continually strive for more to reach the level of success he has achieved, something for which he is now thankful.
With such an interesting and successful career, Guy now aims to leave a legacy of empowering others, which he actively pursues through his podcast and writing, solidifying his commitment to positively impacting people's lives.
Chief Evangelism Officer: Spreading the Word on InnovationGuy is currently the Chief Evangelist at Canva, a position he previously held at Apple as well. According to the definition of evangelism, this means he is dedicated to spreading the good news about products that can benefit others, emphasizing their value in enhancing creativity, productivity, and communication.
To him, evangelism goes beyond traditional sales tactics because it’s about genuinely believing in the value of what you are promoting and wanting to share that value with others. It is about making a positive impact on the lives of others by introducing them to something that can improve their quality of life.
Whether it is through promoting a product that enhances creativity or sharing a personal success story, spreading the good news can have a ripple effect, encouraging others to pursue their own goals and dreams. This is why being an evangelist is very close to his heart and something that influences the rest of the work he does.
Overcoming Self-Doubt and Finding the Hidden Benefit of Imposter SyndromeThinking back on his career, Guy reflects on the things that held him back at times and finds that most people are held back by their mindset. You can have people in your life who don’t believe in you and, as much as it sucks it’s also a relatively easy thing to ignore as long as you believe in yourself. However, if you don’t believe in yourself, then that’s a real problem.
In his experience, this kind of mentality can slow your progress, as it did for him back when he was writing his first book. Filled with self-doubt, he wondered if he had what it took to publish a book. Thankfully, he was able to overcome this by realizing that he didn't need external validation or permission to pursue his passion. It’s a thinking he carries with him and advises anyone to adopt, whether they wish to write a book, make a movie, or try anything new.
Doubts about one's capabilities often stem from imposter syndrome, a common feeling of inadequacy experienced in new or challenging situations. However, Guy asserts that imposter syndrome can signify awareness and humility, catalyzing growth, rather than a barrier to success. He contrasts this with entitlement syndrome, emphasizing that while imposter syndrome can be overcome and lead to personal development, entitlement is counterproductive to growth.
Guy’s Advice on Growing a Successful Marketing AgencyThe most impactful companies in history are those that continually revisit their customers' preferences and adapt to industry innovations. They go back and ask what it is their customers most enjoy about the product they offer and adapt using new technologies. According to Guy, Kodak could have realized they were in the preserving memories business instead of the chemicals and film business and pivoted to adapt to that new technology.
Likewise, successful agencies must keep ‘working backward’ and never lose sight of what it is clients want and how they can help them. Moreover, the best agencies are the ones that can solve the biggest problems the fastest. For instance, agencies that integrate AI into their services and embrace new technologies outperform their competitors. This forward-thinking approach ensures agencies remain relevant and capable of addressing clients' most pressing challenges.
The Paradox of Remarkability and the True Path to a Remarkable CareerIn his latest book, Think Remarkable, Guy delivers a practical and sometimes radical discussion on how to transform your life and make a difference. It is an extension of the work he has done on his podcast Remarkable People, where he has interviewed the likes of Jane Goodall and Marc Benioff. Through his conversations with high achievers, he shares valuable insights on how to become remarkable.
First off, as counterintuitive as it may sound, Guy’s #1 advice to creating a remarkable career is not striving for remarkability. To him, the real way to be remarkable is by striving to make a difference. People like Jane Goodall didn’t stop to think how she could get people to think she was remarkable. She just went ahead and did remarkable things. The natural outcome of adopting this mindset is that you don’t need to position yourself as a visionary; people just conclude that you are.
In today's rapidly changing world, where technology and artificial intelligence are transforming industries and job markets, the importance of making a difference becomes even more crucial.
So how can agencies be in the game long enough to make a difference and find success? From his experience in tech, Guy’s advice is to keep throwing stuff at the wall and be ready to highlight your success. “One thing Silicon Valley is very good at doing is declaring victory and hiding defeat”, he says jokingly. He acknowledges that navigating the path to success in business is often humbling and emphasizes the importance of perseverance and resilience.
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Have you considered the potential for growth through a strategic acquisition? How do you anticipate the agency owner's role evolving during an acquisition process? What steps can be taken to ensure a seamless integration once the deal is finalized? Our featured guest today has undergone a significant transformation, transitioning from white label to a more comprehensive service offering and shifting from project-based to retainer-based services. Now, she embarks on a new journey for her agency as she navigates a strategic acquisition. Tune in to hear about the evolution of her career and what she’s learned about setting the course for a smooth agency transition and post-acquisition planning.
Leah Messina is the founder and CEO of Sinuate Media, a full-service digital marketing agency that works as equal parts data analytics, creative genius, and strategic mastermind for its clients. Leah recounts her transition from the entertainment industry to establishing her own agency in New Mexico, highlighting key milestones such as the shift to a retainer model and the expansion of services through a strategic acquisition.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
The downside of the white label model.
Shifting to a retainer model.
Seeking to grow through a strategic acquisition.
Post-acquisition planning and integration.
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From White Label to Reinvention: Adapting to Market ShiftsLeah always wanted to have her own business and, after working in digital publishing and working at a small digital agency, she fell in love with this evolving industry and felt drawn to the emerging technology.
Leah's agency opened for business in 2006 and initially operated as a white label agency, providing services to larger media agencies who would then resell them to clients. While this arrangement allowed her team to work on prestigious projects, it also relegated them to the background, handling the day-to-day marketing tasks and creative execution.
The economic downturn revealed the drawbacks of the white label model, with clients delaying payments and seeking to internalize services. This shift led to a substantial loss of business, as white label clients accounted for approximately 70% of their revenue at the time.
Determined to overcome this setback Leah thought about some of the requests they sometimes got from customers, and identified an opportunity to diversify their services.
The shift was not easy, as it meant redefining the agency's business model and finding new ways to generate revenue. By embracing it, she showcased her willingness to embrace change and steer the agency towards a more sustainable and diverse future.
Transitioning to a Retainer Pricing ModelAs she reevaluated her service offering, Leah also started thinking about the direction of the business and making strategic changes to adapt to the evolving needs of clients and the industry, which included a shift from project-based work to retainers.
With projects, the focus was on delivering work efficiently and quickly, while retainers required building long-term relationships and serving as advisors to clients. This shift necessitated more integration with clients, being involved in early conversations, and offering solutions to operational issues that could impact marketing efforts.
During this transition, Leah’s agency was able to keep some key clients who were in the process of launching new businesses, which was a definite win. Apart from that, attracting new clients and retaining existing ones demanded additional sales efforts, such as public speaking and marketing training.
One of the primary challenges encountered in this shift to retainer-based work was persuading clients accustomed to giving orders to seek advice instead, which took positioning themselves as trusted advisors by showcasing their expertise. Additionally, Leah's team had to find a balance between providing valuable resources and not undermining the positions of marketing directors or CMOs.
Charting a New Course for Growth with a Strategic AcquisitionAfter two years of putting a heavy focus on the sales side of the business, Leah has been able to step away from the day-to-day operations and the role of project manager. Now she’s focusing on the business development side.
Looking ahead, her plans for the agency include integrating AI into their work and expanding through acquisition, specifically a web development company to enhance their services and capabilities further. In terms of fit, Leah focused on cultural fit, niche expertise, profitability, and the retention of key personnel as the main features to ensure a smooth transition. She also looked for an agency with a good process that didn’t require immediate huge changes. This way, they could just get to work and optimize it over time.
Right now, her mayor concern is how to integrate the teams and manage client expectations. In some cases, this requires keeping the acquisition a secret from clients for a period during the transition. By maintaining continuity and gradually introducing changes, businesses can mitigate potential concerns and ensure a positive experience for all parties involved.
Post-Acquisition Planning and Navigating IntegrationDuring the acquisition process, Leah has learned the importance of good documentation and having a solid set of books and proper records when considering buying a company. Without accurate and comprehensive documentation, it becomes challenging to justify the acquisition and make informed decisions about the business's financial health and potential for growth.
Agency owners can run into a few gotchas once the past owners leave and the hard part starts with the integration so it’s important to ensure the sellers are coming from a place of transparency and accuracy in financial reporting.
Finally, being very conscious of the need for ongoing business development and strategic planning post-acquisition, Leah is now thinking about developing new retainer opportunities. This will involve taking a fresh look at the industry after the acquisition and finding new opportunities to establish a business that drives recurring revenue and complements its existing services.
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Are you the bottleneck in your own agency's growth? Does the weight of every decision rest on your shoulders, leaving you overworked and your team underutilized? This guest is a successful agency owner who found himself in the industry after being laid off during the global economic crisis. He turned this setback into an opportunity and started his own business. However, as the agency expanded, he realized he was hindering progress. He had to shift away from the superhero mindset and empower his team to move forward. Tune in to learn how unexpected events can lead to new beginnings and the importance of seizing opportunities.
Irwin Hau is a successful entrepreneur running two agencies: Chromatix, an agency focused on stunning web design that drives users to engage faster; and ConversionCow, a SaaS focused on lead conversions. He shares his journey from working at top ad agencies to starting his own businesses. Despite being made redundant during the Global Financial Crisis, Irwin took the opportunity to venture out on his own in a move that ultimately shaped his success in the business world.
In this episode, we discuss:
Unlocking agency potential by shedding the superhero mentality.
Rethinking agency roles.
The Lion Framework.
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Going from Redundancy to ResilienceThe global financial crisis of fifteen years ago was a pivotal moment for Irwin. Despite having worked at the top two agencies in Melbourne and loving his job, he found himself made redundant – a harsh reality that could have easily crushed his spirit. However, Irwin's philosophy was simple: life's too short to wallow in self-pity, and true character is revealed in how one picks himself up.
Instead of giving up, he seized this unexpected turn of events as an opportunity to pursue his long-harbored entrepreneurial dreams. Yet, as any business owner knows, the path to success is rarely a straight line. He faced challenges, struggled to find clients, and had to take on low-paying projects just to keep the business afloat. However, his passion for making websites fueled his resilience and he continued to push forward.
This unwavering passion fueled Irwan’s resilience, enabling him to push forward despite the obstacles. To him, true resilience isn't merely about bouncing back from failure; it's about adapting, growing, and thriving in the face of challenges. It's a mental toughness and determination to keep going, even when the road ahead seems insurmountable.
Shedding the Superhero Mentality to Unlock Agency PotentialIrwin understood at some point he was becoming the bottleneck at his agency. Everything had to go through him and the first step to solving that was learning to let go.
His initial reluctance to delegate stemmed from a fear of losing control and a belief that he was the only one who could do things the right way. However, as he reflected on his own mindset and the impact it was having on his team and his business, he recognized holding onto this mentality was hindering growth and limiting the potential of his team.
Ultimately, he was working more hours and was constantly tired. The fact that everyone came to him for everything slowed the overall process. Instead of being the central figure, he should’ve been the one bringing superstars together to build something great. The more he was tying himself to every project, the harder it was to scale. In the end, people didn’t necessarily want “Irwin’s results,” they wanted the results Irwin’s team got.
Ask yourself which “line” your agency is currently on:
1. Unfocused line
2. Emergency line
3. Table lineWhenever you find yourself in the emergency line, remember the easiest job in the world is the hardest to do by yourself. Yet, the hardest job can become the most rewarding when you have a team to support you. Trust in your team and rely on them to help you get through the emergency line(s).
Rethinking Agency Roles: Is Someone Else the Better Leader?Once he decided to address the bottleneck situation, Irwin called his team. Following the “important and urgent matrix,” he instructed them to take care of all important and urgent tasks themselves while deciding what to delegate, delay, or eliminate from the rest.
They also conducted an exercise where mentally every member of the team, including himself, was fired. Then they wrote down who they needed and wanted on the team based on their overall goals and whether they were the right fit for the role.
This exercise can help agency owners not only assess the team but also whether they are the best suited to lead the team or if someone else could be doing a better job. Once you let go of your ego, you may find that delegating most of your workload would greatly improve the overall process so you can get to a place where your team can deliver amazing results without your involvement at any stage of the process. This way, you’ll be closer to the goal of sticking to the parts of the business you really enjoy and reducing working hours.
The Lion Framework for Being Productive Rather Than Being BusyMost agency owners start their business to do something they’re passionate about while creating more freedom for themselves. However, they often go from being a slave to someone else to being a slave for themselves. During this year’s Elevate event, mastermind member Manish Dudharejia, Founder and CEO of E2M, spoke about the Lion framework. He drew parallels between the hunting habits of lions and the need for agency owners to emulate their balanced approach to work and rest.
It is okay to rest and space out. Don’t fill your day up with activity so you don’t feel lazy and unproductive. Whenever you’re not working you’re exercising or thinking you’ll end up burned out and never have the time to think about the things you need to think about.
Just because you’re moving doesn’t mean you’re going forward, so think about being productive rather than being busy. Being busy all day is not a guarantee that you’re actually being productive and getting things done.
Leaning on Your Agency Experience to Empathize with Your ClientsFor Irwin, the biggest success in his career has been starting a business and seeing it through, despite challenges and uncertainties. Turning what was just an idea into a business didn’t happen overnight, but with dedication and perseverance, he was able to build something.
He encourages agency owners to move forward and try, even when faced with obstacles and setbacks. Success is not just about hitting financial goals or being acquired by another company, but about following through with your ideas and commitments.
Moreover, by going through the process of getting from idea to actual business agency owners are better able to understand and relate to clients who come to them for help in designing and building their businesses. This empathy allows them to provide more accurate guidance and support, based on their own experiences and lessons learned.
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Have you ever felt like a broken record with your team? Do you find yourself repeating the agency's goals and vision, only to be met with glazed-over expressions? Have you effectively communicated the agency’s direction and vision? It’s a common struggle for agency owners to feel they’re desperately trying to rally the troops behind a unified purpose, yet somehow missing that elusive "click" of genuine understanding and buy-in. Today’s guest is a specialist in the art of leadership alignment and how to foster authentic goal comprehension that permeates every level of your organization. Learn how leaders can achieve authentic goal understanding by talking, not just telling, and invest in aligning their teams to the business's direction for success.
Julie Williamson is the managing partner at The Karrikins Group, a small boutique consultancy focused on helping leaders align and deliver on shared goals. She discusses the need for clear and easy-to-articulate goals, highlighting that repetition does not equate to clarity, and stresses the importance of engaging in productive conversations with team members to ensure understanding and alignment.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Fostering authentic goal understanding among your agency team.
Making sure the path toward the goal is clear.
Navigating trade-offs and unified execution with your team.
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How Leaders Can Foster Understanding of Agency GoalsAs a specialist particularly interested in executive engagement, Julie works with business owners that are having a hard time aligning with their teams to pursue a common goal.
It could happen that they haven’t really defined said goals but often business owners make the mistake of assuming that clarity is measured in volume – the more they repeat or emphasize a goal, the more likely their team will understand and align with it. However, this is not how alignment works. This approach often falls short because it fails to engage employees in productive conversations that help them truly grasp the goals and their significance.
One of the things she encourages in these cases is to talk, not tell, when it comes to setting and communicating goals. Leaders need to invest in meaningful conversations with team members to ensure they not only understand the goals but also feel connected to them on a personal level. By involving employees in discussions about the goals, leaders can help them internalize the objectives and understand the impact of their work on achieving them.
One of the key aspects of engaging in these conversations, as Julie explains, is ensuring that team members can articulate the goals in their own words and understand the underlying drivers behind them. This deeper level of understanding will allow them to make informed decisions and choices that align with the shared outcomes.
Bridging Individual Roles to the Overarching PurposeTo ensure each team member understands and works towards a common goal there must be consistency in how every member is contributing to the overall goal.
Just because the goal is clear it doesn’t guarantee that the way to the goal is clear. Each individual may have a different perspective on how to achieve the goal based on their role and responsibilities within the organization.
Therefore, leaders must clearly articulate the goal and ensure everyone understands what it means in the context of their own work. Otherweise, different employees may end up having their own interpretations of thegoal and behave differently in moments when they need to use their discretionary decision-making skills.
To address this challenge, leaders must create a shared understanding of the goal and how each individual's efforts contribute to it. This can be achieved through open communication, collaboration, and a clear alignment of roles and responsibilities. By fostering a culture of teamwork and shared purpose, organizations can ensure that everyone is working towards a common goal in a coordinated and effective manner.
Empowering Leaders to Navigate Trade-Offs and Unified ExecutionAs a leader, try to look for people who share your core values because this is how to find the ones you don’t have to manage once you communicate the overall goals. This can be especially challenging once you start to scale. As you start hiring more people and getting more and more degrees of separation from the senior management, focus on building better leaders.
Invest as much in building leaders as in building technical skills because as your agency grows. You need strong leaders who can guide and inspire their teams towards achieving the core goals and growing in the same direction.
One of the key strategies Julie has been implementing is to encourage leaders to talk about trade-offs. Leaders often make decisions without fully understanding the trade-offs involved, which can impact the overall success of the organization. Even if they don’t fully realize it, leaders are making trade-offs with every decision they make; it may be profits vs. revenue, long term vs. short term, or reliability and predictability vs. variability and risk. Help your up and coming leaders understand the trade-offs and how to voice them because you may find their idea of what the trade-offs is different than the one you have.
Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.
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What do you think is holding you back from scaling your agency? Have you received coaching? And if you have, have you implemented their recommended measures? On today’s episode we talk about agency owners’ accountability and why reaching out for help can be useless unless you understand what you want. Scaling an agency is hardly something you can do independently. You’ll need support and community along the way. A lot of the times the most important step to growing is figuring out if you’re ready to change. Get ready for some hard truths and expert advice.
As Agency Scale Specialist on our team, Darby Copenhaver talks with hundreds of agency owners and finds a common thread when it comes to what’s holding them back from scaling their businesses. Seeking help is the first step, of course, but you’ll also need the right support and the willingness to make the necessary changes.
Many agency owners get as far as knowing to ask for help but then don’t follow through, ultimately rendering any investment in coaching useless. Tune in to see why showing up consistently is the most important thing you can to and how accountability and community play a big role in the journey of growing an agency.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Are you ready to accept help?
Showing up makes all the difference.
The agency transformation blueprint.
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Sponsors and ResourcesE2M Solutions: Today's episode of the Smart Agency Masterclass is sponsored by E2M Solutions, a web design, and development agency that has provided white-label services for the past 10 years to agencies all over the world. Check out e2msolutions.com/smartagency and get 10% off for the first three months of service.
The Roadblock to Agency Success: Are You Ready to Accept Help?More than once we’ve had agency owners contact our team saying they need help and then they can’t even clear an afternoon for a free call to talk about what’s getting in the way of their growth. If there’s something that has really surprised Darby is how many people are just not prepared to get help.
First, they need to recognize they want to change and get to a point where the pain of not changing is greater than the pain to change.
Agency owners need to be open to receiving support to progress. Not every form of assistance may be suitable for everyone, whether it's from a mentor, a coach, or a community. The real challenge lies in being receptive to help and taking the necessary actions to effect changes in their businesses.
In reality, a lot of agency owners feel they want to step up to the next level but don’t want to risk what they have. This means that whenever something doesn’t go according to plan they’ll falter and reject the help. On the contrary, hard periods are when you’ll need to invest the most, learn valuable lessons, and surround yourself with the right people rather than isolate yourself.
How Showing Up Propels Agency Owners ForwardPeople who actually make it to the top have some things in common:
They’re curious.
They’re humble.
Their outlook is that they’ll either win or learn.
The more comfortable you get with your agency the more you’ll feel you have to lose by trying something risky with the business. However, remember you can always start again as long as you have something to offer. How many agency owners do you think tanked their businesses because they tried something new? Not nearly as many as you may think.
Both Jason and Darby have repeatedly seen that the agency owners who consistently show up, put in the work, and follow through on their commitments are more likely to see positive results. By being consistent in their efforts and showing up for their team members and peers, they can build momentum and make progress toward their goals.
The Agency Transformation Blueprint: Clarity, Focus, and Finding Your TribeOnce you commit and are willing to make the necessary changes, you’ll need a clear idea of what you want, where you’re going, and a community.
Too many agency owners seem to be waiting for everything to fall into place magically but this just doesn’t happen. Running an agency is definitely more of a marathon than a sprint and you’ll have to learn to pace yourself and have a sense of where you’re going and what it is that you do really well that’ll get you there. If you were getting paid on performance only, who would you do it for? Who is it that you can help the most and deliver the most value to? That’s your starting point. Once you do that, it’s all about how to get your audience’s attention and find the right team to get you there.
Setting clear goals and knowing your direction is crucial for success and defining your target audience and focusing on delivering results will help you create a solid foundation for growth and development. This is where having a tribe or community to support you through the journey becomes super important. Whether it’s mastermind groups, networking events, or one-on-one interactions, find your tribe and actively engage with them. A community will help keep things in perspective and constantly challenge you to stay accountable to your goals and overall direction.
Turning Obstacles into Lessons and Finding Strength in CommunityThere will always be challenges and difficult times in business, but it is important to view these obstacles as opportunities for growth and learning. Agency life has many highs and lows, and understanding can help you develop resilience and adaptability to navigate through tough times.
In the agency industry, you’re either approaching the storm, in the storm or just got out of the storm. In any case, the storm is always there right around the corner. It doesn’t have to be something bad, a storm can be a pressure test and could help you see things you need to see.
Being part of a community can also help you realize everyone is growing at a different pace and that while not all years bring big wins, they all bring important lessons that will prepare you for an amazing year ahead. Furthermore, a year represents a very short part of your agency journey and one bad year is not the end as long as you’re focusing on building the right foundation for your ultimate goal.
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Are you establishing genuine connections with your target audience and clients? Have you developed a compelling brand narrative that resonates with your audience to cultivate a dedicated following? Our featured guest today played a pivotal role in shaping the iconic brand identity of Red Bull, which has become a benchmark for creating captivating content. He shares Red Bull’s strategy for creating engaging content, the initial missteps he addressed regarding staffing decisions and much more. Learn from his diverse experiences in the agency space and his insight into creating brand fandom.
Geoffrey DeStefano is the founder and CEO of Brand Programming Studios, a strategic and creative content studio that bridges the gap between entertainment and marketing. Geoffrey is a seasoned professional with experience in both the advertising/marketing and entertainment/media industries. He shares insights from his time at Red Bull's media and creative agency during the brand's growth in North America. He discusses transitioning from the advertising business to the television industry and working on popular shows like Mad About You and Friends.
In this episode, we’ll discuss:
Keys to compelling brand stories.
Creating true connections to develop brand fandom.
Boosting agency performance through better leadership.
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Red Bull’s Playbook for Creating Engaging ContentGeoffrey left the ad business to work as a studio executive on shows like Mad About You and Dawson’s Creek when an old friend contacted him about an ailing agency that needed his expert advice. At that agency, he helped turn things around and became part of the team that made Red Bull a brand that pushed the limits by doing things differently.
One of the things they discussed when trying to establish Red Bull as a rebel and unique brand was leveraging entertainment content. They truly excelled at content creation, with a strong focus on pushing the limits and doing things differently. Years later, Red Bull has become a leader in the marketing space creating engaging and unique events that serve as content generators.
Red Bull's approach to content creation has set a strong playbook for other brands to follow. With Red Bull Media House, a separate entity focused on producing and distributing content, they’ve been able to monetize its marketing content, a strategy that has proven to be successful for the brand. By leveraging entertainment content for the brand, Red Bull has engaged with consumers in a meaningful way and created a strong connection with its audience. With this, they’ve been able to build a loyal fan base and establish itself as a leader in the industry by thinking outside the box and taking risks.
3 Keys to Crafting Compelling Brand StoriesBrands can tell wonderful stories that resonate with their audience and create a lasting impact. How can you guide them to discovering these stories? For Geoffrey, there are three very important aspects:
Talk to clients about giving their marketing a sense of purpose. It has to be informative, engaging, or entertaining or no one will pay attention to it.
Influencer marketing is like word of mouth on steroids. It may not be seen as authentic as when it first exploded but it’s very effective and there’s a way to do it right. As a brand, don’t give up control of how your product will be presented, and make sure to search for influencers who line up with your brand.
Driving fandom. Fandom goes way beyond just liking a brand. It has to do with creating passion and loyalty for that brand. Building fandom through brand passion involves creating a strong emotional connection with consumers. If you can find a way to create the level of fandom that saved brands like Apple and Jeep, you’ll have an audience that can get you through hard times.
Personal Interaction as a Powerful Tool to Create ConnectionPersonal interaction is a key component in building relationships and fostering loyalty in business. It is particularly relevant in the agency world, especially in the context of building and maintaining client relationships.
This is where a podcast becomes a powerful tool agency owners can use to create a personal connection with clients and prospects. By sharing insights, thoughts, and expertise through a podcast, they can showcase their personality and expertise, allowing clients to get to know them on a deeper level. This personal connection can lead to stronger relationships and increased loyalty from clients.
Once you’ve established yourself as an expert, you won’t need to pitch. You’ll be invited to projects and assess whether or not your agency would be a good fit with the brand but you won’t be asked to compete for the company’s attention.
Boosting Agency Performance Through Amazing Leadership and TrustAgencies go through several inflection points while growing their teams and clientele. At some point what worked before won’t be as effective and you have to adapt. When he came in as an expert consultant to help Red Bull grow as a brand, Geoffrey noticed a need to improve communications and how the team was staffed.
If you’re having similar problems at your agency, look at your leadership team and see what you need to fix to ensure strong leadership at the top and set the tone for the entire organization. By ensuring that the leadership team consists of top performers, the rest of the team is more likely to follow suit and excel in their roles.
Geoffrey focuses on two main issues:
Effective communication. As he spent some time at the Red Bull offices, he noticed everyone spent their day emailing each other. This is a creative business and interaction is a very important part of sparking that creativity. So he shut off the email services for 48 hours to incentivize communication in their open-space office.
Trust as a form of empowerment. Geoffrey believes in giving people reign to innovate. This motivates people once they feel free to create and grow beyond their skill set. It’s not about giving up control but rather giving people the space to develop and grow.
Trusting Your Gut to Weed Out Toxic Team Members and Preserve MoraleAs human beings, we have innate instincts that can guide us in making decisions in difficult situations, which can apply when it comes to hiring and managing employees. Trusting your instincts and being able to act on them can prevent toxic individuals from negatively impacting the team and the organization as a whole.
Geoffrey encourages agency owners to use their instincts to stay vigilant and proactive in addressing issues within a team. One or two individuals with negative attitudes can bring down the morale of the entire team. As a manager or leader, it is crucial to recognize when someone is not the right fit for the team and take swift action. Delaying the decision to remove a toxic team member can lead to bigger problems down the line.
Do You Want to Transform Your Agency from a Liability to an Asset?Looking to dig deeper into your agency's potential? Check out our Agency Blueprint. Designed for agency owners like you, our Agency Blueprint helps you uncover growth opportunities, tackle obstacles, and craft a customized blueprint for your agency's success.
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