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Well, loyal Listener, it's finally here to hear...after 3 years of waiting, the final episode of What Do You Think About...?
In this, their last effort, Jim and John discuss a topic that merges each of their favorite subjects...UFOs and Cryptids!
Prepare yourself to learn of the Para-Apes...cryptic cryptids that just might be the pilots of those pesky UAPs people see...or maybe they're just the business-class passengers on these strange craftSources:
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Flying Saucer Review Vol. 41 No. 4, Winter 1996, Worley, Don, âExamining the Mystery of the âPara-Apesââ
The Journal Herald, âCentral Ohio Shares a Border with the Outer Limits,â by Bob Batz, September 14, 1985, page 21
Creatures of the Outer Edge, Jerome Clark & Loren Coleman, 1978
Silent Invasion: The Pennsylvania UFO-Bigfoot Casebook, Stan Gordon, 2010
http://www.strangemag.com/strangemag/strange21/unnaturalindiana/unnaturalindiana3bigfoot.html
https://www.gaia.com/article/ufos-bigfoot-evidence-interdimensional-connection -
Tulpas...sounds kind of like something on a Taco Bell menu, doesn't it? Well, it isn't!
Learn how to unleash the powers of your mind and how to create your own special best friend...or a monster to plague the earth. User results may vary.
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa
https://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Tulpa
https://exemplore.com/paranormal/Tulpas-A-History-and-Example-of-Living-Thoughtforms
Who Censored Roger Rabbitby Gary K. WolfSound Effects
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We are in the home stretch and rapidly approaching the finish line, Listener!
This offering is Jim's next to last episode and explores an oddity that he only recently uncovered..The Flintstones cartoon series does not play out against a prehistoric backdrop as one would assume at first glance...their world is, in reality, a post-apocalyptic one!
No, it's true! Just give this one a listen and keep your mind open.Sources:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/travel/strange-things-viewers-didn-t-realize-about-the-flintstones/ss-AAXwtQN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=759bb6d47f2245b2b406193f51993d26#image=1
https://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/why-flintstones-takes-place-in-post-apocalyptic-future
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/modern
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0580153/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_Flintstone
"Meet the Flintstones" composed by Hoyt Curtin, Joseph Barbera and William Hanna (1961)Sound FXs:
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Everything else is pure Jim
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Here's a final Halloween treat for you listeners...Jim relates the gruesome tale of the 16th Century sorcerer and werewolf: Peter StĂŒbbe
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A true Discourse. Declaring the damnable life and death of one Stubbe Peter, a most wicked Sorcerer, who in the likeness of a Wolf, committed many murders, continuing this devilish practice 25 years, killing and devouring Men, Women, and Children. Who for the same fact was taken and executed the 31st of October last past in the Town of Bedburg near the City of Collin in Germany. Truly translated out of the high Dutch, according to the Copy printed in Collin, brought over into England by George Bores ordinary Poste, the XI day of this present Month of June 1590 who did both see and hear the same, Anonymous, 1590
The Werewolf in Lore and Legend, Montague Summers
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Not sure what happened, John said he wanted to do an episode on witches for his October offering, but it never materialized.
But not to worry, Jim slapped together this little sketch so there isn't a gap during our Halloween celebration...the topic does often cross his mind...usually when he's been drinking!Sources:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_the_Friendly_Ghost
https://casper.fandom.com/wiki/Casper_the_Friendly_Ghost
https://www.cbr.com/how-did-casper-become-a-friendly-ghost/
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/609560/how-did-casper-the-friendly-ghost-die -
Here's your first Halloween treat...a delectable tale of a ghost bedeviling an Ohio family in the early 20th Century; an account not unlike its narrator: short and sweet
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The Daily Times (New Philadelphia, OH), âPaging Conan Doyle! Spirits! B-r-r!â pages 1 & 5, May 23, 1922
The Daily Times(New Philadelphia, OH), âGhost Patient when Sand Tablet is Destroyed â Does Work Over,â page 1, May 24, 1922
The Daily Times(New Philadelphia, OH), âGhost is Left Alone at Night,â page 1, May 26, 1922
The Daily Times(New Philadelphia, OH), âNew Ghost Theory is Advanced â Foster Daughter Believed Responsible,â page 1, May 30, 1922
The Lima Republican-Gazette (Lima, Ohio), âTenants of Ohio Farm Flee from Ghostly Visitor,â page 1, May 30, 1922
The Dayton Evening Herald (Dayton, Ohio), âFederal research Expert to Begin Hunt for Hummelâs Valley Ghost,â page 2, May 31, 1922
The Daily Times (New Philadelphia, Ohio), âMysterious Ghost Laid â Plotner to Return to Farm,â page 1, June 1, 1922
https://noel-poirier.com/2021/08/31/the-ghost-of-hummel-valley-a-tuscarawas-haunting/ -
It's October once again, and that means Halloween is fast approaching! The boys' first offering of the month is one appropriate to the season: the Ammons Possessions. While not as famous as the "Exorcist" case, this is the tale of yet another demonic possession within the United States -- taking place within the 21st Century. This episode does cause one to raise the question: why does Jim always pick stories in which people or places have hard to pronounce names?
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https://weatherspark.com/h/m/149805/2011/12/Historical-Weather-in-December-2011-at-Gary-Chicago-International-Airport-Indiana-United-States
The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, Indiana), âThe Exorcisms of Latoya Ammons,â by Marisa Kwiatkowski, pages A1, A17, & A18, January 26, 2014
The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, Indiana), âAlleged Demon Home Sells for $35,000,â by Marisa Kwiatkowski, pages A1 & A8, January 30, 2014
Journal and Courier (Lafayette, Indiana), âPriest Signs Film Deals after Well-Publicized Exorcisms,â by Marisa Kwiatkowski, page C8, February 6, 2014
Journal and Courier (Lafayette, Indiana), âRevisiting an Exorcism Story,â by Marisa Kwiatkowski, page A8, November 1, 2014
The Indianapolis Star (Indianapolis, Indiana), âExorcism Story Haunts Me,â by Marisa Kwiatkowski, page A3 & A5, November 1, 2014 -
John and Jim discuss a collection of smaller topics that normally wouldn't have enough to fill out an entire half-hour podcast.
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Just who -- or what -- are those humanoid figures of fulign hue perched atop ridges, silently watching All, but saying nothing?
In this episode, Jim once again struts his stuff solo as he attempts to answer this questionSources:
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https://worldhistory.us/ancient-history/who-were-the-watchers.php
https://www.livescience.com/dark-watchers-california-optical-illusion.html
https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/07/the-mysterious-dark-watchers-of-california/
https://www.ancientpages.com/2014/11/13/mysterious-dark-watchers-one-of-americas-greatest-ancient-riddles/
http://www.bookofenoch.org/ENOCH-McCracken2020.pdf
https://dl.icdst.org/pdfs/files1/79210c539e32f6c4f106fab6fff3f0c4.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jubilees -
This episode sees the return of Super Fanboy Allen and was, in fact, inspired by his call the Cincinnati Outhouse Disaster to Jim's attention
The title speaks for itselfLink to see Live Oak Gardens get sucked into Lake Peigneur: https://youtu.be/x9OJ2debJ5o
Sources:
London Beer Flood
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-London-Beer-Flood-of-1814/
https://historycollection.com/death-beer-london-beer-flood-claimed-eight-lives-batted-away-act-god/Clement Vallandigham
http://ohiohistorycentral.org/w/Clement_Vallandigham
https://allthatsinteresting.com/clement-vallandighamCincinnati Shithouse Disaster
https://beltmag.com/cincinnati-privy-disaster-1904/#:~:text=The%20Cincinnati%20Privy%20Disaster%20of%201904%20By%20Richard,them%20a%20few%20minutes%20of%20frolic%20and%20exercise
https://parks2015.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/the-cincinnati-privy-disaster-of-1904/
http://www.gendisasters.com/ohio/17040/pleasant-ridge-oh-outhouse-floor-collapses-sep-1904 https://www.notesfromthefrontier.com/post/outhouses
The Cincinnati Post (Cincinnati, Ohio), Sep 23, 1904, page 1Great Molasses Flood
https://www.history.com/news/the-great-molasses-flood-of-1919
https://www.history.com/news/great-molasses-flood-science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Great-Molasses-Flood https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/great-boston-molasses-flood-1919-killed-21-after-2-million-n958326 https://www.npr.org/2019/01/15/685154620/a-deadly-tsunami-of-molasses-in-bostons-north-end
https://listverse.com/2007/07/11/top-10-bizarre-disasters/?msclkid=5caa5256abab11ec927532cf1c46405eLake Peigneur
https://strangesounds.org/2019/12/lake-peigneur-disaster-video-louisiana.html?msclkid=fd5227abac7311ecb6571f698abf7438
https://moneyweek.com/360397/20-november-1980-the-lake-peigneur-disaster?msclkid=fd53db56ac7311ecaa964a38d159fd39
https://blog.thinkreliability.com/case-study-lake-peigneur?msclkid=fd5536f3ac7311ecbca8f69990424e9fWhen does Tragedy become Comedy
http://leeds-faculty.colorado.edu/mcgrawp/pdf/mcgraw.warren.williams.leonard.2012.pdf
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When do Tragedies Become Funny? | Psychology Today
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna49075433?msclkid=8d195f9aabaf11ecba7e706cdc3d626b
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When he was a child, this story -- first encountered in his brother's copy of Strange but True: 22 Amazing Stories by Donald J. Sobol -- freaked Jim out...now he's passing it on to you, hoping to maybe exorcise his own hagriddenness...that is a word, right? If it ain't, it outta be!
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In this episode, the boys discussed the Amish and Hillbilly flavors of magic practiced in the United States. Who knew the Amish -- those staid and stalwart pillars of community and religion -- practiced magic? Jim did, that's who! Oh, and Jim comes to realize that his own father just might have been a practitioner of Appalachian Granny Magic.
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https://amishamerica.com/history/?msclkid=3d156befb1ca11eca7fea0b48142de2f
https://www.discoverlancaster.com/amish/history-beliefs/?msclkid=29feca3fb1cc11ecb1c336434ac1f814
https://ohiosamishcountry.com/articles/what-is-the-amish-ordnung?msclkid=dd1a9a53b1cd11ecac2104288004ee8d
https://gentsoflancaster.com/2021/02/17/what-is-amish-magic/?msclkid=515fb259b1d211ec97da60317dd2f0bc
https://www.readingeagle.com/2018/07/23/a-look-back-in-history-early-folk-religion-of-the-pa-dutch/\
Crossroads of Conjure: The Roots and Practices of Granny Magic, Hoodoo, BrujerĂa, and Curanderismo by Katrina Rasbold, 2019, Llewellyn Publications
The Evening Sun (Hanover, Pennsylvania), November 30, 1928, pages 1 & 4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehmeyer%27s_Hollow?msclkid=53dd70a6b5f311ecb32bb50c20ffd603
https://the-line-up.com/ringtown-valley-hex-murder
https://www.fox43.com/article/news/local/contests/horror-behind-the-walls-pa-family-finds-disturbing-discovery-in-house/521-77db2f54-dd76-428a-b96e-798c8ebba95a -
Jobs...who described them better, Dolly Parton with "Workin' 9 to 5, what a way to make a livin'" or Huey Lewis with "I'm takin' what they're givin' 'cause I'm workin' for a livin'"?
Doesn't really matter all that much, because both apply
This time Jim uncovers some jobs available in the past that no one would care to work at todaySources:
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/the-worst-jobs-in-history/ss-AASMLq0?msclkid=f9204e6aa6cb11ecbd0b1a075f39f041
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/503221/10-worst-jobs-victorian-era
https://www.npr.org/2015/03/12/392332431/dirty-old-london-a-history-of-the-victorians-infamous-filth
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Groom-of-the-Stool/
https://allthatsinteresting.com/awful-jobs
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76994/6-practical-ways-romans-used-human-urine-and-feces-daily-life
https://www.oddee.com/8-of-historys-weirdest-jobs-59169/
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/08/31/dog-feces/?edg-c=1
https://www.tudorsociety.com/groom-stool-sarah-bryson/
https://allthatsinteresting.com/gong-farmer?msclkid=131e8525a6cb11ec956cde30f7dda88e
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/bloodletting-why-doctors-used-to-bleed-their-patients-for-health?msclkid=2c60924da6f411ecb3cb4371f844549f
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Match-Girls-Strike/?msclkid=9028e09ea6fa11eca956966ecb88d3f7
https://www.atomicheritage.org/history/radium-girls?msclkid=76aeae62a6fe11ecb84113fff0e21bb9 -
Even though it's nowhere near the night before Christmas, the boys spring into action, tear open the shutters, and throw up the sash in an effort to look into Window Areas.
Late in the episode, I do believe that those in the recording session could actually smell Jim's pea-brain frying as he attempted to perform aeronautical speed and distance calculations.
So, heave a leg over the sill, but mind your muddy boots on the curtains as you do so, and journey with us through the mysterious portals known as Window Areas.
Strange Creatures from Time and Space by John Keel
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https://spiritseekersblog.org/2010/10/04/14-theories-on-monsters/
https://www.gaia.com/article/ufos-bigfoot-evidence-interdimensional-connection
https://www.enterprisenews.com/story/news/2020/10/11/what-is-bridgewater-triangle-anyway-look-at-dark-and-paranormal-tales-of-this-window-area-of-unexpla/114516298/
https://www.ufoinsight.com/aliens/encounters/tujunga-canyon-abduction)
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012-10-28-show/
http://www.dark-stories.com/eng/ufo_zones.htm
https://www.greatest-unsolved-mysteries.com/bermuda-triangle-1.html
https://www.ufoinsight.com/supernatural/time/bermuda-triangle-ufos-atlantis
http://thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Pittsburgh, PA, August 2, 1966, pg 04
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinwalker_Ranch
https://www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html
https://sciencex.com/news/2022-01-dialog-parallel-universe.html
https://www.npr.org/2011/01/24/132932268/a-physicist-explains-why-parallel-universes-may-exist
https://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/multiverse.pdf
https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/parallel-universe.htm
https://nypost.com/2020/05/19/nasa-finds-evidence-of-parallel-universe-where-time-runs-backward-report/ -
Once again, John blows past all reasonable time limits, and goes into way too much detail about topics he enjoys.
In this instance, THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAR!
Can the guys separate fact from fiction around this mysterious medieval organization?
Is this really the source of the Friday the 13th lore?
Listen and find out!
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This time around, Pardner, Jim gets his jaw a-wobblin' as the boys hold a palaver concerning sightin's of dinosaurs - pspecifically pterosaurs -- in the Old West.
Then dad-blamed if'n he don't go an' throw in some more recent items, too!
Sources:
https://ncse.ngo/young-earth-creationism
https://www.livepterosaur.com/LP_Blog/archives/8561
The Los Angeles Times (Los Angeles, California), August 1, 1886, page 03
The Daily Independent (Santa Barbara California), September 7, 1886, page 01
The Tombstone Weekly Epitaph (Tombstone Arizona), April 26, 1890, page 3
The Newhall Signal (Newhall, California), July 10, 1947, page 1
Arlington Heights Herald (Arlington Heights, Illinois), July 29, 1977, page 3
The Lowell Sun (Lowell, Massachusetts), July 31, 1977, page 6
The Herald-Sun (Durham, North Carolina), January 12, 2018, page A3
SOUND F/X:
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Thanks to ZAPSPLAT.COM for the following: people shouting awww with disappointment; crashing metal, plastic, & wood; fart
Thanks to FREESOUND.ORG for the following: hawk shriek
Thanks to FREESOUNDEFFECT.NET for the following: boing
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John and Jim discuss the phenomenon known as Possession, discuss its various flavors, and have deep thoughts about what it implies.
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All right, sorry, but due to dire need -- i.e., the regularly schedule episode wasn't posted -- this installment is being submitted before it had fully incubated...
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El Paso Times, El Paso, TX, February 28, 1971, “Widely-Separated Oklahoma Areas Puzzled by Prints”, page 8A
The Lawton Constitution and Morning Press, Lawton, OK, February 28, 1971, “Oklahoma has an ‘Abominable’”, page 14A
The Kansas City Times, Kansas City, MO, March 1, 1971, “Chickenman Baffles Experts”, page 1
The Sapulpa Daily Herald, Sapulpa, OK, March 3, 1971, “‘Wolfman’ Ain’t So”, pages 1 & 6
The Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City, OK, March 3, 1971, “Lawton Alert for ‘Wolfman’”, page 21 \
The Bonham Daily Favorite, Bonham, TX, March 4, 1971, “‘Wolfman’ is just Prankster”, page 7
The Springfield Leader and Press, Springfield, MO, March 10, 1971, “Springdale, Ark., Sights 3 Abominable Chicken Men”, page 34
The Baytown Sun, Baytown, TX, March 11, 1971, “Abominable Chicken Man Arouses Interest”, page 1
The Montana Standard, Butte, MT, March 11, 1971, “‘Leapin’ Lizards’ It’s a Doggone ‘Chicken Man,’” page 24
Great Bend Tribune, Great Bend, KS, March 10, 1971, “‘Abominable Chicken Man’ has Oklahomans in a Dither”, page 21
The Fort Worth Star, Fort Worth, TX, March 13, 1971, “Could the Thang have Offsprang,” page 1
The Corpus Christi Caller Times, Corpus Christi, TX, March 16, 1971, “The Milkman,” page 1
Creatures of the Outer Edge by Jerome Clark and Loren Coleman, pages 85 – 88
Vian Tenkiller News, Vian, OK, July 1, 2020, “Is the ‘Oklahoma Octopus’ Really in Lake Tenkiller,” Remer, Amie, page a3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Thunderbird
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oologah_Lake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenkiller_Ferry_Lake
https://octolab.tv/is-there-any-freshwater-octopus
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Ed Gein...grave robber, tanner, taxidermist...and possible cannibal; what more can be said about him? Well, listen to this episode and find out!
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The Journal Times, Racine, WI, page 01, Nov. 17, 1957
The La Crosse Tribune, La Crosse, WI, page 01, Nov. 17, 1957
Green Bay Press Gazette, Green Bay, WI, page 01 & 02, Nov. 18, 1957
Twin City News Record, Neenah, WI, page 01 & 08, Nov. 18, 1957
Stevens Point Daily Journal, Stevens Point, WI, page 01 & 11, Nov. 18, 1957
The CapitaI Times Madison, WI, page 11, Nov. 04, 1957
The Oshkosh Northwestern, Oshkosh, WI, page 01, Nov. 18, 1957
The Kenosha News, Kenosha, WI, page 01, Nov. 19, 1957
Stevens Point Daily Journal, Stevens Point, WI, page 01 & 10, Nov. 19, 1957
The Eau Claire Leader, Eau Claire, WI, page 01, Nov. 19, 1957
The Wisconsin State Journal, Madison, WI, page 01 & 02, Nov. 19, 1957
The Marshfield News-Herald, Marshfield, WI, page 12, Nov. 22, 1957
The Wisconsin State Journal, Madison, WI, page 18, Nov. 24, 1957
The Capital Times, Madison, Wisconsin, page 3, Nov. 16, 1962
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Continuing the idea of the inspirations for horror movies, Jim tucks into the legend of Scotland's Sawney Bean...he didn't love labor, but he did love people...when they were served up on a plate!
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https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/Sawney-Bean-Scotlands-most-famous-cannibal/
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-21506077\
https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/did-the-scottish-mass-murdering-cannibal-sawney-bean-actually-exist/
https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/sawney-bean-and-his-family-gruesome-scottish-cannibals-549079
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/sawney-bean-cannibal-scots-clan-22807148
https://allthatsinteresting.com/sawney-bean\
https://www.scotclans.com/scotland/scottish-myths/heroes-villain/sawney-bean/
https://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/b/alexanderbean.html
https://www.spookyisles.com/scottish-serial-killers-who-shocked-the-world/
https://www.spookyisles.com/british-cannibals/
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-earls-son-who-ate-20896328 - Näytä enemmän
