Episodes
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Summary
In this engaging conversation, Danielle Strickland and James Scholl discuss with Jared Brock the themes of evil, the nature of Satan, and the insights from his book 'A Devil Named Lucifer'. They explore the misconceptions surrounding the devil, the importance of human agency, and the dynamics of spiritual warfare. The discussion also touches on the relevance of biblical teachings in understanding modern issues of morality and choice. In this conversation, the speakers explore the complex themes of freedom, autonomy, and the influence of the devil in contemporary society. They discuss the paradox of freedom as seen through the lens of Jesus' sacrifice, the misconceptions surrounding demonic influence, and the need for discernment in understanding mental illness versus spiritual oppression. The conversation also delves into the economic injustices that reflect satanic principles, the false gods of modern society, and the importance of recognizing God's sovereignty over evil. Ultimately, they emphasize the Christian mission of liberation and the necessity of right-sizing both God and the devil in our understanding of faith and life.
Takeaways
The devil is not an equal opponent to God.
Satan's role is often misunderstood in modern Christianity.
Human agency plays a crucial role in resisting evil.
The concept of possession is more about individuals holding onto demons.
Footholds and strongholds can be identified in our lives.
Freedom is about choosing the virtuous, not autonomy.
The devil's influence is often through lies and deception.
Understanding the historical context of evil can reshape our views.
Revelation reflects cycles of rebellion and salvation throughout history.
The portrayal of Satan in popular culture is often inaccurate. Freedom is often misunderstood in the context of autonomy.
Demonic influence is prevalent in popular culture but often misrepresented.
Exorcism is a fundamental aspect of Jesus' ministry.
Discernment is crucial in distinguishing between mental illness and demonic influence.
Economic systems can reflect satanic principles of greed and injustice.
Modern society has diversified its false gods.
The devil serves a purpose in God's plan for growth and character development.
Deliverance is a universal need for all individuals.
Right-sizing God is as important as right-sizing the devil.
Liberation is a core mission of the Christian faith.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Powers and Principalities
03:09 Jared Brock's Journey and Background
06:04 Exploring the Book: A Devil Named Lucifer
08:56 Understanding the Nature of Evil
11:46 The Misconceptions of Satan
14:47 The Devil's Influence and Human Agency
18:02 Footholds and Strongholds in Life
21:06 Possession and the Nature of Demons
23:55 Revelation and the Cycle of History
26:58 Freedom vs. Autonomy
27:56 The Paradox of Freedom and Autonomy
29:15 Understanding the Devil's Influence Today
30:13 The Role of Exorcism in Christianity
32:39 Discernment Between Mental Illness and Demonic Influence
34:55 The Economic and Social Implications of Evil
36:28 The False Gods of Modern Society
39:16 The Satanic Nature of Economic Systems
41:34 Using Adversity for Growth
43:55 Right-Sizing God and the Devil
48:45 Liberation as a Christian Mission
Links:
https://www.jaredbrock.com
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Summary
In this episode of the Right Side Up podcast, host Danielle Strickland and guest Alexia Salvatierra discuss the current state of immigration in America, focusing on the challenges faced by immigrants and refugees. Salvatierra shares her extensive experience in immigration advocacy and highlights the drastic changes in policies that have made it increasingly difficult for individuals seeking asylum and temporary protected status. The conversation delves into the legal processes surrounding immigration, the implications of recent executive orders, and the political motivations behind anti-immigrant sentiment.
Salvatierra emphasizes the importance of recognizing the contributions of immigrants to society and advocates for a humane and ethical immigration system. In this conversation, Alexia Salvatierra and Danielle Strickland explore the themes of fear, faith, and the role of immigrant communities in the current socio-political landscape. They discuss the metaphor of an uncontained fire to illustrate the fear politicians face, the importance of faith in overcoming fear, and the revival brought by immigrant churches. They emphasize the need for Christians to act with courage and sacrifice, support immigrant communities, and seek trusted voices amidst misinformation.
The conversation calls for a collective movement towards love and understanding, urging listeners to engage with and support those in need.
Takeaways
Alexia Salvatierra has been involved in immigration advocacy for over 45 years.
Current immigration policies are unprecedented and draconian.
Temporary protected status is being removed for many vulnerable individuals.
Legal processes for asylum seekers are being undermined.
Venezuelan refugees face unique challenges due to their government's refusal to accept them back.
The immigration system is broken, with limited pathways for legal entry.
Deferred deportation status is now a priority for deportation.
Political motivations often drive anti-immigrant sentiment.
Immigrants contribute significantly to the economy and society.
A humane immigration system is essential for the country's prosperity. The experience of an uncontained fire symbolizes political fear.
Faith can help us overcome fear and take action.
Immigrant churches play a crucial role in spiritual revival.
Moving towards those we fear can lead to understanding.
Courage and sacrifice are essential for Christians today.
Building relationships with immigrant churches is vital.
We must support those in crisis as brothers and sisters.
Finding trusted voices is crucial in navigating misinformation.
Liberation comes from understanding and embracing others.
Asking good questions can lead to meaningful action.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Immigration Issues in America
01:25 Alexia Salvatierra's Background and Experience
03:49 Current State of Immigration Policies
06:47 Understanding Temporary Protected Status
10:00 Legal Processes and Their Implications
12:52 The Situation of Venezuelan Refugees
14:27 The Broken Immigration System
18:21 Deferred Deportation and Dreamers
22:20 The Political Landscape of Immigration
26:57 Ethical Immigration Practices
29:47 The Uncontained Fire: A Metaphor for Political Fear
32:25 Faith Over Fear: A Biblical Perspective
35:55 The Role of Immigrant Churches in Revival
39:51 Moving Towards the Stranger: A Call to Action
46:39 Courage and Sacrifice: The Christian Response
51:41 Building Bridges: Supporting Immigrant Communities
57:05 Finding Trusted Voices: Navigating Misinformation
Links:
https://www.juntosencristo.org
https://worldrelief.org
https://www.pcusa.org/about-pcusa/agencies-entities/interim-unified-agency/ministry-areas/immigration-issues
https://www.umc.org/en/how-we-serve/social-issues/immigration
https://www.catholiccharitiesusa.org/what-we-do/immigration-services/
http://www.alexiasalvatierra.com/media.html
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SummaryIn this conversation, Danielle Strickland and James explore the themes of the Gospels, particularly focusing on the book of John. They discuss the unique characteristics of each Gospel, the concept of the Cosmic Christ, and the radical identification of Christ with human suffering. The dialogue delves into the significance of creation, the essence of God as love, and the importance of seeing Jesus as the ultimate revelation of God. They emphasize the need to rediscover Jesus beyond traditional interpretations and to understand the profound implications of His incarnation.
Takeaways
* Each Gospel has its unique style and message.
* John's introduction is a poetic reflection on creation.
* The concept of the Cosmic Christ connects all matter to Jesus.
* Christ's incarnation signifies God's solidarity with the oppressed.
* The light of Christ brings order to chaos and new beginnings.
* All people are created in the image of God, challenging hierarchical views.
* God's essence is love, as revealed through Jesus.
* Understanding Jesus is key to understanding God.
* The Bible points to Jesus as the Word of God.
* Rediscovering Jesus can transform our understanding of scripture.
Titles
* The Gospels Unveiled: A Journey Through John
* The Cosmic Christ: Light in Darkness
Sound Bites
* "John's like an art film."
* "The word became flesh."
* "God is love."
Chapters
00:00Exploring the Gospels: A Unique Perspective
03:21The Cosmic Christ: Understanding John 1
06:21Radical Identification: Christ and Human Suffering
09:15Creation and New Beginnings: The Light of Christ
12:17The Essence of God: Glory and Revelation in Christ
15:08The Nature of God: Love and the Incarnation
18:03Rediscovering Jesus: The Word of God
21:04The Power of Poetry: Advent Reflections
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SummaryIn this episode of the Right Side Up podcast, Danielle Strickland and James explore the Gospel of Luke, emphasizing the importance of perspective in understanding scripture. They celebrate the voices of women in the Advent story, particularly through the lens of pregnancy as a metaphor for discipleship. The conversation delves into the vulnerability of the Nativity, the flow of power in the biblical narrative, and the revolutionary message of Mary's song. They also discuss the need for transformation in how we view power dynamics and the significance of the Nativity Project, which offers a fresh perspective on the Christmas story.
Takeaways
* Perspective matters in understanding scripture.
* Women's voices are often marginalized in biblical narratives.
* Pregnancy can be a metaphor for discipleship and surrender.
* The Nativity story highlights vulnerability and strength.
* The flow of power in Luke's Gospel subverts traditional hierarchies.
* Mary's song is a revolutionary message of hope and justice.
* Decolonizing the Bible involves recognizing different perspectives.
* The invitation to transformation is open to everyone.
* Art and storytelling can enrich our understanding of scripture.
* The Nativity Project offers a fresh perspective on the Christmas story.
Titles
* The Right Side Up Podcast: Advent Perspectives
* Celebrating Women's Voices in the Nativity
* Pregnancy and Discipleship: A New Lens
Sound Bites
* "We're putting the vent in advent."
* "Perspective really matters."
* "Mary's perspective is key."
* "What about the men?"
* "God speaks through wombs."
* "The invitation is open to you."
Chapters
00:00Introduction to the Right Side Up Podcast
00:48The Importance of Perspective in Understanding Scripture
02:32Celebrating Women's Voices in the Advent Story
05:47Pregnancy as a Metaphor for Discipleship
10:04The Vulnerability of the Nativity
15:39Decolonizing the Bible: The Flow of Power in Luke
20:05Mary's Song: A Revolutionary Message
26:11The Invitation to Transformation
32:13Exploring the Nativity Project
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KeywordsAdvent, Gospels, Jesus, Mark, Good News, John the Baptist, Non-Compliance, Resistance, Social Transformation, Wilderness
SummaryIn this episode, Danielle Strickland and James Sholl explore the themes of Advent through the lens of the Gospel of Mark. They discuss the fast-paced nature of Mark's writing, the political implications of the good news, and the role of John the Baptist as a figure of resistance. The conversation emphasizes the importance of non-compliance and individual action in the face of empire, as well as the transformative power of the wilderness. They also delve into scriptural references and the call to social transformation inherent in the good news of Jesus.
Takeaways
* Advent is a time of progressive revelation of Jesus.
* Mark's Gospel is characterized by its immediacy and urgency.
* The good news subverts the empire's narrative.
* John the Baptist embodies radical non-compliance.
* Non-compliance can be a powerful form of resistance.
* Individual actions can lead to collective change.
* The wilderness serves as a training ground for transformation.
* Scriptural context enriches our understanding of the message.
* The good news calls for both personal and social transformation.
* Living out the good news requires intentional resistance to the status quo.
Titles
* Adventing Through the Gospels
* Mark: The Gospel of Urgency
Sound Bites
* "Mark just gets on with it."
* "I refuse to comply."
* "There's more adventing to come."
Chapters
00:00Adventing: A New Perspective on the Season
06:17John the Baptist: The Rebel Voice
11:48Resistance Training: Embracing the Wilderness
17:54The Call to Transformation and Justice
23:27Baptism: A Declaration of Social Transformation
29:30Finding Freedom in Resistance
32:54Introduction to the Conversation
32:54Exploring Personal Growth and Transformation
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KeywordsAdvent, Jesus, Gospels, Matthew, Genealogy, Inclusion, Women, Faith, Community, Theology
SummaryIn this conversation, Danielle Strickland and James Sholl explore the significance of Advent and the different ways the Gospels introduce Jesus. They discuss the context of Jesus' birth, the genealogy presented in Matthew, and the cultural implications of these narratives. The conversation emphasizes the role of women in the genealogy, the complexity of biblical stories, and the radical inclusion of marginalized voices in the narrative of Jesus. The hosts encourage listeners to reflect on their own faith journeys and the communal aspects of spirituality.
Takeaways
* Advent symbolizes the light emerging and the unveiling of Christ.
* The context of Jesus' birth reflects a time of great political fear and oppression.
* The genealogy in Matthew serves to place Jesus within the story of God's people.
* Cultural perspectives can enrich our understanding of the Gospel narratives.
* Women in the genealogy of Jesus challenge patriarchal norms and highlight God's inclusivity.
* Biblical characters should be seen as mirrors reflecting our own complexities.
* God sees and includes all people, regardless of their past.
* The genealogy of Jesus emphasizes the importance of community and ancestry.
* Radical inclusion is a central theme in the introduction of Jesus.
* The stories of marginalized individuals are crucial to understanding the fullness of the Gospel.
Titles
* Exploring Advent: The Gospels and Jesus
* The Context of Jesus' Birth: A Historical Perspective
Sound Bites
* "Familiarity breeds contempt."
* "This is a story of stories."
* "Happy Advent!"
Chapters
00:00Introduction to Advent and Its Significance
06:04Exploring the Genealogy of Jesus
11:53The Role of Community in Faith
17:57The Complexity of Faith and Community
24:21Theological Significance of Inclusion
30:09The God Who Sees: Acknowledging the Marginalized
35:37The Challenge of Genealogy: Us vs. Them
39:17New Chapter
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This season of The Right Side Up is drawing to a close, and we are thrilled to welcome a dear mentor for so many of us, theologian Scot McKnight, to speak on Mary. Scot has written extensively about the empowerment of women in the church and the significance of Mary in the biblical narrative. In this conversation he also speaks to the erasure of women's voices throughout church history. We explore Scot's personal journey in understanding women's roles in ministry, he offers advice for male leaders, and emphasizes the importance of intentional action to create a more inclusive church environment. Expect to hear a lot about Mary's influence on Jesus and her role as a prototype of discipleship. This one really sums it all up.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
Ben Wildflower’s Magnificat Print: https://benwildflower.com/products/magnificat-print
takeaways
* The empowerment of women is essential for the future of the church.
* Mary's role in the biblical narrative is often overlooked.
* The erasure of women's voices in church history is a significant issue.
* Male leaders need to take intentional action to support women in ministry.
* Mary serves as a prototype of what it means to bear Christ.
* The Magnificat is a politically subversive text that has even been banned in some contexts.
* Women should be represented in leadership roles to change church dynamics.
* Intentional inclusion of women's stories is crucial for a balanced narrative.
* The church must recognize and celebrate the contributions of women.
Sound Bites
* "We, especially white men, often need to move over and get replaced by women."
* "Mary is the first prototype of a Christian."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
05:33 The Erasure of Women from the Church's History
08:44 Scot's Journey and Changing Views on Women in Leadership
13:29 Advice for Male Leaders in a Patriarchal World
20:05 The Importance of Mary's Song and the Erasure of Women's Stories
26:28 The Significance of Mary in the Biblical Narrative
32:46 Mary as the Prototype of a Christian
38:22 Mary's Struggle and the Importance of Her Example
43:26 Conclusion and Blessing of Danielle's Leadership
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In this episode of Need to Know we welcome book contributors Liz Ríos and Lisa Rodriguez-Watson to discuss resistance against empire, and embracing the confrontation of the Jesus-way. We explore the lived experiences of women leaders, the role of resistance against oppressive structures, and the significance of listening to marginalized voices. Liz and Lisa each emphasize the necessity of love, community, and the rejection of fear even as we deal with those who don’t agree with us, as we move towards a flourishing church.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
takeaways
* Women’s empowerment is essential for the flourishing of the church.
* Collaborative leadership is necessary to counteract the influence of empire.
* Listening to marginalized voices is vital for understanding the impact of empire.
* Resistance against oppressive structures is ongoing work.
* Maintaining grace and hope is important for leaders facing challenges.
* The church's decline is often due to a failure to embrace justice and inclusivity.
* Love and community are foundational for church growth and health.
* Education and awareness are critical for understanding the complexities of leadership.
keywords
church leadership, empowerment of women, collaborative leadership, resistance, allies, voices from the margins, Billy Graham rule, community, love, justice
Sound Bites
* "The church needs women."
* "Don't be afraid."
* "The empire runs on fear."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Need to Know book
03:28 The Impact of Empire and the Kingdom Way of Doing Things
06:32 Collaborative Leadership and the Need for Change
10:46 The At Odds Nature of Empire and the Church
16:31 Choosing Life and Undoing the Co-Opting of the Church
19:07 Shifting the DNA of the Church and Fostering Community
21:23 The Importance of Love and Following Jesus
26:49 The Holy Work of Resistance
28:08 Subverting Tokenism and Embracing Real Influence
29:15 Challenging the Billy Graham Rule and Fear-Based Mindsets
33:39 Education, Awareness, and Listening as Tools for Change
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On this episode of the Right Side Up podcast, we finally talk about the Apostle Paul and his issues with women. We are joined by our good friends Lucy Peppiatt and Aaron White, who discuss Aaron’s contributions to the book based upon Lucy’s scholarship and theology. We delve into the complexities and often misunderstood teachings of Paul regarding women, discussing how these scriptures have been weaponized and misinterpreted. Lucy emphasizes the importance of viewing Scripture with a holistic and contextual lens, and being honest about the things we just don’t understand in Paul’s letters. We call once again for men to be allies and for the church to embrace a fuller understanding of gender equality as part of its mission for the future.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
Learn more about Lucy, the school she leads, and her books.
keywords women in ministry, biblical scholarship, paul, culture, context, early church, women leaders, theology, allies
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Right Side Up Podcast
00:53 Meet the Hosts and Guests
02:01 Discussing Paul's Views on Women
06:26 Reinterpreting Paul's Teachings
15:24 Challenges of Women in Leadership
19:39 Men's Role in Supporting Women
23:49 Engaging with Difficult Scriptures
29:32 Reflecting on a Friend's Life and Legacy
30:22 Lucy's Work and Its Impact
30:46 Youth Camp and Challenging Verses
32:06 Invitation to Deeper Understanding
34:44 Launching the Need to Know Book
35:52 The Role of Allies
37:33 Humility in Scriptural Interpretation
39:49 Confronting Difficult Passages
46:35 Hope for Change and Future Generations
51:33 Lucy's Current and Future Projects
54:52 Final Thoughts and Encouragement
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We’re back with Episode 8 of the Need to Know season, digging deeper into the women who are overlooked in church history, especially the time of the Patriarchs and the Early Church. Our guests are Julie Faith Parker, and Anita Giardina Lee, both contributors to Need To Know, the book. They share about the historical contributions of women, the importance of rediscovering their stories, and how these narratives can reshape the future of the church. We emphasize the need for the inclusion of women’s voices and the power of all marginalized voices being welcomed in redefining discipleship and church leadership in this next era of the church. You’ll also hear of groundbreaking new research into Mary Magdalene, and what that means for our imagination of the apostles.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
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All women mentioned in the Bible: womeninthebible.org
keywords women in ministry, discipleship, early church, genealogy of Jesus, marginalized voices, church history, women leaders, faith, theology, church reimagining
takeaways
* Women have been active in ministry as long as men.
* Rediscovering women's roles in the early church is crucial.
* Discipleship examples from women in the Bible are abundant.
* The domestic sphere was central to early church leadership.
* Jesus' genealogy includes radical figures like Tamar and Rahab.
* The erasure of women's stories in church history is problematic.
* We must reclaim the narratives of our foremothers.
* Marginalized voices should be at the center of church discussions.
* This generation can build on the legacy of women in faith.
* Reimagining the church involves acknowledging and including diverse voices.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction: Need to Know
01:15 Julie's Chapter: Addressing the Abuse of Women in the Bible
09:08 Anita's Chapter: The Erasure of Women in Church History
10:42 The Early Church and the Domestic Sphere
12:36 The Church's Reinvention Every 500 Years
15:17 The Power of Hospitality and Relationships in the Church
24:02 The Importance of Telling Women's Stories in the Bible
26:21 The Bible as a Catalyst for Deeper Thinking and Change
29:53 Rediscovering the Stories of Women in the Church
31:26 Challenging the Erasure of Women's Contributions
32:36 The Potential of Embracing Women's History
34:44 Empowering Women to Speak and Lead
37:58 The Consequences of Treating Women Badly
42:38 Reimagining the Church: Embracing Inclusivity and Equity
44:26 Women Leading the Reimagination of the Church
49:56 Mary the Tower: A Prominent Apostolic Witness
52:13 God's Design for the Church
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The amazing Beth Allison Barr joins us to share her contribution towards Need To Know: the historical prevalence of women leading in the church. We discuss her journey as a historian and a woman in the church herself, including the strong pushback she receives. You’ll hear some personal narratives that shape these discussions, as well as the challenges faced by those who speak out against patriarchal structures. We review the importance of allies in advocating for an end to women's subjugation within Christianity, and emphasize the need for male leaders to listen to and support women in ministry.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
keywords
Biblical Womanhood, Empowerment, Church Leadership, Allies, Personal Narratives, Future of the Church, Male Leaders, Women in Ministry, Patriarchy
takeaways
* Beth Allison Barr's books address the subjugation of women in the church.
* Personal narratives are crucial for understanding the impact of church teachings.
* Speaking up for women often comes with significant personal costs.
* Allies play a vital role in supporting women's empowerment in the church.
* The church's future depends on the inclusion of women's voices.
* Men in leadership should listen to women's experiences and concerns.
* Women have historically played significant roles in church leadership.
* The narrative of women's subjugation is deeply rooted in church history.
* There is hope for a transformative future in the church.
Sound Bites
* "The subjugation of women became gospel."
* "The devil hates women, and he should."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Book Discussion
10:03 Writing the Book and Facing Reactions
19:22 What Male Leaders Need To Do
27:13 Awakening in Men: Moving Beyond Defense
31:59 Marriage and Ministry: Challenging the Narrative
42:36 Exposing Patriarchal Power Dynamics in the Church
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In this episode of the Right Side Up we welcome our good friend and frequent collaborator Jo Saxton, to discuss the critical gaps in women’s empowerment in a wide variety of church roles. We explore the growing disillusionment many influential women feel within the church, the importance of allies, and the need for diverse voices in leadership. Our conversation highlights the impact of cultural norms on women's identities and the erasure of women's contributions to church history. We also touch on the prevalence of abuse and toxic culture within church settings and emphasize the importance of listening to women's stories. This is yet another call for hope and restoration for women in the church, especially encouraging leaders to recognize and celebrate the gifts and contributions of the women right in front of them.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
keywords
women empowerment, church leadership, identity, allies, church history, listening, cultural norms, abuse, restoration, hope
takeaways
* The empowerment of women is essential for the future of the church.
* Allies play a crucial role in supporting women's leadership.
* Understanding women's identity in scripture is vital for church leaders.
* There is a significant disconnect between women and the church.
* Listening to women's stories is key to understanding their experiences.
* Raising women up in leadership requires intentionality and support.
* Cultural norms often limit women's roles in the church.
* The erasure of women in church history needs to be addressed.
* Diverse voices in leadership enrich the church community.
* Addressing abuse and toxic culture is necessary for healing and restoration.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and the Need for Women's Leadership
02:02 The Biblical Foundation for Women's Equality
08:16 Women Leaving the Church
14:30 Tools for Empowering Women
26:28 The Impact of Not Seeing Women as They Were Designed to Be
28:22 Addressing Abuse and Toxic Behaviors in Leadership
30:09 Redeeming Women's Identities and Restoring the Church
36:17 The Power of Listening to Women's Voices
39:52 Finding Hope in Embracing Our True Identities
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In this episode we welcome Need to Know contributors Mariah Humphries and Carolyn Whatley, to discuss the role of gender empowerment and cultural awareness in building a flourishing future church. From an Indigenous and Indigenous-informed perspective, they share about the importance of lamenting injustices, the need for diverse voices in leadership, and how men can become allies in supporting women. We reflect on the necessity of personal spiritual transformation and the responsibility of individuals to engage wholeheartedly in these discussions. You’ll also find many resources and recommendations to continue your journey.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
keywords
Need to Know, empowerment, women in church, cultural awareness, allyship, lament, healing, diversity, inclusion, spiritual transformation
takeaways
* Empowerment of women is crucial for a flourishing church.
* Allies play a significant role in supporting women and marginalized voices.
* Lamenting injustices is essential for healing within the church.
* The future church must embrace diversity and inclusion.
* Spiritual transformation is a personal responsibility.
* Men need to actively support women in leadership roles.
* Diverse voices and perspectives are vital for a healthy church.
* Reading works by diverse authors can enhance understanding and empathy.
* The Need to Know book serves as a resource for leaders seeking to create equitable spaces.
Sound Bites
* "There has to first be lament over injustice."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to 'Need to Know' and the Authors
07:46 The Future of the Church and the Importance of Lament
14:12 Men's Emotions and the Healing of the Church
31:05 Prioritizing Growth and Change Over Comfort in the Church
31:37 The Beauty of Humility and Backtracking
32:15 Embracing Discomfort and Reflecting on Marginalized Voices
33:39 Addressing Fragility and Shifting Mindsets
36:00 Diversifying Reading and Amplifying Marginalized Voices
37:27 The Role of Male Leaders in Creating an Inclusive Church
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In this episode, we feature a special guest who did not contribute to the book, Need to Know: Paul Young. Well-known as the author of The Shack, Eve, and other books, Paul has always impressed me as someone who truly values and elevates women. We discuss the power of storytelling, the role of women in the church, and the importance of truth-telling for pastors. Paul shares his powerful personal story detailing how women were safer figures for him than men, the impact of early childhood trauma on his faith, and the need for authenticity in leadership. We also explore metaphors for God and the rehabilitation of Eve’s reputation in the Biblical narrative.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
keywords
Need to Know, Paul Young, The Shack, Eve, women in the church, storytelling, trauma, faith, authenticity, theology, redemption
takeaways
* Women play a crucial role in the future of the church.
* Trauma can significantly impact one's faith and identity.
* Authenticity in leadership is essential for church growth.
* Truth-telling is vital for pastors to foster genuine connections.
* The metaphors we use for God shape our understanding of God.
* Eve's story highlights the need for women's empowerment.
* Healing and restoration are necessary for personal and communal growth.
* Community and connection are vital for overcoming trauma.
* Men must become allies in the movement for women's flourishing in the church.
Sound Bites
* "The unexposed is the unhealed."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
03:23 The Power of Fiction and Storytelling
07:35 Encountering God Outside of Traditional Beliefs
09:57 Questioning Assumptions and Theology
13:46 The Impact of The Shack and Authenticity in Art
18:49 Healing and Personal Growth as a Foundation for Writing
20:27 Navigating Success and Criticism
27:32 Exploring Women's Stories and Challenging Traditional Beliefs
28:30 The Power of Metaphors in Shaping Our Understanding of God
31:47 Challenging Gender and Racial Stereotypes in 'The Shack'
37:02 Confronting Brokenness and Embracing Love and Humility
38:11 Addressing the Damage of Abuse and Creating a Healthier Church
45:34 Advice for Male Pastors: Truth-Telling, Challenging Doctrines, and Prioritizing Love
51:44 A word to the perpetrators
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Up next on the Need to Know season of The Right Side Up podcast, we discuss clergy sexual abuse. This episode includes content that may be difficult to hear for some people, so we encourage you to listen to your body as you engage with this important topic. Our guests are book-contributors Lori Anne Thompson and Angela Lam. Lori Anne shares her personal journey of writing about her experiences with clergy abuse, the challenges of confronting such trauma, and the importance of sharing narratives to foster understanding and empathy. Angela speaks to the role of church leadership in addressing abuse, the bravery of survivors, and the need for systemic change within religious institutions. We reflect on the significance of spiritual reckoning, accountability, and the hope for healing and resurrection amidst darkness.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
Recommended Resources On Clergy Sexual Abuse
Limited Series
Shiny Happy People on Amazon Prime : while showcasing an very conservative strain of Christianity, the subtlety of spiritual manipulation, the effects of purity culture and the “group think” that allows/protects abuse to happen in plain sight are seen in far broader contexts in modern evangelical Christianity
Keep Sweet, Pray & Obey on Netflix: speaks to the coercive power of religious authority and the compliance training women especially have been subjected to. This series is a radical case of both but this actually makes it easier to see. The same roots of these things (coercive power and compliance training of women) are deeply embedded in the dynamics we’re seeing play out in all Christian denominations
The Secrets of Hillsong by FX on Hulu: demonstrates the systemic nature of how abuses of various types are normalized to such a degree that the general populace is somewhat inoculated to seeing it.
BooksThe #MeToo Reckoning: Facing the Church Complicity in Sexual Abuse and Misconduct#ChurchToo: How Purity Culture Upholds Abuse and How to Find HealingA Church Called Tov: Forming a Goodness Culture That Resists Abuses of Power & Promotes HealingRedeeming Power: Understanding Authority & Abuse in the ChurchWhen Narcissism Comes to Church: Healing Your Community from Emotional and Spiritual Abuse
Websites
http://www.clergysexualmisconduct.com/http://www.adultsabusedbyclergy.org/https://www.hagarsvoice.com/
Articles
Clergy Sexual Abuse as Moral Injury: Confronting a Wounded and Wounding ChurchDisabusing the Church (the value of trauma-informed churches)
Social Media Feeds
https://www.instagram.com/religious.harm.recovery/https://www.instagram.com/restoredvoicescollective/https://www.instagram.com/brokentobeloved/
episode keywords
clergy abuse, personal narrative, resilience, faith, accountability, survivors, church leadership, trauma, healing, hope
takeaways
* Writing about trauma requires descending into painful experiences.
* Identifying with the crucified Christ helps in understanding clergy abuse.
* Sharing personal narratives can cultivate empathy in others.
* Bravery in confronting abuse often comes with immense personal cost.
* Church leadership must prioritize accountability over self-protection.
* Systemic change is necessary to address the culture of abuse.
* Spiritual reckoning is essential for healing within the church.
* Understanding betrayal trauma is crucial for recognizing abuse.
* Hope and resurrection can emerge from the darkest experiences.
* Leaders are invited to break ranks and stand with survivors.
Sound Bites
* "Writing was an ascent into an incredibly dark and painful personal hell."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview
01:59 Angela Lam's contributions and background
06:18 Lori Anne Thompson's Lived Experience and Contribution to the Book
11:17 Reading an Impactful Excerpt from Lori Anne Thompson's Chapter
14:36 The Power of Narrative and Identifying with the Crucified Christ
23:31 The Shift in Public Response and the Importance of Media Coverage
25:17 Encouragement for Survivors and Allies
29:00 Breaking Ranks: Challenging the Status Quo
38:42 The Crucifixion of Jesus: Exposing Systems of Evil
55:37 The Invitation to Stand with Jesus: Finding Hope in Resurrection
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Happy Thursday! Continuing the Need to Know season of The Right Side Up podcast, today we get into our first conversation with two contributors to the book. My dear friend Bob Ekblad is joined by Janet Munn, an author, speaker and leader in the Salvation Army. In this conversation, we explore the intersection of gender, power, and faith within the church. We reflect on need for a reimagined understanding of God that transcends traditional male-centric views. What is the church’s history of female leadership? What power dynamics distort equality today? How do allies get involved? Find answers to all those questions and more.
Show Notes
Link to order the book: Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church
Keywords
God, gender, power, church, leadership, women, equality, community, advocacy, nonviolence
Takeaways
* God is described as both male and female in scripture.
* The distortion of power dynamics harms both men and women.
* Women must be empowered to lead and serve in the church.
* The church needs to reimagine its structures to be more inclusive.
* Active nonviolence is essential in addressing social injustices.
* Voices of women are crucial for the health of the church.
* Encouragement to persist in advocacy for gender equality.
* The original biblical narrative supports mutuality between genders.
* Jesus' choice of women as the first witnesses to the resurrection is significant.
* Allies are needed to help amplify women's voices in the church.
Sound Bites
* "God is not male."
* "We need allies who will help us."
* "Distortion of power causes great damage."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Need to Know season and the book
01:55 Reimagining God's Gender
09:39 The Gap Between Theory and Practice
24:08 Rethinking Power and Spiritual Authority
34:16 Practical Steps for Gender Equity
42:04 Holding Leaders Accountable and Leaving Spaces that Do Not Value Women
46:24 Reimagining Church Structures and Systems
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Friends! Welcome to the Need to Know season of The Right Side Up. This season is all about supporting the forthcoming compilation book, Need to Know: Empowering Female Leadership and Why It’s Essential for the Future of the Church. In this introductory episode I share why empowering women is so important for the future of the church. You’ll hear me emphasize the importance of collaboration between men and women, the need for systemic change, and the role of theology in promoting gender equity. I reflect on the historical context of female leadership, the challenges of addressing abuse within church systems, and the necessity of honest hope and lament in the journey towards transformation.
Order the book
keywords
female leadership, church, empowerment, theology, equity, abuse, collaboration, hope, transformation, systemic change
takeaways
Empowering female leadership is essential for the future of the church.
Cultural awareness is crucial for understanding gender dynamics.
The cost of allyship can be surprising for men.
Theology plays a significant role in gender equity discussions.
Church systems often perpetuate abuse and harm.
Historical examples, like the Salvation Army, show the impact of female leadership.
Collaboration between genders is vital for church growth.
Honest hope requires acknowledging and lamenting past injustices.
Transformation involves a deep personal and collective metanoia.
Listening and learning are the first steps towards living differently.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction: The Need to Know
02:27 The Cost and Challenges of Empowering Female Leadership
06:09 The Interconnectedness of Power, Empire, and Leadership
08:01 The Importance of Doing Exegetical Work on Women
11:20 The Historical Role of Women in the Church
18:48 A Call to Repentance, Learning, and Living Differently
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Bob is someone I have long admired for his witness of the ways of Jesus. He talks with us about his own story, the need to break allegiances with our dominant cultural idols (even national ones), and the ongoing journey of being faithful to Jesus in an age of rising nationalism disguised as Christianity. This is so eye opening and beautiful.
tierra-nueva.org
peoplesseminary.org
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Aaron White: The Pedagogy of Education... Learning a curiously different way and the deep and wide academy.
How we think about thinking? Yep, kind of. Challenging assumptions of learning and the inflexible way we've made knowledge about sitting still and why there are better ways... a great discussion!
deepwideacademy.com
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