Episodes
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It’s the Season 2 finale and we have the one and only Carrie Goldberg as our guest! Carrie is the founding attorney of C.A. Goldberg, PLLC, a victims rights’ firm in Brooklyn, where Norma is Director of Client Relations. Known for being the lawyer taking on big tech, Carrie created her firm to advocate for victims of tech-facilitated abuse and has been one of the leaders in changing laws and attitudes surrounding image-based sexual abuse. Norma and Carrie discuss meeting in 2015, when Carrie became Norma’s lawyer, what was going on in Carrie’s life at the time, only about a year into starting her firm. Carrie describes the growth of the firm and the moment she realized she needed to hire a team, work/life balance, insights on dating, and her experiences working with Holocaust survivors in her 20s. She and Norma talk about financial justice and stigma around survivors demanding and accepting money – which is what the legal system is for (distribute the wealth!). Carrie gets into some of her biggest Section 230/tech accountability lawsuits, including suing Grindr (listen to S1E10 with Matthew Herrick) and Amazon for selling suicide kits to kids, and attacking major issues from all angles: protest through litigation, advocating for legislation, agitating media for public awareness, and creating a cultural shift. Finally, Carrie answers a few listener questions about doing her work as a survivor herself, the future around image-based sexual abuse, and more.
Follow Carrie Goldberg & C.A. Goldberg, PLLC:
Instagram @cagoldberglaw
Twitter @cagoldberglaw
C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
Buy Carrie’s book, Nobody’s Victim (and check out Norma’s Bookshop.org affiliate link for more recs from the pod!):
https://bookshop.org/lists/oral-arguments-podcast-books-mentioned
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More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY - DEADLINE NOV 23, 2023:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
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This week’s guest, Kaytlin Bailey, is a sex worker rights advocate, comedian, writer, and founder of Old Pros and Host of The Oldest Profession Podcast. She tells us about her start getting into sex work as a form of rebellion, how her sex work evolved as she pursued her comedy career, and the undeniable freedom that comes with “embracing that archetypal whore.” Norma and Kaytlin discuss how censorship of sex-positive content is actually counterintuitive to preventing sexual abuse, as well as the nuances of “free speech” and what that means, and for whom. Kaytlin explains how she got into advocacy for sex workers rights after the passage of SESTA/FOSTA in 2018, and why destigmatization is such an important step for decriminalization – and how she attacks that through educating listeners to her podcast about sex workers’ stories in history. She gets into Old Pros, her nonprofit with a mission of cultural change and creating persuasive content, hosting compelling events, and changing people’s minds, and Whore’s Eye View, her one-woman “edutational” show (which she’s getting ready to tour!). Kaytlin gets into her upbringing and living with both progressive activism and benevolent sexism and coming out to family as a sex worker. Then, she tells us about what we can learn from the Comstock Laws and how reproductive rights are related to sex workers rights – and ultimately, bodily autonomy and freedom of expression for all of us. Finally, Norma and Kaytlin get into the conflation of sex work and exploitation or trafficking, the current state of the decriminalization movement in the US, and why “End the Demand”/Nordic/”partial decriminalization” model actually creates a power imbalance that hurts sex workers and trafficking victims.
Follow Kaytlin Bailey, Old Pros:
Instagram @kaytlinbailey, @oldprosonline
Twitter @KaytlinBailey, @oldprosonline
https://oldprosonline.org/
UPCOMING EVENTS:
Buy tickets (in person or virtual) for Securing Sexuality Conference, watch Norma’s talk on 10/20 at 1 pm “Sex-Positive Victims Rights: Ethical Considerations for Practitioners and Tech”
https://www.securingsexuality.com/register-now.html#/
Buy tickets for Another Body screening at IFC Center in NYC, 10/21/23 at 7:05 pm - post-screening Q&A with Norma Buster, Adam Eli, and directors Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn:
https://tickets.ifccenter.com/websales/pages/ticketsearchcriteria.aspx?evtinfo=405515~8722a542-64c1-4c0b-af02-c3e8a239d769&_ga=2.150474742.152236870.1696462706-1267295534.1695929460
anotherbodyfilm.com/
Buy tickets for past guest Jacq Frances’ movie premiere, Tuesdays with Brian Tues 10/24
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/tuesdays-with-brian-premiere-tickets-719003939137
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
Books mentioned:
The Man Who Hated Women: Sex, Censorship, and Civil Liberties in the Gilded Age, Amy Sohnhttps://bookshop.org/p/books/the-man-who-hated-women-sex-censorship-and-civil-liberties-in-the-gilded-age-amy-sohn/15042621?ean=9781250174833
Unbroken Chains: The Hidden Role of Human Trafficking in the American Economy, Melissa Ditmorehttps://bookshop.org/p/books/unbroken-chains-the-hidden-role-of-human-trafficking-in-the-american-economy-melissa-ditmore/18738003?ean=9780807006771
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This week we have directors of Another Body, a documentary following a college student’s investigation after discovering deepfake content of herself online – and we get an inside look into the making of it. First, in the intro, Norma talks about the news that CA has passed Tyler’s Law (AB1109), which punishes online retailers for selling sodium nitrite to minors. She also talks about C.A. Goldberg’s new blog post on the legal rights of sex workers. Then, we get to our guests, Sophie Compton and Reuben Hamlyn. Sophie and Reuben tell us about their paths to making a documentary about deepfakes, and how they used AI in Another Body to anonymize the subject, “Taylor,” – and how Taylor found it to be a form of reclamation. They discuss their research speaking with victims of image-based sexual abuse (IBSA) and what they learned about common impacts on survivors (especially internalized shame), and why these discussions need to be inclusive of all survivors of IBSA. Sophie and Reuben explain their process to ethically find a survivor to work with and get real about some of their challenges and best practices throughout (keyword: transparency). Norma, Sophie, and Reuben discuss the idea of a “perfect victim,” the unique effects of speaking out about IBSA on survivors who are public figures, and the positive impact that video diaries had on Taylor in her healing journey. Sophie and Reuben discuss their research pouring through 4chan forums and how their documentary and research turned into a movement, My Image My Choice. Finally, they discuss what’s next: advocating for the criminalization of deepfakes, shutting down sites dedicated to deepfakes, upcoming screenings of Another Body, a virtual summit in November, and more from My Image My Choice.
Info on Another Body:
Instagram @anotherbody.film
anotherbodyfilm.com/
Buy tickets for Another Body screening at IFC Center in NYC, 10/21/23 at 7:05 pm - post-screening Q&A with Norma Buster, Adam Eli, and directors Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn:
https://tickets.ifccenter.com/websales/pages/ticketsearchcriteria.aspx?evtinfo=405515~8722a542-64c1-4c0b-af02-c3e8a239d769&_ga=2.150474742.152236870.1696462706-1267295534.1695929460
https://linktr.ee/anotherbody.film
My Image My Choice:
Instagram @myimagemychoice
https://myimagemychoice.org/
Follow Sophie Compton and Reuben Hamlyn:
Instagram @sophietaracompton @urghreub
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
Articles Mentioned:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/legal-rights-of-sex-workers/
Tyler’s Law: https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1109/2023#:~:text=On%20or%20after%20July%201,years%20of%20age%20or%20older.
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This week we have on Mx. Sizzle (they/them), sex and kink educator and professor of sexual health decision-making and intro to health disparities, with tons of fascinating knowledge to share. First, in the intro, Norma talks about NY’s “deepfake” law that was just signed by Governor Hochul. Then, we get to our guest. Mx. Sizzle talks about their start in purity culture and how they dove into sex education as a teen. They get into their period of domming for 8 years, and Norma and Mx. Sizzle discuss stigma around BDSM and how controlled power dynamics can be healing for survivors. They get into the term “hypersexuality,” when sex work can be empowering, and sexual health disparities. Mx. Sizzle tells us about RACKs (Risk Aware Consensual Kink) and the idea of safer sex practices, and lessons that can be applied from kink to “vanilla” sex. They talk about how to set boundaries, sub space, consensual nonconsent (AKA “rape fantasies”), consent accidents vs. violations and how they relate to restorative justice, sex toys, and why Mx. Sizzle opts out of gender completely.
Follow Mx. Sizzle:
Instagram @mx.sizzle_
www.mxsizzle.com/
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Le Wand - use code MxSizzle for 22% off:
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Buy tickets for Another Body screening at IFC Center in NYC, 10/21/23 at 7:05 pm - post-screening Q&A with Norma Buster, Adam Eli, and directors Sophie Compton & Reuben Hamlyn:
https://tickets.ifccenter.com/websales/pages/ticketsearchcriteria.aspx?evtinfo=405515~8722a542-64c1-4c0b-af02-c3e8a239d769&_ga=2.150474742.152236870.1696462706-1267295534.1695929460
For other screenings & info about Another Body:
https://anotherbodyfilm.com/
C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
Articles Mentioned:
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/in-house-counsel/n-y-outlaws-unlawful-publication-of-deepfake-revenge-porn
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/ai-update-fbi-deepfake-warning-and-new-ny-law/
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Rachele Royale is a powerhouse – she’s a musician and podcaster who’s not afraid to call sh*t how it is. Before their conversation, Norma discusses Hispanic Heritage Month in the intro, Cuba and freedom of expression, and recent news of rising rates of femicide in Cuba in the intro. She also shares politician and survivor Katie Hill’s recent piece about Susanna Gibson, political candidate who recently publicly became a victim of image-based sexual abuse. Then, we get to this week’s guest. This episode is recorded in 2 parts – in part 1, a clip from Rachele’s podcast Haus of Royale, Rachele tells us about the exploitation she was subjected to as a young rising musician, and the community she found at the strip club. (Check out Haus of Royale for the full Part 1 of their conversation!) Then, in part 2, Rachele delves deeper into some of the aspects at play that made her more vulnerable – from her home life, to predatory older men who’d enter her path. Rachele gets real about the positives and negatives from her time stripping, and talks about how it healed her relationship with dance, an art she grew up with. She talks about the need for more women to become vocal engineers, ageism within the entertainment industry, and why podcasting and speaking out as a survivor have been healing.
Follow Rachele Royale:
Instagram @racheleroyalemusic, @thehausofroyale
Listen to/watch her podcast, Haus of Royale:
https://www.youtube.com/@RacheleRoyaleMusic/videos
Check out her music:
https://linktr.ee/RacheleRoyale
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
Articles/Resources Mentioned:
Locatora Radio: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locatora-radio-a-radiophonic-novela/id1290486596
“‘They are killing us’: Murders of women in Cuba are growing at an alarming rate,” Carla Colomé Santiago
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article278567939.html
“Women’s bodies should not be a matter of public interest,” Katie Hill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/21/susanna-gibson-women-bodies-katie-hill/
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This week’s guest is Dr. Spring Cooper, professor of sexual health and yoga teacher. Before that, in the intro, Norma covers articles about “Zoom culture” and our perception of self, and a recent arrest of clients of sex workers in NYC – as well as the current state of the prosecution of prostitution in NYC (articles linked below). Then, the interview: Spring tells us about why she started studying human sexuality, and her research on sexual agency and the first ever measure that she created for it. She gets into some of her findings from her research on adolescent sexual agency, and in particular what she learned about LGBTQ youths’ relationships to agency. Norma and Spring discuss young people’s relationship to porn and how it’s changed, their own experiences learning about and exploring nonmonogamy, and healing through activism. Spring tells us about her own experience surviving image-based sexual abuse (IBSA), and her lawsuit against her ex – the first under NYC’s IBSA law. Finally, she talks about how she got into teaching yoga and how the practice changed her life.
Follow Dr. Spring Cooper:
Instagram @drspringc, @thesexwrap
Listen to her podcast, The Sex Wrap: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1186166231?ign-itscg=30200&ign-itsct=lt_p
https://linktr.ee/drspringc
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
Articles/Books Mentioned:
“We were never supposed to see our faces this much” https://www.dazeddigital.com/beauty/article/60860/1/we-were-never-supposed-to-see-our-faces-this-much-social-media-zoom
“NYPD: 17 men arrested, charged for trying to purchase sex”
https://bronx.news12.com/nypd-17-men-arrested-charged-for-trying-to-purchase-sex
“Despite Reforms, Sex Workers in New York Still Live in Fear of Arrest”
https://documentedny.com/2023/03/20/sex-workers-decriminalization-nyc-massage-parlors-reform/
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This week’s guest is intimacy coordinator and director Amy Northup. First, in the intro, Norma talks a little about the current state of AI in Hollywood and proposed legislation (article linked below). Then, Amy explains what she does and what a day in her life might look like, and dispels the myth that intimacy coordinators “sanitize” sex scenes (they actually make them sexier). She shares both hilarious and illuminating stories from sets, where actors realized they hadn’t been asked about their own boundaries before then, or times when an actor was empowered to change their mind. Norma and Amy get into the self-betrayal of violating our own consent as survivors, and their approaches to working with people who might be experiencing a trauma reaction. Amy tells about the challenges and progress in getting more intimacy coordinators on film and TV sets, and the current strikes in Hollywood and how AI plays a role. Then, she tells about her work in nightlife and how it prepared her for her career now, and the work she does with OutSmartNYC in nightlife sexual violence prevention. Amy and Norma discuss the New York Adult Survivors Act and the barriers to reporting within nightlife, and calculated risk and putting up with a certain level of BS.
Follow Amy Northup
Instagram @supnorthup
http://www.amynorthup.com/
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
More on the Adult Survivors Act in NY:
https://www.survivorslaw.com/
Articles/Books Mentioned:
“California lawmakers want to protect actors from being replaced by artificial intelligence” https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-09-13/california-bill-entertainment-workers-ai-digital-replicas
Book: How Sex Changed the Internet, and the Internet Changed Sex, Samantha Cole
https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-sex-changed-the-internet-and-the-internet-changed-sex-an-unexpected-history-samantha-cole/17897761?ean=9781523513840&ref=&source=IndieBound&title=How+Sex+Changed+the+Internet+and+the+Internet+Changed+Sex%3A+An+Unexpected+History
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Cleopatra Tatabele is truly a beacon of wisdom. They’re a Two-Spirit Black and Taino educator, content creator, and make-up artist. Norma and Cleopatra talk a little about nonmonogamy before Cleopatra breaks down what it means to her to be Two-Spirit. They discuss Latino culture and unpacking indigeneity, race and colorism within the self and others. (Spoiler: Latino is not a race.) Then, Norma and Cleopatra get into the pervasiveness of victim-blaming, and Cleopatra explains “spiritual victim blaming” within non-religious spiritual spaces and what we can learn about healing and prevention from indigenous practices. They dive into the widespread effects of colonization, appreciation vs appropriation, kink & healing, and more. This is an episode that covers a LOT of ground but is full of stories and laughs.
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Instagram @Afrobrujx
https://www.cleopatratatabele.com/
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https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
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This week’s guest, Silvia Semezin, is an Italian researcher, activist, and writer living in Spain – yes, she’s incredibly smart. First, in the intro, Norma discusses Wired article “Sex Workers Took Refuge In Crypto. Now It’s Failing Them” and financial discrimination, and then shares some of her personal journey with PTSD and antidepressants and where she’s at now. Then, we get to the interview. Silvia breaks down what digital sociology is and how she tries to keep up with the ever-changing tech landscape. Then she tells about her personal experience with image-based sexual abuse (IBSA) and writing, advocating, and passing a law criminalizing the nonconsensual distribution of intimate images – the first law in Italy with consent at its center. She explains how her own experience influenced her research and writing, including her own book co-written with Lucia Bainotti, Donne tutte puttane, which translates to “Women are Whores” (she explains the meaning in the episode) about IBSA. She tells us about infiltrating Telegram groups, finding hundreds of thousands of men sharing intimate images of women without their consent, and the media scandal that broke out when the research was published. Finally, she gets into her research on blockchain and her findings and concerns surrounding discrimination and inequalities in web3.
Follow Silvia Semenzin
Instagram @SilviaSemenzin_
https://www.silviasemenzin.it/
Her research – “The Use of Telegram for Non-Consensual Dissemination of Intimate Images: Gendered Affordances and the Construction of Masculinities”:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2056305120984453?fbclid=IwAR2dXakxqnNpHl0teIP1kv-aqgOlKA20KX-mqKCHf8BAApiBds8vDJ-nu-c
Silvia’s other publications:
https://www.silviasemenzin.it/publications
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
Article Mentioned:
https://www.wired.com/story/sex-workers-crypto-failing-them/
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Jacqueline Frances, FKA as Jacq the Stripper, is a legend – she’s a visionary, creative, a philosopher; an artist, comic, and former stripper (and she worked with JLO consulting on the movie Hustlers). She gets into her decade of being a gay stripper across the world and finding healing through sex work, unlearning whorephobia and the whorearchy in public and learning from the sex work activism scene, and her experiences surrounding strip club culture and safety across the world. Norma and Jacq get into Norma’s consideration into starting an OnlyFans (yes, this interview was recorded before she pulled the trigger) and Jacq offers Norma some sage advice we all could use – considering OF or not. Jacq talks about the unique challenges undocumented sex workers face (and why legalization of sex work is NOT the way – full decrim only), capitalism, and how she’s channeling her slut energy nowadays through her art (and her series “Hedonistic Jocks”), filmmaking, and comedy. Norma and Jacq get into being shamed for liking attention (as Jacq says – cleavage is a gift!), destigmatizing divorce, and Jacq’s experience and influence consulting on the movie Hustlers.
Follow Jacqueline Frances
Instagram @JacqTheStripper
Patreon (watch her special The Live and Divorce of Jacq the Stripper) https://www.patreon.com/artcampproductions
Buy her art https://jacqthestripper.squarespace.com/shop
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
Articles Mentioned:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/08/how-dating-apps-became-a-paradise-for-predators/
https://prismreports.org/2023/08/22/new-york-justice-incarcerated-survivors/
More on the Adult Survivors Act: https://www.survivorslaw.com/
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This week’s guests are married couple and sextech business partners Reuben and Sherri Johnson. Before the interview in the intro, Norma recounts what’s been going on in the last year in her life – global coalitions, going to the White House, and an update on what her first week has been like on OnlyFans. Then, Sherri and Reuben tell us about how they went from a life of being dedicated Jehovah’s Witnesses, to leaving the church and starting their own sexploration and becoming brand specialists obsessed with destigmatizing pleasure – and how they’ve navigated all of that as a married couple. They get into the idea of the gentrification of porn, and Norma, Reuben, and Sherri reflect on all of their own experiences unlearning religious shame around sexuality, and how purity culture permeates mainstream society. They talk about the things society tells us about ourselves – whether you’re a woman, Black, LGBTQ+, or so on – and how we can start to unlearn that, and how porn consumption can affect us positively or negatively. Then, Sherri and Reuben tell us about The Porn Conversation, a sex-ed project started by porn cinema director Erika Lust, for whom they’re ambassadors, and they share their perspectives on talking to kids about sex.
Follow Reuben & Sherri Johnson, AKA FlyDuo
Instagram @XoFlyDuo @sextechnchill @fmpagencyllc
@yagirlsherrij
Twitter @XoFlyDuo
https://sextechnchill.com/
https://flymediaproductions.com/
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
Resources Mentioned:
White House Task Force to Address Online Harassment and Abuse https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/03/executive-summary-initial-blueprint-for-the-white-house-task-force-to-address-online-harassment-and-abuse/
The Porn Conversation https://thepconversation.org/
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SEASON 2 IS HERE! And big news – your host, Norma Buster, is on OnlyFans!!! Upcoming guest Intimacy Coordinator Amy Northup interviews Norma about her journey going from survivor of image-based sexual abuse, to finding an empowering avenue to consensually share content within her own control. Then, Norma talks with Elena Michael, co-founder and director of Not Your Porn, a UK-based sex-positive movement fighting to protect non consenting adults, sex works, and minors from image-based sexual abuse (IBSA). They share what they’ve learned and unlearned through their work advocating for sex workers, and get real about tension within the IBSA movement surrounding sex work. Norma and Elena get into the idea of “calculated risk” in sex-related fields, bystander culture, shaping the culture for tech companies, and the nuances around talking about the porn industry. Elena tells our viewers about the UK’s Online Safety Bill and advocates’ concerns, and shares her thoughts on how we talk to kids about consent and IBSA. This is our longest episode, but it’s FULL of gold!
Happy Season 2 launch!!!!Photo of Elena by Juliette Cassidy for British Vogue
Follow Elena Michael & #NotYourPorn
Instagram @notyourpxrn & @elenajoanm
Twitter @NotYourPorn & @leejoanm
https://notyourporn.com/
For updates on the UK Online Safety Bill [this ep was recorded in June 2023]: https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3137/news
Follow Amy Northup:
Instagram @supnorthup
http://www.amynorthup.com/
https://linktr.ee/supnorthup
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C.A. Goldberg, PLLC Website:
https://www.cagoldberglaw.com/
Resources Mentioned:
Sex Workers Outreach Project https://swopusa.org/
Sex Workers Project @ Urban Justice Center (NYC) https://swp.urbanjustice.org/
DeleteMe: https://joindeleteme.com/
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Oral Arguments is BACK, baby! Join sex positive victims rights advocate Norma Buster in candid conversations with survivor-activists and experts. Your favorite podcast about sex, tech, & victims rights will be returning Thursday, August 10, 2023.
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It’s the last episode of the season! And it’s National Stalking Awareness Month. In the intro, Norma shares some personal reflections on being a survivor of stalking, as well as some stats on how pervasive this issue is. Then, Norma interviews Matthew Herrick – the man who sued the dating app Grindr. Herrick v. Grindr was a case that sparked a nationwide conversation about the unlimited power tech companies hold and their lack of accountability. In a rare interview, Matthew shares his story of how his ex weaponized Grindr to impersonate Matthew and lure around 1400 men to Matthew’s home and workplace. Matthew hired C.A. Goldberg, PLLC, the firm Norma works for and was a client of as well, and they sued Grindr, and then lost – all because of this one law from ‘96 called Section 230 of the CDA. Norma and Matthew get into big tech accountability, the ways dating apps can do better, dating after being stalked, Matthew’s work with the White House, Matthew’s venture into OnlyFans, and more.
THANK YOU to everyone who’s been listening and sharing Oral Arguments. I’ll be back in spring 2023 with season 2!
Follow Matthew Herrick:
Instagram @matthewstephenherrick
OnlyFans @InstaMadeMeDoIt
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Sexology Summit for Pleasure Professionals, May 10-11 in Washington, DC - use code FREEDOM15 for 15% off virtual or in-person tickets
https://sexpertconsultants.com/summit-tickets
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The president of the United States just called for Democrats and Republicans to unite against Big Tech abuses - Norma gets into it in the intro (link below). Then, this week’s guest is Gabrielle Alexa Noel, AKA Gab Alexa, and she’s an author, software developer, and bisexual, polyamorous influencer. Norma and Gabby discuss purity culture (and how Gabby went from purity pact to polyamory – this episode is full of personal stories from both of them), Gabby’s book How to Live with the Internet and Not Let It Run Your Life, and Gabby’s work in sextech. Gabby is Lead Portal Developer for the dating app #open, and she gets into background checks and other forms of content moderation and how she and her team approach user safety, as well as the challenges sextech companies face (give them money and let them advertise!), and more.
Follow Gabrielle Alexa Noel:
Instagram @gabalexa
Twitter @gabalexa
https://gabalexa.com/
Buy her book, How to Live with the Internet and Not Let It Run Your Life:
https://www.urbanoutfitters.com/shop/how-to-live-with-the-internet-and-not-let-it-run-your-life-by-gabrielle-alexa-noel?color=000&type=REGULAR&size=ONE%20SIZE&quantity=1
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Republicans and Democrats, Unite Against Big Tech Abuses, by Joe Biden
https://www.wsj.com/articles/unite-against-big-tech-abuses-social-media-privacy-competition-antitrust-children-algorithm-11673439411?page=1
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Happy 2023! If you’re in NYC on Jan 10, come to past guest SX Noir event “Ye’s War on Culture, Twitter, and Porn” – Norma is going to be a panelist with Joanna Angel! Ticket link below. This episode features two global survivor-activists: Inȇs Marinho from Portugal, and Noelle Martin from Australia. They are the face of the movement against image-based sexual abuse (IBSA; formerly known as revenge porn) in their countries. Inȇs and Noelle tell Norma about the challenges they face in their activism and the current state of laws on IBSA in their countries, the need for cultural shift on top of legislative change, “deepfakes” + “cheapfakes” (what they are and why those are problematic terms). They get real about the impact their trauma had on their lives, their relationship with their bodies and sexuality, dating as a public survivor, and more.
EVENT JAN 10 IN NYC: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/sx-noir-present-futuresx-yes-holy-war-on-prn-tickets-488021644877?aff=ebdsoporgprofile&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linktree&utm_campaign=sx+noir+present+future%2Fsx%3A+ye%27s+holy+war+on+twitter%2C+p%2Arn+%26+culture+jan+10
Follow Inȇs Marinho:
Instagram @marinhsss
Não Partilhes:Instagram @naopartilhes
Follow Noelle Martin:
Instagram @noellemartin94
Twitter @NoelleMartin94
https://www.noellemartin.org/
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It’s the last episode of 2022! In the intro, Norma reflects on personal highs and lows from the year, the recent Lensa craze/controversy, and the idea of holding an aspirin between your knees (aguanta la aspirina = “keep your legs closed”). Then, Norma talks with Ismelka Gomez, host of El Patio Podcast, who has a background in cultural anthropology, arts, and fashion. Ismelka shares her experience immigrating to the US from the Dominican Republic in high school, and the new identities now attached to her. Norma and Ismelka discuss the some of the complexities of Latino identities, purity + machismo culture within the Latino community and the personal and far-reaching effects, the impact of immigration status on domestic violence, and dating as Latinas. They get into activism in Latin America (and how fashion is used in protests), including within their own home countries – Ismelka explains the recent protests in DR, and Norma gets into Cuba’s recent protests, and they both share their families’ stories facing persecution in their fight for a better future.
Follow Ismelka Gomez
Instagram @ismelka
https://www.ismelka.com/
Listen to El Patio Podcast:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/el-patio/id1636562374
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Article referenced: "'Magic Avatar' App Lensa Generated Nudes from my Childhood Photos" Olivia Snow
https://www.wired.com/story/lensa-artificial-intelligence-csem/
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This week’s guest has many titles: Nicoletta Heidegger is a licensed marriage and family therapist, sexologist, educator, retreat leader, podcaster (go check out her podcast Sluts & Scholars) and more. First, in the intro, Norma provides an update on the SHIELD Act, which would federally criminalize image-based sexual abuse (IBSA, formerly known as “revenge porn”) but unfortunately has been killed (for now) by Mitch McConnell. Norma discusses the years-long fight to get laws passed in the US for IBSA, as well as how we can start to understand and decide which legislation to support in general as voters. Then, in the interview, Norma and Nicoletta get into Nicoletta’s background with training in trauma & human sexuality – and why Nicoletta felt it was important to educate herself in these areas in particular as a therapist. They get into what it’s like to be a public figure while seeing clients, the vulnerability involved in seeing a therapist, equine-assisted therapy, the debate of sex addiction and whether or not it’s real (spoiler alert: looks like NO), and some first steps a trauma survivor can take towards healing.
Follow Nicoletta Heidegger:
Instagram @TherapyWithNicoletta
https://www.nicolettavheidegger.com/
Instagram @SlutsAndScholars
Listen to Sluts and Scholars: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sluts-and-scholars/id1223781930
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Okay, this episode is one that Norma couldn’t wait for you to hear. She sits down with repeat guest SX Noir (who has a background in sex work decriminalization activism – listen to episode 1 for more) and Andrea Powell, founder and executive director of Karana Rising, which supports survivors of sex trafficking. This is a special conversation because it can be rare to get an anti-trafficking advocate and sex work activist in the same room, let alone find common ground as they do in this episode! Norma, Andrea, and SX Noir cover why this conversation is so divided, why movements must be survivor-led and -informed, exploitation of survivors, the circumstances for getting into the spectrum of the sex trade, the conflation of sex trafficking and sex work (and the harms of it), decriminalization (vs legalization) of sex work and the effects on trafficking survivors, and how we can build bridges to get back to why the hell we’re all doing this work.
Follow SX Noir:
Instagram @sxnoir
Listen to Thot Leader Podcast
Follow Andrea Powell & Karana Rising:
Instagram @ankachristine
Karana Rising Instagram @wearekaranarising
www.karanarising.org
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December 17: International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers
https://knock-la.com/december-17-international-day-to-end-violence-against-sex-workers-f15d27d765f3/
Revolting Prostitutes, Juno Mac & Molly Smith
https://www.versobooks.com/books/3039-revolting-prostitutes
Read more about Tiffany Simpson (who’s finally free!):
https://freetiffany.org/
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This episode features sexperts and sex/dating coaches, Natasha Gross and Jeremy Hawn – known as All The Feels. Before the interview, Norma talks about statute of limitations on sexual assault civil claims, and the NY Adult Survivors Act (along with CA) which passed this year. Then, Norma discusses with Natasha and Jeremy their journey going from romantic to business partners and navigating nonmonogamy. They get into healing from sexual trauma by prioritizing pleasure, Roe v. Wade and the attack on our bodies, pick-up artistry and dating for men, OnlyFans and educational porn, and more.
Follow Natasha and Jeremy:
Instagram @allthefeels.us
Website www.allthefeels.us/
Educational Porn OnlyFans https://onlyfans.com/allthefeelssexed
Natasha’s OnlyFans https://onlyfans.com/allthefeels_us
Jeremy’s OnlyFans https://onlyfans.com/jeremy.allthefeels
Follow Norma Buster:
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Info about the NY Adult Survivors Act: https://www.survivorslaw.com/adult-survivors-act
Norma’s article on Nonmonogamy After Trauma: https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2022/10/11123089/nonmonogamous-dating-after-abusive-relationship
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