Episodes
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On October 31st, 1969, two high school students, Patricia Spencer and Pamela Hobley vanished without a trace from Oscoda, Michigan. In this episode of Talking till Dawn, we investigate their disappearance and hope that someone out there knows the truth.
If you know anything that can help find Patricia and Pamela, please contact the Oscoda police department: https://www.oscodatownshipmi.gov/government_departments/police_department.php
We do our best to handle such topics delicately and with respect to the victims, but should anything discussed badly affect your emotional well being, please talk to someone, or call one of the following numbers:
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
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SOURCES:
https://charleyproject.org/case/patricia-ann-spencer
https://charleyproject.org/case/pamela-sue-hobley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Patricia_Spencer_and_Pamela_Hobley
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-harold-covey-20-oscoda-23-dec-1976.619500/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dawn_Magyar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Henry_Abbott
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-patricia-spencer-16-pamela-hobley-15-oscoda-31-oct-1969.146971/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/halloween-mystery-where-are-girls-who-vanished-from-oscoda-michigan-45-years-ago/
https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1673dmmi.html
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/mi-patricia-spencer-16-pamela-hobley-15-oscoda-31-oct-1969.146971/page-11#post-17891836
https://unexplainedrealms.medium.com/pamela-hobley-and-patricia-spencer-had-a-few-things-in-common-they-attended-the-same-school-were-a6ef91367961
https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KAPN/date/1969-10-31
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=4394
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/oh-eileen-adams-14-toledo-18-dec-1967.45553/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/arthur-ream-case-cops-are-digging-up-this-child-killers-burial-ground-again
https://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/williams-leslie-allen.htm
https://fornology.blogspot.com/2014/07/john-norman-collins-associate-andrew.html
https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/case/MP14993
https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/57344
https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/article/was-the-vietnam-war-responsible-for-creating-a-generation-of-serial-killers
https://fornology.blogspot.com/2014/07/john-norman-collins-associate-andrew.html
https://www.grunge.com/1128603/the-night-stalker-richard-ramirezs-violent-cousin-miguel-may-have-inspired-his-crimes/
https://expendableforacause.net/2023/03/09/something-was-terribly-wrong-with-miguel/
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In the late 1500s, a huge man-eating wolf was attacking and devouring the people of Bedburg, Bavaria. It stalked the forests, fields, and even the darkened streets of the surrounding areas. No one was safe from its blood-thirst. Fear and rumours spread throughout the land, until finally that dreaded word was whispered from neighbour to neighbour. A word that would explain how the beast could so easily appear and disappear at will: 'Werewolf'.
In this episode of Talking till Dawn, we investigate the events surrounding this alleged werewolf, pouring over old manuscripts and records to uncover the truth behind this terrifying case and the man who was accused of being a real werewolf: Peter Stump.
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This episode contains discussion of topics, including torture, murder, infanticide, and cannabilism which some listeners may find distressing.
We do our best to handle such topics delicately and with respect to the victims, but should anything discussed badly affect your emotional well being, please talk to someone, or call one of the following numbers:
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Email: [email protected] Source linkshttps://vamzzz.com/blog/peter-stumpp-werewolf-or-political-scapegoat/
https://danarehn.com/2022/05/04/werewolf-petter-stump/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov_wolf_attacks
https://sites.pitt.edu/~dash/werewolf.html#stubbe%22
https://omeka.cloud.unimelb.edu.au/execution-ballads/items/show/1150
https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1027231
"A True Discourse. Declaring the Damnable Life and Death of One Stubbe Peeter, a Most Wicked Sorcerer." London, 1590. (original English version)
Several articles from Newspapers.com.
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January 5, 1935: A young man travelling under an assumed name is found mortally wounded in a room at the President Hotel in Kansas City. His identity and the bizarre circumstances of his death spark a mystery that will puzzle investigators to this day.
This episode contains discussion of topics, including suicide and self-harm, which some listeners may find distressing
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Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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Email: [email protected] Source links https://kansascitymag.com/news/longform/the-owen-case/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Artemus_Ogletree
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/167645421
https://web.archive.org/web/20120321030654/https://www.kclibrary.org/blog/kc-unbound/mystery-room-1046-pt-1-roland-t-owen
https://www.al.com/news/erry-2018/09/56ecbe55ac9479/the-mystery-of-what-was-in-the.html
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Birmingham, England - 18th April 1985: 17-year-old Marion Terry responds to a job listing, and within hours she is found dead under bizarre circumstances in the home of amateur filmmaker Geoffrey Jones. The tragedy would trigger a minor media frenzy, plumb the depths of one man's macabre obsessions, and fuel even darker rumours of snuff rings and murder-for-media...
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Email: [email protected]This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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Croglin, northwest England: A legend looms over this remote Cumbrian village. A harrowing tale of desecrated tombs, sinister intruders, and bloodsucking terror.
One of a very few examples of the vampire in pre-20th Century English folklore, the "Cumberland Phenomenon" is usually presented as a true event... but how much truth does it actually hold? Diving deep into the history and literature of the case, Mike and Martin aim to find out.
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Email: [email protected]This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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We conclude our exploration of the infamous Paisley Witch case of the late 17th Century, examining the horrific details of the trial and subsequent executions, as well as the cultural -- and some say supernatural -- aftershocks that resonate to this day.
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Email: [email protected]This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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Mike and Martin take a look at one of the more obscure monsters of Scottish folklore: the Earth Hound, a mysterious burrowing animal reputed to inhabit graveyards and feast on the bodies of the dead...
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In January 1909, a wave of winged terror swept New Jersey and southeast Pennsylvania. Sightings abounded of a strange, flying creature marauding its way through the settlements of the Delaware River and down to the Atlantic coast, menacing townspeople, attacking pets, and leaving impossible prints in the snow...
Something strange had emerged from the wild Pine Barrens at the heart of New Jersey, something out of the mists of myth and history...
Martin and Mike reach back into those mists to uncover the tangled tale of folklore, religious heresy, slander and superstition behind the legend of the Jersey Devil.
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Just a wee update for your lovely ears. Did that sound sinister? It wasn't meant to. I promise.
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In myths and legends across Europe -- and beyond -- one strange scenario plays out time and time again: a spectral horde thundering across the night sky, pursuing otherworldly prey, or clamouring for battle. Monstrous creatures, werewolves, trolls, old gods and fairy folk. Their arrival foretelling war or natural disaster... the terrifying procession known as the Wild Hunt.
In this special Christmas episode, we explore appearances of the Wild Hunt in legend and history, seek out its possible origins, and examine its unseen influence on modern Christmas celebrations.
(The final part of The Paisley Witches will debut in January)
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In 1697, the Scottish town of Paisley found itself in the grip of a witchcraft hysteria that echoed the infamous witch trials of Salem, Massachusetts four years earlier. Mike and Martin delve into the bloody and tragic details surrounding the case of the Paisley Witches.
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Email: [email protected]This episode contains discussion of topics which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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On a winter's morning in 2005, the dead body of Annie Börjesson was discovered on Prestwick beach in Scotland. The police quickly ruled her death a suicide, but on return to her native Sweden, a series of forensic clues and strange coincidences were noted that cast troubling doubts on the conclusions of the Scottish authorities, and exposed a web of sinister connections encompassing a predatory impostor, clandestine operations, and CIA torture flights...
Did Annie take her own life, or was she murdered? And why?Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn
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Email: [email protected]This episode contains discussion of murder and suicide, which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
References:
Unsolved Mysteries: The Death and Intrigue of Annie Börjesson
The Mysterious Life and Death of Annie Borjesson
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September 12th 1952: After a flurry of UFO sightings, a bright light streaks across the skies of Braxton County, West Virginia, coming to Earth on a hillside near the village of Flatwoods. Witnesses set out to investigate... and experience a terrifying encounter quite unlike anything else in the annals of the weird.
An alien monster, an extraterrestrial robot, a bizarre military psy-op... or the world's scariest owl? Mike and Martin discuss.
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Email: [email protected]References:
The Braxton County Monster, by Frank Feschino
Shoot Them Down, by Frank Feschino
Flying Saucers from the Kremlin, by Nick Redfern -
Some time in 1984, a music-loving teenager recorded an unknown song from German radio onto a cassette tape. Little did he know this simple act would spark a decades-long search, and draw thousands of people into the enigma of what would become known as The Most Mysterious Song on the Internet.
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Resources:Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGf4liO-KQ
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMysteriousSong/
Spreadsheet of TMS leads: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WDtZaXuQ-XadFgS2ah0mC0lzB_xcCC6-uolcHECxi0k/edit#gid=0
Statues in Motion album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ska4lkFMTM4 -
Mike and Martin review and discuss the recently-released "Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" from the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence... a fascinating document detailing the findings of a special investigation into Unidentified Fl-- ahem, I mean "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" encountered by the US Navy and other branches of the armed forces.
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Read the document: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
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In the second of a two-parter, we dig deeper into the crimes of the World's End serial killer, Angus Sinclair.
His victims, his background, his accomplices, the chilling mysteries of his 1970s crime spree, his lasting impact on the Scottish criminal justice system, his final trial where justice for the victims of the World's End murders hung in the balance... and the stunning forensic discovery that changed everything...
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This episode contains discussion of murder and sexual assault, which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 825
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The World's End Murders -- an apt name for such an appalling crime -- rattled the city of Edinburgh in October 1977. Helen Scott and Christine Eadie, two bright, fun-loving 17-year-olds, disappeared from a busy pub in the heart of the city. The following day, miles away in East Lothian, their bodies were found strangled and coldly discarded. The girls had last been seen in the company of two unknown men… So began a true crime mystery, and a search for justice that would span forty years. A search that would finally bring to light a hidden, twisting trail of death and misery left in the wake of one man... a serial killer whose catalogue of crimes had gone little noticed and unconnected for decades… Website: talkingtilldawn.com Twitter: @TalkingTill Email: [email protected] Support Talking till Dawn: patreon.com/talkingtilldawn This episode contains discussion of murder and sexual assault, which some listeners may find distressing. Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123 Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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The Writers' Mythos podcast: https://spoti.fi/3fWB9Kv FitzBeanHappenin' podcast interview: https://spoti.fi/3yS2cz9
Mike and Martin discuss several ghoulish urban folk tales that turned out to have a disturbing kernel of truth at the heart of the myth.
Sewer Gator video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd_Wp...
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9th November 1979 began as an ordinary working day for Robert Taylor, a forestry worker for the Livingston Development Corporation. But a routine visit to a plantation near the M8 motorway led to a surreal, terrifying, life-changing encounter with the unknown...
Mike and Martin examine the facts and theories around perhaps the strangest case in Scottish UFO lore; an incident that would become the only alleged alien encounter to result in a criminal investigation.
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Talking till Dawn investigates the horrifying medical mystery of Tarrare, an 18th Century showman, thief, and spy... a man cursed with eating habits that were almost beyond human imagination...
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This episode contains discussion of murder and eating disorders, which some listeners may find distressing.
Samaritans support network (UK): 116 123
Distress & Lifeline (USA): 1800 273 8255
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