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Caroline Spence has released 5 records independently and via Rounder Records, has written and/or recorded with Emmylou Harris, Lori McKenna, Matt Berninger (The National), and Sarah Jarosz, and toured with Mary Chapin Carpenter, John Moreland, Tyler Childers, and American Aquarium. We talk to Caroline about being in relationship with your creativity, awareness of, and moving beyond defining yourself externally or through your creative output, losing respect for the music industry, accepting that your wants and goals change over time, and a whole lot more.
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Caroline SpenceEp 22 - Group Text (Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon, Caroline and Michaela Anne)âThe Artistâs WayâNonesuch RecordsWilcoEp 60 - Lori McKennaEp 27 - Mary GauthierEddieâs AtticEp 13 - Becca MancariClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Becca Stevens is a Grammy-nominated singer songwriter who has released 6+ records of her own music, as well as collaborating with the likes of David Crosby, Jacob Collier, Laura Mvula, Brad Mehldau, Michael McDonald, Snarky Puppy, as well has having a roll in the Broadway show "Illinoise" based on the music of Sufjan Stevens. We talk with Becca about the nitty gritty of touring with an infant, balancing your passion and creativity with parenthood, balancing that passion with a partner who is also an artist, creating within and through grief, family bands, and a whole lot more.
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Becca StevensMom's On The Bus communityThe Tune MammalsBoydâs ShadowGretchen ParlatoIllinoise MusicalThe Town HallDavid CrosbyClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Brandy Clark is a Grammy winning artist and songwriter, who has had her songs recorded by Sheryl Crow, Miranda Lambert, Kacey Musgraves, Billy Currington, Darius Rucker and more, and co-wrote the music for Tony-winning Broadway show Shucked with Shane McNally. We talk to Brandy about battling self doubt even when it reemerges after you've started seeing success, finding the right community that will validate you and inspire you, her experience with persistence as it took over a decade to have any large career breakthroughs as either a writer or an artist, writing for theater verses a record, being openly gay in the country world, and a whole lot more.
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Brandy ClarkCyndi FormanDave BrainardShucked the MusicalEp 60 - Lori McKennaJessie Jo DillanEp 43 - Gretchen PetersEp 46 - Mary Chapin CarpenterKieth UrbanDwight YoakamBrandi CarlileShangri-La StudioShane McAnallyK.d.langChely WrightFancy HagoodClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Kevn Kinney is best known as the songwriter and singer of the Georgia rock band Drivin N Cryin, who has released 20+ records over the last almost 40 years, some independent and some on major labels, and toured with the likes of Neil Young and The Black Crowes, but Kevn also has numerous solo and side projects, with members of REM, Drive By Truckers, Warren Haynes, John Popper and more. We talk to Kevn about what he calls 'self healing rock and roll', showing up just as you are, unlearning what you've learned so you can be yourself, getting out of writers block by writing about writing, the changing landscape of how you hear music, and a whole lot more.
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Kevn KinneyDrivin nâ CryinEp 73 - Edwin McCainThe Black CrowesDoug LaVallierePeter BuckEp 1 Aaron Lee TasjanIan McLaganThe ReplacementsBad BrainsâLetâs Go DancingâAndy JohnsAnton FierEp 80 John MorelandBruce SpringsteenClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Nicki Bluhm is a singer-songwriter who has released multiple solo records and records with her former band The Gramblers, and has toured/performed/recorded with the likes of Phil Lesh, Aj Croce, Oliver Wood and Todd Snider. Jesse Noah Wilson is a bassist and producer, who currently plays in John Fogerty's band, is a former member of Band of Heathens, and has a studio in Nashville called Rancho Deluxe. We talk with both of them about the insights they've absorbed through working with legendary octogenarians, never losing the drive for the highest quality, tour boundaries, band relationships and band therapists, horses, and more.
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Nicki BluhmJesse Noah WilsonRancho DeluxeJohn FogertyDead & CompanyThe BandRonnie HawkinsBand of HeathensâSome Kind of MonsterâTrent ReznorPhil LeshTerrapin CrossroadsTaras ProdaniukAnders OsborneClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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John Moreland is a celebrated singer songwriter who has steadily released 10+ records, mostly independently (through Thirty Tigers) and one with 4AD, receiving accolades from the New York Times, Fresh Air, and Pitchfork, and has tour with the likes of Dawes, Patty Griffin, and Jason Isbell. We talk with John about cutting back on his 'team' so he could return to being more hands-on, how having lots of middle men involved separated him from both his audience and his creativity, going back to a flip phone, jealousy as positive motivation, following your own timeline, and a whole lot more.
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John MorelandJames BlakeEp 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)Ep 10 - Joe PugColter WallTyler ChildersBenjamin TodEp 64 - Rhett MillerChris StaplesZadie Smith on Ezra KleinJonah HillGillian WelchIris DementLucinda WilliamsClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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The Lone Bellow have released a 5 records on various imprints of Sony Records and Dualtone Records, hitting the Billboard 200 and getting nominated for Americana Awards, worked with producers such as Dave Cobb, and Aaron Dessner of The National, supported Kacey Musgraves and appeared on Letterman, Kimmel, Conan amongst others. We talk to them about healthy conflict in the group, and intentional communication to keep things progressing, betting on themselves and moving away from both outside producers and record labels, leading your team rather than waiting on them, ownership of your art and a whole lot more.
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The Lone BellowAaron DessnerDave CobbCharlie Peacock'Sound Man' by Glyn JohnsJon LowRed Clay StraysChris StapletonJay HieronDualtoneThe Civil WarsClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Tim Easton has released over 13 solo records, 4+ with his bands (Haynes Boys, Freelan Barons, Easton Stagger Phillips), appeared on records by Lucinda Williams, Cory Branan, Otis Gibbs and more, worked with EMI publishing and New West Records, busked through most of Europe, and worked with musicians such as Mike Campbell, Jim Keltner, Tift Merrit and Greg Leisz. We talk to Tim about remaining teachable, turning a passion for fishing in the Alaskan frontier into a solid touring scene, harmonizing to the ABC's in the car with his daughter, boundaries, dreaming out loud, and a whole lot more.
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Tim EastonFolk AllianceDavid SedarisTom MasonOtis GibbsChappell RoanBilly HartTupacBiggie SmallsEp 73 - Edwin McCainWilcoFleetwood MacTom PettyRoger MillerClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Madi Diaz has released 10 records/EPs since 2007, has toured with Kacey Musgraves, Waxahatchee, My Morning Jacket, was a touring member of Harry Style's band, has performed on Fallon, Carson Daly, and countless festivals around the world, and is included on the Far Cry 5 soundtrack. We chat with Madi about resilience, staying focused and driven through a 'cacophony of almosts', putting yourself in the right environment to be creative and productive, songwriters as the backbone of the industry, gratitude for the ability to create in the moment, being pulled off stage after 1 song as a solo opener at Wembley Stadium, and a whole lot more.
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Madi DiazHarry StylesKacey MusgravesWembley StadiumThe Tonight Show with Jimmy FallonWaxahatcheeEp 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Amy Helm has released 4 solo records, 4 with her band Ollabelle, and appeared on 8 of her father Levon Helm's records, as well as records by artists as diverse as Rosanne Cash, William Bell, Tracy Bonham, Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and a handful of her stepfather Donald Fagan's solo and late Steely Dan records. We talk with Amy about taking care of yourself like an athlete, leaving your family behind to tour for long stretches of time, and music cooperatives, and many of the lessons Levon instilled in her, from being a blue collar worker-type musician to constantly trying to better yourself, your craft, and your knowledge.
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Amy HelmOlabelleEp 57 Larry Campbell + Teresa WilliamsEp 73 Edwin McCainLevon HelmSteely DanRick DankoLevon Helm StudiosEp 12 Leyla McCallaLevonâs Midnight RambleClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Nicole Atkins has released 6 records on labels such as Columbia, Razor & Tie, and Thirty Tigers, toured with Stevie Nicks, David Byrne, Fatboy Slim, Nick Cave, and Spoon, and has side project with Jim Sclavunos of Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds. We talk to Nicole about remaining child-like in your creativity, understanding that there are a lot of chances in life, catching the wind when and where it blows, enjoyment vs achievement, stepping up in service to others when you're stuck in your own head, keeping creative friends, and a whole lot more.
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Nicole AtkinsWendy ParrModern Elder AcademyChip ConleyBinky GriptiteDap KingsApril CentroneEp 38 - John DoeTore JohanssonRazor & TieRick RubinAdeleEP 49 - Langhorne SlimJim SclavunousEP 27 - Mary GauthierDavid Byrne - How Music WorksTeddy ThompsonMichael KiwanukaEP 56 - GusterStevie Nicks Weyes BloodLinda Ronstadt: The Sound of My Voice docRegina SpektorClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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This is a special guest episode feature us on the Basic Folk Podcast, in conversation with hosts Cindy Howes and singer-songwriter Lizzie No, as well as author Kim Ruehl. We talk about all things ambition - the good and the ugly, and how we all navigate, accept, and work with it in our varied creative careers.
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Basic Folk PodcastLizzie NoCindy HowesKim RuehlMichaela AnneAaron Shafer-HaissClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Edwin McCain has had 2 singles hit the Top 40 ('I'll Be' and 'I Could Not Ask For More'), released 11 albums, 5 of which have been on the Billboard 200, hosted a syndicated show on Sirius XM, and written and produced a series for Animal Planet. We talk with him about artists as the ambassadors of possibility, knowing what enough is, side hustles and putting your creativity into different outlets (he started, grew, and sold a construction business amongst other endeavors), stepping away from the industry to raise a family, and a whole lot more.
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Edwin McCainEp 61 - Jim Sonefeld Ep 70 - Miko MarksLee BriceMatt RamseyHootieJason FlomLava RecordsLafayette'sOld DominionRed RocksAnimal PlanetDavid WilcoxKevn KinneyAshley McBrydeRebecca Lynn HowardEp 64 - Rhett MillerClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Joseph is a trio of sisters who have released 3 records via ATO, performed on Fallon, Conan, The Today Show, Ellen, Jools Holland, at Coachella, Lollapalooza, Newport Folk, Glastonbury, Outside Lands, and Bonnaroo, and supported The Shins, James Bay, Amos Lee, and more. They recently announced that Allie is choosing to step away from the band, so we discuss this at length - how she came to the decision, the other sisters' reception, what that looks like moving forward both creatively and emotionally, as well as how they navigate family dynamics in the band, approach everything with intentionality, and a whole lot more.
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JosephBonnie Raitt on 'Wiser Than Me'JD McPhersonCayamoLizzoKasey MusgravesThe ShinsFiona AppleWiser Than Me - Julie Luis DreyfusPatti SmithThe StavesEp 13 - Becca MancariClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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We have a special episode this week - we are sharing Sarah Jarosz's conversation on Basic Folk podcast! Sarah is a multi-Grammy winning mandolin player and songwriter who has collaborated with the likes of Chris Thile, the Live From Here house band, Bela Fleck, Daniel Tashian, Ruston Kelly, and Natalie Hemby. In this conversation, Sarah and hosts Cindy Howes and Lizzie No talk about her experience with âconfidence using the âDunningâKruger effect, in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. AKA Fake it till you make, AKA Leap and the net will appear. She also talks about her parents' influence on her early musicality and how her mom is doing with her cancer remission. An overall theme of this conversation is that Sarah never lost sight of her goal: keeping it all about the music and donât let noise get in the way of your important work.
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Basic Folk, honest conversations with folk musicians, features hosts Cindy Howes and the musician/known communist Lizzie No. The podcast approaches interviews with warmth, humor and insightful questions. Basic Folk fosters the folk community, but our definition of âfolkâ is extremely broad, so youâll hear interviews from Molly Tuttle, Ben Harper, The Lone Bellow and many more.
You can listen to Basic Folk on The Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network, wherever you get podcasts or at BasicFolk.com
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Miko Marks is a singer/songwriter from Oakland California, who was a member of the CMT Next Women of Country class of 2022, has played the Grand Ol Opry, won multiple Independent Music Awards, and stepped away from a professional career for over a decade to raise her child and be present for her family. We talk about the choices to step back, as well as to return to performing and recording, how that changed her approach and outlook, grounding in your own path, making your world small, living the experiences you are having, your career as a spiritual journey, and more.
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Miko MarksPatti Smith'Wiser Than Me' PodcastCMA FestRed Tone RecordsKelly McCartneyEp 55 - Rissi PalmerEp 14 - Mark ErelliEp 65 - Elliot BronsonClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Lilly Hiatt has released 5+ records via New West Records, has toured with Drive by Truckers, Margo Price, Aaron Lee Tasjan, has been nominated for Americana Association awards, and is the daughter of singer/songwriter John Hiatt. We talk to Lilly about learning to care about things outside of your career, protecting your inner knowing, deleting your instagram account at 20k followers and staying off of it, not paying attention to numbers, lessons learned from watching her father's career up close her whole life, and a whole lot more.
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Lilly HiattEp 1 - Aaron Lee TasjanEp 6 - Andrew CombsJohn HiattMaya De VitryEp 10 - Joe PugEp 44 - Laura VeirsNo Doubt - 'Simple Kind of Life'The 5 SpotEp 66 - Sean + Sara WatkinsClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Evan Honer turned viral success of a Tyler Childers cover (50mil + streams), into success for his own music with over 250mil streams, and multiple 7-figure offers from most major labels - all of which he decline in favor of staying independent, opting to start his own label (Cloverdale) and helping other young artists gain streaming traction while maintaining ownership of their art. Our youngest guest to date, we talk to Evan about betting on yourself, navigating the frequent ups and downs and direction changes of a social media-centric approach to your career, using your platform and reach to boost and platform your peers, the simple pleasures when you get back from tour, and more.
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Evan HonerCloverdale RecordsNDPNDT PodcastNic DConnor PricePine GroveNoah KahanZach BryanThe Black KeysEp 61 - Jim SonefeldJon BellionLizzie McAlpineStemKyle McAvoyEp 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Jesse Boykins III is a Jamaican-American, Grammy-nominated singer, songwriter, producer, and creative director who has released 5+ records independently and via Def Jam records, collaborated with Steve Lacy, Charlie Puth, Theophilus London, Calvin Harris, and others. We talk at length about advocating for yourself and your creative vision, knowing the tools you have in your toolbox and using the right one at the right time, honoring the mission of the project, saying yes to collaboration to lift others art, simplifying everything, and more.
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Jesse Boykins IIIDef JamBrooklyn First SaturdaysBrooklyn MuseumThe Accountant (movie)MiguelWilcoUMPGNinja TuneHarvey Mason JrCongo SquareClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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Sara + Sean Watkins are Grammy winning musicians that are 2/3 of Nickel Creek (which they started with Chris Thile as kids), The Watkins Family Hour (which features Fiona Apple, Benmont Tench, Jon Brion, John C Riley, and rotating cast of incredible musicians), their own solo records, Sara is in I'm With Her (with Sara Jarosz & Aiofe O'Donovan), as well as collaborations with Jackson Browne, John Mayer, Blake Mills, Dawes, and many others. We talk about the power in diverse skillsets we gain both touring in a large variety of situations as well as various levels of business responsibilities, authenticity and humbleness (versus the emperors new clothes), never taking situations for granted, faking it, and a whole lot of laughs.
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Sara WatkinsSean WatkinsWatkins Family HourNickel CreekI'm With HerDan WilsonBryan SuttonLargoEp 45 - Glen Phillips'Let's Go (So We Can Get Back)' - Jeff TweedyVince GillThe Station InnJenny LewisChris ThileMichael DavesBenmont TenchThe DecemberistsJohn PrineEp 5 - Shovels & RopeClick here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
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