Episodes

  • Roy and Wilson engage in a candid conversation with Kimberly Leong about living with bipolar disorder. Some talking points include: Roy's regrets as a pastor when interacting with a member with bipolar disorder Kimberly's vulnerable recounting of some manic episodes The temptation to argue someone out of a distorted reality The healing properties of sleep, and the safety that allows for deep sleep The road to mental stability, and the supportive people who journeyed with her The wonderful experience of authentic weakness in the presence of Jesus Do medication and therapy help? Living and thriving with mental illness Drop us a line: [email protected]
    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]
    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]
    Music by Nathan Baldwin
    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here:
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827
    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim
    Other podcasts:
    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]
    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

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  • [Warning: This episode contains discussion of suicidality. Please use discretion when listening.]

    Wilson and Roy share an intimate conversation with Sean Fabros about his experience with depression and suicidality. Some talking points include:

    Anger towards life and injustice Pressure within the family to be (or not be) a certain way The pain of rejection Feeling isolated from friends and lacking a sense of belonging Questioning life Feeling invisible and unimportant The therapy experience Plans to end my life How God showed up and showed me a different type of death that leads to Life

    Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: 988

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827


    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim

    Other podcasts:

    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]

    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson Wang and Roy Kim continue discussing the topic of sexual addiction. Some of our talking points:

    The case for accountability groups

    Paul Kelly's 5 column plan

    Practicing honesty is part of recovery. Ministry leaders must lead the way.

    Our hope for the Church to be gracious to those who truly want to heal.

    We had no one to coach us through our emotions, and this created consequences in adulthood.


    We hope something we share helps you feel like there are others in the same boat as you!

    Special thanks to Paul Kelly for teaching me the 5 Column Plan http://www.paulkellycounseling.com


    Drop us a line: [email protected]


    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]
    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]
    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827


    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim


    Other podcasts:


    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]


    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson Wang and Roy Kim continue discussing the topic of sexual addiction. Some of our talking points: How many pastors do we think have a sexual addiction? How do pastors preach so well and lead so well, yet have this huge secret life? Are there yellow flags in "spotting" a sexual addict in ministry leadership? If people are getting saved and ministry is thriving because of a pastor's leadership, is their sexual addiction the necessary blood payment since it's their outlet for stress? What should we be asking God to do in this worldwide situation?

    We hope something we share helps you feel like there are others in the same boat as you!


    Drop us a line: [email protected]


    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]
    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]
    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827


    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim


    Other podcasts:


    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]


    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson Wang and Roy Kim dive into part one of the topic of sexual addiction. Some of our talking points:

    Confessing porn viewing, masturbation, and other sexual behaviors can feel as difficult as confessing murder. There are very few church onramps for talking about sexual addiction. What enabled Wilson and Roy to talk more openly about it? Is masturbation really that bad? What's a better way to phrase this question? How many in the church engage in compulsive sexual behavior? What are some ways to address sexual addiction in the church? Stages of Faith (http://www.janethagberg.com/critical-journey-book.html) Self Guided Sobriety Group 90 Day Challenge (https://www.newlegacycounseling.com/self-guided-sobriety-group/)

    We hope something we share helps you feel like there are others in the same boat as you!

    Drop us a line: [email protected]


    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]


    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]


    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim

    Other podcasts:


    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]

    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson and Roy start a new series on Mental Health. We first address Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. We hope our conversation helps raise awareness and compassion for adults and kids who struggle to focus, to stay still, and who are unfairly labeled as lazy or dumb. We hope something we share helps you feel like there are others in the same boat as you!

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim

    Other podcasts:

    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]

    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson Wang and Roy Kim continue their series focusing on the topic of Relationships. In this episode, Jenn Hsu joins to talk about underrated qualities in a partner. Some of our talking points:

    We say we want to marry a Christian, but what does that really mean? Does your partner know how to negotiate well? Do you know how to negotiate well? Does it feel like you both have an equal voice? When beauty and accomplishments don't matter anymore, will you want to spend decades on end with this person?

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Follow Jenn Hsu on Instagram: @homeneathome_IG

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]


    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]


    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim

    Other podcasts:
    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]

    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson Wang and Roy Kim continue their series focusing on the topic of Relationships. In this episode, Jenn Hsu joins to talk about overrated qualities in a partner. Some of our talking points:

    Addiction to the feeling of falling in love, or "limerence" Beauty, muscles, and charisma (Single's Inferno, anyone?) Wealth, status, and high ambition Opposites attract "Good" Christians dating "bad" people Questions to ask yourself to test if a certain quality is overrated

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    Drop us a line: [email protected]


    Follow Jenn Hsu on Instagram: @homeneathome_IG


    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]


    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]


    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim


    Other podcasts:


    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]


    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Wilson Wang and Roy Kim continue their series focusing on the topic of Relationships. In this episode, Jenn Hsu joins to talk about the wild west of online dating. Some of our talking points:

    Our reasons for trying online dating Memorable online dating stories Pros and cons of online dating Why introverts often prefer online dating Online chemistry can be very different from in person chemistry Online dating tips Roy got catfished

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.


    Drop us a line: [email protected]


    Follow Jenn Hsu on Instagram: @homeneathome_IG


    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]


    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]


    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim


    Other podcasts:


    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]


    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Roy Kim and Wilson Wang are joined again by Jenn Hsu, continuing their series revolving around the topic of Relationships. In this episode, we talk about different approaches to dating. Some of our talking points:

    "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" by Joshua Harris messed us up! You learn a lot about yourself when you're in a dating relationship The Chicken approach to dating vs The Eagle approach Do you have an off-ramp in your dating relationship? A successful relationship does not always end in marriage Sex has a way of masking true intimacy and character flaws Being desperate is not good for your evaluation skills We are complete as single people What do we look for when we are dating someone? Go to more Larping events

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Follow Jenn Hsu on Instagram: @homeneathome_IG

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim

    Other podcasts:

    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]

    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

    Mentioned in today's episode: "How to Get a Date Worth Keeping" by Henry Cloud

    https://www.amazon.com/How-Get-Date-Worth-Keeping/dp/0310262658

  • Roy Kim and Wilson Wang are joined by Jenn Hsu, continuing their series revolving around the topic of Relationships. In this episode, we talk about same gender friendships from a straight perspective. Some of our talking points:

    Why are so many male friendships so superficial? The difficulty for men to be emotionally intelligent in marriage with limited emotional practice as a single What happens when we are not asked to be a bridesmaid? Does everyone have a bestie? Should everyone have a bestie? Ways we feel prioritized in a friendship Things we look for in a friendship Friendship doom stories

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Follow Jenn Hsu on Instagram: @homeneathome_IG

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim

    Other podcasts:

    SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927]

    New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Roy Kim and Wilson Wang are joined again by Hiroko Hsieh, continuing our series on the topic of Relationships. In this episode, we talk about toxic friendships. Some of our talking points: Being lonely can make us make poor relationship choices Narcissism, Codependency, and Insecure Attachment Is there something about us that makes us stay in toxic friendships? Are Christians called to be close with everyone out of agape love? Asian collective and loyal culture makes it extra challenging to navigate toxic friendships Empathy and differentiation Concrete ideas about dealing with toxic friendships Jesus' modeling of Tiers of Friendship Resources for us to get better at navigating friendships
    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you. Drop us a line: [email protected] Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster] Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img] Music by Nathan Baldwin Hiroko Hsieh's website: www.restingsheep.com Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827 Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim Other podcasts: SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927] New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Roy Kim and Wilson Wang are joined by Hiroko Hsieh, continuing their series revolving around the topic of Relationships. In this episode, we talk about co-ed friendships from a straight perspective. This conversation was motivated by the controversy of Pastor Matt Chandler stepping down because of his communication with a female friend. Some of our talking points: What do co-ed friendships provide that same gender friendships do not? What kinds of co-ed friendships are healthy when married, and what kinds are not? Are there unique rules for pastors and co-ed relationships because of the power and trust dynamic? Wilson and Hiroko's story of rich co-ed friendship Roy's story of betrayal due to co-ed friendship Co-ed friendship and sexual addiction As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you. Drop us a line: [email protected] Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster] Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img] Music by Nathan Baldwin Hiroko Hsieh's website: www.restingsheep.com Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827 Roy Kim can be found on social media @thisisroykim Other podcasts: SA Speakeasy [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sa-speakeasy/id1438434927] New Therapist FAQ [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-therapist-faq/id1514669839]

  • Roy Kim and Wilson Wang dive into a new series revolving around the topic of Relationships. In this episode, we talk about how lonely it can feel when we don't have significant relationships, whether they be romantic relationships or friendships.

    Some of our talking points:

    We get why people talk to toys or imaginary friends. Being extremely popular and extremely lonely at the same time. The loneliness of pastoring. Escaping from loneliness through games and porn. What happens if all your friends are married/dating or don't have time for you? The heartache of being an older single and there's no natural "group" for you at church. What if your hobbies don’t align with the majority of your church people? What are strategies to make friends as adults? Do married people do things that are off-putting to singles? Dating and marriage does not cure loneliness.

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    View the YouTube version: https://youtu.be/8F8DBX4Oh58

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

    Roy Kim @thisisroykim

  • Asian American Christians have been leaving the immigrant church for various reasons, and one of the consequences is strong homesickness.

    Wilson Wang and Roy Kim share some of their reflections about missing the immigrant church, despite all its flaws.

    Some of their talking points include:

    Nostalgic and familiar Asian family dynamics at church The centrality of eating together at church Getting scolded at the immigrant church is normal, but getting scolded at a White church is grounds for a fist fight Pastoral visitations are so inefficient, but can feel so good! Obedience to a pastor who knows you vs obedience to a pastor on a screen; and more.

    Plus, we answer listener questions such as: Is there a way to explain to people why you are leaving church, but without slandering?

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    YouTube version of this episode: https://youtu.be/z9-r2N6a09U

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

  • One of the reasons why Asian American Christians have been leaving the immigrant church is because of their experiences of spiritual abuse.

    Wilson Wang, Jenna Fu, and Roy Kim share some of their thoughts, experiences, and questions about spiritual abuse in the immigrant church.

    Some of their talking points include:

    Getting fired in the immigrant church Boundary-less family style church life Parallels with domestic abuse Korean churches resembling military hierarchy Trying to remember an immigrant pastor giving a genuine apology Good and Bad ways to trust a pastor, and more.

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    YouTube version: https://youtu.be/vuZWq-Nm7vg

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com). You can listen to his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

  • A common experience for people in English speaking ministries (EM's) is feeling like they have no voice. They feel an innate pressure to comply with the immigrant church leadership, with little room for discussion.

    What does it do to a person's psyche when you feel like your voice doesn't count, not just in a church context, but in any context for that matter?

    Wilson Wang, Jenna Fu, and Roy Kim share some of their own EM experiences of having no voice, as well as their thoughts of the implications.

    Some of their talking points include: invasion of privacy; protecting the pulpit from false doctrine; Korean Morning Prayer; when is it time to leave? is it grace to allow a congregation to collapse? and more.

    As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    You can watch the discussion here: https://youtu.be/xMhDuCDEKjo

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com) You can listen to some of his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

  • English speaking ministries (EM's) and immigrant churches have had trouble finding ways to thrive together for various reasons. Many of these EM's have left the 1st generation churches, a trend that Helen Lee coined a "silent exodus."

    Wilson Wang, Jenna Fu, and Roy Kim share some of their own EM experiences. They discuss mixed feelings such as "It's so nice to belong here with a village of aunties and uncles" as well as "How do we belong where there's so much condescension and heresy?" As always, we hope that something you hear helps you feel like you're not alone, that there are others in the same boat as you.

    You can also watch our conversation here: https://youtu.be/zHOemzExImc

    Drop us a line: [email protected]

    Produced by Clayton Yip [@yipster_hipster]

    Logo by Hyeyoon Chong [@hye.img]

    Music by Nathan Baldwin

    Wilson Wang is lead pastor of Renew Church OC (www.renewchurchoc.com) and author of the "Called to Be" series and "The Adulting Journal" (www.calledtobeproject.com) You can listen to some of his sermons here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/renew-church-oc/id1038985827

  • A story about my wife, my stepdaughter, and the Lord God who wove us together. This episode bookends a beautiful season of stories and conversations about life behind the curtain. The things we don't post about. The things that drive us to isolation. The things that make us say "Thank God you said that" because we didn't want to say it first.

    My deep heartfelt thanks to all those who have supported this podcast in various ways. It really is an honor to be in the same boat as you. I hope you will continue to show your support as the same boat sets sail in season two ⛵️

    ** Make sure to listen to the very end. You never know, there might be some jokes told by a 10 1/2 year old ...

    Follow Roy on Instagram @thisisroykim or visit his website: www.newlegacycounseling.com

    Follow Jenn on Instagram @homeneathome_IG

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