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  • Who ARTed began five years ago. My love of art began with the Impressionists and Post Impressionists, and I thought there would be no better topic to cover in my anniversary episode. We talked broadly about the movements then discussed five great works including Impression Sunrise by Claude Monet, The Cradle by Berthe Morisot, Paris Street Rainy Day by Gustave Caillebotte, The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh, and Sunday Afternoon on La Grande Jatte by Georges Seurat.
    Related episodes:
    Claude Monet
    Berthe Morisot
    Gustave Caillebotte
    Vincent van Gogh
    Georges Seurat
    Mary Cassatt
    Edgar Degas
    Pierre Auguste Renoir

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  • The Ouija Board was patented in 1891 by Elijah Bond, and that is an odd and interesting story. Bond filed a patent for the "Ouija or Egyptian luck-board" but the patent office was initially hesitant to grant it. They considered the board's ability to answer questions to be unexplainable and potentially fraudulent. To convince the patent officer, Bond and Helen Peters (his sister-in-law) conducted a demonstration. They asked the board to spell out the patent officer's name, which it supposedly did correctly, even though they claimed not to know it. The demonstration worked! The patent officer, reportedly quite shaken by the experience, approved the patent.
    For a spooky fun bonus fact, learn why sheets became symbols of ghosts.
    Related episodes:
    Spirit Photography

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  • Maurizio Cattelan is an Italian artist known for his provocative and satirical sculptures and installations that challenge the norms of the art world. His works often spark controversy and public discourse, blurring the lines between high art and everyday objects. Some of his most recognized pieces include, "Strategies," his mock up of a magazine cover intended to help him land a spot on the actual magazine's cover, "Comedian," a banana duct-taped to a wall, which sold for $120,000, and "America," a fully functional solid gold toilet that was once stolen from Blenheim Palace. Cattelan's art is often seen as a commentary on consumerism, celebrity culture, and the value of art itself.

    My guest this week was Tim Bogatz, host of Art Ed Radio from The Art of Education University (where you can also see articles I have written).
    In this episode, we referenced work by other artists. Listen to these episodes to learn more:
    Marcel Duchamp | Fountain
    Meret Oppenheim | Object

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  • Starting in 1917, the US Radium Corporation hired a bunch of young women to paint watch faces with radium based paints that would glow in the dark. For these young women, it seemed like a great job. They were paid about 3 times what the average working woman was getting at that time, they got to work with this cool new material that glowed like something from science fiction, and the job was relatively easy. They just had to lip, dip and paint. But that first part, the lip part turned out to be a major problem. 
    The women were using camel hair brushes to paint tiny details on watch faces and instrument dials. As any painter could tell you, after just a few brush strokes, the bristles start to splay requiring them to point their brush. The women working for the US Radium Corporation, and a few rival companies of that day were all told to use their mouths to point the brush. While they could have achieved similar results with water and rags, it was more efficient for the workers to simply put the brush in their mouth using their lips, teeth and tongues to get the bristles realigned. Listeners today would no doubt be horrified at the prospect of putting radioactive material into their mouths, but for the so called radium girls, it was part of the job and for many of them, it seemed like a fun perk. There are stories of the young women painting their teeth, or their nails with the radioactive paints. Of course, as the old saying goes, it’s all fun and games until someone’s jaw falls off. Unsurprisingly, it was the dentists who first noticed the health effects of radium ingestion. The radium girls developed a condition referred to as radium jaw or necrosis of the jaw which simply put means the cells in their jaws were dying from radiation poisoning and along with that teeth fell out and bones would become distorted due to tumors or even they might be left with holes in the jawbones. 

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  • Reggie Laurent is a contemporary artist based out of Atlanta. Laurent is a largely self-taught artist working in a variety of media and often on unexpected surfaces. He is known for his DNA series of paintings characterized by bold colors and elaborate patterns in abstract compositions. He says that the DNA series is largely similar to his childhood doodles and the creative expression that was always in him. While many artists inspire students with their stunning work, Laurent goes further by explaining his process and working with groups of students via Zoom.
    Find Reggie Laurent Online:
    https://www.laurentoriginals.com/ 
    www.instagram/laurentoriginals
    https://woodpeckerscrafts.com/reginald-laurent-dna-collection/

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  • Hieronymus Bosch was a 15th-century Dutch painter whose fantastical and often unsettling works continue to captivate viewers today. His most famous painting, "The Garden of Earthly Delights," is a triptych that depicts a complex narrative of creation, temptation, sin, and damnation. Bosch's unique visual vocabulary, drawn from religious iconography, folklore, alchemy, and contemporary social mores, challenged the established norms of religious art and introduced an element of ambiguity into his narratives. Bosch's exploration of human psychology and the darker aspects of human nature contributed to the subversive nature of his art, offering a more nuanced and unsettling view of the human condition. Despite the often disturbing imagery in his paintings, Bosch was a respected member of his community and a devout Catholic. The enduring power of his work lies in its masterful balance between the concrete and the ambiguous, inviting viewers to decipher the complex relationships and narratives within his paintings.

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  • My guest this week is Emily Beeny, the Curator in charge of European paintings for The Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco. She spoke with me about Mary Cassatt at work, an exhibition coming to The Legion of Honor after being displayed at the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
    Check out these links to learn more:
    https://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/2014/degas-cassatt.html 
    https://www.famsf.org/exhibitions/mary-cassatt
    Mary Cassatt was born in Pennsylvania, but she became a part of the French Impressionist circle. Today, she is widely remembered for her somewhat sentimental paintings of mothers and daughters, but the exhibition shows us there was far more to the life and work of Mary Cassatt. We discussed her biography, her paintings and prints including The Coiffure, which is one of the works required for AP Art History. Students studying for the test can check out my AP Art History Cram Session playlist
    Listen to these other Impressionist episodes:
    Edgar Degas
    Gustave Caillebotte
    Pierre-Auguste Renoir
    Berthe Morisot
    Claude Monet

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  • On November 26, 1922, Howard Carter prepared to enter the tomb of a little-known pharaoh. Nobody had set foot inside the space for over 3,000 years, but as Carter held up his candle, his partner, Lord Carnarvon who had financed the expedition called out asking if he saw anything. Carter responded, “Yes, wonderful things.” Though his reign may have been short, the treasures found in Tutankhamun’s tomb have given him an outsized place in the history books and popular culture.
    Related episodes:
    Art Smart | Ancient Egyptian Art
    Who ARTed | The Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead
    Who ARTed | The Mummy's Curse
    Who ARTed | The Pyramids at Giza

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  • This week I spoke with Carrie Rickey, the author of a new biography of Agnes Varda. Varda is considered to be one of the greatest female directors in film history. She is one of the greatest French directors in film history. She is among the greatest and most influential directors in really any category of film. In her decades of work producing film, photographs and installations, she inspired generations of creators with her exploration of fresh perspectives. Varda helped to define the French New Wave.
    Buy A Compliecated Passion: The Life and Work of Agnes Varda on Amazon or wherever you get your books.
    Learn more about Varda:
    https://www.amazon.com/Early-Women-Filmmakers-International-Dual-Format/dp/B06X42G2RT    A DVD box set of films by women filmmakers.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RR1361-7nw Interview with Agnes Varda for the Academy Library
    https://youtu.be/4cG0JF9tuf0?si=qGJDi1JPWyjkPiml  The young Varda photographs Brassai in a slapstick documentary for French TV.

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  • Alfred Stieglitz is considered by many to be the father of modern photography. He looked at the camera as not simply a tool to document the world, but an artistic medium. His photograph The Steerage from 1907 is possibly his most famous work. As he set out on a European vacation, Alfred and his family were in first class, but he did not feel comfortable. He went out onto the deck and looked down at the people on the lower deck, the steerage. He said he wished he could mingle with them and he was struck by the lines and shapes on the ship as well as on the people's clothing. Everything about the scene laid out before him felt like a modern artwork and he sought to create a photograph using those lines and shapes to express his feeling in the moment. He ran back to his room and got his camera but only had one glass plate, one shot to capture the scene.
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  • The brilliance of Edward Hopper is that he was able to be simultaneously specific and concrete yet vague and leave a lot up to the viewer to interpret. In a painting like Nighthawks we see people gathered in a diner, but as viewers we are stuck on the outside looking in. We feel isolated and apart from the scene and as we look closer, we discover that the people inside the diner are isolated themselves. It is not a group of four inside the space but rather a collection of four individuals.
    My guest for this episode was Julie Averbach, the founder of smARTee, a non-profit that helps people feel connected and continue their lifelong learning via free virtual museum tours. She is also the author of the upcoming book, The Art of Trader Joe's (https://theartoftraderjoes.com) which helps readers appreciate the subtle brilliance of the grocery chain.

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  • Mark Rothko is one of the most famous painters of the Abstract Expressionist movement. While many look at his paintings as simple rectangles of various colors, he sought to express much deeper ideas and emotions in the most simple and direct way possible. He meticulously layered washes of oil paint to achieve deep, rich colors on massive canvases that overwhelm the viewer. The Seagram Murals were initially commissioned for an upscale restaurant in the building designed by Mies van der Rohe, but after eating there and seeing the space, Rothko returned the money and kept his paintings in storage because he felt the patrons would not understand and appreciate his work.
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  • Is an AI generated image really art? How might AI tools affect the way artists create their work? Will AI replace human artists?
    Rosemary Lee is an artist and media researcher. Her work considers how image production technologies fit within larger narratives about art, knowledge, and relations between humans and machines. Her book Algorithm, Image, Art considers recent developments in artificial intelligence in relation to historical tendencies in image production. She was kind enough to share her thoughts on AI in relation to artistic production. We talked about AI tools as a revolutionary moment with great promise and peril much like the advent of photography in the mid 19th century. We also discussed some of the ethical implications, the limitations of AI, ways that artists can work with the tools and some of the ways artists are shifting toward processes AI tools cannot replicate.
    Check out Rosemary-Lee.com
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  • Emily Kame Kngwarreye was born around 1910, a time when the Aboriginal people were not considered full citizens in their own country. Earth’s Creation is an absolutely massive painting about 9 feet tall and 20 feet wide. She painted it in 1994 when she was around 84 years old. Most biographies will say that she only painted for the last 8 years of her life, but really, she was only painting for Western audiences for that period. She spent her life learning, practicing, and creating in line with the Aboriginal customs.
    Earth’s Creation is an absolutely massive piece she created in 1994. Kngwarreye was about 84 years old when she painted it. It shows an evolution in her style from the more earth toned traditional pieces she painted as she first began to work on canvas. In this piece we see rich blues, yellows, and greens referencing the lush “green times” that follow periods of heavy rain. She was moving beyond the clay and ochre pigments but still creating work deeply rooted in her connection to the land and nature. This painting is about 9 feet tall and 20 feet wide and when it went up for auction in 2007, it sold for an equally large price of just over $1 million. It set a record for the highest price of a work by an aboriginal artist and the highest price for an Australian female painter. A decade later it sold for over $2 million once again setting the record for the highest price by an Australian female painter.

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  • Sean Roschman is the creative director for Niko8, a dance company in Chicago. He has worked designing, choreographing and directing unique large scale spectacle performances for commercial clients such as Cirque Du Soleil, Lady Gaga, Mercedes Benz Fashion Week 2010, The House Of Yes, The Maritime Aquarium of Connecticut, Terminal5, The Stuyvesant Real Estate Group and others. Recently, he spent 5 years working as a Flying Director for ZFX Flying Effects Inc, choreographing theatrical performer flying for hundreds of performances nationally and internationally.
    Learn more about Niko8 and buy tickets to their performance at www.Niko8.com
    See their next performance at the Ruth Page Center for Performing Arts on Saturday, October 19, 2024 at 7:30pm.

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  • Degas is famous for his beautiful depictions of ballet dancers, but he was also giving a glimpse into the tough reality those dancers experienced.
    Edgar Degas, born Hilaire-Germain-Edgar De Gas in 1834, grew up in a wealthy Parisian family with strong ties to the arts. In 1855, he entered the École des Beaux-Arts, where he trained under Louis Lamothe, a follower of the neoclassical artist Ingres. During this period, Degas focused on traditional subjects, such as historical scenes and portraits and he was fairly successful at it. Degas would be one of the few Impressionists accepted by the Paris Salon although not for the ballet dancers and the style of work we associate with him today.
    Degas was deeply interested in depicting movement and the human figure in action. Ballet dancers, with their graceful poses and dynamic movements, provided him with a perfect subject to explore these artistic challenges. These works provided Degas with opportunities to experiment with perspective, composition, and lighting. He used unusual angles and cropping to create dynamic and unexpected compositions, often emphasizing the patterns of light and shadow on the dancers' bodies and costumes. Ultimately, I think these works have stood the test of time because we can look at them through different lenses and still find something to appreciate. Whether social commentary, a peek behind the curtain and glimpse into another person’s lived experiences or simply an aesthetic experience reveling in the lights, the colors, the texture and flow of the costumes and the graceful movements of the dancers, there is something beautiful in the work.
    Related episodes:
    Claude Monet
    Pierre-Auguste Renoir


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  • Many know the image of Paris Street; Rainy Day, but somehow far fewer know the artist who painted it, Gustave Caillebotte. He was born in Paris in the mid 19th century just as massive changes were happening in urban development as well as with technology and society more generally. Caillebotte inherited a fortune that allowed him to follow his passion for art without needing to worry about what would sell. He loved the new style of the Impressionists and he not only exhibited with them, he supported them by buying their works which he eventually donated to the state.
    Related episodes:
    Georges Seurat | A Sunday on la Gran Jatte
    Berthe Morisot | The Cradle
    Henri de Toulouse Lautrec | At the Moulin Rouge
    Pierre-Auguste Renoir | The Luncheon of the Boating Party
    Claude Monet | The Gare Saint-Larave

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  • Georgia O'Keeffe was one of the greatest American painters of the 20th century. She was among the most influential painters in developing modern abstraction and she influenced numerous artists who would come to follow her including Yayoi Kusama. Her famous red white and blue cow skull was painted as a sort of joke about the New York art scene filled with painters and sculptors seeking to create the quintessential American artwork even though in her estimation, most of them had never made it West of the Hudson River. O'Keeffe loved the desert landscape of the Southwest and converted her Model A into a mobile studio providing shade and some relief from the harsh sun.
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  • This week we are looking at Yves Klein and his famous photograph, Leap Into the Void, from 1960. Klein had a short but highly influential career as he pushed the boundaries of what could be considered art. He made a symphony of a single note, used humans as paint brushes, and even patented his own color.
    My Guest this week is Tim Bogatz, host of Art Ed Radio from The Art of Education University. I have listened to Art Ed Radio for years, just as I have utilized the resources from AOEU and I highly recommend all my fellow art teachers listen, read and learn from Tim and AOEU.
    Listen to Art Ed Radio: https://theartofeducation.edu/podcasts/how-you-can-gamify-your-classroom-ep-320/
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  • Angkor Wat is the largest religious structure in the world, located in Siem Reap, Cambodia. Built in the 12th century by King Suryavarman II, it is dedicated to the Hindu god Vishnu and was likely intended as the king's tomb. The temple's construction, which involved 300,000 workers and took over 30 years, showcases the Khmer Empire's impressive architectural and engineering skills. Its intricate carvings depict Hindu mythology and historical events, while its design represents Mount Meru, the mythical home of the gods. Angkor Wat served as both a religious center and a symbol of the king's power, reflecting the Khmer belief in the connection between the divine and the earthly realms. Though its original name is unknown, Angkor Wat's grandeur and historical significance have earned it recognition as a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

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