Episodes
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A stronger emphasis on merit now will be crucial to ensure a thriving public service in the future, former APS Commissioner Andrew Podger AO tells us on this episode of Work with Purpose.
APS Reform is in full swing, but what else could be added to the agenda? On this episode, we hear the perspective of former senior public servant, now commentor and researcher, Andrew Podger AO on the value of merit, where stewardship is appropriate, and what has affected capability within Australia’s public sector.
In discussion with IPAA National President Andrew Metcalfe AO, Andrew Podger talks us through his views of how APS values could better highlight the public service’s commitment to the public. He also discusses his idea of bringing back tenure for secretaries with a stronger focus on merit assessments, and why the Public Service Commissioner should act as the professional head of the public service.
In future discussions, we’ll also hear from others in our sector, who are grappling with this same question. Keep an eye out for future episodes which will highlight other academic and practitioner perspectives and research on some of Australia’s public sector’s most pressing challenges.
Contributions to the public sector reform debate on:
· why merit should be given more weight in the public service and other statutory appointments
· a code of conduct that is a statutory requirement for ministerial staff and their relationship with the public service
· suggestions about what stewardship should mean for secretaries
· clarifying the public service’s commitment to the public
· rewards and penalties for secretaries
· the APS Commissioner as the professional head of the public service
· the role of merit in appointments for positions such as high commissioners or ambassadors
· improving the way the public services hires contractors
· rebuilding expertise in the public service
· conflict of interest and post-separation employment provisions.
Shownotes
Discussion paper: Further reform of the Australian Public Service | ANU Centre for Social Research & Methods
2024 IPAA ACT Conference: Ready to Rethink
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Dr Wendy Craik AM FTSE joins us for this episode reflecting on a career of curiosity and collaboration in service of Australia’s marine environment.
Dr Wendy Craik AM FTSE has had a long and distinguished career across science, not-for-profits and the public sector. What has she learned along the way, from her time as a PhD candidate in Canada researching fish to working on the first management plans for the Great Barrier Reef?
Find out on this episode of Work with Purpose as David Pembroke sits down with Wendy to discuss her golden rules for effective collaboration and trust in complex environments. Drawing on her experience at the reef and her time at the National Farmers Federation, Wendy encourages everyone not to let fear get in the way of a great opportunity.
Wendy also explores how social media is affecting growing cynicism and distrust in science and why everyone has a role to play in providing solid evidence to challenge misinformation.
Discussed in this episode:
· Being curious about people and opportunities
· The development of the first management plans of the Great Barrier Reef
· Building collaboration and trust, even if parties have different goals
· How to be open and honest about the things you don’t know
· The root cause of distrust in science
· What everyone can do to promote evidence
· Why she is optimistic about progress
· Advice on communicating science effectively and transparently
· Why any good relationship takes time to develop.
Shownotes:
2024 Frances Adamson Oration | IPAA NationalHosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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In a first for Work with Purpose, we welcome The Hon Patrick Gorman MP to talk about his journey into politics, supporting the Prime Minister, and his vision for the use of artificial intelligence in the public service.
From Assistant Minister to the Public Service, to Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister, to – more recently – Assistant Minister to the Attorney-General, the Hon Patrick Gorman MP covers an extensive portfolio of work. On this episode of Work with Purpose, he tells us how he keeps up with his responsibilities, and why he enjoys working to support Australia’s communities.
In conversation with host David Pembroke, Assistant Minister Gorman reflects on what his time as an adviser to former prime minister Kevin Rudd has taught him about reconciliation and how Australians are seen on the international stage. Minister Gorman also discusses what robodebt meant for Australians and the public service, and the way forward through integrity and stewardship. Lastly, he talks through embracing technological shifts in the public service and why AI should be used to create value for taxpayers.
Discussed in this episode:
· Minister Gorman’s way into politics
· Connecting with constituents
· What he learned in his time as adviser to former prime minister Kevin Rudd
· His role as Assistant Minister for the Public Service, Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister, Assistant Minister to the Attorney-General
· How assistant ministers support ministers
· Digitisation and smart ways of working
· Putting people and businesses at the centre of government
· Reflections on robodebt
· How the public service can ensure artificial intelligence delivers value for Australia’s communities.
Shownotes
· The Hon Patrick Gorman MP | Parliament of Australia
· IPAA ACT Express Summit: AI in the public sector | Department of the Prime Minister & Cabinet
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Dr Trish Mercer, Andrew Tongue PSM and Fiona Barbaro PSM return to complete your policy essentials class with a focus on the mystical policy window, the art of foresight, and the power of evaluation.
In today’s complex and fast-moving environment, opportunities to introduce a policy can be tricky to identify. Dr Trish Mercer from the Australian National University, experienced former public servant Andrew Tongue PSM, and Fiona Barbaro PSM from the ACT Government tell us how to ensure you’re ready when the policy window opens.
The panel also dives into why foresight is a crucial, yet underused skill, and how to get it right to create policies and bureaucracies that are made to last. We’ll also get into why evaluation needs to be more than an afterthought, and our guests recommend their best resources for aspiring policy experts.
Discussed in this episode:
· tuning into ministers’ values and priorities
· keeping on top of ‘hot’ issues
· partnering with communities
· how to grow professional relationships
· the importance of foresight to build policy narratives
· upgrading delivery systems to match communities’ needs
· building policy evaluation into policy design
· why policymakers should draw on successes from across local, state and federal levels.
Shownotes
· The policy window | APS Academy
· Rationality and Modernity | Max Weber
· Publications, resources, FAQs | Commonwealth Ombudsman
· Publications | ACT Ombudsman
· The Mandarin
· Grattan Institute
· James Martin Institute for Public Policy
· Australian Government Consulting
· Muddling through | APS Academy
· The Bridge | ANZSOG
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Dr Trish Mercer, Andrew Tongue PSM and Fiona Barbaro PSM take us back to the essentials of policy-making – from understanding the political environment to creating a convincing narrative.
What do you need to know about the political environment to make good policy? And how do you create a narrative that gets people on board with your proposal?
In this first Work with Purpose episode in our two-part series on policymaking, host David Pembroke gets back to the basics of policy development, advice, and evaluation with Dr Trish Mercer from the Australian National University, experienced former public servant Andrew Tongue PSM, and Fiona Barbaro PSM from the ACT Government.
Together, they discuss how to get to know the government and minister you’re working for, why you need diversity of thought to create meaningful policies, the magic of a well-crafted narrative, and the crucial final tool that every policymaker needs: patience.
Discussed in this episode:
· Understanding a minister and the political environment
· Resilience and patience
· Using political theory as a guide
· Why diversity equals robustness
· Engaging your stakeholders to build trust and confidence
· Creating a convincing narrative
· Crafting concise advice for a minister
· Why making good policy takes time.
Shownotes
· The policy window | APS Academy
· Why policy narrative matters | ANZSOG
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Matt Yannopoulos PSM, Associate Secretary of the Department of Defence, maps out a unified approach for the public service to defend Australia’s interests.
In a world with increasing geopolitical tension, collaboration across the public service remains key to protecting Australia’s security and prosperity. On this episode, David Pembroke sits down with Matt Yannopoulos PSM, Associate Secretary of Defence, to explore what it takes to do this well.
They delve into the importance of a whole-of-government approach, emphasising the need for speed, focus, and coordination across various government agencies to enhance national security and preparedness.
Matt also shares his perspectives on the current geopolitical landscape, the transformation within the Department of Defence, and the strategic initiatives aimed at accelerating defence capabilities.
Discussed in this episode:
· a cross-agency approach to defence
· strategic priorities in the 2024 National Defence Strategy
· challenges and opportunities in defence transformation
· the role of the public service in national security and economic prosperity
· strategies for effective collaboration and innovation in the Department of Defence.
Shownotes
2024 National Defence Strategy
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In celebration of NAIDOC Week, Corey Tutt OAM from DeadlyScience and artist Ben Williams share the spirit of pride in their heritage and work. They invite you to listen closely to create true connections with First Nations peoples.
How can all Australians join in celebrating First Nations peoples’ contributions? And what will it take for the public sector to become a genuine partner for Indigenous-led organisations?
On this Work with Purpose episode in celebration of NAIDOC Week, Corey Tutt OAM and Ben Williams share their journey of connection and partnership that culminated in their new book ‘Caution! This Book Contains Deadly Reptiles’. Connecting with this year’s theme ‘Blak, Loud and Proud’, Ben and Corey speak from the heart about how pride in heritage and family can be a way to reclaim what First Nations peoples have lost through colonisation.
In conversation with guest presenter Kate Driver, CEO of IPAA ACT, Corey and Ben encourage public sector professionals to become true allies, leave aside any bias and celebrate the important contributions First Nations peoples make to Australia every day.
Discussed in this episode:
· how the public sector can effectively connect with indigenous-led organisations
· the story behind Corey and Ben’s new book
· the importance of good relationships in creating great work
· vulnerability and safety when creating art
· pride in heritage as a way to defy the impact of colonisation
· ways to self-determination
· removing stigma, status and bias
· how to become a better ally to First Nations peoples.
During NAIDOC Week, First Nations peoples are often asked to contribute and volunteer their time to educate others about their culture and knowledge. contentgroup and IPAA ACT want to ensure that we recognise the cultural load that Ben and Corey have generously taken on for this episode by financially recognising their expertise. We encourage you to show your support for Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander speakers at your events in the same way. If you would like to support either Corey or Ben, consider purchasing their book, one of Ben’s artworks, or making a donation to DeadlyScience.
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Dr Amaly Khalaf and Dr Steven Munns from the Australian Public Service Commission explore psychological safety in public sector workplaces – from the desk to the frontlines.
Creating workplaces which are both mentally and physically safe is a mission close to Dr Amaly Khalaf’s and Dr Steven Munn’s hearts. On this episode of Work with Purpose, they talk us through how the public sector is working towards this – from exemplary and trustful leadership to processes grounded in evidence.
Amaly, principal psychologist and lead of the APS Mental Health and Suicide Prevention Unit, shines a light on the new ADDRESS program, designed to support public sector agencies and staff in building mentally healthy workplaces. Steven, assistant commissioner, Diversity & Inclusion Branch, then connects this to how psychosocial hazards play out at the frontlines – for example at Centrelink or veteran’s services – and what can be done to support staff exposed to aggressive or abusive behaviour.
Discussed in this episode:
· the difference between psychosocial and psychological safety
· types of psychosocial hazards
· the ADDRESS program
· service-user violence and aggression
· reporting psychosocial hazards
· embedding honest reporting processes.
If you feel distressed during the episode, there is support available to you. Please call Lifeline’s 24/7 support line on 13 11 14 if you need someone to talk to.
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Secretary of the Department of Health and Aged Care Blair Comley PSM tells the story of his public service career, and highlights how devolving leadership in the public sector can reduce risk, increase work quality and staff satisfaction.
Blair Comley PSM looks back at an outstanding career across the public and private sectors, from designing the GST to driving the Department of Health and Aged Care’s recent capability review.
On this episode of Work with Purpose, he revisits some of the milestones of his career and how they have shaped his approach to devolution – where mid-level staff in the public sector are empowered to make decisions and build closer relationships important stakeholders. He discusses the three key ingredients to make it happen at your organisation: skills, culture, and capability.
In conversation with podcast host David Pembroke, Blair also explores uplifting policy capability at the Department of Health and Aged Care, communicating with success, and what role consultants can play in public sector work.
Discussed in this episode:
· Devolution and its benefits for the public sector
· The Department of Health and Aged Care’s capability review
· Uplifting policy-making capability
· Key writing and communications skills for policymakers
· Lessons from consulting work
· The role of consulting in the public service
· The importance of optimism for driving innovation.
Shownotes
Capability review | Department of Health and Aged Care
Daniel Goleman | Emotional intelligence
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As the UN Climate Change Conference wraps up in Bonn, our Work with Purpose guests Dr Mara Hammerle and Andrew Hudson discuss the link between climate change and wellbeing and share some innovative ideas for greening government procurement.
Climate change remains one of the world’s most complex and systemic challenges. With a profound effect on human wellbeing, experts across the world are looking for ways to reduce its impact and embed better policy solutions.
On this episode of Work with Purpose, Dr Mara Hammerle and Andrew Hudson from the Centre for Policy Development talk about embedding wellbeing in decision-making, understanding communities’ adaptive capacity when it comes to a shift away from fossil fuels, and why locally-led approaches are key to creating responses that work.
Together with host David Pembroke, they also discuss the opportunities in greening government procurement to reach Australia’s emissions reduction goals.
Discussed in this episode:
· Embedding wellbeing metrics organisations and policies
· The importance of locally-led approaches
· Adaptive capacity and what it means for communities
· The role of the Net Zero Economy Agency
· Decarbonisation procurement rules and incentives
· Balancing up-front and life-cycle costs
· Shifting to long-term thinking over short-term solutions
· Andrew’s recipe for unreasonable optimism.
Shownotes
Measuring what matters | The Treasury
Wellbeing government initiative | Centre for Policy Development
Greening government report | Centre for Policy Development
2024 Purpose of government pulse | Centre for Policy Development
2023 intergenerational report | The Treasury
Early intervention investment framework | Victoria State Government
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On today’s Work with Purpose episode, Director General of IP Australia, Michael Schwager tells IP Australia’s innovation success story, and how the broader public sector can follow in its steps.
Did you know that 57 per cent of IP Australia's staff rate their culture as positively supporting innovation, 18 per cent higher than the APS average? Today, we hear from with Michael Schwager, Director General of IP Australia, about pioneering innovation in the public sector in conversation with host David Pembroke.
Michael shares how IP Australia balances risk and innovation to create a culture where new ideas thrive, and failures are learning opportunities. He also offers practical advice and examples from his experiences on how public sector bodies and individuals can drive forward-thinking initiatives.
Show notes:
· TM checker tool | An example of innovation
· Observatory of Public Sector Innovation | OECD
· Behaviourial economics | Innovative practice
· ATO Cyber Program | Innovation in digital solutions | OECD
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On today’s Work with Purpose episode, Dr Nina Terry, Bec Bodel and Professor Brenton Prosser help you learn the ropes of human-centred design.
In today's complex world, how can the public sector effectively ensure that its policies and programs are centred on the needs of the people they serve? This episode explores human-centered design as one piece to solving this puzzle.
Host David Pembroke convenes class with three leading experts in the design space: Bec Bodel from the Australian Taxation Office, Brenton Prosser from UNSW Canberra, and Dr Nina Terrey from ThinkPlace. Together, they walk through the most important parts of the design process and discuss how empathy, creativity, and strategic thinking can truly make a difference to policy and service delivery for Australia’s communities. Our guests also share practical tips and resources for you to hit the books and start your own design journey.
Show Notes:
How to empathy map | Nielsen Norman GroupExpand: Stretching the Future By Design | Book by Christian Bason and Jens Martin SkibstedCommunity-led project | Just ReinvestPolicy-making through design | The Policy LabIntro to human-centred design | Government of VictoriaInternational Design in Government CommunityDon't Make Me Think | Book by Steve KrugHuman-centred design program | An outline of National Standards for Out‐of‐home CareGovernment centred design, future-led | NESTAHosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Today, we celebrate 100 episodes of Work with Purpose with a special conversation between two passionate public servants: Dr Gordon de Brouwer, Australian Public Service Commissioner and Thanuri Welaratne, education programs officer at Questacon. Together, they explore Gordon’s extensive career journey, covering the APS reform agenda and his report on bullying and harassment.
Gordon highlights the critical role public servants play in maintaining democratic governance and upholding the principles of transparency, accountability and service to the community. Along with Thanuri, Gordon also discusses how public servants can navigate work-life balance, and what flexibility means post-pandemic.
Framing the conversation, host David Pembroke looks back on Work with Purpose’s 100-episode journey – from its first episode covering the public service’s COVID-19 response to today’s conversation about reform, stewardship, and purpose.
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Daniel Patterson has always been keen to do good for Canberra’s communities – and their backyards. On this episode of Public Sector Unearthed, the horticulture expert and passionate public servant tells us the story of Canberra’s innovative European Wasp program.
Daniel shares how his team manages European wasps in the ACT, by focusing on eco-friendly, preventative measures. He talks us through how the program evolved through using new luring techniques and focusing on preventative, rather than reactive, approaches for trapping queen wasps to reduce the wasp population.
The program became a standout initiative in public safety and environmental management, earning the 2023 IPAA ACT Spirit of Service Awards in the ‘Breakthrough’ category.
This episode’s Unearthed wisdom: Pest control is crucial to keeping local species and communities safe and thriving.
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Whilst the ‘whole-of-nation’ approach is not new on the global stage, it is still a relatively new concept in Australian international policy circles. Amidst global challenges that demand more than just government action, it is also becoming increasingly vital. Unlike the familiar whole-of-government strategy, the ‘whole-of-nation’ approach includes a broader coalition, encompassing public sector agencies and actors from science, sports, arts, industry, civil society and more. But what are the nuances of this approach, and what potential does it hold for Australia on the global stage?
In this episode, host David Pembroke welcomes Melissa Conley Tyler, executive director of the Asia-Pacific Development Diplomacy & Defence Dialogue (AP4D) and honorary fellow at the University of Melbourne. The discussion hones in on a comprehensive report published by AP4D in February, which involved consultations with 113 individuals from 93 organisations on the whole-of-nation approach. Throughout the episode, Melissa sheds light on the perceived benefits, potential barriers, and the critical balance between commercial and national interests. Tune in to discover how this approach applies to various areas, from major sporting events to climate change initiatives.
Show notes:
A whole-of-nation approach to international policy | Asia-Pacific Development, Diplomacy and Defence Dialogue
The whole-of-nation approach in attaining inclusive and sustainable peace | National Task Force to End Local Communist Armed Conflict
A whole-of-nation approach | Executive Order No. 70, President of Philippines
Public service to go from ‘whole-of-government' to ‘whole-of-nation' | The Straits Times, Singapore
A Whole of Nation Approach | Singapore Government
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In this episode of the Public Sector Unearthed podcast, Matt Padovan and Noel Chan from the ACT public service walk us through the organisation’s innovative flexible work program.
Having worked on this project well before the world had to grapple with more flexible work demands due to COVID-19, Matt, who is director of flexible work within the ACT Government’s Office of Industrial Relations and Workforce Strategy, reflects on the program’s development. He highlights that it is as much about innovative workspaces as it is about cultural uplift, and why this approach wasn’t without challenges in the initial stages.
Noel, who is director of the North Canberra Hospital Transition Project at the ACT Health Directorate is an avid user of the flexi hub workspaces, with the Belconnen site being her personal favourite. She talks about how the flexible workspaces have improved her work-life balance, and how it’s helped her gain a fresh perspective on the importance of collaboration between different directorates.
Together with guest presenter Brock Phyland, Matt and Noel explore how flexible workspaces have transitioned from simply providing location flexibility to driving a cultural shift that promotes collaboration and innovation across various government areas.
This episode’s Unearthed wisdom: Experimentation and taking risks are key to creating flexible workspaces that are responsive to workforce needs.
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In episode 7 of the Public Sector Unearthed podcast, we hear the success story of the Fitzroy Crossing service centre's redevelopment from Ewa Griffiths and Zara Nehow, who were at the core of this initiative. Their innovative approach involved creating a co-designed space that respects local needs and incorporates elements reflecting cultural aspects and Indigenous arts. This earned them the 2023 IPAA ACT Spirit of Service Awards in the Community Engagement category.
Ewa, the director of face-to-face service transformation at Services Australia, discusses the broader vision and strategic approach behind the redesign of the Fitzroy Crossing service center. She talks us through how the plan for the redesign came about and highlights lessons for future service center redesigns.
Meanwhile, Zara, who is the service centre manager at Fitzroy Crossing with Services Australia hones in on community connection and takes us on a virtual walkthrough of the service centre. She also talks candidly about the impact of the 2023 floods on the newly opened center and how it has affected the redesign and the community.
This episode’s unearthed wisdom: Empathy, collaboration, and a deep respect for cultural heritage are the cornerstones of creating spaces where communities can truly connect.
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The theme for this year’s International Women’s Day is 'Count Her In: Invest in Women. Accelerate Progress.' In Australia, progress toward gender equality is ongoing, yet significant challenges remain, particularly in financial security and workforce participation. Additionally, systemic issues like the undervaluation of care and the prevalence of part-time work disproportionately affect women's financial security. So how can Australia’s governments, businesses and communities work together to tackle these persistent challenges?
In this Work with Purpose extra episode Cath Ingram, IPAA ACT board member, speaks with Cherelle Murphy, EY Oceania chief economist, and Padma Raman, executive director of the Office for Women at the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, about the state of gender equality in Australia. They discuss how to improve financial inclusion for women, and examine how gender-sensitive budgeting can pave the way for more equitable policies.
Discussed in this episode:
Empowering women through financial literacyThe importance of data sharing to improve women’s financial inclusionCreating workplaces free of sexual harassment and sexual discriminationThe role of the Women in Economics Network in supporting women in their careersRecognising intersectional challenges faced by women.Show notes:
Media release: National gender pay gap of 13.3% just a fraction of the real cost on women | Workplace Gender Equality AgencyGender equality and intersecting forms of diversity | Workplace Gender Equality AgencyInternational Women’s Day | UN WomenHosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Trigger warning: This podcast discusses topics related to war and warfare, which some listeners might find distressing. If you need someone to speak with, do not hesitate to contact Beyond Blue’s 24-hour support via 1300 22 4636.
As AI continues to evolve, its application in defence raises critical ethical questions. Ensuring the responsible integration of AI technologies within the Australian Defence Force (ADF) demands strict adherence to ethical standards. How then, can policy makers and public administrators ensure that the deployment of these technologies aligns with strategic objectives, ethical standards of the ADF and international law? Further, what are the potential impacts of AI on decision-making processes and the dynamics of warfare?
In this first new Work with Purpose episode in 2024, host David Pembroke is joined by two leading Australian experts in AI ethics and military applications. Professor Toni Erskine from the ANU Coral Bell School explores the moral agency of AI-enabled military tools and what they mean for future use-of-force decisions. Adjunct Professor Kate Conroy from the Centre for Robotics, School of Electrical Engineering and Robotics at Queensland University of Technology, examines the ethical challenges of AI deployment in military and civilian contexts. The conversation covers the complex environment of AI in defence, shedding a light on autonomy in weapon systems, and emphasising the importance of balancing technological progress with ethical responsibility in defence. Kate Conroy speaks in her personal capacity and views are her own.
Show notes:
A method for ethical AI in Defence | Defence Science & Technology GroupAustralia’s System of Control and applications for Autonomous Weapons Systems | Australian GovernmentBad, mad and cooked: Moral responsibility for civilian harm in human-AI military teams | Dr Kate Conroy née DevittHow might AI affect the trustworthiness of public service delivery | Department of the Prime Minister and CabinetEthical use of AI in the workplace - AI WHS Scorecard | NSW GovernmentSystems of Control | UNODAAI, automated systems, and future use-of-force decision making: Anticipating effects | Professor Toni ErskineAnticipating the Future of War: AI, Automated Systems, and Resort-to-Force Decision MakingHosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Despite greater flexibility and more opportunities, gender equity still has some way to go. The country’s gender pay gap persists, and women are still underrepresented in leadership positions according to the Workplace Gender Equality Agency. One of the ways workplaces and women themselves are trying to turn the tide, is to offer and actively engage in mentoring.
In our final rerun of the most popular episodes of 2023, we revisit a conversation that aired around International Women’s Day. It featured two inspirational female leaders: Tania Rishniw, Deputy Secretary of Employment and Workforce at the Department Employment and Workplace Relations, and Nina Davidson, Deputy Director-General Intelligence at the Office of National Intelligence. They discussed how mentoring can benefit women throughout their careers and what a great mentoring relationship should look like. Tania, Nina, and Caroline also talked about some of the women who inspired them, including the influential Dr Margot McCarthy, who championed women through coaching and mentoring until her recent passing in 2022. Margot was the first female national security advisor, a leader in social policy and a founder of the APS Academy.
Discussed in this episode:
Honesty, openness, and listening as key ingredients for good mentoringMargot McCarthy’s fierce leadership and support for other womenOvercoming self-censorship as a womanEmpowering and amplifying women’s voices.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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