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Disagreeing With Divine Command Ethics
This week we cover with the final two outlooks that do more disagreeing with Divine Command Ethics than Virtue Ethics did. Here, Natural Law Ethics presents some interesting considerations. The Prophetic Ethics...well, there's a reason I call it Woke Theology.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:27 - Natural Law Agrees With 2 Areas Of Divine Command
05:17 - Agreement Between Commands & Obligations
06:52 - Commands Aren't The Only Or Typical Way Humans Get Obligations
10:39 - 5 Other Ways Humans Are To Figure Out What To Do Other Than Divine Commands
13:58 - Are NT Believers Commanded To Take Care Of Others?
19:04 - Prophetic Ethics Likes That Divine Command Responds To Supersessionism
21:22 - Divine Command Relies Too Much On Kant And Not Enough On Jesus
22:50 - Divine Command Anglicanism Is Too Racist To Be True
27:09 - Conclusion
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Responding To Divine Command Ethics
We start the response of our third Christian ethical system by having the Virtue Ethics responding to Divine Command Ethics. Here, our V.E. fellow has many good things to say about the D.C. fellow. Three minor issues that could use some shoring up but a major one is leveled. Do you think this knocks out Divine Command Ethics from contention?
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
04:18 - Virtue Ethics Likes 2 Parts To Divine Command Ethics
09:19 - 3 Minor Issues And 1 Major Issue
10:20 - Minor Issue 1 - Individual Vs. Group Commands
13:45 - Minor Issue 2 - God's Advice Vs. Commands
17:44 - Minor Issue 3 - Generic Kant Without The Specifics
21:23 - Major Issue - Why Is Christianity All About Commands?
24:45 - Conclusion
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Defining Divine Command Ethics
Now that we've defined Divine Command Ethics, our proponent of the model is going to preemptively address four objections to Divine Command to help in the discussion.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
02:36 - Objection 1 - Regress Of Why Do What's Commanded
05:52 - Answer 1 - Looking At The 2 Tables Of The 10 Commandments
13:28 - Objection 2 - Morality Is Arbitrary
15:43 - Answer 2 - Goodness Comes From Purposes Not Commands
19:02 - Objection 3 - Commands Infantilizes Humanity
20:57 - Answer 3 - Adulting For God
24:55 - 5 Features Of Receiving A Divine Command
30:12 - Objection 4 - Pluralism - Which Commander?
31:53 - Answer 4 - Why Does This Only Go One Way? No Neutrality
34:12 - Conclusion
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Defining Divine Command Ethics
Welcome to episode 300! Thank you to everyone who has watched/listened and joining our book club with us. We appreciate you all.
This week we introduce defining Divine Command Ethics. While it seems a simple thing to define, one must take into account things like rightness vs. goodness in morality, what are commands in ethics, how proper authority is established, and if moral obligations play a part in any of it.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
00:26 - 300!!!
03:28 - Real Introduction
04:49 - Defining Divine Command Ethics
05:50 - Right Vs. Good Via Kant
07:31 - Two Points In Defining Moral Right & Wrong With God's Commands
12:41 - Defining 5 Commands With God's Commands
14:44 - Moral Obligations Not Moral Rights
17:09 - What Is Right & Proper Authority
21:21 - The Relationship Between Moral Obligation & Divine Command
23:30 - Defining God's Divine Command
26:10 - Conclusion
Shoutouts to:
Richie Torres
Josh & Jeff at Anarchist Bible Study
Troy Fraiser at Revive Thoughts
Katie Roome at Periapsis Press
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Divine Command & Woke Theology Critique Of Natural Law
We kick off the second critique by looking at the Virtue Ethics critique of Natural Law Ethics. Here, it seems, that our proponent of Virtue Ethics likes the presentation of Natural Law but gives a couple of critiques to help strengthen the position. Come on! I want to see some knock-down, drag-out fighting - for the glory of God of course!
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:22 - Virtue Ethics Response To Natural Law Ethics
01:55 - Approves Of No Naturalist Fallacy
05:55 - Approves Of Allowing Different Viewpoints In Under The Natural Law Tent
07:42 - Human Nature Isn't A Thing In And Of Itself
11:16 - Doesn't Make Sense To Talk About Human Nature In Pre-Fall & Post-Glory State
17:49 - Natural Law Seems To Be Not Helpful In Explaining Things
20:18 - Conclusion
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Virtue Ethics Critique Of Natural Law
We kick off the second critique by looking at the Virtue Ethics critique of Natural Law Ethics. Here, it seems, that our proponent of Virtue Ethics likes the presentation of Natural Law but gives a couple of critiques to help strengthen the position. Come on! I want to see some knock-down, drag-out fighting - for the glory of God of course!
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:22 - Virtue Ethics Response To Natural Law Ethics
01:55 - Approves Of No Naturalist Fallacy
05:55 - Approves Of Allowing Different Viewpoints In Under The Natural Law Tent
07:42 - Human Nature Isn't A Thing In And Of Itself
11:16 - Doesn't Make Sense To Talk About Human Nature In Pre-Fall & Post-Glory State
17:49 - Natural Law Seems To Be Not Helpful In Explaining Things
20:18 - Conclusion
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The Chief End Of Man In Natural Law
Now that we've introduced Natural Law into our possible options for the explanation of Christian ethics we look at what the chief end of man in Natural Law is. If Natural Law is baked into our nature, how should we go about living and what about making actual choices? Is there only one right way. Here's a question too - would Natural Law be right if God didn't exist?
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
02:51 - Man's Natural Relationship Is To Have A Relationship With God
05:13 - Work Is Not A Bad Word In The Natural Law
07:29 - Natural Law - How Now Shall We Live?
12:43 - Moving From Natural Law To Right Living
16:32 - The Abuse Of Natural Law
18:08 - Would Natural Law Be True If God Didn't Exist?
27:31 - The Purpose Of Natural Law Summarized
28:29 - Conclusion
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The Law Of Nature Embedded In Humanity
This week we introduce the Natural Law ethics perspective. Defining Natural Law helps define what humanity is. Proponents view the law of nature embedded in humanity that defines who we are and what we are to do.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
02:28 - Defining Natural Law
06:58 - What We Must Have To Survive & Thrive
11:18 - More Than One Way To Live Correctly In Natural Law
14:43 - Human Nature & Human Purposes
17:55 - Sin Nature Is Not Human Nature
19:35 - I Am Not An Animal! I Am A Human Being!
25:36 - What Well-Being Means For A Human
30:48 - Conclusion
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Divine Revelation & Prophetic Ethics Response To Virtue Ethics
If you were convinced by Virtue Ethics presentation in the last section, here's a Natural Law response to Virtue Ethics. While admitting there is some overlap between the two views, it does seem that the Natural Law view points out some big holes that Virtue Ethics tends to overlook or has not addressed.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:26 - Quick Summary Of Virtue Ethics
03:16 - The Responses
05:26 - Natural Law Response
05:56 - Overlap Between Natural Law & Virtue Ethics
09:12 - The Divergence Between Natural Law & Virtue Ethics
11:36 - David Hume & Aristotle - Virtue Ethicists?
12:51 - What Basis Does One Determine What Is Virtuous?
14:36 - Virtue Ethics Needs More Classification & Foundation
15:47 - In Steps Natural Law
17:55 - Virtue Ethics Allow For Too Much Leeway
21:35 - By What Standings
23:07 - Some Light Commentary
24:50 - Conclusion
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A Natural Law Response To Virtue Ethics
If you were convinced by Virtue Ethics presentation in the last section, here's a Natural Law response to Virtue Ethics. While admitting there is some overlap between the two views, it does seem that the Natural Law view points out some big holes that Virtue Ethics tends to overlook or has not addressed.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:26 - Quick Summary Of Virtue Ethics
03:16 - The Responses
05:26 - Natural Law Response
05:56 - Overlap Between Natural Law & Virtue Ethics
09:12 - The Divergence Between Natural Law & Virtue Ethics
11:36 - David Hume & Aristotle - Virtue Ethicists?
12:51 - What Basis Does One Determine What Is Virtuous?
14:36 - Virtue Ethics Needs More Classification & Foundation
15:47 - In Steps Natural Law
17:55 - Virtue Ethics Allow For Too Much Leeway
21:35 - By What Standings
23:07 - Some Light Commentary
24:50 - Conclusion
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What Ought The Virtuous Person Do?
Last episode we covered what the virtue ethic supporter thought a virtuous person would be like, now we cover what actions a virtuous person would take and how to be a virtuous person according to Virtue Ethics. Here we find out what OUGHT the virtuous person do. We also look at what helps us to be virtuous and what stands in the way.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:46 - Forming Habits Is God Given In Biology
03:46 - Difference Between Humans & Animals In Habit Forming
04:35 - Man's Call To Develop Good Habits
07:01 - Entropy - The Ultimate Habit Killer
09:11 - Momentum - The Ultimate Entropy Killer
14:15 - What Ought The Good Person Do?
18:18 - A List Of The Oughts To Do
18:29 - Practice, Practice, Practice Makes Perfected People
22:18 - Listen To Tradition - Tradition? Tradition!
24:16 - The Route Of Christian Practice & Tradition Of Virtue
25:32 - The Narrative Story That Teaches Us What We Ought To Do
28:17 - Summary Of Virtue Ethics
32:31 - Conclusion
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The Goal - Be The Good Person Who Surprises No One
The next two ethic models for our IVP Christian Ethics - 4 Views book in the divine command & prophetic ethics introduction. Here are probably the two most controversial models as they tend to make different types of people angry. While divine command ethics makes non-Christians mad, it is still one of the main popular subscriptions of many Christians as an ethical model. The other, the prophetic ethics model, seems like one from the current day but traces it's biggest push of popularity in the early 20th century. Join us for a reasonable introduction of both of these models before we delve into each of the four models trying to convince you that they have the correct view.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:59 - Defining Divine Command Ethics
05:00 - Critics In The Euthyphro Dilemma
09:26 - The Modified Version Of The Divine Command Theory
13:13 - The Scriptural Center Of Divine Command Ethics
14:40 - Defining Prophetic Ethics
21:26 - The Scriptural Center Of Prophetic Ethics
24:44 - Conclusion
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Divine Command & Prophetic Ethics Introduction
The next two ethic models for our IVP Christian Ethics - 4 Views book in the divine command & prophetic ethics introduction. Here are probably the two most controversial models as they tend to make different types of people angry. While divine command ethics makes non-Christians mad, it is still one of the main popular subscriptions of many Christians as an ethical model. The other, the prophetic ethics model, seems like one from the current day but traces it's biggest push of popularity in the early 20th century. Join us for a reasonable introduction of both of these models before we delve into each of the four models trying to convince you that they have the correct view.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:59 - Defining Divine Command Ethics
05:00 - Critics In The Euthyphro Dilemma
09:26 - The Modified Version Of The Divine Command Theory
13:13 - The Scriptural Center Of Divine Command Ethics
14:40 - Defining Prophetic Ethics
21:26 - The Scriptural Center Of Prophetic Ethics
24:44 - Conclusion
LINKS:
07:04 - Mitch Stokes Interview - Part 2
07:19 - Mitch Stokes Answers The Euthyphro Dilemma
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Virtue Ethics & Natural Law Introduction
Welcome to book number 11! We are going over IVP's Spectrum Multiview book, Christian Ethics - 4 Views. We introduce the layout of the book and dive right in by giving the virtue ethics & natural law introduction. Covering the definition, short history, and foundation derived in Scripture, we cover the first two of our four views of Christian ethics. Join us, won't you?
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
01:10 - IVP Spectrum Multiview Book Series Introduction
03:29 - Introducing The Book Christian Ethics - 4 Views
07:57 - The Importance Of The Shoulds & The Oughts In Humanity
12:49 - The Issues Of The Christian Understanding Of Ethics
17:39 - Christian Ethic Systems May Overlap
20:39 - Why These 4 Models Were Chosen
24:28 - Introducing The Definition & History Of Each Christian Ethic Model
25:58 - Defining Virtue Ethics
28:50 - Brief History Of Virtue Ethics
34:41 - The Scriptural Center Of Virtue Ethics
38:29 - Defining Natural Law Ethics
42:45 - Brief Natural Law Ethics
45:37 - The Scriptural Center Of Natural Law Ethics
47:04 - Conclusion
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Book 11 Announcement
Book number 11 for our two heroes asks some important questions and looks at four different views on what it means to be ethical from a Christian viewpoint.
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Spooky Stories Of Church History
Troy Fraiser from Revived Thoughts regales us with tales of things that go bump in the night of Church history. History is weird! Coincidences and unexplainable at times and not everything can be dismissed with a wave of a hand as you whistle past the graveyard. Spooky stories of Church history are out there and boy, are they out there. Helpful specters, witch doctors coming to faith, and magic detective Santa Claus. History is weird!
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
00:15 - Spurgeon's Story Of A Preacher Saved By A Specter
05:14 - Don't Let The Enlightenment Kill Your Belief In The Paranormal
08:21 - The Witch Doctor Who Said Ooo Ee Oo Oo Ah, Your God Is So Big
09:53 - The Sorcerer's Fail Loved Spell Led Him To Christ
13:07 - The Spooky Story Of Detective Santa Claus Who Solved A Murder!
18:01 - The Magic Santa Robes
19:31 - The Haunted House Of John Wesley
22:10 - The Renowned Of History Are More Than Just One Moment But Are Characters
23:51 - Christians Are Those Who Should Love History The Most
25:10 - Where To See Ourselves In God's Story Of Church History
29:46 - The Work Of Revived Thoughts
33:15 - Conclusion
LINKS
Revived Thoughts
Martyrs & Missionaries
Revived Devos
Revived Radio
Revived Thoughts Facebook
Revived Thoughts Twitter
MissionQuest - Support The Frasiers
Cave To The Cross On Revived Thoughts
Jerome - Psalm 5
David Livingstone - The Holy Spirit
Moses Dow - Fasting For An Evil Day
John Clarke - The Desire For Life
John Gill: Christ the Savior from the Storm
John Newton: He Shakes the Heavens and the Earth
Gregory of Nazianzus: The Shepherd’s Heart
Gregory of Nyssa: The Day Of Lights
Thomas Aquinas: Praise and Dwell Within Us
Joseph Parker: Secret Things
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Coincidences In Church History
Patrick welcomes back Troy Fraiser from Revived Thoughts! History is weird and there are things that happen that Hollywood writers would be accused of bad storytelling for what actually happens. Troy brings us weird coincidences of Church history that includes a Chinese war, a woman with pants, Vikings, a meteorite, and beans! God as the ultimate Author has some amazing story. Next week - spooky stories of Church history!
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
03:00 - Revived Thoughts Fun
06:29 - Why Care About Church History
18:29 - History Is So Weird, That Fiction Writers Would Call It Unbelievable
21:18 - A Chinese War Because Someone Shared The Gospel With One Person?
25:15 - The Too Coincidental Story of Joan Of Arc
30:05 - Christians In History Trusting God's Providence - Like Alfred The Great
35:49 - The Coincidence Of The Antioch Meteorite & Battle Victory Crusade
45:52 - Conclusion - Next Week - Spooky Church History Stories
LINKS
00:58 - Episode 189 & Episode 190
06:48 - PeriapsisPress.com
Revived Thoughts
Martyrs & Missionaries
Revived Devos
Revived Radio
Revived Thoughts Facebook
Revived Thoughts Twitter
MissionQuest - Support The Frasiers
Cave To The Cross On Revived Thoughts
Jerome - Psalm 5
David Livingstone - The Holy Spirit
Moses Dow - Fasting For An Evil Day
John Clarke - The Desire For Life
John Gill: Christ the Savior from the Storm
John Newton: He Shakes the Heavens and the Earth
Gregory of Nazianzus: The Shepherd’s Heart
Gregory of Nyssa: The Day Of Lights
Thomas Aquinas: Praise and Dwell Within Us
Joseph Parker: Secret Things
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Satisfying Father Hunger In Education
Now that we've identified the problem of fathers not being more involved in education and wagging our fingers enough, education policy expert Jeff Park and Patrick talk about small but meaningful steps fathers can take to take God's command to be leaders of their families when it comes to what and how their children learn. There are things we can do in satisfying father hunger in education right now. Dads - you are doing great with providing for your family and taking those trips on the weekends. Great job! But here's we can become super dads and more attractive to our wives.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
00:15 - What Can Parents Do To Encourage Father's To Be Involved In Education
11:04 - Dads Provide Their Own Version Of Good Parenting
21:45 - Dads Going To Moms To Explain Have Their Kids Education
30:45 - Fathers Can Find Great Ways To Supplement Their Kids Education
39:48 - Dads - PLEASE Read Books! & Read To Your Kids Too
43:05 - Being Involved Allows You To See Kids Learn Differently
46:13 - Allow Your Sponge Kids To Soak Up Amazing Subjects
47:57 - The Dangers Of The Expanding Horizons Model Of Education
56:02 - What Can Moms Do To Help Dads Get Involved In Their Kids Education
1:00:10 - Dads Need To Teach The Beginning Of Wisdom Is Fear Of The Lord In A Christian Worldview
1:08:07 - Your Child Will Be Educated - Will You Be The One To Do So?
1:11:37 - Moms Can Encourage Dads In Front Of Their Children
1:13:28 - Moms Can Intentionally Encourage Kids To Learn From Dad
1:20:11 - Dads, Be Intentionally Interested In Other Parts Of Your Kids Life
1:23:00 - Jeff Park - Anarchist Bible Study & Alberta Parents Union
1:32:31 - Conclusion
LINKS
44:37 - Home Variety Show
JEFF PARK LINKS
Alberta Parents Union
Jeff Park on Twitter
The Anarchist Bible Study
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The Dangers Of Father Absence In Education
In whatever way you choose to educate your children, if you look around you may notice someone is missing - fathers! Education policy expert Jeff Park discusses the dangers of father absence in their own children's education. It's not enough to bring home the bacon, fathers have a biblical mandate to be the primary responsible person in the family for teaching their children. What are the dangers and what does that look like? Homeschool moms - this episode (and the next) is one to share with your husband. Dads - let's do this!
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
02:35 - Making Good Fathers & Mothers Mad - Uh, I Mean Inspiring Them
05:47 - Is A Lack Of Father Representation In Schooling Hurting Children?
10:16 - The Biblical Mandate For Fathers To Be The Primary Leaders In Educating Their Children
12:07 - The Positive Aspect Of Fathers Having A Different Temperament With Their Children
15:25 - The Positive Aspects Of Having Both Moms & Dads Involved In Child Rearing - Shocker
16:37 - Fathers Cannot Delegate The Responsibility & Authority But Can The Work
19:03 - Fathers Fight For Their Children's Education
26:03 - Losing Out Key Teaching When We Lose Fathers In Education
32:35 - The Danger Of Fathers Not Adding Different Learning Styles With Different Kids
39:56 - Fathers Not Involved In Education Can Lead To Drop In Their Kids' Marriages
42:52 - Not A Lack Of Resource But A Loss Of Fathers' Experiences In Teaching
50:57 - The Big Impact On Kids Of Dads Showing They Care
57:35 - Men Have Brought How Society Is Now With The Idea That Only Women Care About Education
01:06:38 - Fathers - Here Is Your Encouragement & Charge!
01:09:20 - Conclusion
LINKS
02:14 - Previous Jeff Park Appearances
28:36 - Many statistics cited come from this location
30:40 - PeriapsisPress.com - Indie Sci-Fi/Fantasy Book Reviews & Advocacy
33:06 - What’s Wrong With Boys at School?
38:06 - Learning to read can reduce reoffending
JEFF PARK LINKS
Alberta Parents Union
Jeff Park on Twitter
The Anarchist Bible Study
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One Body, Many Gifts
In our concluding chapter to the book, we look at how the Church is one body & many gifts are given in it. Our authors discuss how the differences in apologetic methods might actually be a good thing to respond to both apologists and those they speak to. With that, what has been your thoughts on the book? Have you learned anything or changed your mind on anything when it comes to a particular method? Let us know in the comments on the video or on social media.
Timeline:
00:00 - Introduction
03:54 - One Body, Many Gifts - How Apologists Differ
09:45 - One Body, Many Gifts - How People Differ
12:26 - One Body, Many Gifts - How Apologetic Needs Differ
22:42 - One Body, Many Gifts - How Apologetic Problems Differ
24:37 - Conclusion To Faith Has Its Reasons
30:20 - Conclusion
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Faith Has Its Reasons By Kenneth Boa & Robert M. Bowman Jr.
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