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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!)
Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and UC President's Dissertation Year Fellow in the Communication Department, Science Studies Program, and Critical Gender Studies Graduate Specialization at UC San Diego. Her dissertation will be available as an open access document in 1 or 2 months from this episode’s publication. She holds a BA in Biology from Wesleyan University, an MS in Narrative Medicine from Columbia University, and an MA in Communication from UC San Diego. Her research has been published in the Fat Studies Journal, Women’s Studies: An Interdisciplinary Journal, and the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. In 2021, she joined the Centre for Fat Liberation and Scholarship as an Inaugural Junior Fellow. Her research critically examines how anti-obesity efforts drive anti-fatness in the US and how the field of weight stigma research perpetuates anti-fatness through its refusal to divest from an anti-obesity agenda.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs), discussion of ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis)
Trigger Warnings:
This episode uses the word “obesity” throughout without being bleeped.
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-10-doctor-rachel-fox/#captions
A few highlights:
10:03: Rachel shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
18:35: Rachel discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
27:07: Rachel shares her passion project and how it has affected her own embodiment
1:31:21: Rachel discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:35:17: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Autism
Blakeley H. Payne
The Body is Not An Apology (Book)
The Body is Not An Apology (IG)
Decolonizing Therapy
Mikey Mercedes
Monica Kriete
Neurodivergence
OCD
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Public Health’s Power-Neutral, Fatphobic Obsession with “Food Deserts”
Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp
Sonya Renee Taylor
Weight Stigma Conference
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs)
Trigger Warnings:
This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped.
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-9-rachel-fox/#captions
A few highlights:
14:00: Rachel shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
20:44: Rachel names her privileges and marginalizations
42:11: Rachel discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices
1:26:24: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Against Progress
Autism
Blakeley H. Payne
Dr. Caleb Luna
The Fantasy of Being Thin
Hegemonic Futurity
Heavy: An American Memoir
Dr. Kate Harding
Kiese Laymon
Kyriarchy
Mikey Mercedes
Monica Kriete
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Positionality
Rachel Fox
Relative Fat vs. Absolute Fat
Reproductive Futurity
Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp
Settler Colonialism
Tiana Dodson
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 8: Third and Final Deep Dive (this season hehe) with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for the final of a three-part deep dive about embodiment
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of current politics
Trigger Warnings:
None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-8-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
22:36: Lindley discusses her thin privilege series on social media
38:09: Lindley shares her boundaries when doing social media work
Links from this episode:
Autism
Jes Baker
Bri Campos
Lindley’s Master List of Resources
Megan Jayne Crabbe
Fearing the Black Body
Rahaeli
Sonya Renee Taylor
Accounts that Highlight the Intersection of Fatness and Disability
Imani Barbarin - https://www.instagram.com/crutches_and_spice/
Val - https://www.instagram.com/val_and.co/
J Aprileo - https://www.instagram.com/jayaprileo/
Corissa sometimes talks about disability - https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlflow/
Shilo George - https://www.instagram.com/shilogeorge/
FLARE - https://www.flareproject.org/
Sarah - https://www.instagram.com/fromsarahlex/
https://www.instagram.com/fatdisabledworthy/ ← project by Sarah (prior link)
Clarkisha - https://www.instagram.com/clarkishakent/ (writer often featuring the particular intersection of disability and fatness)
Dan - https://x.com/notdanhastings
Sydneysky G. - https://www.instagram.com/syddskyy/
Adrie Rose - https://www.instagram.com/adrierising/
Sami Schalk - https://www.instagram.com/fierceblackfemme
Jervae - https://www.instagram.com/jervae
Vinny - https://www.instagram.com/fierce.fatty
Sonny Jane Wise - https://www.instagram.com/livedexperienceeducator/
Angel Austin - https://www.instagram.com/sacredspaceforfatbodies/
Leah - https://www.instagram.com/fativism/
https://www.instagram.com/disabilitydecember/ ← yearly reading challenge
Mikey - https://www.instagram.com/fatmarquisele
Tigress - https://www.instagram.com/iofthetigress/
Dr Whitney Trotter - https://www.instagram.com/whitneytrotter.rd/
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-7-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
3:49: Lindley shares the pond as a metaphor for embodiment
41:47: Lindley discusses the Body Liberation Blanket Fort
1:12:03: Lindley shares how disability as a framework feels related to embodiment conversations
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Autism
Corrisa Enneking
Diabetes
Dr. Shai-Akil McLean
Fat Woman with Surgery Scar Stock Photo
Fatness Spectrum
FLARE Project
Imani Barbarin
Intersectionality: Key Concepts
J Aprileo
Kimberle Crenshaw
The Matrix of Domination
Models of Disability
Neurodivergence
Nicola Haggett
Nicola Haggett’s Embodiment Journey
Shilo George
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline
Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.
Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
44:33: Lindley mentions death threats
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashline/#captions
A few highlights:
5:43: Lindley shares embodiment as conversation and/or partnership with our bodies
35:45: Lindley discusses “capitalist mythology” in the average body positivity/liberation conversation
1:45:13: Lindley shares the idea of embodiment as a practice of depth and clarity
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Alan Levinovitz
Autism
Blue Sky
Fearing the Black Body
Harm Reduction
Jes Baker
KC Davis
Neathery Falchuk
Neurodivergence
Roxane Gay
The 11 Reasons Why People Hate Fat People
White Supremacy Culture
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.
Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-5-michelle-phillips/#captions
A few highlights:
8:53: Michelle discusses the simplicities and complexities (equally) of embodiment as we go about our daily lives
Links from this episode:
Neurodivergence
Polyvagal Theory
Vagus Nerve
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin
Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her) interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey.
Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last few years she has created over a dozen trending hashtags that allow disabled folk the opportunity to have their perspectives heard while forcing the world to take notice. #PatientsAreNotFaking, #ThingsDisabledPeopleKnow, #AbledsAreWeird and others each provide a window into disabled life while forming community. Imani is from the Philadelphia area and holds a Masters in Global Communications from the American University of Paris, her published works include those in Forbes, Rewire, Healthline, BitchMedia and more. She runs the blog CrutchesAndSpice.com and a podcast of the same name.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of medicalized racism, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, mentions of ableism, mentions of suicide, discussion of ageism
Trigger Warnings:
58:30: Imani discusses weight loss surgery and eating disorders
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-4-imani-barbarin/#captions
A few highlights:
4:47: Imani shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
19:40: Imani discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices
47:22: Imani shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
59:33: Imani discusses her work with social media misinformation/disinformation and disability advocacy
1:14:11: Imanin shares how her embodiment around phobias and -isms
1:16:51: Imani discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:24:24: Imani shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Ableism
American with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA)
Autism
Harriet Tubman Collective
Iron Lung
Movement for Black Lives
Multiple Models of Disability
PA Act 77
The Protest Psychosis
Runaway Slave Syndrome
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey.
Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com. They work from an anti-oppressive, relational lens that helps inform how they approach supervision and therapy. They specialize in working with marginalized communities, complex trauma, dissociation, and much more. They are a trans non-binary neurodivergent human of Middle Eastern descent, raised by an immigrant mother. They reside in New Mexico with their spouse, two children, and three cats. In their spare time, they spend a lot of time imagining and writing fantasy stories as a special interest.
Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings:
53:24: Chavonne uses “crazy” in a way that is ableist.
The captions for this episode can be found at
A few highlights:
3:54: Niyera shares their understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
9:28: Niyera discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices
28:14: Niyera shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
31:42: Niyera discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
42:55: Niyera shares how their own work and supporting clients has changed and challenged their relationship with their own embodiment
1:00:47: Niyera discusses their experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems
1:13:50: Niyera discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:21:29: Niyera shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Ableism
Ample and Rooted
Autism
Binocular Vision Dysfunction
Depersonalization
Derealization
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Reflective Supervision
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 2: Deep Dive with Tiana Dodson
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment and children.
Content Warning: discussion of sexuality
Trigger Warnings:
1:45:30: Tiana uses “insane” in a way that is ableist
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-2-tiana-dodson/#captions
A few highlights:
7:06: Tiana discusses how children are embodiment teachers
59:32: Tiana shares how capacity and capability are distinct parts of embodiment
1:19:36: Tiana discusses creating and fostering foster relationships of liberation
1:37:00: Tiana shares what she’s doing next
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Autism
Being You: A First Conversation about Gender
In This Body: Finding Liberation Virtual Conference
Liberation is a Relationship
Love Notes For A New Year
The Nap Ministry
Neurodivergence
Other People Are In The Way of Your Liberation
RAADS-R
Reclaiming Ugly
Rest is Resistance
Sex Positive Families
We Make the Path
Yes: Your Empowered Sexuality
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 1: Season 4 Intro Episode
Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) introduce Season 4!
Content Warning: None in this episode
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-1-season-4-intro/#captions
A few highlights:
2:02: Jenn and Chavonne share their words for 2024
20:27: Chavonne and Jenn discuss exploring disability and neurodiversity in Season 4
32:46: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their commitment to justice and liberation related to the most marginalized humans and bodies in the world
Links from this episode:
How To Keep House While Drowning
Imani Barbarin
Morgan Harper Nichols IG Post
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 13: Wrap Up Episode
Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up Season 3!
Content Warning: None in this episode
Trigger Warnings: None in this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-13-season-3-wrap-up-episode/#captions
A few highlights:
2:13: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how processing and practicing rest changed and challenged them in 2023
13:14: Chavonne and Jenn discuss capability vs. capacity in their personal and professional lives
23:39: Jenn and Chavonne discuss what they’re looking forward to next year for the podcast
Links from this episode:
Love Jenni K
Mikey Mercedes
Neurodivergence
Whitney Trotter
Whole Self Counseling
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 12: Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lisa Daughters (she/her) and Fawn McCool (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.
Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.
Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning.
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Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you.
As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues .
She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained.
Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers.
She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
40:28-53:29: Chavonne’s audio goes a bit wonky
Trigger Warnings:
34:22: Fawn mentions Noom and Ozempic
49:42: Lisa uses the words “crazy” and “nutty” in a way that is ableist
The captions for this episode can be found at
https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-12-lisa-daughters-and-fawn-mccool/#captions
A few highlights:
7:08: Lisa and Fawn share their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges. They also discuss how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for them.
1:01:15: Fawn and Lisa discuss how supporting clients has changed and challenged their own relationships with their embodiment
1:46:47: Lisa and Fawn discuss how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:57:48: Fawn and Lisa share where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents
Dr. Dan Siegel
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 11: Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Fawn McCool (she/her) and Lisa Daughters (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.
Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you.
As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues.
She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained.
Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers.
She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.
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Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.
Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings:
39:23: Lisa discusses getting bariatric surgery
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-11-fawn-mccool-and-lisa-daughters/#captions
A few highlights:
15:05: Fawn and Lisa shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journeys
1:07:56: Fawn and Lisa discuss how the pandemic has affected their embodiment practices
Links from this episode:
All Cats Are On The Autism Spectrum
All Dogs Have ADHD
Bibliotherapy
Brianne Benness
Depersonalization
Derealization
Dr. Dan Siegel
Executive Functioning
The Family Experience of PDA
Girls on the Run
Kymber Stephenson
Neurodivergence
Persistent Drive for Autonomy (PDA)
Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 10: Whitney Trotter
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Whitney Trotter (she/her) about their embodiment journey.
Whitney Trotter (she/her) is dually licensed as a Registered Dietitian, Nurse, and yoga instructor and is currently working on her doctorate degree to become a psychiatric nurse practitioner. Whitney has over ten years of experience working as a registered dietitian serving various communities such as the HIV/AIDS community and the eating disorder field. Whitney also previously worked at a Level 1 Pediatric Trauma Center as a Pediatric emergency room nurse. In addition to working as an RDN and RN, Whitney has served as a member of her county's Rape Crisis Center. Her work at the Rape Crisis Center equipped her to co-found an anti-trafficking organization Restore Corps, where she now provides medical training to the community focusing on human trafficking response.
Whitney's career in the Eating Disorder field includes being a former Nutrition and Nursing director of a Residential, PHP, and IOP center. Whitney is also the owner/founder of Bluff City Health, a private practice that bridges the gap in the eating disorder field of equitable care and social justice. This past year Whitney created the first-ever BIPOC Eating Disorders Conference and started #BIPOCEatingDisordersAwarenessWeek
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-10-whitney-trotter/#captions
A few highlights:
4:21: Whitney shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
8:10: Whitney discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices
14:26: Whitney shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
24:46: Whitney discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
43:58: Whitney shares how her education and career have changed and challenged her relationship with her own embodiment
51:18: Whitney discusses her process in co-creating the BIPOC Eating Disorders Conference
1:10:31: Whitney shares her experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems
1:19:27: Whitney discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:26:05: Whitney shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Ableism
Angela Goens
BIPOC Eating Disorders Conference
Body Trust
Fatness Spectrum
Intersectionality
Marquisele Mercedes
Relative Fat vs. Absolute Fat
Tiana Dodson
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 9: Mikey Mercedes
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Mikey Mercedes (she/they) about their embodiment journey.
Marquisele (Mikey) Mercedes (she/they) is a fat liberationist writer, creator, educator, and doctoral student from the Bronx, New York. As a Presidential Fellow at the Brown University School of Public Health, she works at the intersection of critical public health studies, fat studies, and scholarship on race/ism, examining how racism, anti-Blackness, and fatphobia have shaped health care, research, and public health.
Mikey is also a co-host of the podcast Unsolicited: Fatties Talk Back, which explores the lived fat experience from diverse vantage points to examine fatphobia in our relationships and culture. Her socials are @marquisele on Twitter, @fatmarquisele on Instagram, and Patreon.com/marquisele on Patreon. Their website is also marquiselemercedes.com
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-9-mikey-mercedes/#captions
A few highlights:
3:43: Mikey shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
1:03:33: Mikey discusses how “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her
1:38:34: Mikey shares her work on her podcast and how she stays embodied while working with her co-hosts
1:59:58: Mikey discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
2:04:08: Mikey shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Autism
Black Feminism Reimagined
Black Feminist Thought
Da’Shaun Harrison
Ebony Oldham
Elite Capture
The Embodiment of Disobedience
Fat Activism
Fatness Spectrum
Fatty MPH
Fearing the Black Body
Google Form for Mikey’s doctoral research
Health Communism
Kimberlé Crenshaw
Matrix of Domination
Rachel Fox
Rest Is Resistance
Rebecca Puhl
Sydney Sky
Unsolicited: Fatties Talk Back
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 8: Marquisele Mercedes
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Marquisele Mercedes (she/they) about their embodiment journey.
Marquisele (Mikey) Mercedes (she/they) is a fat liberationist writer, creator, educator, and doctoral student from the Bronx, New York. As a Presidential Fellow at the Brown University School of Public Health, she works at the intersection of critical public health studies, fat studies, and scholarship on race/ism, examining how racism, anti-Blackness, and fatphobia have shaped health care, research, and public health.
Mikey is also a co-host of the podcast Unsolicited: Fatties Talk Back, which explores the lived fat experience from diverse vantage points to examine fatphobia in our relationships and culture. Her socials are @marquisele on Twitter, @fatmarquisele on Instagram, and Patreon.com/marquisele on Patreon. Their website is also marquiselemercedes.com
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, discussion of medical fatphobia
Trigger Warnings:
29:06: Discussion of fatphobia regarding climate change
45:21: Discussion of government manipulation of COVID data
47:16: Discussion of hate of disabled people
1:11:25: Discussion of Mikey’s history with Lindo Bacon in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here)
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-8-marquisele-mercedes/#captions
A few highlights:
6:09: Mikey shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
26:47: Mikey discusses how the pandemic has affected their embodiment practices
Links from this episode:
Aaron Flores
ADHD
Autism
Blakeley Payne
Breathing Into the Machine
Credentialism
Da’Shaun Harrison
Fatness Spectrum
Fatty MPH
Fit To Be Citizens?
Mikey’s Pipewrench Piece
Mikey’s Wegovy Piece
People’s CDC
PTSD
Rachel Fox
Sherronda Brown Announced as Scalawag Magazine's Editor-in-Chief
Wear Your Voice
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 7: Wednesdae Reim Ifrach
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Wednesdae Reim Ifrach (they/them) about their embodiment journey.
Wednesdae is a trans/non-binary art therapist, fat activist and artist whose work focuses on body justice, intersectional social justice and eating disorder treatment equity access.
They also co-own and operate Rainbow Recovery where they support people through the gender affirmation process, complex trauma recovery, eating disorder recovery and body image issues through the use of art, creative expression and traditional talk therapy.
Wednesdae melds the world of art therapy, social justice, trauma recovery and eating disorder recovery into a unique opportunity for people to expand their understanding of the world. To that end Wednesdae had the honor to participate in the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA)’s Artful Practices for Well-being and has had artwork on display at the Baltimore Museum of Art as part of Art as Activism.
They have presented at national and international conferences, are a former adjunct professor and continues to guest lecture. They also serve on the Board of Project HEAL, a non-profit whose mission is to create treatment equity access in the eating disorder field. Wednesdae’s biggest passions outside of work include spending time with their many rescue animals, experimenting with traditional family recipes, painting, and spending time with their partner.
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Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, discussion of harm caused by helping professionals
Trigger Warnings:
1:14:40: Wednesdae discusses how sexual abuse can be covered by calling victims in treatment “noncompliant”
1:15:18: Wednesdae discusses typical eating disorder rules and how harmful and wrong they are
1:17:59: Wednesdae discusses their history of abuse
1:22:14: Wednesdae uses the word “nuts” in a way that is ableist
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-7-wednesdae-reim-ifrach/#captions
A few highlights:
5:36: Wednesdae shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey
19:58: Wednesdae discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices
54:57: Wednesdae shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
1:07:58: Wednesdae discusses how their work with Rainbow Recovery and Project HEAL has influenced their own relationship with embodiment
1:19:04: Wednesdae shares how stereotypes of productivity, availability, and capability/capacity relate to being a clinician
1:24:48: Wednesdae discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:26:28: Wednesdae shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
ADHD
Anxiety
Kelly Diels
Michelle Phillips
Nalgona Positivity Pride
White Supremacy Culture
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 6: Neathery Falchuk
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Neathery Falchuk (they/them) about their embodiment journey.
Neathery Falchuk (they/them) is a queer, trans and non-binary, white Latinx, fat, and neurodivergent therapist, licensed clinical social worker and supervisor, certified group psychotherapist, certified Body Trust® provider, and certified meditation teacher. Neathery is the founder of Ample and Rooted, an inclusive psychotherapy, consulting, and training practice specializing in working with eating disorders, body liberation, sex and sexuality, gender, relationship concerns, trauma, mindfulness, grief and loss, and substance use. Neathery is a past President of Central Texas Eating Disorder Specialists, past board member of Austin Group Psychotherapy Society and former chair of the DEI Committee, past board member of the Association for Size Diversity and Health, and currently serves on the program committee for Project HEAL. Neathery lives in Austin, TX with their wife and enjoys hiking, meditation, sipping coffee on patios, and starting and never finishing books.
Ample + Rooted, as an inclusive therapy practice, cultivates a safe and welcoming space of compassion and connection. At Ample + Rooted, we believe it is our birthright to inhabit, trust and honor our physical and emotional selves without shame. We believe in cultivating a healing home for the whole you and that this healing and belonging is profoundly vital in creating a more equitable and just world. We believe compassion, pleasure and embodiment lead the way toward healing and liberation.
The practice is rooted in Health at Every Size®, Body Trust®, fat-positive, sex-positive, LGBTQ+ affirming, harm reduction, trauma-responsive, culturally responsive, and anti-oppressive frameworks.
For more information, please visit: www.ampleandrooted.com and follow us on IG: @ampleandrooted
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of death of a family member
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-6-neathery-falchuk/#captions
A few highlights:
5:46: Neathery shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey
21:33: Neathery discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices
52:25: Neathery shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges
1:07:49: Neathery discusses how their work with Ample + Rooted Foundations has influenced their own relationship with embodiment
1:24:48: Neathery shares how their work with the Ample + Rooted Gathering Space has enhanced their embodiment within our field and the changes, revolutions, and evolutions they are working on making
1:40:43: Neathery discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:43:10 Neathery shares where to be found and what’s next for them
Links from this episode:
Body Trust
Bodymind
Michelle Phillips
Miracle Question
Sirius Bonner
Tiana Dodson
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 5: Esther Tambe
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Esther Tambe (she/her) about her embodiment journey.
Esther Tambe is a Registered Dietitian and Certified Diabetes Care and Education Specialist based in Long Island, NY. She is the founder of Esther Tambe Nutrition, LLC. She received her master’s degree in Nutrition with a concentration in Exercise Science from Long Island University. She also received her bachelor’s degrees in Nutrition from Long Island University and Health Science-Public Health at Stony Brook University.
Esther has worked in underserved communities, providing nutrition education and counseling to individuals with chronic illnesses like diabetes, hypertension, chronic kidney disease, and HIV/AIDS.
Esther is committed to increasing awareness of eating disorders and weight-inclusive nutrition counseling in Black communities. In addition to her work as a dietitian, Esther is involved in several other projects and initiatives.
In August 2020, Esther co-founded Fight Through Flights Inc. This non-profit organization aims to empower and support the healing of Black women living with breast cancer and breast cancer survivors.
Esther enjoys traveling worldwide, taking Zumba classes, and spending time with her family outside of work.
Esther Tambe's Instagram
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health
Trigger Warnings:
53:48: Jenn discusses prescribed weight loss
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-5-esther-tambe/#captions
A few highlights:
3:53: Esther shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey
7:54: Esther discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices
20:49: Esther shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges
28:20: Esther discusses how her work with historically and currently marginalized populations has influenced her own relationship with embodiment
34:18: Esther shares her experience with embodiment as a diabetes educator
1:06:45: Esther discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation
1:08:18: Esther shares where to be found and what’s next for her
Links from this episode:
Dubious Diagnosis
Iatrogenesis
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 4: Aaron Flores
Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Aaron Flores (he/him) about his embodiment journey.
Aaron Flores is a registered dietitian nutritionist and Certified Body Trust® provider. With over 10 years of experience, Aaron has worked with eating disorders in a variety of settings over his career, including the VA Healthcare System and Center for Discovery. He currently has a private practice in Calabasas, CA. Aaron uses Intuitive Eating, Health at Every Size®, and Body Trust® as the framework to help individuals develop a more compassionate, non-judgemental approach to food and their body. His work has been featured on the 10% Happier Podcast, in the New York Times, Huffington Post and Buzzfeed. Aaron is also a frequent speaker, presenting at national and international eating disorder conferences. In addition to his individual work with clients, he is also a podcaster. His two shows are Men Unscripted and, Dietitians Unplugged.
Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, mention of child abuse, mention of suicide
Trigger Warnings: None for this episode
The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-4-aaron-flores/#captions
A few highlights:
5:40: Aaron shares his understanding of embodiment and his own embodiment journey
18:35: Aaron discusses how the pandemic affected his embodiment practices
35:12: Aaron shares his understanding of “the rest of us” and how he is a part of that, as well as his privileges
1:21:00: Aaron discusses how podcasting has enhanced his connection to embodiment
1:30:41: Aaron shares how advocating for fat providers and fat men has changed his own embodiment
1:42:09 Aaron shares where to be found and what’s next for him
Links from this episode:
Body Trust
Dr. Rachel Millner
Marci Evans
Orthorexia
Sonny Patel
White Supremacy Culture
Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License
Please follow us on social media:
Website: embodimentfortherestofus.com
Twitter: @embodimentus
Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus
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