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  • Be ready to hear the vibrant Hillary Taymour of Collina Strada, a pioneering designer reshaping sustainability in fashion.

    Hillary shares her candid perspective on the industry's ethical challenges and her approach to conscious design, emphasizing the importance of transparency and longevity in garment production.

    In this episode, she discusses the complexities of applying durable practices and reveals the ongoing learning journey that fuels her innovative design philosophy, encouraging listeners to rethink their relationship with fashion and its impact on the planet.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • Aditi Mayer is a sustainable fashion advocate, photographer, and writer based in California, always on a mission to explore the intricate relationship between fashion and social justice.

    Join us for an enlightening episode where she highlights the importance of ethical practices in the industry while empowering marginalized communities, especially women, in garment production. 


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • Who made your clothes? 


    Join us for an inspiring conversation with Orsola de Castro, a pioneer in ethical fashion and co-founder of Fashion Revolution. In the wake of the Rana Plaza tragedy, Orsola has been a powerful voice addressing the industry's ethical dilemmas.

    Discover her holistic approach to tackling complex issues, encouraging us to move beyond isolated problems. Learn how simple acts like mending and repurposing garments can foster sustainability and personal growth.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • Ever wondered who made your clothes?


    In this three-episode series, meet the voices revolutionizing the fashion industry and challenging its ethical practices.

    Hear from Orsola de Castro, co-founder of Fashion Revolution, sustainability advocate Aditi Mayer, and Hillary Taymour, creative director of Collina Strada, as they share their bold visions for a more transparent, inclusive, and sustainable future.

    These pioneers are reshaping how we think about fashion, from empowering workers to reimagining design. Join us to discover their game-changing ideas—and how you can be part of the movement pushing fashion forward.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • If true craftsmanship does exist today, what does that look like and what does the future hold for it?


    Ksenia Schnaider hails from Ukraine and was upcycling even before it became a thing, because it was the only way she knew how to create a brand. Learn the truth about what it really takes to be a pioneer of contemporary artisanal fashion, putting ethos, creativity and the love of fashion above all else. This is one designer that does not hold back and one of the rare chances to understand how the fashion industry really works. 


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • Does a high price tag really guarantee quality? 


    Emily Adams Bode Aujla, the Creative Director of Bode, fights for the preservation of heritage and craftsmanship, in an industry that has seemingly turned its back on tradition. You won’t want to miss this discussion with one of fashion’s most sensitive visionary.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • Is it true that Gen Z doesn't know what quality fashion looks like? The word 'luxury' holds more contention than ever, as prices rise and what we believe to be of value is an arena for fiery debate.

    Can we simplify what luxury really means? Andrea Cheong meets the renowned fashion historian, Valerie Steele, Director of The Fashion Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology, in New York. 


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • Ever wondered why you don't have anything to wear? Or asked yourself, how you can actually buy less but better?

    Fashion Our Future is your crash course in how the fashion industry really works and how it's handling demands for better ethical practices... and better quality clothing. Knowledge is power and you're about to hear from some of the most revolutionary leaders in sustainability to the most innovative designers that are challenging the status quo.

    Across five series, Craftsmanship and Luxury, Untangling The Supply Chain, Empowering Fashion Workers, The Next Generation of Influence and Cultivating a Regenerative Future, we're getting candid on the largest sustainability challenges that fashion faces today and how that impacts us.


    Fashion Our Future is hosted by Andrea Cheong, the fashion creator known as "the care-label queen" and the author of Why Don't I Have Anything To Wear. Her viral approach to fashion, "The Mindful Monday Method", was created when she discovered the missing link between mental health, our wardrobesand how we connect with nature. She has been named a fashion critic to watch by Vogue Business and one the UK's Top 50 Unsung Fashion Heroes by Grazia. Listen to a new series dropping every month.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Andrea Cheong, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/ Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Andrea Cheong on Instagram (@andreacheong_) and TikTok (@andreachong_) for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Andrea Cheong

    Writer: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Laetitia Berthier), Andrea Cheong

    Illustration: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Jeremie Guez)

    Music: Kikina Studio (special thanks to Tomer Lavie)


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  • In this week’s bonus episode of Fashion Our Future, our New York correspondent Galia Loupan meets up with the Toronto-native and New York City-transplant fashion designer, activist and founder of Brother Vellies, Aurora James.


    Founded in 2013 with the goal of keeping traditional African design practices and techniques alive, while also creating and sustaining artisanal jobs, Brother Vellies is worn regularly by dedicated followers including Beyonce, Meghan Markle, Zendaya, Rihanna, Serena Williams, Lady Gaga and Katy Perry. Her background in fashion, journalism, art, photography, and horticulture joins a forever-passion for artisanship, design, and humanitarianism.


    Aurora James also founded in June 2020 The Fifteen Percent Pledge, an initiative that urges retail giants to commit 15% of their shelf space to Black-owned businesses by creating clear business strategies and attainable goals. Within the first year, over 2 dozen major corporations dedicated to The Fifteen Percent Pledge, effectively diverting over $5B in capital to Black entrepreneurs in the United States.


    This bonus episode was recorded during the “Fashion our Future” event held on the 60th floor of the Manhatta restaurant in NYC, on March 16.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more :

    https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • We, as consumers, have some skin in the sustainability game too. While technological advances are leading the charge, behavioral changes also play a significant role in ensuring a more sustainable fashion future.


    In this final episode of the series, Fanny Moizant, co-founder of Vestiaire Collective, Victoria Prew, founder of HURR and Charlotte Dereux, founder of the B-corp brand Patine share their philosophies on how we as consumers can consume better and enjoy fashion without guilt.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • In this week’s bonus episode of Fashion Our Future, our New York correspondent Galia Loupan meets up with the new generation of Fashion Designers whose desire and ambition is to combine fashion with technology in order to develop more sustainable creation and production methods and create the Future of Fashion.


    Deborah Won is a Materials Concept Design Specialist. She approaches sustainability through the manufacturing process and uses parametric coding and unique materials so that it reduces the amount of human labour as well as physical waste in manufacturing.

    Lilach Porges is a 3D printing garments with robotic arms. Her work centers around developing innovative methods and “exploring architectonic shapes with the ambition to bring the worlds of science, engineering, and fashion together to empower women”.


    This bonus episode was recorded during the “Fashion our Future” event held on the 60th floor of the Manhatta restaurant in NYC, on March 16.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more :

    https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!

    You can also mention and follow Deborah Won and Lilach Porges on Instagram!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • What happens when fashion and technology join forces? Magic.


    In this episode, Suzanne Lee founder and CEO of Biofabricate, Maurizio Montalti co-founder of MOGU and Ingvar Helgason, co-founder and CEO of Vitrolabs walk us through the technology-enabled innovations such as lab-grown and animal-derived leather (think fungi), and other biomaterials that are refocusing the lens on the kind of raw materials that can be used in the industry.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • In this week’s bonus episode of Fashion Our Future, our New York correspondent Galia Loupan meets up with non other than the Chief Sustainability and Institutional Affairs Officer of Kering, the inimitable Marie-Claire Daveu. She sets out the strategy and ambitious objectives of reducing the environnemental footprint of Kering through innovation, as well as implementing a set of best practices within the Group and the Houses, making Kering a pioneer and recognized leader in sustainability.


    This bonus episode was recorded during the “Fashion Our Future” event held on the 60th floor of the Manhatta restaurant in NYC, on March 16.

    Fashion Our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more :

    https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • One important aspect of sustainability in the fashion industry is taking recycling to the next level with circularity.


    In this episode, Maud Hardy, the General Manager of Refashion, Cyndi Rhoades, founder of Worn Again Technologies, and Jane Palmer, CEO of Nature Coatings share their ideas on how viewing the clothes we wear and buy through a cyclical lens will help shape a better fashion future.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • Natasha Frank is not just an entrepreneur, she is a global disruptor. Natasha is the founder and CEO of EON, an incredible company that reinvents IoT (Internet of Things) for fashion apparel & retail, by digitizing the physical world and using that data to unlock transparency and circular economy.

    Learn about how this A-Lister got started, and where she—and the future of fashion—is headed in this bonus episode.


    This bonus episode was recorded during the “Fashion Our Future” event held on the 60th floor of the Manhatta restaurant in NYC, on March 16.


    Fashion Our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more :

    https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • Imagine being able to know everything about your favorite sweater, from the factory where it was made and every step in between until it landed in your closet… Advances in traceability and reporting are making that possible!


    In this episode, Andrée-Anne Lemieux, professor at the IFM, Institut Français de la Mode and Apurv Gupta, Sustainability Futurist at Kering, and Camille Le Gal, co-founder of Fairly Made share the practices and technologies that are making that vital information possible and how that knowledge can positively impact the fashion industry.


    You can find this episode and others on the Kering website and wherever you listen to podcasts.

    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more :

    https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • In this bonus #1, you will hear from climate activist and consultant to the United Nations, Saad Amer. Saad shares what it means to be a climate activist today, why we need to go from a system of extraction to a system of regeneration and what we can do to have a concrete impact #vote.


    This bonus episode was recorded during the “Fashion Our Future” event held on the 60th floor of the Manhatta restaurant in NYC, on March 16.


    Fashion Our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more :

    https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering), Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) and Saad Amer (@saadamer) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • Raw materials are used to produce the final textile products that become the clothes we wear and if the goal is to make luxury more sustainable we need to get to the nitty-gritty of how the production and processing of raw materials impact the environment.


    In this episode, Dr. Helen Crowley, former Head of Sustainable Sourcing and Nature Initiatives at Kering, now a partner at leading global investment firm Pollination, and M Sanjayan, Chief Executive Officer of Conservation International discuss the different materials used in the industry, their effect on the environment, and why a change in agricultural practices is key to protecting biodiversity in the future.


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


    Production: Kikina Studio

    Host: Laurianne Melierre

    Writer: Laetitia Berthier

    Illustration: Kikina Studio

    Music: Kikina Studio


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  • Welcome to Fashion Our Future, the podcast where we explore the solutions to make the fashion and luxury industry more sustainable and circular.


    Over the course of five episodes, creative, passionate, and committed industry insiders will discuss and demystify the sustainable practices and groundbreaking solutions that are influencing and changing the luxury fashion industry. Laurianne Melierre, 31-year old French journalist and fashion lover, will be your guide through this series so tune in, it’s going to be an exciting journey that will empower you with concrete knowledge and hope for the future!


    Fashion our Future is a podcast hosted by Laurianne Melierre, brought to you by Kering and produced by Kikina Studio. Check out the website to know more : https://www.kering.com/en/sustainability/


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


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  • I am supposed to fall into the definition of an informed consumer. I live in Paris, I’m 31 years old, an entrepreneur, a journalist, a writer, a TV host, a podcaster, a fashion enthusiast. My job is to meet people. To ask them the right questions and to shape their stories. When something interests me, I have no choice but to investigate. I’m someone that “should know” about sustainability.

    But when It comes to sustainability in fashion, I need to be truthful, I am kinda clueless.


    Everything just seems off.

    Is what I believe to be the right path actually the right path? What’s greenwashing, and what’s not? Why am I not sure of anything? And, is it just me or does sustainability still look super boring to some (think hemp trousers and earthy colors)?

    Long story short, I’m not clueless because I don’t care, but because I’m drowning — I’m drowning in a sea of information, without a life jacket safely guiding me toward a dry and informed shore. Basically, I don’t have the tools needed to understand the true depth of the subject.

    Well, actually that was before I started working on this podcast…


    Across five episodes, I picked the brains of industry insiders we rarely hear directly from: engineers, designers, scientists, environmental experts, researchers, and start-up founders from all over the world.

    As our Dear Albert Einstein once said (yep, we’re quoting Einstein now) “Any fool can know. The point is to understand.”


    I’m Laurianne Melierre and this is the Fashion our Future podcast.


    Share the podcast on social media with #fashionourfuture and follow Kering on Instagram (@kering_official) / Twitter (@KeringGroup) / Facebook (@keringgroup) / Linkedin (@Kering) and Laurianne Melierre (@laurianneme) on Instagram for more content and updates!


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