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Welcome back to another episode! An exclusive interview with author, food writer and all around brilliant human Sejal Sukhadwala, where we talk about Indian food, Indian history, the word curry, and the spread of said food but also Indian cuisine around the world and especially UK. We've met at the British Library Member's Area -hence the background chatter- and talking for nearly two hours about the long story of Indian food.
Since starting this podcast over two years now, I’ve covered many many topics from the ancient world. But I’ve never ventured in great detail in India’s past, to examine her vast, rich cuisine and history into any detail. Of course we know the ancient Greeks and Romans had trade networks in land and on sea that stretched to the Indian subcontinent, and there was a complex and interconnected commerce of spices, of many expensive ingredients used in the ancient Greek and Roman cuisine. Chiefly pepper, black and long pepper, but also cinnamon and ginger and various others. Some of the world's earliest civilizations rose and fell in the Indian subcontinent long before the Greeks wrote and spread the Homeric epics. But what do we know of the Indian culinary history? What do we know of their foods and ancient recipes? Did the complex mix of religions over the millennia and especially with Hinduism and later on Buddhism played a significant role in the diet of the people?
Have many things survived? What's the lineage that connects the past inhabitants of this vast land to the present day? Many of our staples today and some of the most popular vegetables and fruits have their origins in India. Cucumbers and aubergines are two prime examples. Sugar from sugarcane first is mentioned in ancient India of 1000BCE as we’ve seen in the episode of the podcast with Dr Neil Buttery a couple of months ago…
Well I’m very happy to say that I have a very esteemed guest on today’s episode to talk to us about many aspects of the complex and often misunderstood cuisine! Today’s episode will be a sort of introduction to the world of Indian cooking and I hope in the near future to explore a lot more in depth and detail the fragrant sweet and savoury character of the food from ancient times till the modern age of spice trade with the English Portuguese and Dutch…
Enjoy!
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Hello my lovely archaeogastronomers!
Today we'll explore the traditional Greek charcuterie, how is it made, what meat is used, and what continuation and connection has with the Byzantine and the ancient past.
I grew up eating bacon, ham, salami (danish style, milano style) and not much in the more traditional local Greek charcuterie. We were never famed for it in our modern cuisine as one knows Greek salad, feta cheese, pastitsio, souvlaki, moussaka etc...
I was curious: We don't do at all our unique preserved meats? And if so, why? And if it exists, why I don't know about it? I must taste it!
What is "Syglino", "Apaki" or Pasturmas?
Anyway let's find out of the unique smoked, salted, and matured meat preparations of Ionian Islands, of Peloponnese, Macedonia, Cyclades, Thrace and Crete!
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Volcanoes...
Ancient sacred rituals...
Cheese matured at the bottom of wine barrels. Cheese steeped in olive oil for months. Today's adventure in the eastern Aegean islands of Greece, is an unusual one.
The islands have their own unique, unusual and tasty cheeses that defy specific categorizations.
Greece. Cheese.
What can possibly else be said?
Enjoy today's adventure!
This weeks recommendations include:A YouTube lecture from Professor Tate Paulette:"Fermentation in Ancient Mesopotamia, Beer, Bread and More Beer":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDva-HQmLUo
And his book is out soon and it's called, "In the Land of Ninkasi: A History of Beer in Ancient Mesopotamia" , link to get it here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Land-Ninkasi-History-Ancient-Mesopotamia/dp/0197682448/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3LACZB9Y4597H&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.D8RjokggtN32jESMm27WyQ.FotreWbyENYZGO3fXGoHZ7LODlxcIb5sEFoKLfMWR0M&dib_tag=se&keywords=In+the+Land+of+Ninkasi%3A+A+History+of+Beer+in+Ancient+Mesopotamia&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1730400252&s=books&sprefix=in+the+land+of+ninkasi+a+history+of+beer+in+ancient+mesopotamia+%2Cstripbooks%2C84&sr=1-1
An interesting project to map ancient roads, shipwrecks on modern topographic maps:Putting human past on the MAPS:
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2024/06/harvard-digital-atlas-plots-patterns-from-history-ancient-and-modern/
Isaac Rangaswami Wooden City a newsletter about London.https://woodencity.substack.com/
The Hollow and the Whole — Picking Apples at Nightingale Cider in Tenterden, Kenthttps://www.pelliclemag.com/home/2024/03/20/the-hollow-and-the-whole-nightingale-cider-katie-mather
A Slice of Cheese podcast with Jenny Linford from FoodFM Radio.https://open.spotify.com/show/2weTJIKyG5XqQ04qFfwPUv?si=5b08742d7c5f4e6eThanks for listening and reading!
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Hellenistic Egypt: A land of opportunity. A rich, ancient, fertile land where anything is possible.
Hello! Welcome back to another episode of The Delicious Legacy
Bustling and busy cities with their markets and food stalls, and sellers hollering theirs goods isn't a new phenomenon exclusive to our metropolis of New York or London. These markets and people existed as long as cities existed!
But how these markets were organised in the ancient Mediterranean? What did they sell? How did they smell, who could trade and where in the city were they?
Well let's find out on the latest episode where we explore a particular market of a town that we have so much information -found quite literally in the rubbish- written by her own inhabitants, at the time they were alive!
I'm talking of course of the City of the Sharp-Nosed Fish, or as we know it , 'Oxyrhynchos', and the episode today is based on the book of Peter Parsons.
Enjoy!
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From Neolithic hunter-gatherers, to ordering food via an app on our phone and getting delivered with our groceries the English Table went through an extraordinary travel.
For access on the extra content subscribe on my Patreon page...
Food writer legend. Award winning author. Editor at Penguin Publishing. The lady is extraordinary!
Elizabeth David and Jane Grigson. Two names that might not resonate as much with today’s audience as they should, but significantly their food writing in the 60’s & 70’s created the genre that led to everyone from Delia Smith to Nigella Lawson today. They are perhaps the two most important cookbook authors and recipe writers (amongst many other things they did) of post-world war two Britain -and indeed very influential in the English speaking world-, in shaping how modern books about recipes and food are written; how the subject of food is seen as inclusive of many people from diverse backgrounds with the act of cooking and putting food on the table for a family and friends (regardless of social class or level of experience with cooking)
Anyway find out more about her life, and her new book and English food here!
The book is out on November the 4th: https://reaktionbooks.co.uk/work/the-english-table
Music by Pavlos Kapralos:
Much love,
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Fermented food is literally everywhere.
Why do we love fermented foods so much? When did we start making them intentionally and crucially are they good for us?
Today's special guest on the podcast is James Read, author of the book "Of Cabbages & Kimchi"
James Read is on a mission to smuggle bacteria into our kitchens. In Of Cabbages & Kimchi, he takes the ten greatest ‘living’ ferments – fermented foods that are neither cooked nor pasteurized – and places them under the microscope, before cooking with them in all their delicious versatility.
From the fiery funk of kimchi to the velvet tang of kefir, James describes the microbial process, then shares his recipes for recreating these wonders in your own kitchen. Alongside his recipes, James investigates the extraordinary cultural and historic backgrounds of fermented foods, exploring how the microbes that bring them to life have developed alongside our culinary evolution.
So I went into his house yesterday and had a lovely chat about his favourite fermented foods. We also tried some lovely home-made kimchi, soy sauce and tepache drink the Mexican slightly sweet slightly sour fermented beverage!
Find out more about James and order his book here: https://jamesreadwriter.com/
He is also on Instagram as @jamesreadwrites
Enjoy our conversation and if you have any questions or recommendations do let me know!
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Sushi and sashimi are now global sensations. But how sushi begun? The book Oishii reveal the deep history of sushi which began perhaps in China and mostly as a sour fermented food.
On this episode i have the honour to have as a guest Professor Eric C Rath of the University of Kansas to explain to us the history of sushi in Japan and how it conquered the world!
Our discussion is based of course on his 2021 book "Oishii: The History of Sushi" which is rather lovely and detailed and is out now by Reaktion Books.
Enjoy!
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In any discussion of French cheese, it is impossible to avoid that exasperated question from President De Gaulle "how can you govern a country that has more than 246 varieties of cheese?"
I'm Thom Ntinas and this is The Delicious Legacy Podcast!
This week, continuing our adventure with Ned, we taste and explore through the cheeses some forgotten corners of France and French history for that matter.
Mons cheesemonger for the best French cheese: https://mons-cheese.co.uk/
Salers cheese from Auvergne: https://www.cheese.com/salers/
José Bové, farm union leader from Larzac to MEP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1riGwPStcPo
Patrick Rance: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b013fm7g
Enjoy!
Book recommendation of the week is Koji Alchemy: Rediscovering the Magic of Mold-Based Fermentation(Soy Sauce, Miso, Sake, Mirin, Amazake, Charcuterie)
and you can find it on Amazon etc.
Podcast recommendation Sam Bilton's "Comfortably Hungry" podcast, new season, Dark Food is out now. You can listen here the first episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5K3H51ujWsu33S39vKb0E8?si=fa632f073ece4be2
See you again next week!
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Cheese: A story of place and people. How is that cheese is so universal, yet so unique from one little place to the next few miles down the road?
Ned went for an adventure all over France to find an answer on "what is French Cheese?" and "why do we love it so much?" while looking for the most representative cheeses that tell this story.
Along the way, he discovered many more extraordinary and surprising details about the history of the villages, cheesemakers and cheesemongers of France.
How do some of them still clinging on, on their traditional ways? On mountaintops, through rainy autumns. harsh winters or spring and summer?
What cheese and revolution have to tell us about the making of a nation?
Ned's book is extraordinary, fascinating and full of individual powerful characters, as pungent and sophisticated at the same time as the cheeses that they create!
Join us on the first part of the interview today, to find out the history of French Cheese, and it's survival through the industrial and technological revolutions until this day.
Ned's book is out on Thursday 3rd of October and you can get it on all good bookshops, plus you can order it online:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-cheesemongers-tour-de-france/ned-palmer/9781788166935
Enjoy!
Thom
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Autumn! The weather's finally turning and it's time to prepare the pickles, preserves and chutneys with the abundance of summer harvest!
But what did our ancestors do to prepare for the long cold, dark northern winter months ahead? How did they survive the scarce food resources of Europe's dormant nature?
What traditions and superstitions persisted through the ages?
What food was eaten in Michaelmas and Martinmas important celebrations of the autumn season?
Let's find out on this week's episode!
This weeks recommendations are:
A Is for Apple Podcast with Neil Buttery, Sam Bilton and Alessandra Pino.
https://open.spotify.com/show/4wpXiAoQUoFkeE0YgsT6qx?si=27666b362d434872
Dr Alessandra Pinos new book, "A Gothic Cookbook"
https://unbound.com/books/a-gothic-cookbook
And Vittles which has a wealth of food related articles and restaurant reviews and recommendations:
https://www.vittlesmagazine.com
Enjoy!
As ever, music by Pavlos Karpalos.
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Hello!
Welcome back to another archaeogastronomical adventure!
Today's episode is all about ancient vegetarianism.
And the philosopher Pythagoras is the central figure on all the stuff we talk today.
Pythagoras, the father of mathematics, was born and raised in Samos. around 580BCE. Even though Pythagoras spent more than forty years in his birthplace, he eventually decided to set sail for new seas; his thirst for knowledge led him to travel throughout most of the then known world, most notably Egypt and Babylon, centres of wisdom knowledge and secret mystical rites, before settling down to Croton, a town in Magna Graecia, modern Southern Italy.
Notes for some names dropped:
Theophrastus (c. 371–287 BCE) was a Peripatetic philosopher who was Aristotle's close colleague and successor at the Lyceum. He wrote many treatises in all areas of philosophy, in order to support, improve, expand, and develop the Aristotelian system. Of his few surviving works, the most important are Peri phytōn historia (“Inquiry into Plants”) and Peri phytōn aitiōn (“Growth of Plants”), comprising nine and six books, respectively.
Aulus Gellius (c. 125 – after 180 AD) was a Roman author and grammarian, who was probably born and certainly brought up in Rome. He was educated in Athens, after which he returned to Rome.
Ovid (born March 20, 43 bce, Sulmo, Roman Empire [now Sulmona, Italy]—died 17 ce, Tomis, Moesia [now Constanṭa, Romania]) was a Roman poet noted especially for his Ars amatoria and Metamorphoses.
Vetch: A member of the pea family, Fabaceae, which forms the third largest plant family in the world with over thirteen thousand species. Of these species, the bitter vetch, was one of the first domesticated crops grown by neolithic people. There are many different vetch species, the purple flowered varieties are all safe to eat.
Music Credits:
Pavlos Kapralos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgAonk4-uVhXXjKSF-Nz1A
Thanks for listening!
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When did the word 'Barbecue' appeared in our language?
As a technique it has been used under various guises from all humans, throughout the planet...
This early appearance from 1709:
I have been often in their Hunting-Quarters, where a roasted or barbakued Turkey, eaten with Bears Fat, is held a good Dish;
Or this from 1707 "The Three Pigs of Peckham, Broiled Under an Apple Tree"
...the white folks of Peckham, Jamaica, had “their English appetites so deprav’d and vitiated” by rum that they desired “a Litter of Pigs nicely cook’d after the West Indian manner.” Three hogs were placed on a wooden frame over coals, and “the best part of the town of Peckham” turned out to watch and to eat, “expressing as much Joy in the Looks and Actions, as a Gang of wild Cannibals who, when they have taken a Stranger, first dance round him, and afterwards devour him.”
Can we say that every technique that uses fire and smoke, even if it's spit roasting or grilling to a degree, constitutes a barbecuing technique?
And what is that we find so attractive so convivial?
Listen, and get hungry!
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Have you ever wondered how common or rare the ovens once were? What was the original mince pie? And what was the first EVER bread humankind invented?
Hello!
Welcome back to another archaeogastronomical adventure!
Today I have as a guest an old friend of the podcast; Dr Neil Buttery and we have a good long chat about his new book, all about baking!
The book will be released on 12th of September and our interview today will give you a taste of the subjects covered in the book as well some of our favourite baked goods, and myths that are baked in our societies and have to do with the discovery of certain items!
You can pre-order 'Knead to Know' here:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/knead-to-know/neil-buttery/9781837731213
Neil has also another book ready for publishing, for The British Library, called "The Philosophy of Puddings" which is released on 24th of October!
and you can find it here:
https://shop.bl.uk/products/the-philosophy-of-puddings
Enjoy!
Thom & The Delicious Legacy
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What is with vinegar? Why it is so popular as an ingredient in our cooking?
Why do we love the sour taste so much when mixed in our dishes?
In the ancient Mediterranean vinegar was practically always made from wine, hence the epic epithet oininon oxos 'winy vinegar' employed by Archestratus.
Vinegar is most often used as a culinary ingredient and as a preservative. Numerous medicinal uses are listed by ancient physicians. A vinegar and water mixture, known in Greek as oxykraton, was also used medicinally. A very similar mixture, flavoured with herbs, formed a popular cheap drink (Latin posca, Greek oxos and later phouska)
Music by Pavlos Kapralos.
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Pickled food through the ages and continents!
We will go to the ancient lands of China, India, Mesopotamia, Greece, and Rome, and through them to Persia, the Arab world, Spain and Latin America!
I think a history of civilization is a history of pickles, and fermentation!
Without fermentation we wouldn't have beer, wine, cheese, miso, kimchi. sauerkraut and pickled herrings!
Where would we be then huh? Or how the lactobacillales domesticated humankind...
We will also be seeing a medieval chutney from Richard the II's cookbook "Forme of Cury", evidence of the first "modern" mention of brined cheese aka feta from Crete, the emergence of Dutch pickled herrings and how it conquered Europe, a brief history of saurekraut, Indian pickles, why balsamic vinegar is such a special vinegar, and of course the holy triptych of soya beans- soy sauce- miso!
Sources used in this episode is Jan Davidsons book: Pickles A Global History
and the fantastic Noma Guide to Fermentation
alongside with Cato "Liber De Agricultura"
and Columella's "De Re Rustica" agricultural manual
Music theme is Seikilos Epitaph the oldest recorded surviving melody, performed by the formidable Panos Kapralos.
Thank you and enjoy!
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Hello!
With the arrival of the Olympic Games in Paris, we have a reached a peak of reminders of the ancient Greek Olympic games and with them, a tonne of misinformation and misconceptions about the ancient Olympians!
Well, the most important thing, was left out however from most of these articles; The food and the drink and the partying in Ancient Olympia! What was it like?
How did an ancient Olympian athlete and a winner ate, what was their diet and how they've used food and wine as ways to cheat their way to the first place?
These and a lot more, with myths from the ancient times on today's episode!
Enjoy!
The Delicious Legacy
Music by Pavlos Kapralos
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Hello!
Part two of our archaeogastronomical adventure is out!
How the myth of Marco Polo bringing "pasta" back to Italy started? What's the truth behind it?
What are the origins of tea and tea drinking ceremonies?
How important are dairy products, milk and cheese in Chinese culinary history and what's the impact today?
All this and a lot more on our episode today!
Excited to have as a guest Professor Thomas DuBois introducing us to his new book, an adventure through China's culinary history "China in Seven Banquets, A Flavourful History", published by Reaktion Books: https://reaktionbooks.co.uk/work/china-in-seven-banquets
You can purchase Professor Thomas DuBois book from many online shops like here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/china-in-seven-banquets/thomas-david-dubois/9781789148619
Enjoy part two, of our adventure through China!
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Hello!
Excited to have as a guest Professor Thomas DuBois introducing us to his new book, an adventure through China's culinary history "China in Seven Banquets, A Flavourful History" , published by Reaktion Books: https://reaktionbooks.co.uk/work/china-in-seven-banquets
You can purchase Professor Thomas DuBois book from many online shops like here: https://www.waterstones.com/book/china-in-seven-banquets/thomas-david-dubois/9781789148619
Enjoy part one, and I'll see you next week for part two!
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Enjoy a nearly three thousand year exploration of Persian food, culture and inventions that made our culinary pleasures, even more pleasurable!
Info if you want to find out about yakhtchal, the ancient Persian refrigerators check here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakhch%C4%81l
The Shahnameh (“Book of Kings”) By Ferdowsi -the Persian epic poem
https://sdbiblestudy.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/The-Shahnameh.pdf
Medieval Persian Cookbook
"A Baghdad Cookery Book"
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Baghdad-Cookery-Book-Al-oTabaikh-Culinaires/dp/1903018420/ref=pd_bxgy_d_sccl_1/258-4486056-9939464?pd_rd_w=h0uD7&content-id=amzn1.sym.46f507f3-7fc1-4bf4-9492-ed026d6e4f68&pf_rd_p=46f507f3-7fc1-4bf4-9492-ed026d6e4f68&pf_rd_r=CY9W5FDBRDZ88YJH8B8J&pd_rd_wg=jGw6S&pd_rd_r=287bc114-87a3-4bc4-bc48-174d24e4ac0b&pd_rd_i=1903018420&psc=1
-How Persian Kings and the Imperial Court was drinking wine from rhyton:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yJCay1_CA4
Food of Life: Ancient Persian and Modern Iranian Cooking and Ceremonies by Najmieh Khalili Batmanglij
https://www.najmieh.com/book/food-of-life-ancient-persian-and-modern-iranian-cooking-and-ceremonies/
I hope you will enjoy this episode as much as I did!
Much love,
Thom & The Delicious Legacy
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An early fourteenth-century Baghdadi cookbook begins thus: “The pleasures of this world are six: food, drink, clothing, sex, scent, and sound. The most eminent and perfect of these is food, for food is the foundation of the body and the material of life.”
What is a "rhyton"? What's a yakhtchal? And how is that Persian walled gardens are connected to Christian paradise?
I am Darius, the great king, the king of kings, the king in Persia, the king of countries, the son of Hystaspes, the grandson of Arsames, the Achaemenide.
Join me on this new episode to explore nearly three thousand years of Persian food, culture and inventions that elevated our culinary pleasures to higher standards that we still follow to this day!
Music by Pavlos Kapralos and Motion Array
Enjoy!
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