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Much of this conversation can be enjoyed In podcast form, but if you want to see Lester's art during the discussion, the YouTube format would be better.
https://youtu.be/DsLS-vojqt4
A rich dialogue between Karen Wong and Lester Rappaport, focusing on their artistic journeys and the intellectual influences (Jordan Peterson and John Vervaeke, among others) that have shaped their work: The conversation sets a collaborative tone, with both participants exploring their artistic processes and the broader cultural movements they are part of, particularly those emerging from Toronto.
Lester recounted his introduction to John Vervaeke's ideas and the impact of discussions with other thinkers, which led him to connect with Karen. They both expressed excitement about being part of a transformative intellectual renaissance, highlighting the significance of various influential figures. The conversation then shifted to the artistic history of Toronto, with discussions about the David Mirvish Gallery and the evolution of their respective artistic practices. Karen shared her journey through different painting mediums, while Lester reflected on his transition from drawing to abstract art, emphasizing the importance of spontaneity and exploration in artistic expression.
Karen introduced Stephen Wolfram's innovative ideas in physics, particularly his alternative understanding of space and time. This led to a conversation about generative models and the relational aspects of the universe, referencing physicist Carlo Rovelli's views. The dialogue also touched on personal reading habits and the transformative impact of engaging with philosophical texts.
With reflections on personal growth, grief, and the transformative power of art, Lester shared how his experiences, including the loss of his mother and a cancer diagnosis, influenced his artistic development and led to significant lifestyle changes. Both participants discussed the interplay of culture and personal experiences in shaping their artistic expressions, referencing Jordan Peterson's insights on navigating cultural roles. The conversation ends with a philosophical exploration of art's implications, with Lester articulating the significance of his artistic choices and Karen emphasizing the connection between life and the creative process.
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Brantley Vosler is a worship pastor and joins Karen to talk about the nature of meaning as it relates to music, as a language and as a path forward.
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Haris, computer scientist, mathematician and student of the classics, joins Karen to discuss the concept of risk understood through the lens of human cognition and pattern recognition.
Timestamps:
00:00 Exploration of Meta-Hypotheses and Platonic Philosophy
07:30 Mount St. Helens and Ecosystem Regeneration
11:30 Quantum Concepts and Universal Fittedness
20:15 Hypothesis Generation and the Nature of Mathematics
28:05 Discussion on Mathematics, Physics, and the Nature of Discovery
39:05 Human Pattern Recognition and Forecasting
51:12 Distinctions Between Teleology and Teleonomy
55:02 Platonism and the Concept of the Demiurge
1:05:02 Decoding Plato's Cryptic Passage through Prime Numbers and Primordials
1:24:18 Holographic Principles and Chiastic Structures The concept of risk understood through the lens of human cognition and pattern recognition
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A noted mathematician and philosopher, William A. Dembski is a Founding and Senior Fellow with Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture and a Distinguished Fellow with the Institute’s Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence. His most recent books relating to intelligent design include Being as Communion: A Metaphysics of Information (2014), Evolutionary Informatics (2017, co-authored with Robert Marks and Winston Ewert), and the second edition of The Design Inference (2023, co-authored with Winston Ewert). More info here: https://www.discovery.org/p/dembski/
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Ben Lyons recently gave a talk on Michael Levin's Academic Channel with his theory that price in economics relates to Levin's theory of bio electricity as the cognitive glue of collective intelligence. Marcus Shera, expert in Austrian Economics, joins us to discuss this theory and how it might apply to the wider view.
Timestamps:
0:00 Introductions
04:28 Exploring the Concept of Value in Economics and Biology
19:47 Discussion on Cellular Level Decision Making
24:02 Brain Function and Finance Analogy
29:15 Economic Perspectives and Transaction Costs
39:05 Computational Irreducibility and Reducibility
41:30 Contracts and Social Institutions
52:32 Discussion on the Role of DNA in Biological Systems
58:20 Discussion on Subjective Theory of Value and Scarcity
1:02:48 Discussion on Entropy and its Relationship to Choice and Economics
1:19:00 Exploring the Relationship Between Opportunity Cost and Entropy
1:26:04 Discussion on the Role of Price System in Coordinating System
Ben Lyons presentation to Michael Levin: https://youtu.be/0Oo4ng6dWrQ?si=vzfUAjNG6pSqOXmg
Ben Lyons website and an article on Memory in Mathematics: https://benjaminflyons.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/memories-in-math-3.pdf?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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Karen and Cory David Barker discuss the book "Foundations of Arch Disciplinarity" and the contributions of Brendan Graham Dempsey starting with Cory's early life and his interest in comparative religion and Carl Jung's work, which led him to develop archidisciplinarity, including scopes of inquiry towards a broader discussion on the evolution of human advancement and the integration of disparate domains for joint problem solving.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:15 Cory's new book, The Foundations of Archdisciplinarity with Brendan Graham Dempsey as one of the co-authors and Cory's background with comparative religions and Jungian archetypes.
05:19 Universal computability as an archetypal pattern that manifests across various frameworks of human knowledge.
12:10 Universal patterns and their impact on human understanding and decision-making, touching on
19:45 The cyclical nature of conservatism and progressivism. The scientific process as a form of universal computability pattern, drawing parallels between the process of painting and making decisions in life.
24:27 Anomaly as a necessary transcendental function of nature. The categorization of human endeavors in academia, emphasizing the relationship between utility and aesthetic in art and its parallels to scientific exploration.
28:25 The importance of context and the underlying principles of universal computability and the subconscious processes involved in creating art, as well as the historical and societal influences on art, reflecting the unconscious development of a society through artistic expression.
36:23 Recursivity
39:40 A detailed discussion about arch disciplinarity, exploring its connection to universal computability and the energy, design work, and power involved in creating objects.
48:05 The release of the first edition of the Foundations of Arch Disciplinarity book, emphasizing the plan to release a second edition with more examples and stories to bring the concepts to life for readers.
Go to Arc.voyage to read the book for free.
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Michael Bull, author of Bible Matrix and numerous other works joins Tomer Solomon to discuss the question, "Is the chiastic structure a literary device or does it reflect a deep core pattern of reality?" Tomer draws on his knowledge of Arthur Young's Reflexive Universe and A. N. Whitehead's process philosophy to discuss the isomorphisms of these structures that keep showing up everywhere as scale invariants.
For more information on the Encountering Face to Face conference in Olympia, WA in September, https://estuarynorthwest2024.com
Michael Bull's website: https://www.biblematrix.com.au This is chock full of great resources.
Previous conversation on Bowtie Structures in perception: https://youtu.be/Iz7yC6Ux0Jk
The paper Karen and Ryan were discussing in that video: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.09426
METABOLIC PATHWAY MAP. https://faculty.cc.gatech.edu/~turk/bio_sim/articles/metabolic_pathways.png
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Michael Levin, developmental and synthetic biologist from Tufts U meets Jordan Hall, pioneer of disruptive technologies. What's the crossover? Come along to find out!
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:34 Bowtie concept in cognitive systems
08:54 Collective Intelligence and Embodiment
17:15 Markets and Cognitive glue
19:33 Scaling
22:14 Mechanisms of Cognitive Glue
24:47 Identity question
25:12 Mechanisms of Cognitive Glue
29:33 What is OODA?
36:37 Hyperobjects
39:48 Complexity and Effort in Biological and Social Systems
48:05 Patterns and Collective Intelligence
53:17 Nature of Poetry and its relation to Consciousness
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Can the price mechanism be seen in biology?
Signups for Olympia Face to Face conference at: https://estuarynorthwest2024.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
23:01 How is the price mechanism influenced by collective intelligence?
27:06 What is the role of subjective value in determining prices?
44:43 How does profit provide different kinds of information compared to prices?
1:03:38 Is inflation an evil force that keeps people down?
1:21:06 What does it mean to witness and observe in the context of economics?
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Olena and Karen explore specific paragraphs of "Maps of Meaning" regarding the implications of individuality and subjectivity in Peterson's teachings, highlighting the complex dynamics in personal growth and interaction with others as well as the nuanced relationship between humility and confidence drawing insights from the work of Dallas Willard, and discussing the development of intuition and its relevance in facing life's challenges. The transformative power of trust and faith in navigating fear and embracing the unknown arises in the midst of finding treasures in chaos, drawing parallels to dragons guarding treasure and emphasizing that valuable treasures are hidden in difficult situations. Additionally, they explore the dynamics of initiation and response, discussing the interplay between active will and response, and highlighting the importance of every individual's unique expression of creativity as a contribution to the wholeness of society. Because of generational differences, discernment is essential in bringing back treasure and integrating it into the community.
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Karen Wong and General Grizwald Grim of the First Ingression Protocol discussed a range of topics, including an upcoming conference in Olympia, WA (estuarynorthwest2024.com).
Conspiracy theories, the educational system, the kayfabe of the American dream, fear, demonic power, and conscious love emphasizing the importance of clear communication, trusted human networks, positive actions, and reliance on Jesus to overcome darkness
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Rafe Kelley, founder of Evolve Move Play and host of a podcast by the same name get together to lay the groundwork for a conference at which they will speak in September.
Timestamps follow info on the conference. https://estuarynorthwest2024.com Olympia, WA,
September 12 through 15. Signups are still available.
Other speakers include Paul VanderKlay, Dr. Chris Green, Dr. Michael Martin and poet Graham Pardun. Hosted by Nate Hile, host of Grail Country podcast.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:30 Strength and capacity of human body requires love and sacrifice
01:20 Physical and dialogical practices 02:10 Love as a physical expression
05:00 The upside and downside of transformative practices
12:03 Mindfulness practices
19:11 Discussion of Evolve Move Play retreats
13:12 Books John Vervaeke recommended to Rafe Kelley
34:54 How Rafe got involved in this little corner
37:23 Dealing with fear
41:00 Metamodernism
49:15 Rafe's journey towards an exploration of Christianity
1:10:45 The relationship between faith and works
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The conversation between D C Schindler (PhD professor of metaphysics and anthropology) and Jordan Hall (pioneer of disruptive technologies) emphasized the need to bridge the domains of science, philosophy, and theology to gain a deeper understanding of the transcendent and its implications for human identity and the pursuit of knowledge.
Timestamps follow announcements:
Reminder there is still time to sign up for Estuary Northwest 2024, the Face to Face conference in Olympia, WA September 12th or 13th through the 15th.
Signups at https://www.estuarynorthwest2024.com.
Speakers include Paul VanderKlay, Dr. Chris Green, Graham Pardun, Rafe Kelley, dr. Michael Martin and me.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
05:00 The radical nature of our problems are getting us to the heart of the matter.
05:43 The excitement of the synchronicity of unicorns!
16:00 Subject object loop of learning
19:50 The immanent and the transcendent
24:00 Faith as Reality in relationship with us
27:00 The consequences of lived multiculturalism, the global village and Marshall McLuhan 29:00 Challenges of communication across ideological boundaries
40:40 Discussing the video clip of Michael Levin's discussion with Karl Friston and Chris Fields on the idea of novelty and the transcendent. Where does novelty come from?
48:00 Exploring the concept of novelty and the isness of objects. Novelty is not strange (Heidegger) 50:45 Banal novelty and the booby trapping of metaphysics. Seeking a deeper understanding of the concept of metaphysics and its relationship to theology.
58:30 Developing the premise of the relationship between the transcendent and personal relationship with reality. (The nature of faith, reason, and the transcendent).
1:07:18 Recasting the self in the transformative experience.
1:10:36 The principles of design and beauty in art and nature intersecting with the principles of science and metaphysics.
1:18:04 Discovering art as a continuity of contact with the transcendent
1:22:07 The relationship between truth, science, art, and religion. 1:26:30 Announcing the upcoming conference in Olympia, Washington.
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Sam Tideman of the YouTube channel, Transfigured, joins Karen to discuss the recent Peter Robinson interview with Stephen Meyer, David Berlinski and James Orr called The Magician's Twin. Info for the September conference in Olympia, WA where I will be one of the speakers. https://www.estuarynorthwest2024.com/
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
01:06. The Nature of Scientific Laws
19:02 Aristotle's Four Causes and Their Relevance in Science
25:02 The Purpose of Survival 30:04 Discussion on Completeness and the Desire to Exist
42:46 Confronting Anomalies and the Pursuit of Perfection
50:47 Exploring the Christological Passage
59:30 The Nature of AI and its Potential Influence on Humanity
1:09:47 Evolution and Creationism Discussion
1:16:31 The Mathematical Challenge of Protein Discovery
1:21:54 Evolution and Adaptability
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Annie Crawford, a classical educator and cultural apologist, discussed her work in renewing a sacramental view of the world emphasizing the importance of this worldview in addressing the modern meaning crisis as it reveals that meaning is woven into the fabric of creation. Annie defined sacraments as visible signs of invisible grace. She shared her personal journey of rebuilding her life and family around a sacramental view of the world, drawing inspiration from C.S. Lewis, Plato, and her experiences in a liturgical church. Discussing the role of moral values in academic discourse, she highlighted the potential risks of falling into postmodern relativism and the influence of critical theory. Karen and Annie explored the idea that embracing certain moral values can serve as a safeguard against these pitfalls and discussed the connection between objective truth, metaphysical truth, and moral discourse. Additionally, they addressed the tension of the "inner ring", the desire to be part of the elite, and the potential moral implications of using it as a motivation for moral endeavors. After that background, they brought in the themes of "That Hideous Strength" by C.S. Lewis, drawing parallels to Augustine's City of God and the biblical dichotomy of the kingdom of heaven versus the kingdom of man. They highlighted the importance of patient waiting and obedience in the process of healing the world. Annie particularly emphasized the idea that grandiose plans and rhetoric are not the key to victory, but rather it is obedience, humility, and quiet faithfulness that play a pivotal role. The conversation underscored the powerful portrayal of these themes by Lewis and the encouragement it provides in understanding the role of obedience in the restoration of the world. The symbolism of the head in Lewis's work draws connections to transhumanist ideologies and depopulation strategies. The prophetic nature of Lewis's writings in relation to current societal trends highlights the relevance of his ideas to contemporary issues. The current concern about the significance of AI and the potential introduction of superhuman intelligences from another world reflects on the broader implications of these concepts in the context of science, faith, and societal evolution.
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Apologies! Right around 6 minutes, I say Adam Sandler when I meant Adam Savage:-)
Timestamps are approximate.
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:00 The Intersection of Art and Science in Measurement
15:00 Tolerance and Precision in Manufacturing
25:00 Viscosity and its Relationship to Environmental Factors
41:00 The Complexity of Science and Empirical Derivation
46:00 Discussion on Thermodynamics and Viscosity
53:00 Discussion on Temperature and Energy Transfer
58:00 Precision Measurement and Metrology
1:06:14 Discussion on the Concepts of Ruler and Standard
1:16:00 Discussion on Measurement, Uncertainty, and Perception
Here's the summary the AI did, which is pretty good on the technical stuff, but the underlying metaphysical implications seemed to fly right over its head.
"The meeting addressed several topics, including metrology and measurement, viscosity, energy transfer, and precision measurement . The conversation then shifted to tolerance and precision in manufacturing. The speakers examined the impact of tolerance on production costs and the necessity for machines to achieve greater precision than the components they produce. They also considered the effects of environmental factors like temperature on machining processes and the importance of measuring components at specific temperatures. Further, William and Karen discussed the concept of viscosity and its relationship with environmental factors, such as temperature, pressure, and surface roughness. They compared the behavior of liquids and gases concerning viscosity and discussed its practical implications in engineering, especially in fluid dynamics and mold design. The complexity of science was another topic of discussion, with an emphasis on the limitations of achieving a completely ideal understanding and the use of maps, equations, and measurements with tolerance and approximation. Additionally, the relationship between temperature and energy transfer was explored, considering the process of adding energy to an object and the resulting cooling effect. The speakers highlighted the hidden complexities of measurement and metrology and the intricate processes involved in achieving accurate and reliable measurements."
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Karen Wong and Jess Purviance ranged from their personal backgrounds and interests to deep theological explorations of the Book of Job. They discussed how a deep dive into a specific topic can reveal the interconnectedness and how it can provide a framework for understanding the world. They also spoke of embracing uncertainty and finding faith in difficult circumstances, drawing inspiration from scriptural examples and personal experiences.
They also analyzed the book's relationship to Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, highlighting the unique illustration of Job's integrity and suffering that goes beyond the wisdom books in the Bible.
Psalms and Job are both good examples for dealing with a diverse array of human emotions and experiences, including anger, despair, and praise,
In a look at the role of boundaries and chaos in creation, they drew from biblical references and mythological stories to illustrate their points.
In the next get together, they plan to talk about measurement. In preparation for this, you could watch this fascinating video of
Adam Savage on gauge blocks: https://youtu.be/qE7dYhpI_bI?si=QP80-nxysYLQMx7C
Become New on the "world of perhaps": https://youtu.be/uJwB5OwG-34?si=hVsYWmBDMFJ3Zkqj
Jess' Youtube channel (scroll down for playlist of Job episodes: https://www.youtube.com/@JessPurviance
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Christian Baxter of the new Youtube Channel, Yours Truly, joins Karen for an extended discussion of the telos of worship. For a peak at how AI described this conversation, scroll down past the links.
The very first episode on Christian's channel: https://youtu.be/aUbULLbltzo?si=ZF249oYpIyJK0NHO
Christian's first conversation with Karen: https://youtu.be/tSIFpKcE_Fk?si=u62VXLD9EgDwO0s-
"Living Water" by Christian Baxter, with Karen's "Living Water" series of paintings: https://youtu.be/BhTWO-C2pRg?si=t5RBwHTpZK_ZM61R
For the curious sort, here is how AI described this conversation:
"Christian Baxter and Karen Wong had a deep discussion about the evolution of online conversations and the shift towards long-form discussions. They also discussed finding better language for the telos of worship to bridge theological distinctions, the concept of sacredness and worship, and the essence of worship as a continuous practice beyond Sunday gatherings. They expressed a desire for more corporate prayer, scripture reading, and a sense of restoration and remembrance in evangelical church services, highlighting the absence of these elements in their current experiences. They also explored the idea that active engagement in liturgical rituals can lead to a more profound and transformative experience compared to passive consumption. The speakers also discussed the evolution of worship music in churches, focusing on the transition from traditional to contemporary styles. They explored the consequences of this shift, such as the fragmentation of church services and the lack of communal participation in worship. They also delved into a thought-provoking discussion about the symbolic meaning of communion elements, emphasizing the profound significance of bread and wine production processes. They expressed concerns about the potential loss of meaning in modern worship practices, particularly in music and preaching, and stressed the need for language to address the crisis within the worship space. Christian Baxter led a discussion on the implications of the Dunbar number in church growth, emphasizing the need to recognize the limitations of scaling a church beyond a certain size. He argued that rather than viewing the capacity as a barrier to overcome, it should be seen as a practical marker for determining what the church can effectively manage."
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