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  • In this episode of We Chat Divorce, hosts Karen and Catherine are joined by special guest Tracy Malone, a recognized expert in narcissistic abuse and divorce coaching, to delve into essential yet often-overlooked financial considerations in parenting plans. Tracy introduces her new program, ParentingPlans.org, which supports parents in building comprehensive, forward-thinking parenting plans. These plans address not only custody arrangements but also the critical financial components that typical child support agreements may miss. Tracy explains why setting clear financial expectations upfront can help parents avoid future disputes and costly court visits, fostering a peaceful co-parenting environment for their children.
    Key Topics Discussed:

    Financial protections to include in parenting plans

    Why parenting plans should extend beyond time-sharing and custody

    Addressing shared expenses for children, such as braces, sports, and technology

    Preventing conflicts by defining financial responsibilities from the start

    Empowering parents with tools and resources for creating thorough parenting plans


    Tracy Malone is a renowned author, speaker, and educator, recognized globally for her work in narcissistic abuse and divorce coaching. She is the founder of NarcissisticAbuseSupport.com and recently launched ParentingPlans.org, a resource platform guiding parents in building thoughtful, financially secure post-divorce parenting plans.

    Links and Resources Mentioned:

    Tracy’s website: NarcissisticAbuseSupport.com


    Tracy’s program: ParentingPlans.org


    My Divorce Solution’s Financial Portrait: My Divorce Solution


    Listen to the full episode for more expert tips and insights to help you navigate the often-overlooked tax implications of divorce.
    Subscribe & Listen on your favorite podcast streaming platform or watch the show on YouTube!
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    Facebook: @mydivorcesolution

    Disclaimer:
    The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance.
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • Episode Summary:
    In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan break down a
    Forbes article titled “8 Ways to Lower the Cost of Divorce” and provide insightful
    commentary on how to navigate divorce more cost-effectively. Divorce can often feel
    overwhelming, both emotionally and financially, but with proper preparation and the right
    approach, couples can save money and reduce stress. From choosing the right
    process—whether it’s mediation, litigation, or collaboration—to understanding how to work
    with professionals like attorneys, paralegals, and financial experts, this episode guides
    listeners on smart strategies to lower costs while staying organized and prepared.
    Key topics include:
    ● The importance of preparation and choosing the right divorce process
    ● The value of organization when handling financial records
    ● Why using associates and paralegals may save you money
    ● When to delay paying for appraisals
    ● Smart strategies for dividing assets, especially retirement accounts
    Key Takeaways:
    ● Proper planning and preparation are essential for minimizing costs during a divorce.
    ● Working with the right professionals, while staying organized, can make a significant
    financial difference.
    ● The MDS Financial Portrait is an essential tool for gaining clarity and control over
    your financial future.
    Resources:
    ● MDS Financial Portrait
    ● Forbes article: 8 Ways to Lower the Cost of Divorce
    Subscribe: Stay tuned for more episodes unraveling the complexities of finance and
    divorce!

    Follow Us:
    Instagram: @mydivorcesolution
    Facebook: @mydivorcesolution

    Disclaimer:
    The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only
    and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in
    the relevant fields for personalized guidance.
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions
    of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be
    considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes
    only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our
    places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their
    attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act
    or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice
    from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of
    any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not
    endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or
    organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not
    be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials
    or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions,
    standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND
    ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
    CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF,
    REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE
    INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at
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    email request. Thank you!
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  • We Chat Divorce Hosts: Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew
    Special Guest: Hubert Johnson, Tax Attorney, Law Professor, and Founder of Guardian Tax Law
    In this insightful episode of We Chat Divorce, hosts Catherine and Karen welcome tax attorney and law professor Hubert Johnson to discuss the complexities of taxes in divorce. With over a decade of experience, Hubert shares valuable insights on managing tax issues before, during, and after divorce. They cover essential topics, including filing statuses, innocent spouse relief, shared custody tax claims, and how to protect yourself from unexpected liabilities.
    Topics Covered:

    Common tax pitfalls to avoid in divorce

    The importance of reviewing tax liabilities before finalizing settlements

    Navigating innocent spouse relief and shared custody tax claims

    The financial implications of filing statuses and potential liabilities

    How Guardian Tax Law and My Divorce Solution can provide resources to support clients through these challenges


    Key Takeaways:

    Plan Ahead: Understanding tax implications early on can prevent costly mistakes.

    Innocent Spouse Relief: Know the requirements and limitations before assuming it applies.

    Protect Your Financial Standing: Consider the impacts of joint filings and tax settlements on long-term finances.

    Get Informed: Resources like My Divorce Solution’s preparation platform and Guardian Tax Law’s consultations are crucial for smart financial decisions.

    Resources Mentioned:

    Guardian Tax Law https://guardiantaxlaw.com/

    Smart Money Culture https://smartmoneyculture.tv/

    My Divorce Solution’s Financial Portrait https://mydivorcesolution.com/financial-portrait/

    Listen to the full episode for more expert tips and insights to help you navigate the often-overlooked tax implications of divorce.

    Subscribe & Listen:
    Apple Podcasts
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    Follow Us:
    Instagram: @mydivorcesolution
    Facebook: @mydivorcesolution

    Disclaimer:
    The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the relevant fields for personalized guidance.
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you!


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  • In this episode of My Divorce Solution, Karen and Catherine dive into a recent article published
    by MSN and Money Talks News, titled, “Seven Things to Do ASAP When Your Spouse Wants
    a Divorce.” Together, they unpack each recommendation, offering valuable insights and
    alternative approaches based on their own expertise in legal and financial guidance through the
    divorce process.
    From understanding why hiring an attorney shouldn’t always be the first step to protecting your
    financial future with proper preparation, Karen and Catherine offer actionable advice to help you
    navigate this difficult time with confidence and clarity. They also cover essential topics like
    reviewing your credit report, managing joint accounts, keeping the divorce process amicable,
    and communicating with your children during this challenging transition.

    Topics Covered:
    ● Why hiring an attorney may not be the first step you need to take
    ● The importance of reviewing your credit report and financial accounts
    ● How to protect your savings and prevent unnecessary financial strain
    ● The power of keeping things amicable during divorce
    ● Why picking your battles is key to a smooth transition
    ● How to effectively communicate with your children about divorce
    ● The value of MDS’s Financial Portrait in preparing for divorce
    Key Takeaways:
    1. Financial Preparation: Know your assets and debts before you even think about hiring
    an attorney.
    2. Keep Things Friendly: Avoid jumping into aggressive actions like closing joint accounts
    too early.
    3. Talk to Your Children: Make sure both parents are on the same page before discussing
    the divorce with your kids.
    4. Credit Awareness: Check your credit report—don’t just rely on your credit score.
    5. Avoid Premature Negotiations: Don’t negotiate away important assets without knowing
    the full financial picture.

    Follow Us:
    ● Instagram: @mydivorcesolution
    ● Facebook: My Divorce Solution
    ● Twitter: @MyDivorceSolutn
    Disclaimer:
    The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and
    should not be considered financial or legal advice. Please consult with professionals in the
    relevant fields for personalized guidance.
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of
    Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be
    considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only.
    Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of
    work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their
    attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or
    refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from
    counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any
    statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse,
    approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization
    presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in
    any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any
    third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies
    of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND
    ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
    CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF,
    REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE
    INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at
    [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript
    email request. Thank you!
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  • In this episode of Divorce Explored, co-hosts Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew are
    joined by special guest Cherie Morris to explore the critical role of clear communication and
    documentation in the divorce process. They discuss how misinterpretations of financial
    documents can lead to costly legal disputes, unnecessary stress, and delays in negotiations.
    They dive into real-life examples where miscommunication over simple details—like a number
    or a date—can escalate into arguments that end up costing couples thousands in attorney fees.
    They’ll explain how My Divorce Solution’s approach to maintaining an organized, accessible
    portal for both parties can prevent these misunderstandings, keeping the focus on productive
    discussions.
    Watch now to gain valuable insights on how having both emotional and financial clarity helps
    you negotiate from a place of confidence and control, ultimately leading to more informed
    decisions. Whether you’re just starting the divorce process or deep in financial negotiations, this
    episode is packed with helpful advice to help you avoid common pitfalls.
    Tune in to the full episode to learn how clear communication can save you time, money, and
    stress.

    Connect with us on social media:
    FaceBook.com/MyDivorceSolution
    Instagram.com/MyDivorceSolution
    TikTok.com/@MyDivorceSolution
    youtube.com/@WeChatDivorceByMyDivorceSo3552
    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group
    at MyDivorceSolution.com
    ...........................................................
    Cherie Morris practices as a Divorce Coach and Parent Coordinator. She is trained as a lawyer,
    yoga teacher and is also an author and mother.
    Cherie’s legal training makes her approach to issues logical and reasoned. She began exploring
    alternate dispute resolution and mediation in order to understand how to change the nature of

    conflict and improve dynamics when conflict occurs, in litigation and otherwise, when a solely
    rational approach may not succeed. Her approach to conflict now is that rational thinking must
    be accompanied by the ability to empathize and compromise in order to achieve successful
    results.
    Website: https://deardivorcecoach.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deardivorcecoach/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DearDivorceCoach/
    Twitter: https://x.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2FDearDivorceTeam
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/morrischerie/
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  • We Chat Divorce by My Divorce Solution
    Episode 2 in the series: How do I prepare for divorce?
    In this episode of We Chat Divorce, Karen and Catherine break down the importance of gaining
    access to financial documents before starting the divorce process. Listen in for important tips
    like how to avoid a costly and time-consuming litigation and discovery process, by gathering
    your own financial records.
    What You'll Learn:
    ● Steps to collect joint account statements before litigation
    ● Why you should gather tax returns and year-end financials
    ● Tips on finding retirement account details that could make or break your divorce
    settlement
    Preparing for divorce doesn’t have to be overwhelming. Get the confidence and clarity you need
    by accessing your financial documents early.
    Remember: Knowledge is power. Save yourself time, stress, and money by being proactive.
    Watch, listen, and subscribe to We Chat Divorce for more expert tips!

    Connect with us on social media:
    FaceBook.com/MyDivorceSolution
    Instagram.com/MyDivorceSolution
    TikTok.com/@MyDivorceSolution
    youtube.com/@WeChatDivorceByMyDivorceSo3552
    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group
    at MyDivorceSolution.com

    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of
    Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be
    considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only.

    Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of
    work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their
    attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or
    refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from
    counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any
    statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse,
    approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization
    presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in
    any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any
    third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies
    of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND
    ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
    CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF,
    REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE
    INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at
    [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript
    email request. Thank you!
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  • In this episode, Catherine and Karen talk with Attorney Jamie Davis, a board-certified family law
    specialist, financial mediator, and certified parenting coordinator. Listen to Jamie share her
    expert insights on approaching your spouse, managing finances, handling confrontational
    behavior, and much more. By the end of this episode, we hope you will take away valuable
    insights into how to navigate divorce in a way that minimizes conflict, protects your emotional
    and financial well-being, and keeps the process amicable.

    Connect with us on social media:
    Facebook
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    TikTok
    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group
    at mydivorcesolution.com.
    Jaime Davis Is a Board Certified Specialist in Family Law, as well as a Certified Family Financial
    Mediator and Certified Parenting Coordinator. She supports all areas of family law, including
    complex equitable distribution and child custody cases, child support, post-separation support,
    alimony, alienation of affection, and criminal conversation. I also handle family law contracts
    such as Premarital, Postnuptial, and Separation and Property Settlement Agreements.
    Specialties: Child Custody (including interstate and relocation cases), Child Support, Complex
    Equitable Distribution, Post-separation Support, Alimony
    Website: https://jaimehdavis.com/
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jaimehdavisattorney/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Jaime-H-Davis-Attorney-1523601904571511/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/JaimeHDavisNC
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davisjaime/
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of
    Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be
    considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only.
    Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of
    work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their
    attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or
    refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from

    counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any
    statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse,
    approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization
    presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in
    any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any
    third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies
    of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND
    ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL,
    CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF,
    REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE
    INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at
    [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript
    email request. Thank you!
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  • As we took some time off to fully revamp our podcast, we recorded a few episodes here and there as a little treat for you before we come back in full swing!
    This short episode is all about mediation remorse and the day after.
    Now let’s get to it!
    In this episodes we discuss:

    Mediation trends

    The definition of a successful agreement

    Why some people choose mediation

    Sallies Story: A case study

    Connect with us on social media:

    Facebook

    Instagram


    Tik tok 

    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com.
    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you!


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  • In this special explainer episode of We Chat Divorce, we delve into the complex and often emotionally charged topic of financial abandonment in divorce. Breaking ties with a spouse involves more than just emotional separation; it often requires navigating a web of financial complexities. Join us as we explore the various aspects of financial abandonment, from the professionals and people you need to help you through this process, to gaining the confidence to stand up for yourself and become a force to be reckoned with. 
    Connect with us on social media: 


    Facebook 


    Instagram 


    TikTok  

    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com. 
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. 
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. 
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. 
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. 
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! 
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  • Our episode today is all about Five Ways to identify and Respond to Financial Exploitation when divorcing a narcissist –In this episode we will discuss the money habits of a narcissist so that you can be in the know and have a plan to respond, 
    with Dr.Ramani Durvasula 
      
    Dr. Ramani Durvasula is a licensed clinical psychologist in Los Angeles, CA, Professor Emerita of Psychology at California State University, Los Angeles, and the Founder and CEO of LUNA Education, Training & Consulting, a company focused on educating individuals, clinicians and businesses/institutions on the impact of narcissistic personality styles.  
      
    She is an author of multiple books including It's Not You: Identifying and Healing from Narcissistic People (February 2024), Should I Stay or Should I Go: Surviving A Relationship with a Narcissist, and "Don't You Know Who I Am?": How to Stay Sane in an Era of Narcissism, Entitlement, and Incivility and her newest book, It’s Not You: Identifying and Healing from Narcissistic People will be released in February, 2024 (Penguin Life)  
     
    Connect with us on social media: 


    Facebook 


    Instagram 


    TikTok  

    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com. 
    The WeChat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work. 
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD. 
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew. 
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST. 
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you! 
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  • You heard it here first!

    We are taking a short break from the We Chat Divorce Podcast, and coming back better than ever!

    Starting Fall 2024, our podcast will be released in seasons! Each season, we will dive even deeper into certain topics like…


    Preparing Financially for Your Divorce: Everything You Need to Know to Get Ready to GO

    Who's on Your Team: Featuring Multiple Divorce Experts

    When they Make "Ass"ets Out of Themselves: Everything Communication in the Divorce Financial Process


    And so much more…

    So get your calendars marked, get prepared to learn, and we will see you in September for the launch of Season 1 of We Chat Divorce! 


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  • Welcome back to another episode of We Chat Divorce!
    In this episode we spoke with Founder and President of Divorce Right, Vicky Townsend, about divorce in the workplace and the importance of staying focused and divorcing your spouse, not your employer. 
    We discuss topics like the steps to manage your job/career during this shift in your life, and how to effectively prepare to minimize the risks of financial and emotional damage.
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    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com.
    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • Welcome back to another episode of We Chat Divorce!

    Today, we chatted with Dawn Wiggins, a Marriage and Family Therapist, on everything from the importance of separating from your emotions to getting prepared, and developing strategies to navigate your divorce with confidence and knowledge!
     
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    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • This episode is part 2 in our new series, How to Prepare for Divorce. In this episode, our co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan chat about the importance of gathering the financial information and documentation needed to fully support your marital estate. 
    Now let’s get to it!
    In this episodes we discuss:

    Gaining access to documents

    The discovery process

    Preparation

    The documents you really need

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    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • In this episode, our co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan chat with Heather Quick, founder and CEO of Florida Women’s Law Group, about protecting your wealth in divorce, legal strategies, and having confidence and clarity in the courtroom.
    Now let’s get to it!
    In this episodes we discuss:

    Separating from your emotions

    Getting Prepared

    Developing strategies

    Retirement funds

    The details to not overlook when distributing assets in your settlement

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    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com.
    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • In this episode, our co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan chat about the importance of gathering the financial information and documentation needed to fully support your marital estate. 
    Now let’s get to it!
    In this episodes we discuss:

    Identifying and clarifying what a marital estate is

    Understanding the components of a marital estate

    Loans and debt

    Retirement funds

    The details to not overlook when distributing assets in your settlement

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    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com.
    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
    If you would like to obtain a typed transcript of this podcast episode, please email us at [email protected]. Please be sure to include the episode name in the transcript email request. Thank you!


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  • In this episode, we chat about the importance of preparing for financial discovery in divorce. This preparation is essential to achieve a fair and equitable resolution and ultimately leads to a smoother divorce process and better post-divorce financial stability. 
    Now let’s get to it!
    In this episodes we discuss:

    What discovery is in the divorce process

    How the MDS Financial Portrait is different than what your attorney will do for you in discovery

    Preparing for discovery and choosing an attorney that recognizes the benefit of an informed client and team approach

    How the MDS Financial Portrait will add value to your divorce process and save you time and money  

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    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • Welcome back to another episode of We Chat Divorce!

    In this episode, co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan speak on what the financial impact of divorce can look like for you.
    Our episode today is all about the financial impact of your decisions, while understanding the uniqueness of everyone's different situations. They dive into the topics of paying off debt, inheritance, what financial decisions not to make in your divorce, and more! 
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    Listen to more podcast episodes, read our divorce blog, and join our free divorce support group at mydivorcesolution.com.
    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • Welcome back to another episode of We Chat Divorce!

    In this episode, co-founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan, welcome Leanne Townsend, a family law attorney in Toronto.
    Our episode today is all about The struggle of dealing with a coercive spouse. We dive into the challenges of managing emotions and finances when dealing with a coercive spouse. This episode covers all things domestic violence, financial abuse, financial independence post-divorce, and more!
     
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    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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  • Welcome back to another episode of We Chat Divorce!

    In this episode Co-Founders Karen Chellew and Catherine Shanahan discuss the importance of developing a strong team of divorce professionals. Where to start, who you need, and the importance of preparation and a clear headspace before jumping into the process.This episode will give you the tips, advice, and clarity you need to confidently start your divorce process with a strong team on your side. 
     
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    The We Chat Divorce podcast (hereinafter referred to as the “WCD”) represents the opinions of Catherine Shanahan, Karen Chellew, and their guests to the show. WCD should not be considered professional or legal advice. The content here is for informational purposes only. Views and opinions expressed on WCD are our own and do not represent that of our places of work.
    WCD should not be used in any legal capacity whatsoever. Listeners should contact their attorney to obtain advice with respect to any particular legal matter. No listener should act or refrain from acting on the basis of information on WCD without first seeking legal advice from counsel in the relevant jurisdiction. No guarantee is given regarding the accuracy of any statements or opinions made on WCD.
    Unless specifically stated otherwise, Catherine Shanahan and Karen Chellew do not endorse, approve, recommend, or certify any information, product, process, service, or organization presented or mentioned on WCD, and information from this podcast should not be referenced in any way to imply such approval or endorsement. The third-party materials or content of any third-party site referenced on WCD do not necessarily reflect the opinions, standards or policies of Catherine Shanahan or Karen Chellew.
    WCD, CATHERINE SHANAHAN, AND KAREN CHELLEW EXPRESSLY DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL LIABILITY OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY INDIVIDUAL’S USE OF, REFERENCE TO, RELIANCE ON, OR INABILITY TO USE, THIS PODCAST OR THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THIS PODCAST.
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