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“Most forced stuff is good, really.” — Nea Ching
"Why Are People Into That?: A Cultural Investigation of Kink" THE BOOK IS OUT NOW wherever books are sold in hardcover, ebook, and audiobook read by me!
The episode you’re listening to now was recorded in July of 2021 at Junior High gallery in Los Angeles. It was one of the first in-person events I did after getting vaccinated. I’ve been sitting on this footage and other footage from the other live shows I’ve done over the past few years because I was honestly waiting for a special occasion. I don't think anything more special than the book release is likely to happen any time soon, so here it is!
Friend of the pod and returning guest Nea Ching aka "The Gay Chingy" and I answer audience questions like "Why Are People Into Being Hunted?!" (the greatest audience question of all time?!) and discuss an alternate dimension where Chingy is a top.
Tickets are still available to Junior High gallery on June 11th for a cabaret celebration of the book release with wine and sweets and schmoozing… and burlesque and drag performance curated by my very talented friend Spike Prince of Cats.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/into-that-the-experience-tickets-894067258237?aff=oddtdtcreator
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"Why Are People Into That?: A Cultural Investigation of Kink" THE BOOK IS OUT TODAY June 4th, 2024. Happy birthday baby!
The episode you’re listening to now was recorded in July of 2021 at Junior High gallery in Los Angeles. It was one of the first in-person events I did after getting vaccinated. I’ve been sitting on this footage and other footage from the other live shows I’ve done over the past few years because I was honestly waiting for a special occasion. I don't think anything more special than the book release is likely to happen any time soon, so here it is!
Friend of the pod and returning guest Nea Ching aka "The Gay Chingy" is so fucking funny, at one point she literally says, "I’m a hole not an engineer!" This episode was actually really a treat for me to return to and edit. The audience was super cute as my audiences tend to be. I hope you laugh and get turned on listening as much as I did making it. We talk about how fucking machines are objects that objectify you, about breeding with ovipositor dildos, about artisinal poppers that make you feel the way you do when you have a really big crush on someone, and how during the pandemic we missed strangers spitting in our mouths.
Real quick I just want to tell you that if listening to this makes you wish you could attend YAPIT live, you’re gonna wanna come back to the Junior High gallery on June 11th for a cabaret celebration of the book release with wine and sweets and schmoozing… and burlesque and drag performance curated by my very talented friend Spike Prince of Cats.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/into-that-the-experience-tickets-894067258237?aff=oddtdtcreator
The best way to get tickets to that show, and also find out about my book tour and educatrix workshops, and my new detective comic Deprog, is to subscribe to my newsletter at Tina Horn dot net, and follow me where I’m most active at tinahornsass on Instagram.
Alright, grab a folding chair and get ready to be bred by YAPIT Live a flashback from summer 2021 with Chingy Nea. This is part one! and part two with all of our discussions of audience questions will be out soon, so stay subscribed.
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Welcome back to the first new feed drop in three years. I appreciate that you’re still subscribed, and I hope this was a nice treat in your podcast updates today. People tell me all the time they still listen to back episodes. I’m so grateful for that, and for all the listener support over the years. The major reason I haven’t been actively doing the show is that I got a major book deal to write Why Are People Into That A Cultural Investigation of Kink. It’s been a long process – sometimes arduous, sometimes glorious, and now the book is about to be unleashed upon the world, that’s you! That pub day is June 4th, 2024.
Why Are People Into That A Cultural Investigation of Kink isn’t an adaptation or like novelization of the pod so much as a book based on the same premise that this podcast is based on: a queer as fuck, whore-centric, slut positive, pervert celebrating deep dives into fetish sex. Which is to say, if you’ve enjoyed listening, you’re gonna enjoy reading.
And You, dear listener, can get yourself a hardcover copy wherever books are sold (I recommend your local indie shop, but yes it’s available through the behemoths too). You can get an ebook wherever digital books are sold, or the audiobook, read by me.
And speaking of the audiobook, the reason for this feed drop is not exactly a new episode, but a preview of the audiobook to thank you for being a loyal podcast subscriber. Specifically it’s Chapter 4 which is all about Fisting… shockingly a topic I’ve never featured on the show despite it being one of my favorite things to do and talk about. This chapter discusses lube, g spots, p spots, Gayle Rubin’s Catacombs A Temple of the Butthole, Adam Zmith’s book on poppers Deep Sniff, Bini Adamczak's On Circlusion translated by Sophie Lewis, Mira Bellweather’s zine Fucking Trans Women, some personal fisting stories, and much much more.
Preorders are important! If you’re listening to this before June 4th, it would mean so much to me and the countercultures celebrated in this book if you would preorder in any format from any retailer. And I’m offering a special incentive for people who preorder. All you have to do is go to the link in my Instagram bio and upload your proof of preorder purchase to access another special episode of the podcast, this one with an actual special mystery guest! It’s more intimate than any episode I’ve done before and you can ONLY hear it if you preorder the book. If you’ve missed that, you can still buy the book wherever books are sold, and that really means a lot to me too.
So now… get engorged. Do your carpal tunnel stretches. And I hope you enjoy this preview of Why Are People Into That A Cultural Investigation of Kink. I hope you grab a copy, I hope to see you on book tour. Here we go…
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Yin Q, writer of the piece "We All Deserve To Heal" from We Too, discusses Spike Lee, Body of Workers, Kink Out Spaces at MOMA PS1, disassociation, complicity, power play, control, and forgiveness. // Yin Q is a mother, kink educator, writer, and activist based in New York City. Their media work includes Mercy Mistress, a web pilot, and Fly in Power, a short documentary. They founded a production team called Kink Out and organize with Red Canary Song, an APIA and Asian migrant sex and massage worker collective. Yin has been recognized by Spike Lee as an impact activist in his tribute to Jackie Robinson.// ABOUT WE TOO: This collection of narrative essays by sex workers presents a crystal-clear rejoinder: there’s never been a better time to fight for justice. Responding to the resurgence of the #MeToo movement in 2017, sex workers from across the industry—hookers and prostitutes, strippers and dancers, porn stars, cam models, Dommes and subs alike—complicate narratives of sexual harassment and violence, and expand conversations often limited to normative workplaces.
Writing across topics such as homelessness, motherhood, and toxic masculinity, We Too: Essays on Sex Work and Survival gives voice to the fight for agency and accountability across sex industries. With contributions by leading voices in the movement such as Melissa Gira Grant, Ceyenne Doroshow, Audacia Ray, femi babylon, April Flores, and Yin Q, this anthology explores sex work as work, and sex workers as laboring subjects in need of respect—not rescue.
A portion of this book's net proceeds will be donated to SWOP Behind Bars (SBB).
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“They have no stakes. We have all of the stakes.”
In the latest episode of my special series on WE TOO: Essays on Sex Work and Survival, I interviewed Selena the Stripper, who wrote the book's introduction.
Discussed: FKA Twigs' pole dance appropriation; who gets to use the word Heaux: sugar dating; the status value of a Birkin bag; Strippers United //
Selena The Stripper is a sex worker, writer, podcaster, and community organizer. After graduating from MICA in 2015, fae felt out of place in the elitist world of institutional art. Through stripping fae found financial stability and a community of incredibly strong, radically free thinking artists. Faer Instagram (@prettyboygirl) highlights faer writing and photography, but weekly exclusive content can be found on Patreon (@therealprettyboygirl). Fae is a resident author with Berlinable, a Berlin-based erotica publication. Faer podcast, Heaux in the Kneaux, is available on all platforms. //
ABOUT WE TOO
This collection of narrative essays by sex workers presents a crystal-clear rejoinder: there’s never been a better time to fight for justice. Responding to the resurgence of the #MeToo movement in 2017, sex workers from across the industry—hookers and prostitutes, strippers and dancers, porn stars, cam models, Dommes and subs alike—complicate narratives of sexual harassment and violence, and expand conversations often limited to normative workplaces.
Writing across topics such as homelessness, motherhood, and toxic masculinity, We Too: Essays on Sex Work and Survival gives voice to the fight for agency and accountability across sex industries. With contributions by leading voices in the movement such as Melissa Gira Grant, Ceyenne Doroshow, Audacia Ray, femi babylon, April Flores, and Yin Q, this anthology explores sex work as work, and sex workers as laboring subjects in need of respect—not rescue.
A portion of this book's net proceeds will be donated to SWOP Behind Bars (SBB)
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For the first episode of a special series celebrating the release of We Too: Essays on Sex Work and Survival, I chatted with the book's editor Natalie West. (I associate edited and contributed to the anthology!) //
"You have to be ok with ambiguity to grapple with what the book presents and what sex work is."//
Natalie reflects on her choice to market herself as the Lesbian Dominatrix of Los Angeles. Then we get into the long history of how we came to co-edit this anthology of sex workers responding to the Me Too movement. Stay tuned for more episodes featuring other contributors to the book. And snag your copy, out 2.9.21 from Feminist Press! //
Natalie West is a Los Angeles based writer and educator. She worked as a professional Dominatrix while obtaining her PhD in Gender Studies. These days, she is a professor who moonlights as a sex work, BDSM, and queer community authenticity consultant for film and television. //
We Too is a collection of narrative essays by sex workers presents a crystal-clear rejoinder: there’s never been a better time to fight for justice. Responding to the resurgence of the #MeToo movement in 2017, sex workers from across the industry—hookers and prostitutes, strippers and dancers, porn stars, cam models, Dommes and subs alike—complicate narratives of sexual harassment and violence, and expand conversations often limited to normative workplaces.
Writing across topics such as homelessness, motherhood, and toxic masculinity, We Too: Essays on Sex Work and Survival gives voice to the fight for agency and accountability across sex industries. With contributions by leading voices in the movement such as Melissa Gira Grant, Ceyenne Doroshow, Audacia Ray, femi babylon, April Flores, and Yin Q, this anthology explores sex work as work, and sex workers as laboring subjects in need of respect—not rescue.
A portion of this book's net proceeds will be donated to SWOP Behind Bars (SBB).
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Hey YAPIT fans! I'm focusing my energy on SfSx Volume 2, the hustle, and work/life balance in these turbulent times. Listen for a few words on my hiatus, and what to expect in 2021. xoxoxo TH
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“No amount of assimilation or pride has shaken this sense of myself as an inverted dark predatory lesbian.” //
Certified lesbian vampire Annie Rose Malamet joins me to explain the appeal of darkness, finesse, predation, the night, immortal codependency, two little wounds in the neck, ejaculating blood, obsession, morbidity, the shadow self, and performance; with nods to Octavia Butler, Anne Rice, Countess Elizabeth Báthory, Phantom of the motherfuckin Opera, Xenomorphs, Ovi positors, slutty Halloween werewolves, tentacles, and evil computers. //
Annie Rose Malamet is a writer, teaching artist, and podcast producer. As the creator of the podcast "Girls, Guts, & Giallo," she examines subversive and controversial films from a femme leather dyke perspective. In her writing, she blends personal narrative and film theory.
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"How can brands do more for social justice movements? Give people pleasure! Give people a reason to have a wet a$s p#ssy! Uplifting difficult conversations about Black Lives Matter: that’s what makes p#ssy wet! Loving relationships and care starts with pleasure and understanding your needs. And guess what? Social and political justice are needs like orgasms are needs.” — SX Noir /
Who better than thot leader SX Noir to weave together BLM, COVID, and pleasure principles? In this special episode, sponsored by LELO, SX and Tina explore: privacy and persona in digital space, the Black Sex Worker Liberation March, mutual aid, sex tech, remote control vibrators, why we need to stop and erotically appreciate the flowers, the importance of masturbation during quarantine, and W.A.P. /
Don’t forget! You can get 15% off your self-love routine with the code SEXTECH on https://lelo.to/WhyArePeopleIntoThat . This applies to every pleasure product on the site (except for already discounted products). Offer valid now through Dec 31, 2020
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“Kink is an arena where I find tidiness.” //
In Part 2 of my talk with Juno Mac, co-author of Revolting Prostitutes, we discuss: great books about sex work, rational thoughts in an irrational world, whether there's such a thing as the sex worker gaze, what the Hustlers of prostitution will look like, why it’s imperative that sex work activism centers mutual aid and the experience of migrants, and how Juno is trying not to be the movement’s mother so she can be a @FeralMommy in her personal life. //
“Our fangs are so fucking sharp." //
Juno Mac is a professional leg spreader and opinion haver; a sex worker, activist, author, and photographer based in London, UK. She is an organizer with Sex Workers’ Advocacy and Resistance Movement, a collective of sex workers based in different cities around the UK. She is one of the co-authors of the book Revolution Prostitutes: The Fight For Sex Workers’ Rights released in 2018, and is currently working on a part documentary/part memoir photographic project about the intimate spaces in sex working lives. Her 2016 TED Talk is called: The laws that sex workers really want.
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“Is it ok for 'Juno Mac' to be an anxious hooker and an advocate for sex worker rights? Am I allowed to be a messy, complicated person?” //
The co-author of the indispensable book Revolting Prostitutes join me over the phone from her quarantine in England to discuss: the unfair pressure of compartmentalizing our own sex lives and whoreientations, why doing sex work digitally feels like Buffy losing her super-strength and not being able to open a jar of pickles, dinner party Decrim talking points, and “calling in” the analogy "sex is to rape as sex work is to trafficking." //
Juno Mac is a professional leg spreader and opinion haver; a sex worker, activist, author, and photographer based in London, UK. She is an organizer with Sex Workers’ Advocacy and Resistance Movement, a collective of sex workers based in different cities around the UK. She is one of the co-authors of the book Revolution Prostitutes: The Fight For Sex Workers’ Rights released in 2018, and is currently working on a part documentary/part memoir photographic project about the intimate spaces in sex working lives. Her 2016 TED Talk is called: The laws that sex workers really want.
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“The push and pull between clarity and imagination is something I think about a lot in visual storytelling.” //
I called up SfSx series artist Jen Hickman to celebrate the release of our SfSx: Volume 1: Protection trade paperback on July 22nd!
Jen and I discuss our collaborative process, and Jen gives some insight into how they think about formatting sequential art, color as music, and an art school game that’s like exquisite corpse but with dicks. We also touch on Jen’s talent for “character acting” and one of my favorite examples of this from SfSx, how they made an air duct scene sex charged and hilarious, the role of time in comics especially smutty comics, and what kind of sex robot we'd want to fuck. // Jen Hickman is a visual storyteller and a graduate of the Savannah College of Art and Design's Sequential Art program. Past work includes TEST, Moth & Whisper, Jem and the Holograms, the Femme Magnifique anthology, and more. They get really excited about dystopian fiction, good coffee, and drawing hands.
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“The funny thing about Crash Pad is: you know that I know that you know that I know that there’s cameras in there." //
In Part 2 of my interview with Shine, we focus in on Why Are People Into Voyeurism. //
Shine tells a legendary tale of how seeing herself in the mirrors at the Lusty Lady inspired Crash Pad Series. We discuss how the voyeurism themes of CPS means she’s both removed her queer woman of color gaze and inserted that gaze into every single scene; how CPS has changed over 15 years of queer p*rn production; why you should pay for your porn; why asking first is necessary. We also explore: Why is voyeurism considered so creepy? Is the voyeur a top? When is looking like touching? There's also some nerdy camera talk and Shine's conspiracy theory about P*rn Hub. //
Shine Louise Houston is the founding producer and director of Pink and White Productions (CrashPadSeries.com, PinkLabel.tv). During a five-year position at the women-owned sx toy purveyor Good Vibrations, Shine recognized an underserved demand for an alternative to mainstream p*rnography. In 2005, she quit her day job to form a p*rn company, kickstarting a renaissance in queer-made p*rn. A graduate from the San Francisco Arts Institute with a Bachelors in Fine Art Film, Shine has always had a unique vision for adult cinema. Her work has been recognized for its craft and cultural contribution to LGBTQ communities around the world.
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On May 11th, I recorded an episode remotely with Shine, about 15 years of Crash Pad Series, and a second part about voyeurism. On June 24th, I called her back to get her perspective on the Movement for Black Lives. This is part one, including our talks about BLM and CPS. Voyeurism coming soon. //
“If you tell professionals what to do they won’t riff. If you tell amateurs what to do they ignore you. What I found was that the more I took myself out, the more organic the scene could be… The only thing I needed to control was the cameras…” //
In which I call Crash Pad Series the Law and Order of Queer P*rn, Shine explains the origin story of the CPS themes and production values, and her take on the narratives of a sex scene. //
Shine Louise Houston is the founding producer and director of Pink and White Productions (CrashPadSeries.com, PinkLabel.tv). During a five-year position at the women-owned sx toy purveyor Good Vibrations, Shine recognized an underserved demand for an alternative to mainstream p*rnography. In 2005, she quit her day job to form a p*rn company, kickstarting a renaissance in queer-made p*rn. A graduate from the San Francisco Arts Institute with a Bachelors in Fine Art Film, Shine has always had a unique vision for adult cinema. Her work has been recognized for its craft and cultural contribution to LGBTQ communities around the world.
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What is the Whorearchy? How can understanding it help us to combat whorephobia? This portmanteau meaning Whore-Hierarchy is a term originating from and used within the sex worker rights movement describing social stratification within the industry. In honor of International Whores Day on June 2nd, here's my lecture from a 10.26.17 Stigma Unbound event at Catland Books in Brooklyn. Check out patreon.com/TinaHorn for a video and my slideshow from the lecture.
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“There’s a part of me that’s going to enact a sadism on you from the inside.” //
It’s YAPIT: COVID-19 Lightning Round Edition, recorded live on Instagram May 2nd 2020. //
In which I really try my best to game-ify YAPIT even though I don’t have a game brain and cannot follow my own rules. //
We cover: masks, medical fetishism, nano-objects, virtual reality, bug-chasing, spit, and breath play. //
Death ethics, Zoom fart trolls, Thomas the Tank Engine lead recalls, how the crisis will change porn, the question “if you had a clone how would you fuck it?”, ovipositors, and sourdough starters also come up because how could they not? //
“You’re a femme fatale, the fluids from your body have the power to destroy me.” //
Empress Wu is an NYC-based dominatrix and cultural activist, primarily operating via performance, curation, writing, and production to explore the semiotics of sex work, and its effect on the body politic. In her spare time, she can be found loudly preaching conspiracy theories about slime videos.
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"That’s the sex appeal of fascism: the desire to be violated. To be cut through like butter and spread... Fascism is sexy because it’s dangerous, confident, and... leather! It’s scary and comforting at the same time, because you don’t have to make any decisions. We’re afraid of it because our power is taken away, and we want it because we want our power to be taken away." //
CW: two Jewish anti-fascist leftist queers in Brooklyn talking about the history, aesthetics, and complicated erotic allegories of fascism.
In Part Two: The empty symbolism of punk / Derek Jarman’s Jubilee, / Adam Ant’s "Deutscher Girls" / Are people jerking off to Mel Brook’s "Hitler Rap"? / Are gay skinheads fascist? / Yukio Mishima / Forced breeding and medical experiments / Adrienne Rich’s response to Susan Sontag’s NYRB essay / Slave Play //
"Unless you contend with desire, you’re never gonna get anywhere.” //
JB Brager is a writer and cartoonist living in Brooklyn NY, Lenape-ho-king. They are a founding editor of Pinko Magazine and founding host of the Bluestockings bookstore comics reading series In The Gutter. They hold a PhD in Women’s & Gender Studies from Rutgers University New Brunswick. They are on all social media as well as Patreon at @jbbrager
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“What does our desire endorse?” //
Content Warning: This episode features two Jewish leftist queers in Brooklyn talking about the history, aesthetics, and complicated erotic allegories of fascism. Some graphic references to torture from fictional films including Salò and The Night Porter. //
In the first YAPIT recorded during the COVID-19 quarantine, JB Brager joins me remotely from their home to discuss the spectacle of fascism. Discussed: shiny shiny shiny boots of leather, Nazisploitation, the fashion inspirations of Night Porter, why Salò isn’t actually a BDSM film but could spark scene material, Cate Blanchett's Soviet jodhpurs, why the Borg don't understand dating, the gender politics of Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS, and this entire fucking 1975 Sontag quote: “Fascist aesthetics… flow from (and justify) a preoccupation with situations of control, submissive behavior, extravagant effort, and the endurance of pain... They endorse two seemingly opposite states, egomania and servitude. The relations of domination and enslavement take the form of a characteristic pageantry: the massing of groups of people; the turning of people into things; the multiplication or replication of things; and the groupings of people/ things around an all-powerful, hypnotic leader-figure or force... Fascist art glorifies surrender, it exalts mindlessness, it glamorizes death. Never before was the relation of masters and slaves so consciously aestheticized... Now there is a master scenario available to everyone. The color is black, the material is leather, the seduction is beauty, the justification is honesty, the aim is ecstasy, the fantasy is death.” //
JB Brager is a writer and cartoonist living in Brooklyn NY, Lenape-ho-king. They are a founding editor of Pinko Magazine and founding host of the Bluestockings bookstore comics reading series In The Gutter. They hold a PhD in Women’s & Gender Studies from Rutgers University New Brunswick. They are on all social media as well as Patreon at @jbbrager
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“I really like people to cry at my titty show!” //
In part 2, Fancy and I get to the bottom of that age old debate: is burlesque stripping? Fancy recounts the plastic bag routine that won her Miss Coney Island 2016, as well as some of her favorite acts by Tiger Bay, Julie Atlas Muz & Mat Fraser, and Darlinda Just Darlinda (including an apocalyptic one that’s almost too prescient...) //
Fancy Feast is a burlesque performer, sex educator, and writer. She holds the title of Miss Coney Island 2016 and is the recipient of the Revolutionary Award at the 2017 New York Burlesque Festival. She is a 2018 New Jewish Culture fellow. She has performed nationwide at venues including the Whitney, the Brooklyn Museum, the Metropolitan Opera, and the Burlesque Hall of Fame in Las Vegas. She is the subject of the 2016 documentary “Fancy Feast: the Fat Burlesque Performer”, by Leon Chase.
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“I don’t experience my naked body as inherently erotic. It’s my body, and I like it. It has so much more to do for me with the glamour and the transgression. That’s the part where I’m comfortable and excited. Burlesque was the first time I ever saw an exalted fat body.”
Fancy Feast joins me for a talk about the art of burlesque. But first we discuss her Jewish Currents piece about identity fetishism and what kind of Jewish-themed porn she would make. Her act called 50 Shades of Oy Vey is a great segue into a discussion of the money she’s put into big rhinestone, why she’s not body positive, and whether good girls can do burlesque. Pt 2 coming soon! //
Fancy Feast is a burlesque performer, sex educator, and writer. She holds the title of Miss Coney Island 2016 and is the recipient of the Revolutionary Award at the 2017 New York Burlesque Festival. She is a 2018 New Jewish Culture fellow. She has performed nationwide at venues including the Whitney, the Brooklyn Museum, the Metropolitan Opera, and the Burlesque Hall of Fame in Las Vegas. She is the subject of the 2016 documentary “Fancy Feast: the Fat Burlesque Performer”, by Leon Chase.
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