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Chefs on Seafood, Changing Menus & Trust - A Special Report from Seafood Expo North America 2018
This is a special episode of Beyond Data reporting on the 2018 Seafood Expo North America. In this episode, we focus on chefs as change agents in the seafood industry. Forward-thinking chefs who are thought leaders in the seafood space, are always trying to figure out how to create demand for lesser-known species that are both delicious and seasonably abundant. Can these chefs drive industry change, and if so, how? Chef Evan Mallett moderates a panel on this topic with top New England chefs and a supplier.
Panal Participants
Evan Mallett, Black Trumpet and Ondine Oyster & Wine Bar
Jeremy Sewall, Island Creek Oyster Bar and Row 34
Derek Wagner, Nicks on Broadway
Jared Auerbach, Red's Best
Justin Boevers, Fish Choice
Part I [00:00] Intro
Seafood Expo North America
Part II [02:15] The Discussion
Top Seafood Species
FishPeople Seafood
"What about the 'S' Word?" by Ret Talbot
This was a 75-minute panel discussion, so today's 20-minute episode is just a small slice of what was discussed. Stay tuned for more from this session in future episodes.
Thanks
Thanks to the Seafood Expo North America and everyone who attended the event this year. Music this episode by Andy Cohen and sound effects by lonemonk at freesound.org. Cheers as always to Clay Gloves at the Fish Nerds Podcast for doing all you do.
If you’d like to ask a question or make a comment about today’s show, call into the Beyond Data voicemail line at 207-370-1575 and leave a message. You can also join the conversation at Facebook.com/BeyondDataPodcast or on Twitter at @RetTalbot.
Beyond Data is reported, narrated and produced by me, Ret Talbot, in Rockland, Maine. If you enjoyed today’s podcast, please tell a friend about it, and consider subscribing on Apple Podcasts where you can also help out the show by rating it and giving us a review. That really does make a difference.
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Resiliency in the Lobster Fishery, Mistaken Case of Science vs. Fishing Industry & Right Whale Entanglements
This is a special episode of Beyond Data reporting on the 2018 Maine Fishermen's Forum. In this episode, we hear from Maine Department of Marine Resources (DMR) Commissioner Patrick Keliher on resiliency in the State's most valuable fishery. We also explore a case of mistaken science versus fishing industry, and we touch on the single biggest issue facing Maine's working waterfronts over the next few years: right whale entanglements.
Part I [00:00] Intro
Voices from the Maine Fishermen's Forum
Overview of the Podcast (for new listeners)
Maine Fishermen's Forum
Seafood Expo North America
PART II [00:03:00] The Forum
Overview of Maine Fishermen's Forum
Gerry Cushman, Fisherman from Port Clyde, Maine
PART III [00:06:04] A Pretty Good Place - Lobster Stock Resiliency
DMR Commissioner Patrick Keliher Putting 2017 Lobster Landings into Context
2017 Lobster Landings & Value (DMR Reporting)
110,819,760 Pounds of Lobster Landed
2017 Lobster Landings Valued at $433,789,855
Bangor Daily News Article
Portland Press Herald Article
Seafood News Article
Ellsworth American Article
Ellsworth American Article
Gulf of Maine Research Institute (GMRI)
"GMRI Paper" "Climate vulnerability and resilience in the most valuable North American fishery"
Kathleen Reardon, DMR
DMR Lobster Surveys
Lobster Settlement Surveys
Robert Russell, DMR
Fewer Lobsters; not Less Lobsters (Sorry!)
Maine Lobster Fishery Management
V-Notching
Dr. Andrew Pershing, GMRI
PART IV [00:21:10] Mistaken Case of Science Vs. Fishing Industry
Captain John Peabody
Commercial Fisheries Research Foundation (CFRF)
Norbert Stamps, Atlantic Offshore Lobstermen's Association
PART V [00:27:00] Right Whale Entanglements
Dr. Mark Baumgartner, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute
Amy Knowlton, New England Aquarium
Endangered Species Act
Marine Mammal Protection Act
Want to weigh in on the issue of right whale entanglements for episode of 8 of the Beyond Data Podcast scheduled for June 2018? Leave a message at 207-370-1575.
Thanks
Thanks to the Maine Fishermen's Forum and everyone who attended. Music this episode by Andy Cohen. Cheers to Clay Gloves at the Fish Nerds Podcast for doing all you do.
If you’d like to ask a question or make a comment about today’s show, call into the Beyond Data voicemail line at 207-370-1575 and leave a message. You can also join the conversation at Facebook.com/BeyondDataPodcast or on Twitter at @RetTalbot.
Beyond Data is reported, narrated and produced by me, Ret Talbot, in Rockland, Maine. If you enjoyed today’s podcast, please tell a friend about it, and consider subscribing on Apple Podcasts where you can also help out the show by rating it and giving us a review. That really does make a difference.
Thanks!
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Episode 3 - Beloved Invader
The non-native brown trout, which the data show places a burden on imperiled native fishes, is revered in the United States, while other non-natives are demonized. In the next episode of the Beyond Data Podcast, we take a deep dive into the interplay between non-native and native fishes--especially salmonids. We'll look at how our perceptions toward introduced species are shaped, and we'll ask the question of whether or not there is a place for non-native species in ecosystems we consider healthy.
Guests
(in order of appearance)
Dr. Julie Lockwood, Professor in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Natural Resources at Rutgers University
Dr. David West, Science Advisor, Freshwater at New Zealand Department of Conservation
Kirk Deeter, Vice President of Trout Media at Trout Unlimited
Kim Todd, Sparrow Author of Tinkering with Eden and Sparrow
Dr. Nathaniel Hitt, Research Fish Biologist at USGS Leetown Science Center
Michael Steinberg, Author of Forthcoming A Brook Trout Pilgrimage and Associate Professor at The University of Alabama
Francis Brautigam, Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife
Catherine Schmitt, Author of The President's Salmon and Communications Director at Maine Sea Grant
Derek Young, Professional Fly Fishing Guide, Owner of Emerging Rivers Guide Services and Founder of Headwaters Matter
Links
PART I [00:00] Non-Native Cover Fish
Trout Unlimited's Trout Magazine
PART II [4:00] Nuanced Definition
Dr. Julie Lockwood's Invasion Ecology, 2nd Edition
"Conserving Honey Bees Does Not Help Wildlife" in Science, January 2018
"How Invasive Feral Pigs Impact the Hawaiian Islands" from Island Conservation
"Why are lionfish a growing problem in the Atlantic Ocean?" from NOAA Ocean Facts
PART III [7:50] Earth's Virgin Utopia
Silver Pine Lodge
New Zealand Department of Conservation
"Rotenone treatment has a short-term effect on New Zealand stream macroinvertebrate communities" in New Zealand Journal of Marine and Freshwater Research
"Reintroduction of a native galaxiid (galaxias fasciatus) following piscicide treatment in two streams: response and recovery of the fish population" from Ecology of Freshwater Fish
Zealandia Sanctuary
Galaxiid Conservation Status
"Silently Spreading Death" from Fish & Game New Zealand is linked as a PDF
PART IV [21:55] The Brown Trout Comes to America
"Tinkering with Eden" by Kim Todd
PART V [27:00] What the Data Show
"USGS Study Reveals Interactive Effects of Climate Change, Invasive Species on Native Fish"
"Brook trout use of thermal refugia and foraging habitat influenced by brown trout" in Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences
Fausch's "Competition Between Brook Trout (Salvelinus fontinalis) and Brown Trout (Salmo trutta) for Positions in a Michigan Stream" in Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences
"Temperature‐dependent shifts in phenology contribute to the success of exotic species with climate change" in the American Journal of Botany
"How Climate Change is Helping Invasive Species Take Over" in Smithsonian Magazine
PART VI [31:50] Maine's Embattled Coldwater Fishes
Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife
IFW Angler Survey
PART VII [42:45] Immigrant Fish & Dark Rhetoric
"Why Do I Love Brown Trout So Much?" by Kirk Deeter
David Theodoropoulos on Invasion Biology at the Public Interest Environmental Law Conference
"What is the Brown Tree Snake" from USGS FAQs
"Conserving Honey Bees Does Not Help Wildlife" in Science, January 2018
"Why are lionfish a growing problem in the Atlantic Ocean?" from NOAA Ocean Facts
PART VIII [50:05] Angler Evolution & A Conservation Ethic
The President's Salmon
Penobscot River Restoration Project
Trout Unlimited
Native Fish Coalition
Eastern Brook Trout Joint Venture
Western Native Trout Initiative
American Sportfishing Association
Headwaters Matter
Thanks
In addition to my guests today, special thanks to Loren McClenachan of Colby College and Molly Payne Wynne from The Nature Conservancy. Music by Andy Cohen and Fabrika Music at HookSounds. Sound effects by acclivity at freesound.org. A big shout out to Jess from the Murder Road Trip Podcast for New Zealand voice talent. Cheers to Clay Gloves at the Fish Nerds Podcast for doing all you do.
If you’d like to ask a question or make a comment about today’s show, call into the Beyond Data voicemail line at 207-370-1575 and leave a message. We’ll do our best to respond in the next Follow-Up Friday episode, and you’ll also be entered for a chance to win an Angler’s Pint of your choice! Learn more at Facebook.com/BeyondDataPodcast.
Beyond Data is reported, narrated and produced by me, Ret Talbot, in Rockland, Maine. If you enjoyed today’s podcast, please tell a friend about it, and consider subscribing on Apple Podcasts where you can also help out the show by rating it and giving us a review. That really does make a difference.
Thanks!
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Episode 3 Teaser - Native vs. Non-Native Fishes
The non-native brown trout, which the data show places a burden on imperiled native fishes, is revered in the United States, while other non-natives are demonized. In the next episode of the Beyond Data Podcast, we take a deep dive into the interplay between non-native and native fishes--especially salmonids. We'll look at how our perceptions toward introduced species are shaped, and we'll ask the question of whether or not there is a place for non-native species in ecosystems we consider healthy.
Voices from This Teaser
(in order of appearance)
"Invasive Species Spreading Across America" CBS's Mark Strassmann reports
David Theodoropoulos, author of Invasion Biology: Critique of a Pseudoscience
Professor Daniel Simberloff, Professor of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville
Kirk Deeter, Vice President of Trout Media at Trout Unlimited
Michael Steinberg, Associate Professor, New College and Geography at The University of Alabama and author of a forthcoming book on brook trout
Catherine Schmitt, Author of The President's Salmon and Communications Director at Maine Sea Grant at the University of Maine
Julie Lockwood, Professor in the Department of Ecology, Evolution and Natural Resources at Rutgers University
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Episode 2 - Meal Kits and Sustainable Seafood
Meal kit delivery services like Blue Apron and Sun Basket are uniquely positioned to radically change Americans’ relationship to seafood. These services remove many of the barriers to cooking fish at home by providing step-by-step directions and precisely measured ingredients—ingredients they frequently claim are sustainable. But are there data to support those sustainability claims when it comes to seafood? In this episode of Beyond Data, my guests and I take a deep dive into meal kit delivery services and sustainable seafood.
Guests
(in order of appearance)
Ken Plasse, CEO of FishPeople Seafood
Michael Tlusty, Associate Professor, Sustainability and Food Solutions, School for the Environment at University of Massachusetts at Boston
Monica Jain, Executive Director of Fish 2.0
Karen Talbot, Scientific Illustrator
Max Miller, Chef at The Landings Restaurant
Gavin Gibbon, VP Communications at National Fisheries Institute
Tim Fitzgerald, Director of Impact Division of Environmental Defense Fund's Fishery Solutions Center
Ryan Bigelow, Program Engagement Manager at Seafood Watch
Justine Kelly, Co-Founder and Executive Chef at Sun Basket
Links
PART 1 [00:00]
Blue Apron
FishPeople Seafood
FishPeople Pacific Cod Traceability Page
Marine Stewardship Council
Monterey Bay Aquarium Seafood Watch
NOAA Office of Science and Technology
Chef Rick Moonen on ShareCare
Seafood Expo North America
Sun Basket
Fish 2.0
PART II [11:36]
University of Massachusetts at Boston School for the Environment
New England Aquarium
PART III [20:21]
Karen Talbot Art
Meal Kits and Waste
Anchored Inn
Australis
Barramundi - Truly a Better Fish
Celebrating Previously Frozen Farmed Fish
PART IV [30:35]
The Landings Restaurant
Chef Massimo Bottura on Why the Future of Food is in Our Trash
Max Cooks an Oyster Toadfish [begins ~13:49 in EP1]
PART V [41:47]
National Fisheries Institute
GSSI
Environmental Defense Fund - Tim Fitzgerald
Seafood Watch - Ryan Bigelow
Seafood Watch Partners
Sun Basket - Chef Justine Kelly
Tennessee State University Study
Oceana Seafood Fraud Report
Images from This Week's Episode
Chef Max Miller Getting Ready to Cook the Blue Apron Barramundi
The FishPeople Branded Pacific Cod that Arrived in the Sun Basket Meal Kit with a Traceability Code
The Farmed Australis Barramundi that Arrived in Our Blue Apron Kit and Labeled under the Anchored Inn Brand (Anchored Inn is a trademark of Blue Apron)
Labeling on the Back of the Farmed Barramundi Package from Blue Apron
Blue Apron Includes the Seafood Watch Wordmark on Its Seafood Packaging
Tennessee State University Study Results on Mislabeling of Seafood Products Purchased Online
Thanks
Dr. Sandria Godwin R.D., LDN Professor of Food Safety and Nutrition Department of Human Sciences College of Agriculture at Tennessee State University
Vanessa Miller
SpliceSound for the Sad Trumpet
Clay Groves, The Fish Nerds Podcast
The Angler's Pint
Music: "Xi" by Andy G. Cohen
If you’d like to ask a question or make a comment about today’s show, email me at [email protected], leave a voicemail at 207-370-1575, send a Tweet to @rettalbot, or comment on the show’s Facebook page, which is Facebook.com/beyonddatapodcast. We’ll follow-up on your comments and questions in next Friday’s Follow-Up Friday podcast. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please consider subscribing on iTunes, where you can also rate the podcast and post a review—that really does make a difference.
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The second episode of the Beyond Data Podcast airing later this month takes a deep dive into meal kit delivery services and how they are shaping the sustainable seafood space.
The data show that eating more seafood is good for you, especially when cooked at home, but Americans often hesitate to buy it outside of a restaurant setting. In part, that’s because cooking fish at home can be daunting, but there are also plenty of other reasons why people may avoid the seafood counter.
A growing number of Americans want to know where their food originates for reasons ranging from health to socio-economic and environmental sustainability. When it comes to seafood, a lack of transparency makes it difficult to source seafood with confidence.
Meal kit delivery services like Blue Apron, Hello Fresh and Sun Basket are uniquely positioned to radically change Americans’ relationship to seafood. These services remove many of the barriers to cooking fish at home by providing step-by-step directions and precisely measured ingredients—ingredients that they frequently claim are sustainable.
The leading meal kit delivery services talk a lot about how they are reinventing what they see as a broken food system in America. In the case of seafood, they frequently talk about how the meal kit can connect consumers with domestic, sustainably harvested and farmed fish and shellfish, which is a big deal considering that upwards of 90% of the seafood Americans consume is imported from countries lacking both the sustainability and food safety regulations to which US fisheries and farms adhere.
While this certainly sounds good on the surface, some industry observers wonder if it’s too good to be true, especially given the competitive nature of the space and some of the challenges meal kit delivery services are encountering. Are there data to back-up the sustainability claims made by these companies—claims that are often front and center in marketing materials aimed at sustainably-minded consumers, who increasingly make up a larger percentage of their target audience? What does it mean when Blue Apron claims “100% sustainable seafood” or when Hello Fresh uses the word “sustainable” more than 600 times on its website?
I’m Ret Talbot, inviting you to join my guests and me when we go beyond the data and take a deep dive into meal kit delivery services and sustainable seafood in the next episode of the Beyond Data Podcast coming this Thursday to Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I hope you’ll join us, and, if you missed Episode 1 on New York’s oyster toadfish fishery, this would be a great time to give it a listen and subscribe so every episode of the Beyond Data Podcast will be delivered to you automatically.
Voices from This Episode
PBS NewsHour's Judy Woodruff [0:01]
WKBN27's Amanda Smith [0:07]
Sun Basket's Chef Justine Kelly [0:11]
Inside Edition's Deborah Norville [0:30]
CBS News contributor Katie Lee [0:36]
Chef Alexander Papetsas of New York City's Kellari Taverna on Inside Edition [0:43]
CBS News correspondent John Blackstone [0:49]
Annie Kelly of The Guardian [0:54]
Blue Apron Advertisement [1:35]
FishPeople Seafood's Ken Plasse [2:54]
Music: "Xi" by Andy G. Cohen
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Follow-Up Friday for Episode 1 - Toadfish
Follow-Up Friday episodes follow the monthly deep dive episodes by about 10 days and provide an opportunity to address listener comments and questions. This week I'm joined by scientific illustrator Karen Talbot, as we discuss your comments and questions about the oyster toadfish. Comments and questions can be emailed to [email protected], tweeted to @RetTalbot, posted on the Beyond Data Podcast Facebook page, or left as a voicemail at 207-370-1575. Below are some links and content mentioned in the 27 October episode of Follow-Up Friday.
Sorry about the quality of the audio this week - new microphones and tough setting. I'll do better!
Links
Karen Talbot Art
Angler's Pint
The Memory of Fish Film
Chef's Collaborative
Farnsworth Art Museum
Maine Bumble Bee Atlas
Banggai Cardinalfish Book by Ret
David Kimbro at Northeastern
Another Oyster Toadfish Recording
Outer Banks Sentinel Article on O'Neals Sea Harvest
More Information on the Swipe Card from Maine DNR
Ret's Fish Site Article on Abundant, Underutilized and (often) Data Deficient Fisheries
Guests
Karen Talbot, Scientific Illustrator
Images
The Beyond Data Podcast is brought to you by the Angler's Pint with these two new designs released in September!
Trash Fish Art Installation at the Farnsworth Art Museum
Peconic Bay Long Island Trawl Survey Sites
NMFS Oyster Toadfish Commercial Landings Data by Pounds, Year and State - The two graphs are the same data, but the broken lines in the second graph indicate years with no data/confidential data.
Thanks
Karen Talbot
Moby
Maine Beer Company
Oscar Blues Brewery
The Angler's Pint
Music by Andy G. Cohen
If you’d like to ask a question or make a comment about today’s show, email me at [email protected], leave a voicemail at 207-370-1575, send a Tweet to @rettalbot, or comment on the show’s Facebook page, which is Facebook.com/beyonddatapodcast. We’ll follow-up on your comments and questions in next Friday’s Follow-Up Friday podcast. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please consider subscribing on iTunes, where you can also rate the podcast and post a review—that really does make a difference.
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Episode 1 - Toadfish: A Cautionary Tale
In the 1990s, commercial landings of a data deficient, unregulated fish in New York waters increased by more than 300 percent in a single year without fisheries managers taking note and assessing the sustainability of the fishery or its effects on other fisheries. How did this happen, and could it happen again in the face of climate change, the culinary trash fish movement and developing international markets? Host Ret Talbot and his guests go beyond the data in a quest to answer these and other questions.
Links
IUCN Red List of Threatened Species
"Toward Reassessing Data-Deficient Species"
"Why IUCN Should Replace “Data Deficient” Conservation Status with a Precautionary “Assume Threatened” Status"
New York's Wildlife Action Plan
Atlantic Coastal Cooperative Statistics Program (ACCSP)
NOAA Fisheries Commercial Landings Data
Guests
William Darwall, IUCN
Richard Federico, Long Island Bayman
Ed Warner, Long Island Bayman
Max Miller, The Landings Restaurant
Carl LoBue, The Nature Conservancy
Wayne Grothe, The Nature Conservancy
Julie Defilippi Simpson, Atlantic Coastal Cooperative Statistics Program
David Kimbro, Northeastern University
John Maniscalco, NY Department of Environmental Conservation
Images
Long Island Oyster Toadfish by Adam Starke
Monkfish - NOAA's Fisheries Collection; Collection of Brandi Noble
Chef Max Miller Comes Face to Face with His First Oyster Toadfish
Oyster Toadfish (Opsanus tau)
Chef Max Miller Sizing Up His First Oyster Toadfish
Chef Max Miller's Lobster Bushi
Chef Max Miller's Toadfish Preparation
NY DEC Peconic Bay Trawl Survey Data for Oyster Toadfish
Thanks
Jake Kritzer, Environmental Defense Fund
Avery Federico
Clay Groves, The Fish Nerds Podcast
Music by Andy G. Cohen
If you’d like to ask a question or make a comment about today’s show, email me at [email protected], leave a voicemail at 207-370-1575, send a Tweet to @rettalbot, or comment on the show’s Facebook page, which is Facebook.com/beyonddatapodcast. We’ll follow-up on your comments and questions in next Friday’s Follow-Up Friday podcast. If you enjoyed today’s episode, please consider subscribing on iTunes, where you can also rate the podcast and post a review—that really does make a difference.
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The first episode of the Beyond Data Podcast airing later this month takes a deep dive into New York's oyster toadfish fishery. The data may be few, but the two-decades old cautionary tale told by those who experienced it is perhaps more relevant now than ever.
Music by Andy G. Cohen
Guests (in order of appearance): Richard Federico, Wayne Grothe & Carl Lobue
Episode thumbnail image courtesy of Adam Starke
Special thanks to Avery Federico
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Coming in October, award-winning freelance journalist and science writer Ret Talbot will go beyond the data in a new podcast developed for a data deficient world full of alternative facts. Stay tuned for more information about the official launch date and a preview of upcoming episodes.
Music by Andy G. Cohen and additional sound support from copyc4t and sonsdebarcelona
Audio Clips: Kellyanne Conway on NBC's Meet the Press, Pat Gray on The Blaze's Pat & Stu Show, Rep. Jason Chaffetz on CNN, and John Coleman on Fox's The Kelly File
A big thank you to the Angler's Pint for supporting this podcast.
