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This week, we got into a thumb-war-to-the-death with our inner critic in order to lure over legendary copywriter, speaker, coach, author and all-round good Canada goose egg Dan Nelken.
The alphabetical genius behind the bestselling Self Help Guide for Copywriters, and his 5-star online course âWriting Under Pressureâ, Dan has made it his mission to rescue writers and brands all over the world from the malign influence of the dreaded inner critic â a character that Dan describes, with characteristic politeness, as a âding dongâ.
The true Canadian king of creativity (shut your face Reynolds) Dan chats to CTA about the importance of creating stuff thatâs just for you, the long-game of any creative career, how to gain and maintain creative confidence, and of course his own grapplings with an inner critic he calls Alan.
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Follow Dan on LinkedIn
Visit Danâs site
Jerry Seinfeld's interview with Tim Ferriss, the interview every creative should watch
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Timestamps
(02:05) - Quick Fire Questions
(04:05) - Dan's Early Jobs
(04:53) - From Forklift Truck Driver to Copywriter
(06:45) - Finding His Path into Copywriting
(08:36) - First Copywriting Gig at Cosset and Breaking through with McDonald's
(12:02) - Value of Getting Lost
(13:21) - The inspiration behind âWriting Under Pressureâ
(17:59) - Creating a Course On Writing Headlines
(21:03) - Response to the Book
(22:40) - Maintaining Creative Confidence
(24:09) - Confronting Your Inner Critic
(26:07) - Structure in Creativity
(29:07) - Creativity Closer to Math(s) than Magic
(31:04) - Importance of Structure in Creativity
(32:39) - Most Creatives Hate Brainstorming
(36:57) - Naming Alan, the Inner Critic
(39:21) - The Joy of Creating for Yourself
(42:46) - Impact of Creating on Social Media
(43:40) - Audience Questions
(48:20) - Four Pertinent Posers
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Dan's book recommendations are:
A Self-Help Guide for Copywriters by Dan Nelken
Hey Whipple, Squeeze This by Luke Sullivan
Mind Management, Not Time Management by David Kadavy
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This week, we went fishing in a Leviâs Creek to catch TED speaker, co-author of âThe Creative Nudgeâ and enthusiasm enthusiast, Kevin Chesters.
His Twitter bio says heâs a âtall bald bloke from Penzanceâ. And whilst that might be true, it does rather undersell the fact that perched atop that tall body, and in that bald bonce, are some serious smarts.
For Kevin is a Chief Strategy Officer, formerly strategy head at Ogilvy, Wieden + Kennedy, Saatchi, Dentsu, with a client-side cameo at BT, a visiting lecturer in creativity at several universities, a TEDx speaker, co-author of âThe Creative Nudgeâ and an absolute advocate for walking in stupid and talking in smarts.
We discuss his journey from his beginning manning boying a vegetable stall, flirting with journalism, getting past âAâ in the careers dictionary, the importance of fostering creativity in all fields (including muddy ones), executional skill, breaking category norms, sifting through the interesting to find useful, enthusiasm, neurodiversity, walking in stupid, finding the world endlessly fascintating, big agencies, little agencies and so much more.
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Kevinâs website
Follow Kevin on LinkedIn
Hereâs his book, co-written with the brilliant Mick Mahoney
His TED Talk
Leviâs â Creek by BBH, 1993
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Timestamps
(03:17) - Kevin's early jobs and first steps in the advertising industry
(07:34) - His initial lack of interest in advertising and his pivot from journalism
(10:04) - The impact of iconic ads like Levi's Creek on Kevin's career
(19:04) - The value of diverse experiences in building a successful career
(23:03) - Defining creativity and its importance in business and life
(27:37) - Breaking category norms
(31:06) - The concept of bravery in marketing
(34:42) - Bringing Fresh Perspectives to Meetings
(36:38) - Practical tips for fostering creativity in the workplace
(45:05) - Listener questions including Mark Earls about the role of enthusiasm
(47:08) - The impact of neurodiversity on Kevin's approach to strategy
Kevinâs book recommendations are:
The Creative Nudge: Simple Steps to help you think differently by Kevin Chesters and Mick Mahoney
The Victorian Internet by Tom Standage
Legacy by James Kerr
An Astronaut's Guide to Life on Earth by Chris Hadfield
The Rebuilders by Sara Tate & Anna Vogt (Saraâs appearance on Call to ActionÂź https://gasp.agency/media/call-to-action/sara-tate)
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This week we got out our thesaurus and sent a proper professional-sounding connection request to snag the attention of Mimi Turner, Head of LinkedInâs B2B institute for EMEA and Latin America.
With more strategic know-how in her little finger than a yurt-load of gurus, Mimi has worked as Director of Strategy, Messaging and Research for The Liberal Democrats and Marketing Director for Lad Bible, before moving to her current role at LinkedIn where she champions brand as a key growth driver for B2B businesses.
One of B2Bâs biggest brains and boldest bullshit busters, Mimi shares her thoughts on the ancient origins of strategic thinking, journalismâs tendency toward self-harm, the common mistakes B2B marketers keep on making and why B2B is just one big game of hide and seek.
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Follow Mimi on LinkedIn
Read Mimi and Jann Schwarz's eye-opening research The real job of B2B Marketing is to give the Buyer Group permission to agree
Tune in to Mimi's Nudgestock 2023 talk Every Product Needs a Promise
Timestamps
(02:23) - Quick Fire Questions
(07:14) - Mimiâs Early Career
(08:43) - The early days as a student journalist
(10:52) - The worldâs worst chambermaid
(12:09) - Sequencing operations in Burger King
(15:48) - Hospitality Skills in Marketing: Leaders should be waiters
(21:35) - Mimiâs route into marketing
(24:50) - Playing to win and solve the strategic problems
(29:31) - B2B marketing: The challenger to B2C marketing
(32:29) - Joining the B2B Institute at LinkedIn
(33:55) - Who is making the decisions in B2B buying
(37:03) - In B2B Brand is a decision insurance
(46:03) - This quarterâs sales will be won or lost on brand
(49:26) - Target B2Bâs hidden buyers
(57:16) - Advice for CMOâs fighting for investment
(01:01:46) - Target your customers, go after the buying group
(01:04:43) - Differentiation and distinctiveness: The job of creativity in B2B brands
(01:11:23) - Pertinent posers
Mimi's book recommendations are:
The Penguin Book of Modern Speeches by Brian MacArthur
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Itâs been 5 years since Call to ActionÂź captured our first of whatâs now over 140 heroes and allies from the industry front lines to have a chin-wag with. To celebrate, weâre rereleasing a choice cut of our favourite episodes as part of a âBest Ofâ series.
Back in 2021, we posed as a jester in the throne room of the Burger Kingdom to nab one of the most influential CMOs in the industry; the mind behind the infamous Mouldy Whopper, Fernando Machado.
A global marketer with enough Lions to rival Joe Exotic, Fernando has since tucked into a few new roles, including one as CMO at Activision Blizzard. But at the time of recording, Fer was CMO at Restaurant Brands International, serving up great creative work for Burger King, Popeyes and Tim Hortons.
So, pull up to the next window and pick-up Ferâs final flame-grilled interview pre-abdicating, where we chat on his obsession with creativity, how to make the case for creativity, the role of the CMO, why Mouldy Whopper was never a risk, brand heritage, cancel culture, Bill Bernbach, Dads in Briefs and the cliff divers of Acapulco.
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Check out The One Club for Creativity
BGH Air Conditioners: Dads in Briefs
Timestamps
(02:15) - Quick fire questions
(03:39) - His early career and first job
(08:02) - Importance of creativity as a competitive advantage
(15:24) - Making the case for creativity in marketing
(20:30) - Burger King's challenger mindset and culture of creativity
(25:22) - Role of the CMO and comfort with being uncomfortable
(28:29) - Listener questions
(33:04) - 4 pertinent posers
Fernandoâs book recommendations are:
Bill Bernbach's Book by Bob Levenson
The Copy Book by D&AD
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This week, we tracked a trail through deserts, glaciers, coral reefs, paddy fields, palaces, the DMZ between the two Koreas and an Italian hilltop to catch a copywriter with a lifetime of wild experience behind him. Ciao, Andrew Jolliffe.
For 25 years heâs written ads, strategies, thought starters, content, manifestos and copy. Some of those have won him prizes in Cannes, Paris and New York, but more importantly, he still adores writing them. In an age where concepts cast shadows over craft, Andrew is a true craftsman.
Full of refreshingly smart observations, Andrew talks to us on his organ building apprenticeships, fireworks accidents, Princess Diâs wedding, his "3rd career" in advertising, the internet as a vending machine, an outstanding defence of proper craft, and much, much more.
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Follow Andrew on LinkedIn
Hereâs his website, entirely written by his clients
A short but very award-winning film he wrote with animator Darren Price
MusiCuvia, music festival in Valcuvia, northern Italy, founded by Andrew 4 years ago
And some Jack Dee for good measure
Timestamps
(02:12) - Quick Fire Questions
(06:03) - Andrew's Early Career: Pipe Organ Builder
(11:03) - Transition to Firework Technician
(16:20) - The Cutthroat World of Fireworks
(19:53) - Transition to Advertising
(23:54) - Learning the Craft at Ogilvy
(25:09) - Understanding People from All Walks of Life
(26:14) - The Value of Real Experiences
(27:32) - The Internet as a Vending Machine
(29:59) - The Importance of Craft in Advertising
(32:22) - Consumer Intelligence and Craft
(45:00) - Advice for Aspiring Advertisers
(52:06) - Pertinent Posers
Andrewâs book recommendations are:
Atonement by Ian McEwan
Saturday by Ian McEwan
Black Dogs by Ian McEwan
The Pornographer by John McGahern
The Plot Against America by Philip Roth
The Howard Gossage Show by Steve Harrison and Dave Dye
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Itâs been 5 years since Call to ActionÂź captured our first of whatâs now over 140 heroes and allies from the industry front lines to have a chin-wag with. To celebrate, weâre rereleasing a choice cut of our favourite episodes as part of a âBest Ofâ series.
In 2021, baited by a Bedouin birthing blanket, we caught big thinker and bestselling author, Paul Feldwick.
The man behind one of our favourite all time ad campaigns, Paul worked at the legendary agency BMP on some of Britainâs most famous brands for over 30 years.
Paul talks to us on tonnes of topics, including BMP, being the worldâs worst account manager, clowns, talking to real people, what brands can learn from Snow White, Jeremy Bullmore, PT Barnum, fame, shame, purpose, Mrs Brownâs Boys, whether ads need to be "liked", Martin Boase, and a whole lot more.
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Check out his website
Follow Paul on LinkedIn
We implore you to read both of his fabulous books:
Why Does the Pedlar Sing?
Anatomy of Humbug
And hereâs that famous Barclaycard ad with Rowan Atkinson
Timestamps
(01:58) - Quick fire questions
(07:20) - Paul's early career and transition to account planning
(11:24) - Importance of entertaining advertising
(17:29) - Discussion on fame in advertising
(24:35) - The history of advertising and its impact on creativity
(29:33) - The moral implications of advertising and the need for entertaining content
(35:32) - Question on creative thinking in advertising and overcoming shame for fame
(41:36) - Balancing likability and fame in advertising campaigns
(47:07) - Pertinent posers
Paulâs book recommendations are:
How Brands Grow by Byron Sharp
Building Distinctive Brand Assets by Jenni Romaniuk
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This week, we ate and left no some crumbs to lure and catch GEN-Z copywriters, Carolyn McMurray and Em Goodier.
Co-founders of Word Tonic, the worldâs first GEN-Z copywriting community, Carolyn and Em are hell-bent on helping and inspiring more young people to write for a living. Driven directly by young copywriters, it's a space to connect, share advice and learn from both each other and in masterclasses with the world's most noticeable brands like Disney and Google.
With over 700 GEN-Z copywriters involved, theyâre growing so fast theyâve got brands reaching out to recruit fresh, emerging talent straight from the community.
We spill the tea (weâll stop now) on embracing chaos in your career, building a community as an introvert, why research matters before a GEN-Z marketing effort, flexibility, mentorship, wanky creative directors, creating a diverse and inclusive community, short-term echo chambers, listener questions from Vikki Ross, Dave Harland, Thomas Kemeny and Andrew Boulton, boyfriend dedications, and loads more*.
*including a World Cup of GEN-Z words designed solely to get Giles to say âyeetâ, âbussinâ, and âvibe checkâ.
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Follow Word Tonic on Instagram
Find them on LinkedIn
Hereâs their website and newsletter
And check out one of Carolynâs recommendation; Farnam Street
Timestamps
(01:47) - World Cup of GEN-Z Words
(03:31) - Early (chaotic) career paths; from Costa Coffee and cleaning to copywriting
(12:31) - How Word Tonic started, the recruitment side, and why you should join
(22:46) - How to nail GEN-Z marketing efforts
(31:31) - Listener questions
(40:51) - 4 pertinent posers
Their book recommendations are:
Junior by Thomas Kemeny
Hey Whipple Squeeze This by Luke Sullivan
Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov
A Self-Help Guide for Copywriters by Dan Nelken
The Girl With All The Gifts by M.R. Carey
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This week we asked âIs Pepsi okay?â to bait and catch Coca-Cola Creative Lead, Adam Ross.
Creative Lead for Coca-Cola across the ASEAN & South Pacific region, Adam is responsible for translating and elevating global core creative ideas regionally and locally, wrangling agencies around the world, and driving thought leadership across the business.
So, gather on a Hilltop and listen as we sing on working on impactful campaigns for the Met Police, the power of brand and why itâs far from dead, âleaving loudlyâ, serendipity, the power of a great brief, going from agency to client side at Coca-Cola, Cantona, being an agency whisperer, balancing parenthood and leaderships and loads more.
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Follow Adam on LinkedIn
Listen to his sister, Vikki, on Episode 6 of Call to ActionÂź
Check out Adamâs Creative Sparks post each month
And keep an eye out for Vikkiâs Copy Safaris
Timestamps
(02:01) - Quickfire questions
(02:56) - His first jobs and first proper job at MediaCom
(05:05) - Tackling issues like knife crime and gun violence for the Met Police
(08:29) - The role of serendipity in his career
(13:07) - Transition to client-side at Coca-Cola
(23:17) - Being an âagency whispererâ
(26:08) - The power of a brief
(31:15) - Leaving loudly
(40:55) - Listener questions
(51:38) - 4 pertinent posers
Adamâs book recommendations are:
Emotion by Design by Greg Hoffman
Misfits by Michaela Coel
Is This Anything? by Jerry Seinfeld
Dave Trottâs books
The Course of Love by Alain de Botton
The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work by Alain de Botton
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This week, we caught Scott âThe Boomâ to shake-shake-shake the room.
Cutting his teeth at Saatchi and Saatchi, Scott Morrison has run the Nike business at Wieden and Kennedy, and been CMO and Commercial Director at Leviâs, Activision and Diesel. Now he brings the Boom! to brands and leaders to Unblock, Unlock and Unleash commercial, creative or cultural impact that transforms business and individuals.
Strap in as we wag chins on picking tomatoes, the power of stating intent, the magic of positive disruption, and the art of creating a movement. Scott's not just about making noise - he's about making a real impact. From quiet leadership lessons inspired by Nelson Mandela to the bold moves that drive businesses forward, Scott's got the playbook for success.
Listen quick. Tic-tic-tic-tic...
Follow Scott on LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram
Find out more about the Boom!
Hereâs the Boom! Book Club
Read 10 ways future-thinking clients are bringing the Boom! to Business Unusual
Scott's ISOLATED Talk Leadership Lessons from Marvin and Mandela
Timestamps
02:07 - Quickfire questions
03:40 - His early jobs and career path
06:19 - Importance of being open to serendipity in career choices
13:39 - The importance of positive disruption in business
21:29 - The "unblock, unlock, unleash" approach
25:40 - Defining success and unblocking obstacles
33:24 - Stating intent as a powerful leadership tool
36:52 - Characteristics of impactful leaders and the concept of learning fast
41:25 - Impactful leadership styles and the balance between quiet and loud impact
45:37 - Listener questions
51:38 - 4 pertinent posers
Scottâs book recommendations are:
The Mountain is You by Brianna Wiest
The Ego is the Enemy by Ryan Holiday
The Obstacle is the Way by Ryan Holiday
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This week we sent off a coupon to catch 1960s advertising copywriter, Howard Gossage, through the eyes and work of Steve Harrison and Dave Dye.
As a copywriter, Steve tamed more Cannes Lions in his discipline than anyone else in the world. Heâs been on the show twice before, once guesting, once hosting, and is a great friend of âŠGasp!. Dave is the true âart directorâs art directorâ. Through his career heâs won everything, worked for the best agencies in the business, and the visual techniques he uses to squeeze every ounce of juice from an idea are frankly unparalleled.
The pair have joined forces to pen and produce âThe Howard Gossage Showâ, a fitting celebration of the fun and fame peddling ad man; one of the industryâs lesser known greats.
We gossip on Gossageâs showmanship, breaking conventions, having half an interesting conversation through his ads, writing to somebody, stunts, fame, and so much more. At a time when advertising is disliked and avoided by most people, his legacy feels even more important now than it was 60 years ago. So listen up.
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Hereâs The Howard Gossage Show
Follow Steve and Dave on LinkedIn
Check out Daveâs Stuff From the Loft
And Steveâs biography on Howard Gossage
Timestamps
(02:34) - Quick fire questions (Posh Spice or Persil?)
(04:41) - How Gossage ended up in advertising
(12:09) - Why nowâs the time for a book about Gossage
(20:50) - How he broke conventions
(26:28) - People read what interests them
(35:00) - The industry becoming hyper-serious
(45:17) - Listener questions from Vikki Ross and Nick Asbury
(52:00) - The Cannes Lions humour category
(1:00:00) - A dedication to Alice Lowe and Phish Food
Image of Howard Gossage credit: ©George W Dippel
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Itâs been 5 years since Call to ActionÂź captured our first of whatâs now over 130 heroes and allies from the industry front lines to have a chin-wag with. To celebrate, weâre rereleasing a choice cut of our favourite episodes as part of a âBest Ofâ series.
In February 2022, we stuck a fake shark fin on our back and lurked in the waters off Adelaide to catch the attention of one of the industryâs most respected researchers; Prof. Karen Nelson-Field.
Hell-bent on fighting the broken media ecosystem as founder and CEO at Amplified Intelligence, Karen is also an author and alumni of the world-renowned Ehrenberg-Bass Institute. When sheâs not binge-watching Home & Away (yes, sheâs still a fan), Karenâs research into the measurement of attention has made her a global authority on media effectiveness.
Point your ears this way as Karen talks on her 10 years at Ehrenberg-Bass, skateboarding cats, myth-busting Facebook likes, going viral, why attention is an important metric, how to measure it and more. And strap in as Karen finally answers the red-hot question of whether our attention spans really are becoming shorter than a goldfi-
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Follow Karen on LinkedIn
And on Twitter
Hereâs her website
And, Karen kindly dedicates this episode to the bullshit-detecting bulldog himself, Bob Hoffman
Grab yourself her books:
Viral Marketing: The Science of Sharing
The Attention Economy and How Media Works
Timestamps
(01:50) - Quick fire questions
(03:15) - First jobs and early fascination with advertising
(08:40) - What she learnt about media from cinema
(14:00) - Her time at Ehrenberg-Bass
(15:45) - Myth-busting Facebook likes
(19:15) - A deep dive into the attention economy
(25:30) - Are our attention spans really getting shorter?
(30:00) - Single piece of advice to marketers to better understand attention
(34:30) - Listener questions
(38:15) - 4 pertinent posers
Karenâs book recommendations are:
Play Bigger by Al Ramadan, Dave Peterson, Christopher Lochhead & Kevin Maney
That Will Never Work by Marc Randolph
Feel better about marketing with Episode 81 of Call to ActionÂź with Professor Karen Nelson-Field.
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This week, we scoured wardrobes far and wide to catch a man who has dressed rock icons, Sapeurs of the Congo, a blue monster for Ed Sheeran, and even âplug boyâ from the Sainsburyâs Christmas ad; Mr Gammon.
Costume designer, fashion stylist, and distinctive English gent, Mr Gammon is the go-to guy for creatively styled costumes. Whether itâs dressing The Rolling Stones, elegant men of the Congo, Usain Bolt, a school nativity like no other, or mum and dad in jeans and a t-shirt; no cast is too vast, nor celebrity too big.
We wag chins on his first ever job with an alcoholic called Malcolm, his first proper job dressing Adam Ant, making and selling bermuda shorts at school, being a colourful punk, what he loves about being on set, how a joke about needlework changed the trajectory of his life, managing expectations, where âMr Gammonâ came from, taking 25 suitcases to film Guinness âSapeursâ, making jackets for Mick Jagger, drawing as âcreative offsettingâ, and a treasure trove more.
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Find Mr Gammon on Instagram
Hereâs his website
Loving You is Killing Me by My Life Story
And a choice cut of Mr Gammonâs best work:
Guinness Sapeurs
Sainsburyâs The Big Night
The brand new Carlsberg spot 'Curious Beginnings'
And DJ Shadow - Rocket Fuel ft. De La Soul
Timestamps
(02:09) - Quick fire questions, Doctor Who, and the reality check The Rolling Stones gave him
(08:14) - First jobs, making bermuda shorts, and designing for Adam Ant
(16:05) - His time at the Royal College of Art
(20:30) - The âcommon good of the shootâ when youâre on set
(27:55) - Dealing with the opinions and emotions of different people on set
(39:39) - His new work for Carlsberg
(41:35) - Listener questions
(46:30) - 4 pertinent posers
Mr Gammonâs book recommendations are:
Small Trades by Irving Penn
Michel the Giant: An African in Greenland by Tété-Michel Kpomassie
Learning to Love You More by Miranda July and Harrell Fletcher
The Old Patagonian Express by Paul Theroux
The Financial Times Weekend Edition
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Itâs been 5 years since Call to ActionÂź captured our first of whatâs now over 130 heroes and allies from the industry front line to have a chin-wag with. The show is still very much like PokĂ©mon Go, with the single but vital exception that itâs not a short-term bandwagon of shite. And to celebrate, weâre rereleasing a choice cut of our favourite episodes as part of the âBest ofâ series.
In September 2020, we pulled a network agency worm out of the Big Apple and used it as topic-bait to catch one of advertisingâs biggest fish; the one and only George Tannenbaum.
One of the most highly awarded, revered and talented copywriters and creative directors on the planet, George was Executive Creative Director and Copy Chief at Ogilvy for over 10 years. He has worked with huge brands like IBM, Boeing, PayPal, and General Motors, writes a hugely influential marketing blog called Ad Aged, and has a charming if alarmingly deluded French alter ego called âLe Agency Holding Company CEOâ who holds up a satirical mirror to the holding company era.
Initially released as a two-parter, this is the full, directorâs cut. So strap in for an hour and 20 minutes of Georgeâs blissful yet biting NY tones as he talks on subjects such as the agency scene in the 80s and 90s, ageism, the state of copywriting, rediscovering his love for advertising, his time at Ogilvy including his last assignment working on the Boeing account, how to write a good headline, and tons more.
And the whole thing kicks off with an unmissable cameo from Le Agency Holding Company CEO. So what are you waiting for? Go listen.
Feel better about marketing with Episodes 46 and 47 of Call to ActionÂź with George Tannenbaum.
Follow George on LinkedIn
Hereâs his Ad Aged Blog
And his website
Georgeâs book recommendations:
The Saddest Words by Michael Gorra
The Warmth of Other Suns by Isabel Wilkerson
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This year marks 5 years since our maiden episode launched in 2019. And to celebrate Call to ActionÂź turning 5, weâve asked the âŠGasp! team to rummage through all 130 episodes to re release some of their favourites.
In June 2020, we cast a net off the coast of Adelaide and caught one of the globeâs greatest researchers, Jenni Romaniuk, for her first of two Call to ActionÂź appearances.
Jenni is a Research Professor at the conveyor belt of marketing stars, the Ehrenberg-Bass Institute, where she has advised many of the worldâs biggest brands. Sheâs also authored whatâs now a trilogy of true industry bibles; How Brands Grow 2, Building Distinctive Brand Assets, and Better Brand Health.
In one of our most listened to episodes of all time, you can hear all about Jenniâs first job as a talented mixologist, how to build mental availability, context, memory, metrics, and more. If you work for a company with a brand logo, font or colour scheme, this episode is as close to essential listening as youâre going to get to understand how to build, measure, manage and, crucially, protect distinctive brand assets.
Feel better about marketing with Episode 39 of Call to ActionÂź with Professor Jenni Romaniuk.
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Follow Jenni on LinkedIn.
If you havenât already, youâd be a fool not to fill your ear canals up with Jenniâs second cameo on Call To ActionÂź, here.
And check out her books; Building Distinctive Brand Assets, How Brands Grow Part 2, and Better Brand Health.
Timestamps
(01:55) - Quick fire questions
(04:30) - First job behind the bar at a football club
(07:00) - Getting a phone call from Byron Sharp and landing a job at EBI
(12:30) - How Brands Grow 2 and Building Distinctive Brand Assets
(17:05) - How to build mental availability
(24:10) - The link between context and memory
(31:25) - Best practices for managing and measuring distinctive assets
(45:35) - Listener questions
(52:40) - 4 pertinent posers
Jenniâs book recommendation is:
A Scandalous Life by Mary S. Lovell
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This week, we posed as a wide receiver to catch ad landâs premier Super Bowl pundit, Andrew Tindall, to tell us which of this yearâs cohort of cost-the-earth commercials were MVPsâŠand which fumbled the ball.
A man who hadnât slept in days, we snared Andrew straight from System1âs Super Bowl âwar roomâ. After spending the past week testing the ads our industry canât help but get sweaty about year on year, heâs here to tell us what âwonâ the Super Bowl and why.
An award-winning marketer with a commercial background at some top notch FMCGs, Andrew leads System1's global partnership strategy and growth, seeking out the worldâs best ads and why they work to unlock the potential of their world-leading effectiveness database.
He talks to us on Young Apprentice being a way of "getting out of Huddersfield'', studying medicine for 3 years, wanting to work in alcohol, how System1 predicts creative potential and effectiveness, his mentor, colleague and friend Orlando Wood, why effectiveness is relative; outperform your category, the hierarchy of evidence, the brilliant Jenni Romaniuk, creativity as the UKâs greatest export, and lots more. Plus, of course, the Super Bowl winners and losers, including Michelob Ultra, Messi, using celebs, mayo cat, T-Mobile and Pfizer.
Touch down on the play button. You wonât be disappointed.
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Follow Andrew on LinkedIn
Find out more about System1 and their ad effectiveness predictors
The only four slides you need for Super Bowl 2024 ad insights from System1
Hereâs Andrewâs Super Bowl piece in The Drum
And his personal favourite Super Bowl ad of 2024, Foot Washing
Plus Mr P by Pringles
And if you havenât seen them, watch 2024âs top scoring Super Bowl ads here:
Dunkinâ Donuts, Hellmannâs, Reeseâs, Oreo, State Farm, Popeyes, T-Mobile, NFL, Michelob ULTRA, Booking.com, and Budweiser.
Timestamps
(01:50) - Quick fire questions
(03:45) - First jobs, BBCâs Young Apprentice, and going from med school to marketing
(07:40) - How he ended up testing marketing effectiveness at System1
(13:12) - How System1 predicts creative potential and effectiveness
(17:50) - Which ads âwonâ the Super Bowl?
(21:15) - What Michelob ULTRA did right
(27:14) - His favourite Super Bowl ad of 2024 (and itâs one no one is talking about)
(30:45) - Efficiency and effectiveness
(36:35) - Listener questions
(42:00) - What US marketers can learn from the UK
(46:30) - 4 pertinent posers
Andrewâs book recommendation is:
Building Distinctive Brand Assets by Jenni Romaniuk
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Go, Shotton, itâs our birthday, we gonâ podcast like itâs our birthday. This week, we claimed that 50 Cent is better than 49 Cent to coax out and catch a man who knows his onions on the âleft hand digit effectâ; Richard Shotton.
In February 2019, Richard agreed to be our inaugural guest to launch the Call to ActionÂź podcast. Almost exactly 5 years, 343309 listens (or 686618 ears), and 1 book better, we're snaring him for a second, celebratory episode to mark the occasion.
Drawing on academic research, previous ad campaigns, and his own original field studies, Richard is the best in the business when it comes to improving marketing with findings from behavioural science. His brace of best-selling books, The Choice Factory and The Illusion of Choice, are practical guides on how any business can use behavioural biases to win customers and sell more stuff.
He chinwags to us on dressing up as Mr Blobby, second album syndrome, why âmuscular gentlemanâ is more memorable than âcommon fateâ, rejecting dubious papers (not the whole field), the IKEA effect, Rory Sutherland and The World of Jam, tips to sell more champagne, releasing the handbrake vs pushing the accelerator, how to make your ad more believable, why Giles is scared of Jollibee, and loads more. Youâd be a fool not to fill your ear canals up.
*Feel free to ignore this*âŠbut if you leave a review for Call to ActionÂź on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, weâll choose the best 5 to WIN a book pack prize of The Illusion of Choice, The Choice Factory, Delusions of Brandeur, and How Brands Blow. Mega.
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Follow Richard on Twitter and LinkedIn
Listen to our maiden episode with him here
Hereâs Astroten
Get your grubby mitts on his books:
The Choice Factory
The Illusion of Choice
And hereâs that Gregory and Gregory stunt from Greggs
Timestamps
(02:02) - Quick fire questions
(04:45) - Second album syndrome and writing The Illusion of Choice
(07:26) - Why marketers should always use concrete words
(12:20) - Richardâs response to behavioural science critics
(17:05) - Choice paralysis and the importance of context
(19:08) - The IKEA effect
(23:08 ) - âPress for champagneâ and why marketers should weigh up appeal vs friction
(28:00) - Should ads use more rhyme and humour?
(33:00) - Quick wins for marketers looking to wield the powers of behavioural science
(42:00) - Listener questions
(50:10) - 4 pertinent posers
Richardâs book recommendations are:
Writing for Busy Readers by Todd Rogers
Alchemy by Rory Sutherland
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This year marks 5 years since our maiden episode with Richard Shotton in February 2019. To celebrate Call to ActionÂź turning 5, we asked the âŠGasp! team to rummage through all 130 episodes for us to re-release some of their favourites.
Back in January 2020, we kicked off the year with fizzy, fuzzy energy. The fizz and fuzz faded come March 2020, but before that, we packed our plasticine and carried out a search of The Avon to pick up Bristolâs finest maker of noise, Gavin Strange.
By day, Gavin is Director and Designer at the beloved Aardman Animations, the Academy Award winning studio behind Wallace & Gromit. It is probably easier to ask what Gavin does not do, a sucker for a night-time side project, under the pseudonym of Jam Factory, heâs also an author, toy inventor and speaker on the global circuit.
In one of the âŠGasp! teamâs all time favourite episodes, Gavin talks to us candidly on having car parts thrown at his head, pixels, plasticine, what Morph is really like, the unlikely crossover of Maya Angelou and Dragon Ball Z and why we need more wonky things.
Feel better about marketing with Episode 28 of Call to ActionÂź with Gavin Strange.
Follow Gavin on Twitter, Instagram and LinkedIn
Check out his website
And get his book: Do Fly
Timestamps
(01:59) - Quick fire questions
(02:40) - First jobs, having car parts thrown at his head, getting a job in design
(10:00) - Tinkering and creating his alter ego JamFactory
(13:15) - What itâs like working at Aardman Animations
(16:39) - Pixels vs plasticine and long standing characters like Morph
(23:30) - Being time buddies with Beyonce and how he gets so much done
(33:10) - Doing silly stuff and his directorial debut
(41:50) - Writing his book Do Fly
(53:00) - Listener questions
(1:00:00) - 4 pertinent posers
Gavinâs book recommendations are:
Feck Perfuction by James Victore
Draplin Design Co: Pretty Much Everything by Aaron Draplin
Why? How? What? The First Big Book of Art by Brosmind
Cabinet of Curiosities by Guillermo del Toro
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This week, Call to ActionÂź laid bait in a box trap to lure and snare our maiden catch of 2024, Roger Wade.
First founding Boxfresh, a pioneering British streetwear brand, he went on to transform a patch of wasteland to create the worldâs first pop-up dining and shopping destination, BOXPARK, in the heart of Londonâs Shoreditch. Today, Roger is putting his passion for independent brands, the future of retail, and thinking outside the Box, into his role as Chairman of Boxfund VC.
We shoot the breeze on stealing sweets, getting sacked from his first three jobs in advertising, having a positive attitude to problems, entrepreneurship, risk, how Boxfresh gave 90s kids a new uniform, being special to your customer, investing in people not spreadsheets, emotion in business, golf, why in-store is better than online for all three key pillars of retail, and loads more.
In fact, we had to stop and reload a few times to take aim at Bezos, bean counters, Boris and Brexit. And he certainly doesnât sit on the fence. What an episode.
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Follow Roger on LinkedIn
Hereâs Boxfund VC
Check out BoxSeat, a live pitch session for ESG consumer startups hosted every month
Weâve made our decision by Omid Djalili
Timestamps
(02:00) - Quick fire questions
(03:55) - Stealing sweets, running nightclubs, and getting sacked from his first 3 jobs in advertising
(06:40) - Realising he was unemployable and why it was the best thing that ever happened to him
(08:54) - Creating a new uniform for 90s kids with Boxfresh
(12:50) - âIf you arenât special to your customer, you wonât existâ
(17:00) - Investing in people not spreadsheets and why we need to talk more about emotion in business
(23:43) - Giving both barrels to Bezos, Boris, and Brexit
(33:52) - Listener questions
(39:34) - 4 pertinent posers
Rogerâs book recommendations are:
Politics on the Edge by Rory Stewart
But What Can I Do? by Alistair Campbell
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This week, we used plenty of plaid to lure and poach the planning pro in patterned shirts, Julian Cole.
Strategy consultant to leading brands like Uber, Apple, Facebook and ex-Head of Comms Planning at BBDO and BBH, Julian noticed the void of proper education for the role and started the Strategy Finishing School. Putting an end to impostor syndrome, heâs now whipping up world class strategists by the bucket load.
We talk delivering prescriptions, loving maps, horse racing, gambling, why going straight into strategy was a curse, learning (and now teaching) the fundamentals of strategy, imposter syndrome, spotting an untrained vs strategist, how to actually use AI in a helpful way, Gilesâs Thermomix, hallways not boardrooms, nemawashi, his definition of an insight, where he gets his shirts from, and loads more.
Sink your houndstooth in wherever you get your podcasts.
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You can find Julian on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube
Check out the Strategy Finishing School
This episode is proudly dedicated to Richard Huntington
And if you like Julianâs crazy shirts, have a gander at Lazy Oaf
Timestamps
(02:00) - Quick fire questions
(02:56) - His first job delivering prescriptions by bike, loving maps, and what led him down the path of strategy
(05:05) - The similarities between strategy and gambling
(09:45) - Why going straight into strategy was a curse, being a lone ranger, impostor syndrome, and deck monkeys
(18:07) - The positive side to impostor syndrome and how to overcome it
(22:27) - Spotting a trained vs untrained strategist
(28:08) - Using AI for strategy like youâd use salt in cooking
(31:30) - How he actually uses AI as a strategist
(35:13) - Diplomacy, hallways not boardrooms, and nemawashi
(40:38) - Listener questions
(51:42) - 4 pertinent posers
Julianâs book recommendations are:
Strategy is Your Words by Mark Pollard
Made to Stick by Chip and Dan Heath
Trust Me Iâm Lying by Ryan Holiday
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