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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Gary Lucchesi, the acclaimed producer and former President of the Producer’s Guild of America. From his early days as a talent agent at William Morris to his tenure as President of Production at Paramount Pictures, Gary has been a driving force behind numerous hit films. As a producer, his credits include Primal Fear, Million Dollar Baby, The Lincoln Lawyer, and Runaway Bride, among many others. In this insightful conversation, Gary shares stories from his career, discussing the art of assembling the right talent, the power of test screenings, and his thoughts on the future of the film industry.
From William Morris to Hollywood Heavyweight (07:41)
Gary talks about his early days at the William Morris Agency and the lessons he learned from mentors like Stan Kamen. He shares stories about signing talent like Michelle Pfeiffer and Kevin Costner.
The Paramount Years (17:45)
Gary discusses his tenure as President of Production at Paramount Pictures, where he oversaw films like The Hunt for Red October and Fatal Attraction.
Saving Fatal Attraction with a New Ending (21:25)
Gary shares the story of how a focus group and audience test screening led to a major change in the ending of Fatal Attraction, turning it from a "bummer" into a box office hit.
Producing Primal Fear and Discovering Edward Norton (28:21)
Gary dives into the making of Primal Fear, discussing the casting process and how Edward Norton’s brilliant audition won him the career-launching role over other contenders like Leonardo DiCaprio.
Million Dollar Baby and the Road to the Oscars (33:15)
Gary shares the journey of making Million Dollar Baby, from the script's origins to Clint Eastwood's involvement to the film's Academy Award.
Bringing Andrew Lloyd Weber to the Big Screen (37:08)
Gary talks about his time working with Andrew Lloyd Weber and bringing musicals like Sunset Boulevard and Cats to the screen.
The Shifting Landscape of the Film Industry (42:38)
Kevin and Gary discuss the seismic changes in the film business. Gary shares his optimism about the next generation reinventing the industry.
Gary Lucchesi brings his passion for producing, his keen eye for talent, and his deep understanding of the filmmaking process to this conversation with his friend, and host, Kevin Goetz. For anyone interested in the art and business of filmmaking, this episode offers a front-row seat to one of the industry's most accomplished and respected producers.
If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind-the-scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Gary Lucchesi
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)For more information about Gary Lucchesi:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Lucchesi
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0524342/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-lucchesi-26204127aFor more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with George Folsey Jr., the legendary film editor and producer whose illustrious career spans over five decades. Folsey Jr. has collaborated with acclaimed directors like John Landis, Eli Roth, and Paul Feig and is known for his work on films including Trading Places, An American Werewolf in London, The Blues Brothers, and Michael Jackson's groundbreaking music video, Thriller.
Growing Up in Hollywood's Golden Age (02:00)
George recalls his childhood experiences at MGM Studios, including encounters with stars like Judy Garland, Mickey Rooney, and Esther Williams.
Learning the Craft (05:36)
George discusses his entry into film editing, starting at KABC and learning from mentor Henry Berman at MGM.
The Making of Trading Places (10:07)
The conversation turns to Trading Places, which George considers one of his favorite projects. He discusses the challenging relationship with producer Aaron Russo and filming in Philadelphia.
The Twilight Zone Tragedy (11:53)
George and Kevin discuss the tragic accident on The Twilight Zone set and its impact on George’s life and career.
The Art of the "Fix" (15:42)
George explains his approach to "fixing" troubled films, emphasizing the importance of collaboration rather than alienating the original filmmakers.
The Animal House Experience (20:44)
In a fascinating revelation about one of comedy's most beloved films, George discusses how Animal House was made without traditional test screenings.
On Test Screenings and Audience Feedback (26:22)
George strongly advocates for the test screening process, arguing that understanding audience reactions is crucial given the massive investments in both money and careers at stake. He demonstrates this philosophy in his work on Cheaper by the Dozen.
Working with Michael Jackson on Thriller (37:18)
George shares personal stories about working with Michael Jackson, including anecdotes about their time together during the editing of Thriller and family visits to Jackson's home.
George Folsey Jr. offers a masterclass in film editing and production. His candid insights into working with directors like John Landis and Paul Feig, collaborating with Michael Jackson on Thriller, and helping shape classics like Trading Places and Animal House offer listeners a glimpse into the craft of film editing. His honest discussion of career challenges, including the Twilight Zone tragedy, and his philosophy on film editing and test screenings reveals not only his technical expertise but also his passion for storytelling and audience engagement.
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: George Folsey Jr.
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more info about George Folsey Jr.:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Folsey_Jr.
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0284390/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-folsey-jr-93951283
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Susan Cartsonis, a renowned producer and former studio executive known for championing women's stories in Hollywood. From 20th Century Fox to independent producing, Susan has been behind hits like What Women Want, Where the Heart Is, Aquamarine, Sitting in Bars with Cake, and True Sprit. She shares her journey in the film industry, her passion for storytelling, and her commitment to bringing diverse perspectives to the screen.
From Theater to Hollywood: Susan's Early Career (04:32)
Susan recounts her transition from theater studies to the film industry, starting as a reader at 20th Century Fox in New York.
Favorite Projects at Fox: A Legacy of Impactful Films (19:07)
Susan reflects on some of her projects including Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Dying Young, working with Bette Midler on For the Boys, and with Jodie Foster on Nell.
Going toe to toe with Barry Diller for Sleeping With the Enemy (24:17)
Susan shares a memorable story about standing up to Barry Diller in a meeting, advocating for projects she believed in.
The Birth of Home Alone (29:25)
Susan reveals how her personal family experience helped convince executives to greenlight the beloved classic Home Alone.
Producing What Women Want and Championing Women’s Stories (31:25)
Susan discusses her involvement in producing What Women Want and her passion for supporting women filmmakers and telling stories from diverse perspectives, drawing inspiration from classic films like The Wizard of Oz.
The Importance of Inclusion and Female Leadership (39:07)
Kevin and Susan discuss the value of inclusive storytelling and advocate for more female leadership in Hollywood and beyond.
Balancing Art and Audience in Filmmaking (47:40)
Kevin and Susan discuss the delicate balance between honoring artistic vision and meeting audience expectations in film production.
The Value of Audience Testing and Interpretation (53:44)
Susan praises Kevin's ability to interpret audience feedback and find the "note beneath the note" in test screenings.
Susan Cartsonis’ passion for women's voices and her experiences as both a studio executive and producer provide listeners with a unique perspective on the film industry. From her work on blockbusters like Nell and Buffy the Vampire Slayer to more recent projects like Carrie Pilby and Beastly, Susan's career highlights the power of storytelling and the importance of representation in cinema.
If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media.
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Susan Cartsonis
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Susan Cartsonis:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Cartsonis
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0142134/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/susancartsonis/?hl=en
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
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Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Spring Aspers, the Grammy-nominated President of Sony Pictures Music Group. With a career spanning from intern to President, Spring has become a powerhouse in the film music industry. Her work on blockbuster soundtracks like Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Versehas earned her critical acclaim and a Grammy nod. As the executive behind numerous hit movie soundtracks and a champion for emerging artists, Spring shares her process for choosing music for a film’s soundtrack, and discusses the details of music supervision in film.
From Bohemian Roots to Music Executive (03:43)
Spring recounts her unconventional upbringing in New York's art scene and how it shaped her passion for music.
The Anatomy of Film Soundtracks (07:54)
Spring shares a breakdown of the various roles in film music, from coordinators to executives, and their responsibilities. The pair also discuss the copyright intricacies in film soundtracks.
Emotional Resonance: Music in It Ends with Us (10:36)
Kevin and Spring talk about her involvement with the film "It Ends With Us." They discuss how the music added emotional depth the story.
The "Sunflower" Story and The Grammys (18:56)
Spring discusses her involvement in the song "Sunflower" by Post Malone and Swae Lee for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and her Grammy nomination experience. She shares her thoughts on the importance of capturing the essence of a character through music and how "Sunflower" embodied the spirit of Miles Morales.
The Art of Musical Matchmaking (27:20)
Spring offers insights into her process of discovering artists and pairing the perfect music with film projects. She describes herself as a "musical matchmaker," always seeking to find the right sound that resonates with the heart of the story.Music in Filmmaking (31:39)
Spring shares the challenges of integrating music into the filmmaking process and meeting tight deadlines.
The Future of Music: AI and the Human Touch (33:52)
Kevin and Spring discuss the role of AI in the music industry and the value of human creativity. Spring has an optimistic view, acknowledging AI's potential as a tool while emphasizing the enduring importance of human energy and creativity in music.
Spring Aspers offers her insight on the intersection of music and film, emphasizing the importance of creativity and the power of music to enhance storytelling. Her passion for discovering new talent and creating memorable cinematic experiences shines throughout the conversation, providing listeners with valuable insights into the world of music in film.Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Spring Aspers
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Spring Aspers:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/spring-aspers-876b063
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0039650/
Variety: https://variety.com/2019/music/news/spring-aspers-sony-pictures-president-music-1203356656/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Hollywood power couple Paula Wagner and Rick Nicita. Wagner has worked in the top ranks of the entertainment industry as a talent agent, studio executive, and producer. She co-founded Cruise/Wagner Productions with Tom Cruise, producing blockbuster hits like the "Mission: Impossible" franchise. Nicita worked as a successful talent agent for 5 decades before turning to production and consultation. He is currently Chairman of the American Cinematheque. Together, Wagner and Nicita offer insight into cultivating some of the most successful careers in Hollywood.
Early Careers and Transition to Becoming Agents (02:21)
Paula Wagner shares her journey from actress to agent while Rick Nicita recounts his path from law school dropout to William Morris. The couple then talk about how they met.
Hollywood Speed Round and the Art of Being an Agent (14:45)
Rick talks about some famous clients including Kevin Costner and Nicole Kidman in a celebrity speed round, and the trio discuss negotiating deals, choosing the right projects, and the importance of building long-term relationships.
Memorable Career Moments (28:04)
Paula talks about her involvement with Tom Cruise in Rain Man and Born on the 4th of July, and Rick discusses shares his experiences with high profile clients.
Cruise/Wagner Productions and United Artists (32:57)
Paula discusses her partnership with Tom Cruise, and the pair share the challenges of reviving United Artists while navigating industry changes and economic crises.
The Changing Landscape of Hollywood (40:00)
The trio discuss stardom, and how it has changed over the years, delving into the challenges of creating new movie stars and the future of audience engagement and storytelling.
Broadway and Beyond (48:00)
Paula shares about her transition to Broadway producing and her upcoming projects High Noon, and The Others. The couple reflects on the art of balancing film and theater productions.
Paula Wagner and Rick Nicita's careers offer a unique, insider perspective on the genesis of some of Hollywood’s biggest names. Wagner's journey from actress to top agent, then to successful film producer and now Broadway impresario, demonstrates her versatility and understanding of the creative process. Nicita's legacy as an agent and his transition to production and consulting highlight his expertise in talent management. Together, their experiences provide for a fascinating and inside look at how stars become stars.
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Paula Wagner and Rick Nicita
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Paula Wagner:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Wagner
X (Formerly Twitter): https://x.com/producerpwagner
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0906048/
For more information about Rick Nicita:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Nicita
X (Formerly Twitter): https://x.com/ricknicita?lang=en
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1131362/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
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In this special 50th episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews one of Hollywood's most successful and versatile directors, Ron Howard. His extraordinary career spans over six decades, starting as a child actor including roles on The Andy Griffith Show and Happy Days before emerging as a director at the age of 23. Howard's directorial achievements include critical and commercial successes such as Splash, Cocoon, Parenthood, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind (for which he won the Academy Award for Best Director), Rush, Thirteen Lives, and the upcoming Eden. In this intimate conversation, Howard discusses his remarkable journey, his philosophy on maintaining artistic vision while always respecting the audience’s point of view, and his experiences working with some of Hollywood's biggest names.
Early Career and Transition to Directing (02:49)
Ron Howard discusses his journey from child actor to director, highlighting his experiences on The Andy Griffith Showand his transition from Happy Days to directing, including his early collaboration with Brian Grazer.
Working with Bette Davis as a Young Director (20:00)
Howard recounts his experience directing Bette Davis when he was 25, sharing the challenges and valuable lessons learned from working with the legendary actress.
Ron's Approach to Filmmaking (28:22)
The director explains his philosophy of creating an environment for actors to excel and his focus on understanding and communicating stories in line with audience expectations.
Ron Howard on his Notable Films and Career Highlights (31:14)
Howard reflects on his favorite projects and the diversity of his filmography.
And the Oscar Goes to… (36:16)
Ron Howard shares the emotional experience of winning Best Director for A Beautiful Mind, including an inside story about Mel Gibson presenting the award.
Unexpected Projects: Directing Solo: A Star Wars Story (40:04)
The filmmaker discusses taking on the Star Wars project under unique circumstances and his experience working in the iconic universe.
Balancing Art and Audience (43:22)
Ron Howard explains his approach to balancing artistic vision with audience expectations, emphasizing the importance of using audience feedback to inform creative decisions.
Ron Howard's career is a testament to his enduring talent, adaptability, and passion for storytelling. From his early days as Opie on The Andy Griffith Show to winning an Oscar for A Beautiful Mind, Howard has consistently delivered compelling narratives across a wide variety of genres. His ability to balance artistic vision with audience expectations has resulted in an acclaimed body of work that resonates with both critics and viewers. Ron Howard remains a well-loved and innovative figure in Hollywood, always seeking to push the boundaries of his craft while maintaining a deep respect for the audience.
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Ron Howard
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, Dax Ross, Nick Nunez, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Ron Howard:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Howard
X (Formerly Twitter): https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000165/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz sits down with a trailblazing figure in the entertainment industry, Cheryl Boone Isaacs. As a public relations and marketing executive, Cheryl has worked on marketing campaigns for over 300 films, including Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Forrest Gump, and The King's Speech. As the first African American and first person of color to serve as president of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, Cheryl shares her experiences, insights, and the journey that led her to become a pivotal force for change in Hollywood.
#OscarsSoWhite (02:44)
Kevin and Cheryl discuss the #OscarsSoWhite movement, Cheryl’s role as president of The Academy, and her quest to implement inclusion initiatives.Lessons Learned Early (09:02)
Cheryl talks about some good advice the stuck with her through the years – you don’t know enough to ask the right questions.Early Career and Hollywood Journey (20:33)
Cheryl and Kevin discuss Cheryl’s background, growing up in Springfield, Massachusetts, her brother, Ashley Boone, and his influence on her career in Hollywood.Personal Experiences in the Industry (27:45)
Cheryl shares some challenges she faced as an African American woman in Hollywood along with memorable moments from her publicity career including her first job working on Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Notable African American Figures in Hollywood (34:01)
Kevin asks Cheryl for her quick takes on influential individuals like Spike Lee, Ava DuVernay, and others.
Teaching and Mentoring the Next Generation (38:53)
Cheryl shares her approach to educating film students and the importance of understanding filmmaking as a collaborative process.
The Future of Hollywood and Diversity (40:55)
Cheryl offers insights on the progress made and challenges ahead along with the importance of collaborative voices in the creative process.
Throughout her career, Cheryl Boone Isaacs has broken barriers. From her start in marketing, to her role as president of The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and continuing with her current position of guiding future filmmakers at the Sidney Poitier New American Film School, Boone Isaacs offers valuable lessons for those entering the film world, reinforcing the importance of diversity, collaboration, and perseverance in Hollywood. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Cheryl Boone Isaacs
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Cheryl Boone Isaacs:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheryl_Boone_Isaacs
Sidney Poitier New American Film School: https://search.asu.edu/profile/4102960
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3723795/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, host Kevin Goetz interviews the directing, producing, and writing team of Will Speck and Josh Gordon. This talented duo has made their mark across various media, directing feature films such as Blades of Glory, Office Christmas Party, and Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile. They've also created iconic commercials, including the Geico caveman and gecko campaigns, and ventured into television with their animated series Hit-Monkey on Hulu. The pair discusses their journey from film school to becoming successful filmmakers, their experiences with test screenings, and insights into their creative process across different mediums.
Film School and an Early Partnership (02:00)
The pair share how they met in NYU film school and started collaborating. The discussion turns to their first jobs in the industry and their transition from New York to Los Angeles.
Blades of Glory and an Intense Audience Screening (9:41)
Kevin asks Will and Josh about the making of Blades of Glory and their first test screening experience.
“Even a Caveman can do it” -- Commercial Work (20:37)
The pair discuss their work on famous commercials like the Geico caveman and gecko commercials, and how commercial work has influenced their filmmaking.
Recent Projects and Creative Growth (30:41)
Josh and Will share details about their animated series Hit Monkey on Hulu and their reflections on making the musical film Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile.
Career Reflections and Advice to Young Filmmakers (32:09)
Josh shares his proudest achievement: an impactful PSA on organ donation and Will discusses the importance of their partnership.
Upcoming Projects and Industry Outlook (41:00)
The pair share their thoughts on the future of the film industry and discuss their upcoming projects, including an adaptation of "The Wedding People" with Nicole Holofcener.
Will Speck and Josh Gordon offer a unique perspective on navigating the film industry as a writing, directing, and producing duo. Their experience across different mediums - from commercials to feature films to streaming content - demonstrates the value of maintaining a varied portfolio of work while continually pushing creative boundaries and nurturing a productive partnership. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guests: Will Speck and Josh Gordon
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Will Speck and Josh Gordon:
Speck Gordon, Inc.: https://www.speckgordon.com/home
IMDB (Josh Gordon): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0330347/
IMDB (Will Speck): https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0817447/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Speck_and_Josh_Gordon
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of Don't Kill the Messenger, Kevin Goetz sits down with DeVon Franklin, film and TV producer, bestselling author, motivational speaker, and former studio executive. Franklin is known for his work on inspirational films such as Breakthrough, Miracles from Heaven, and Flamin' Hot, as well as the BET series Kingdom Business. With a unique blend of faith, business savvy, and creative vision, Franklin has bridged the gap between mainstream entertainment and faith-based content. The conversation explores Franklin's journey in the entertainment industry, his approach to faith-based filmmaking, and his insights on what makes a successful movie.
DeVon's Background (02:10)
Kevin and DeVon discuss DeVon’s values and background in spirituality, and how his upbringing, family, and early influences shaped his views.
Early Career and Overbrook Entertainment (11:03)
Franklin talks about his internship experiences and work with Will Smith's production company, Overbrook entertainment, and the lessons he learned from working with high-profile talent.
Transition to Studio Executive (16:57)
Franklin shares his studio experiences at MGM and later Sony Pictures where he rose to become a senior executive.
Faith-Based Filmmaking (23:49)
Kevin and DeVon discuss what defines a faith-based film, and the pair analyze successful projects like Miracles from Heaven and Heaven is for Real. The talk turns to challenges and opportunities in the faith-based market.
Understanding the Audience (34:08)
Franklin touches on his approach to marketing faith-based films and the importance of knowing your audience as well as tailoring strategies for reaching both faith-based and mainstream audiences.
Current Projects and Working with Tyler Perry (36:05)
Franklin shares details on his upcoming film Relationship Goals. He discusses his partnership with Tyler Perry for Netflix.
Lessons from Past Projects (41:39)
Kevin and DeVon discuss DeVon’s animated film, The Star, and its performance which leads to reflections on learning from both successes and challenges in the industry.
DeVon Franklin's journey in Hollywood serves as a testament to the power of combining faith, business acumen, and a deep understanding of audiences. Throughout the conversation, Franklin offers insights into the nuances of faith-based filmmaking, the importance of marketing strategies, and the evolving landscape of entertainment. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: DeVon Franklin
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about DeVon Franklin:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeVon_FranklinInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/devonfranklin/
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2035952/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In Part 2 of this 2-part episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with the iconic Sharon Stone to discuss her journey through Hollywood, her experiences with fame, and her philanthropic endeavors. Stone shares personal stories about her rise to stardom, her approach to acting and producing, and lessons she has learned along the way.
Basic Instinct (00:53)
With the premiere of Basic Instinct at Cannes, Sharon Stone went from being a working actress to an international movie star. She discusses her experience at the Cannes Film Festival and describes the fan reaction and her sudden rise to fame.
Navigating Fame (08:57)
Sharon talks about preparing for red carpet events, and Kevin shares a story about what it was like to accompany Sharon in Cannes.
Mentors in Hollywood (13:45)
Sharon discusses the guidance she received from established actresses like Faye Dunaway, Shirley MacLaine, Diane Cannon, Angie Dickinson, and others who helped her with advice on the realities of fame.
Producing and Casting Instincts (17:38)
Sharon talks about her role in producing The Mighty. Kevin and Sharon discuss her eye for recognizing promising actors like Russell Crowe and Leonardo DiCaprio.
Philanthropy and AIDS Advocacy (27:36)
Sharon shares the origins of her involvement with amfAR and discusses the personal and professional impact of her advocacy work. Stone's commitment to AIDS advocacy showcases her willingness to use her platform for meaningful change, even at a potential cost to her career.
Balancing Career and Authenticity (34:56)
Sharon addresses misconceptions about being "difficult" in the industry and emphasizes her professionalism and work ethic on set.
Parenting and Personal Growth (39:08)
Sharon reflects on the challenges and rewards of being a parent and discusses the impact of parenthood on her personal development.
In Part Two of this two-part interview, Sharon reveals the depth of her character beyond her silver screen persona. From her candid reflections on fame to her commitment to philanthropy, Stone shows how she uses her platform for good. Her friendship with Kevin Goetz adds a personal touch to the conversation. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Sharon Stone
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Sharon Stone:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Stone
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonstone/?hl=en
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
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Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with his longtime friend, the legendary actress Sharon Stone. Sharon shares intimate stories about her upbringing, her journey into modeling and acting, and the challenges she has faced in the entertainment industry.
Humble Beginnings (2:00)
Sharon discusses her upbringing in the small farming community of Meadville, Pennsylvania, where her family struggled financially.
A Painful Childhood Lesson (9:12)
Sharon shares a painful childhood memory of being slapped by a popular girl in school, drawing parallels to the challenges she has faced in Hollywood. Kevin describes it as trying to “slap the different out of you,” and praises Sharon for persevering while opening herself up to criticism and ridicule.
The Craft of Acting (12:13)
Sharon and Kevin discuss her approach to acting and her preference for working with directors like Martin Scorcese in Casino, Paul Verhoeven in Basic Instinct, and Albert Brooks in The Muse, who prioritize the craft over ego. She stresses that she has never accepted a role solely for the money, always prioritizing the quality of the work.
Fair Compensation (15:56)
Sharon discusses the pay disparity between male and female actors in Hollywood, advocating for fair compensation. She highlights the importance of knowing her worth in the overall value of her films.
The Magic of Movies (18:22)
Sharon and Kevin talk about the importance of the moviegoing experience and the need for studio executives to understand the emotional connection people have with films. She stresses the significance of creating movies with emotional intelligence that evoke powerful emotions.
From Small-Town Beauty Queen to Model (20:29)
Sharon recounts her journey into modeling, starting with her participation in the Miss Crawford County pageant and her encounter with Muhammad Ali.
Working with Woody Allen and James Caan (25:39)
Sharon shares her experience getting her start as an extra on Woody Allen's Stardust Memories and how her part was expanded after impressing the director and cinematographer. She also discusses her instant rapport with James Caan on the set of a Claude Lelouch film.
In Part One of this two-part interview, Sharon Stone opens up about her journey from being a studious, small-town girl to a Hollywood icon through talent, perseverance, and commitment to her craft. Through this candid conversation with her close friend, Kevin Goetz, listeners gain an intimate look at the person behind the persona. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Sharon Stone
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes (DG Entertainment)
For more information about Sharon Stone:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Stone
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sharonstone/?hl=en
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with director and producer, Joseph McGinty Nichol, better known as McG. They discuss McG's journey in the entertainment industry, starting with music videos and leading to his directorial debut with Charlie's Angels, which had, at the time, the highest-grossing opening weekend for a directorial debut. Through his production company, Wonderland Sound and Vision, McG has overseen the production of films and television shows such as Terminator Salvation, This Means War, We Are Marshall, and Family Switch along with The OC, and Turner and Hooch for television. In this personal conversation, McG also touches on his struggles with agoraphobia, and the importance of audience feedback in the filmmaking process.
First Time Director with a Huge Budget (1:39)
McG shares his experience directing his first full-length feature film, Charlie's Angels, how Drew Barrymore helped him get the job, and how he nearly got fired multiple times due to the studio's concerns about the film's direction.
Living with Agoraphobia and Panic Attacks (9:51)
McG opens up about his struggles with agoraphobia, how it affected his career, including being fired from Superman Returns, and his path to live with the challenge.
Music Videos and Style in Filmmaking (21:49)
Kevin and McG discuss how music videos have influenced filmmakers like McG, Spike Jonze, Michael Bay, and David Fincher, helping them develop unique styles and voices in the industry.
The Secret to Success: Audience Testing (24:08)
McG reveals one of his secrets to success: working with Kevin Goetz and his audience testing process, which has helped him improve his films and connect with viewers.
Incorporating Audience Feedback on We Are Marshall (29:48)
McG recalls a specific audience feedback moment that led to a significant change in We Are Marshall, highlighting the importance of listening to, learning from, and respecting the audience.
Mentors and Influences (36:37)
McG discusses his primary filmmaking influences, including Alfred Hitchcock and Quentin Tarantino.
Kevin Goetz and McG explore the director's journey in the entertainment industry, his personal struggles, and the importance of audience feedback in the filmmaking process. The interview highlights the unique bond between the filmmaker and the audience researcher, showcasing how their collaboration can elevate a film's success. The pair close by discussing McG’s upcoming projects, Way of the Warrior Kid and Uglies. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: McG
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
Audio Engineer: Gary Forbes, DG Entertainment
For more information about McG:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McG
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mcgfilm/
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0629334/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," Kevin Goetz sits down with Greg Foster, former CEO of IMAX Entertainment and current owner of the entertainment and media consulting firm, Foster + Crew. Foster grew up immersed in the world of Hollywood, with a father who was a successful film producer. This early exposure to the industry laid the foundation for Foster's career. From his childhood memories of rubbing elbows with Hollywood royalty, to his pivotal role in the evolution of IMAX, to his more recent experiences as a sought-after consultant, Foster shares insider stories along with a unique perspective on the business of moviemaking and the cinematic experience.
Growing up in Hollywood and a memorable encounter with Mel Brooks (3:09)
Foster discusses his upbringing in Beverly Hills and the influence of his father, David Foster, a successful film producer, on his career path. He recounts a memorable experience early in his career at MGM/UA, where he delivered test screening results to Mel Brooks for the movie Spaceballs.
Steve McQueen, Ali MacGraw, and Greg’s Father (16:12)
Foster shares a story about his father's involvement in the production of The Getaway, starring Steve McQueen and Ali MacGraw, and the confrontation that ensued when MacGraw's then-husband, Robert Evans, discovered the affair between the two stars.
Apollo 13 and the evolution of IMAX (22:22)
The pair discuss the transformation of IMAX to a premier movie experience. IMAX's 2002 re-release partnership with Apollo 13, originally produced in 1995 by Academy Award winner Brian Grazer and directed by Oscar winner Ron Howard, marked a turning point for the company. It was the first Hollywood movie to be digitally remastered using IMAX DMR technology, showcasing IMAX's ability to enhance the emotional experience of a film.
Christopher Nolan and Batman Begins (29:15)
Kevin and Greg talk about the critical role of Warner Bros. and Christopher Nolan in the growth of IMAX, particularly with the release of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
Consulting with Foster + Crew (38:47)
Greg shares insights into his consulting firm, Foster + Crew, and the various services he provides to his clients in the entertainment industry.
The future of cinema in the streaming era (44:11)
Kevin and Greg touch on the impact of streaming on the theatrical experience and the future of cinema, post COVID, Barbenheimer and the 2023 Hollywood strikes.
From his early days at MGM/UA to his pivotal role in transforming IMAX into a global cinematic powerhouse, Foster's stories offer a fascinating glimpse into the evolving landscape of the film industry. Foster remains optimistic about the future of moviegoing, particularly with the impressive slate of films set for release in 2025. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Greg Foster
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Greg Foster:
Variety: https://variety.com/exec/greg-foster/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz engages in an insightful conversation with Bill Block, a renowned agent, executive producer, and former studio head. As a producer, Block played a pivotal role in the groundbreaking success of The Blair Witch Project. Block’s other films include the Oscar-nominated The Holdovers, Bad Moms, the critically acclaimed Fury, and the upcoming film Here starring Tom Hanks and Robin Wright. The pair delve into Block's remarkable career, the critical role of audience research in filmmaking, and the potential impact of artificial intelligence on the entertainment industry.
Bill Block's background and early career (1:47)
Bill shares his journey from starting as a secretary at the Irv Schechter agency to becoming a successful agent then moving on to form Artisan Entertainment.
The acquisition of Live Entertainment and the success of The Blair Witch Project (7:12)
Block shares the story behind the acquisition and distribution of The Blair Witch Project, a groundbreaking film that defied traditional marketing strategies and became a massive success.
Using audience research to make decisions on the Halloween franchise reboot (15:37)
Kevin and Bill discuss how audience research played a crucial role in the decision-making process for the Halloween franchise reboot.
Navigating the complexities of film financing (24:37)
Kevin and Bill discuss the financial deals behind Oliver Stone’s W., Bad Moms, and Jason Statham action films.
Bill's insights on packaging and financing independent films (35:39)
Block discusses the importance of attaching talent, securing presales, and finding the right equity partners to fill the financing gap. Block touches on films he has been involved with like Bad Moms, Fury, and Guy Ritchie’s The Gentleman.
The potential impact of AI on the entertainment industry (41:19)
Bill and Kevin explore the rapidly advancing world of artificial intelligence and its potential to disrupt the entertainment industry.
Bill Block's extensive experience, combining financial expertise with respect for the audience, makes him an invaluable voice in the entertainment industry. His insights into the evolving landscape of film financing, distribution, and the integration of artificial intelligence demonstrate his ability to navigate the complexities of the business. His stories and observations, shared in this engaging conversation with Kevin, offer a fascinating glimpse into the future of filmmaking. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media.
Next Guest: Greg Foster, Former CEO of IMAX Entertainment
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Bill Block
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Bill Block:
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1088848/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Block
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bill-block-ba3525104
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Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with veteran producer Carol Baum, whose impressive career includes working with Hollywood icons such as Dolly Parton, Barbara Streisand, Robert De Niro, Zendaya, and Steve Martin. Carol shares stories and insights from her decades in the film industry, discussing her work on memorable films like "Father of the Bride," "The Good Girl," "Dead Ringers," and "Flyaway Home." She also shares candid experiences as a studio executive at Fox and Lorimar, where she developed classic films like "Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone." With the recent release of her book, "Creative Producing," Carol provides a wealth of knowledge for aspiring filmmakers and industry professionals.
Carol’s Early Career and Education (07:42)
Carol discusses her early career, how a girl from South Orange, New Jersey with no Hollywood connections landed a job in publishing at Bantam Books, where she discovered "The Autobiography of Malcolm X" and how she went on to produce classic movies.
Studio Executive Roles (24:28)
As a studio executive, Carol worked with Jon Peters' company, where she learned the importance of a positive work environment. She then moved on to Fox, working under Joe Wizan, and experienced a culture shift when Larry Gordon and Scott Rudin joined the studio. At Lorimar, Carol developed classic films such as "An Officer and a Gentleman" and "The Dead Zone."
Father of the Bride, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Sandollar Productions (30:17)
Carol shares stories of working with Sandy Gallin and Dolly Parton at Sandollar Productions where she produced successful films like "Father of the Bride" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" while collaborating with Howard Rosenman.
Creative Producing (38:10)
Carol discusses her book, Creative Producing, where she emphasizes the importance of the development process and working closely with writers to refine scripts and make them better.
Working with Stars Like Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a Young Zendaya (42:53)
Carol shares her love for actors and their role in getting projects made. She considers Anthony Hopkins one of the greatest living actors and recounts her experiences working with Barbara Streisand, Steve Martin, and a young Zendaya.
Carol Baum's love for movies shines through and shows why she is so valuable to the film industry. Her willingness to share her experiences and lessons in this episode as well as in her book, Creative Producing, are sure to inspire and guide countless filmmakers If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Carol Baum
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Carol Baum:
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0062071/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Baum
Website: https://www.carolfriedlandbaum.com/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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In this episode of "Don't Kill the Messenger," host Kevin Goetz sits down with Melva Benoit, founder and president of the Marian Dupree Group. A trailblazer in research and consumer insights, Benoit has held senior executive positions in major media companies including Viacom, Disney, Turner, NBC Universal, and Fox. Together, they delve into her rich background in television market research, discussing her unique insights and experiences in the entertainment industry.
Benoit's Early Career (06:01)
Growing up in Houston, Texas, Benoit developed a love for television and aspired to be in charge of Saturday morning cartoons. She attended Howard University and began her career in research at King World, eventually moving to Cartoon Network and Comedy Central.
The Role of Research in Television (09:55)
Benoit explains the three main functions of research within media institutions: keeping the lights on, taking requests, and anticipating stakeholders' needs. She emphasizes the importance of research teams contributing to meetings even when there isn't a direct need for research.
Analyzing Successful TV Shows – Seinfeld, Friends, and South Park (20:08)
Benoit discusses the testing and success of shows like Seinfeld (20:08), Friends (23:57), and South Park (40:26). She highlights the importance of understanding how audiences learn to watch and relate to characters in television shows.
The Changing Landscape of Media (27:47)
The pair discuss the importance of the audience and the challenges of targeted advertising and the need for a more nuanced approach to understanding audiences.
Reframing Audience Measurement (29:20)
Goetz and Benoit discuss a new way of looking at marketing to consumers, focusing on shared attitudes, behaviors, and values rather than solely relying on demographic information. They emphasize the importance of reaching diverse audiences and the need for the advertising industry to adapt to this new way of thinking.
Melva Benoit's insights into the world of television market research shed light on the complex relationship between content creators, audiences, and advertisers. By advocating for a more nuanced understanding of entertainment consumers and embracing the changing media landscape, Benoit and Goetz offer a unique vision for the future of the industry. This engaging conversation highlights the importance of adaptability, creativity, and audience-centric thinking in the changing media landscape. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Melva Benoit
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Melva Benoit:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melvabenoit/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/MelvagBenoit
The Marian Dupree Group, Inc. https://linkedin.com/company/the-marian-dupree-group-llc/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with the multi-talented Colleen Camp. With a career spanning 6 decades in acting and over 2 decades in producing, Colleen is a true force in the entertainment industry. She has graced the screen in over 150 roles, including memorable performances in films like Clue, Die Hard with a Vengeance, Wayne's World, Election, and American Hustle. As a producer, Colleen has helped bring over 25 titles to life, showcasing her passion and dedication to the craft of filmmaking.
Current Projects and Cinema Landscape (1:40)
Colleen discusses her recent producing projects, including the films At the Gates and Day of the Fight, and the challenges of distribution in the current landscape.
The Art of Character Development (16:21)
Kevin and Colleen explore the significance of rhythm and accents in defining characters, drawing upon examples from Colleen's diverse acting roles. They discuss how these elements contribute to the authenticity and depth of a performance, allowing actors to fully embody their characters and captivate audiences.
Lessons from Legendary Directors (11:28)
Colleen shares lessons learned from collaborating with renowned directors such as Peter Bogdanovich, Francis Ford Coppola, Jonathan Lynn, and David O. Russell. She reflects on the insights gained from working with these industry giants, emphasizing the importance of adaptability, trust, and creative synergy between actors and directors.
Navigating Nudity in Film (32:30)
The conversation touches on Colleen's experience portraying a Playboy bunny in the iconic film Apocalypse Now. She candidly discusses her thoughts on nudity in film, the challenges faced by actors in such roles, and the evolution of attitudes towards on-screen intimacy over the years.
Standout Films of the Awards Season (54:13)
Kevin and Colleen engage in a lively discussion about the standout films from the current awards season, with a particular focus on The Holdovers and Oppenheimer.
Supporting Emerging Talent (59:41)
Colleen emphasizes the importance of supporting emerging filmmakers and the need for diverse, quality films to be distributed and celebrated. She stresses the significance of nurturing new voices in the industry and the role that established professionals can play in mentoring and advocating for up-and-coming talent.
Colleen Camp's passion for the entertainment industry shines through in this engaging conversation. Her ability to transform as an actress and her commitment to producing meaningful films make her a true treasure in the world of cinema. As an advocate for emerging talent and a believer in the power of the theatrical experience, Colleen continues to make a significant impact on the industry. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media.
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Colleen Camp
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Colleen Camp:
Rotten Tomatoes: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/colleen_camp
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_Camp
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0131974/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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Host and entertainment research expert Kevin Goetz sits down with talented screenwriter and director Nick Stoller. With a remarkable portfolio that includes hit comedy films like Forgetting Sarah Marshall, Get Him to the Greek, Neighbors, Bros, and the upcoming You’re Cordially Invited, Stoller provides a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at his creative process, his journey in the entertainment industry, and the invaluable role of audience research in shaping his critically acclaimed projects.
Nick Stoller's background and early influences (5:57)
Nick discusses his background and early influences, including growing up in Miami, attending boarding school in New Hampshire, and finding his passion for comedy writing at Harvard.
Pitching ideas to Judd Apatow and landing a job on "Undeclared" (11:33)
The pivotal moment when Judd Apatow hired Stoller for the show "Undeclared" based on his ability to pitch relatable college experiences that resonated with Apatow's comedic sensibilities.
The screening process for "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and lessons learned (15:19)
Stoller delves into the screening process for "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" and the invaluable lessons he learned about audience preferences, particularly their aversion to overtly sad characters and their love for characters in denial.
Collaborating with actors like Jason Segel and Rose Byrne (24:03)
Stoller talks about working with talented actors like Jason Segel and Rose Byrne, and the unique comedic talents each brings to a project.
Advice on cutting scenes and prioritizing the story over individual jokes (29:30)
Kevin and Nick offer insightful advice on cutting scenes and prioritizing the overall story arc over individual jokes, even highly comedic ones, if they undermine character development or audience engagement.
The reshoots for "Get Him to the Greek" and the importance of point of view (33:38)
Nick talks about his love of reshoots, and how the audience feedback led him to change the beginning of Get Him to the Greek.
Preparing for the first day of shooting with Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon (41:24)
Stoller discusses his preparation process before the first day of shooting with stars like Will Ferrell and Reese Witherspoon, emphasizing the importance of rehearsals and collaborative exploration.
Throughout the engaging conversation, Nick Stoller's passion for storytelling, his respect for the audience, and his collaborative approach shine through. From his beginnings as a writer to his current success as a director, Stoller's journey is a testament to the power of perseverance, creativity, and a deep understanding of human emotions. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Nick Stoller
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Nick Stoller:
Twitter: https://twitter.com/nicholasstoller
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Stoller
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0831557/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
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Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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Kevin Goetz sits down with acclaimed filmmaker Eli Roth.
Eli burst onto the scene in 2002 with his indie horror hit Cabin Fever and cemented his reputation with the extremely profitable Hostel films. Known for his intense horror style and flair for marketing, Eli has built a hugely successful directing career. His latest film, the holiday slasher Thanksgiving, was released last year by Sony Pictures and he is currently working on a science fiction action comedy film, Borderlands, scheduled to be released this summer. Kevin and Eli have worked closely together using test screenings to hone Eli's movies. Their rapport is on full display as they delve deep into Eli's creative process, his career ups and downs, and the vital role testing feedback plays in the final films you see in theaters.
Kevin and Eli Discuss Eli's Upbringing and Early Interest in Filmmaking (3:20)
Eli became interested in film at a young age after seeing movies like Pinocchio, Star Wars, and Alien. He started making short films as a kid with help from a mentor. By age 11 he was making animated shorts, stop-motion films, and horror movies with his brothers and friends.
Cabin Fever and Eli's Initial Resistance to Testing (27:09)
Cabin Fever initially tested terribly but went on to be very profitable. Eli learned to analyze test data for what works rather than just looking at scores.
Eli's Experience Working His Way Up in the Film Industry (31:42)
Eli talks about his odd jobs in the film industry while writing scripts, including as an extra, a set production assistant, and Howard Stern's assistant on Private Parts.
Working with Quentin Tarantino and Making the Hostel Films (37:12)
Quentin Tarantino mentored Eli on Hostel, helping him add more realism and unexpected details. Eli discusses testing multiple endings for Hostel.
Thanksgiving Test Screenings and Editing (42:15)
Eli details his experience testing Thanksgiving and learning from audience feedback to hone the right tone, pacing, and violence level. He trimmed 15 minutes after the first test screening based on feedback. Eli says he has come to value test screening input thanks to insights from Kevin.
Eli on the Power of Test Screenings (54:19)
Eli thanks Kevin for helping filmmakers understand how to read test screening data and what audiences want. He advises filmmakers to listen to test feedback even if they don't agree.
This fascinating conversation gives rare insight into Eli Roth's unique directorial vision and his journey to becoming one of Hollywood's most successful horror filmmakers. Eli's passion for the genre and gift for understanding audiences have been instrumental in crafting crowd-pleasing terror. His embrace of the test screening process, utilizing Kevin's expert analysis, demonstrates Eli's dedication to giving viewers the best experience possible.
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Eli Roth
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Eli Roth:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/realeliroth/
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Roth
IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744834/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevin-Goetz/9781982186678
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Join Kevin Goetz as he welcomes the host of Turner Classic Movies, Ben Mankiewicz. As a member of the illustrious Mankiewicz family, Ben provides a unique insider perspective, from delightful stories about his early life surrounded by Hollywood royalty to the privileges and expectations that come with having a famous name. He also shares colorful anecdotes about his father, who spurned the movie business in favor of making an impact through politics and public service. Throughout the episode, Ben brings his deep passion for film to life, offering thoughtful analysis and critiques on everything from beloved classics like Casablanca to defining what makes a movie truly great. His joy and encyclopedic knowledge when discussing cinema is infectious.
Ben's Family Legacy and Getting into Columbia (2:42)
Ben talks about his family's long history at Columbia and getting rejected initially despite his famous relatives.
Ben’s Father Spurning Hollywood for Public Service (8:08)
Ben recounts his father Frank Mankiewicz's remarkable transition from Hollywood entertainment lawyer to a member of the Peace Corps in Peru. He further elaborates on his father's notable career milestones, which encompassed serving as Robert F. Kennedy's press secretary and spearheading George McGovern's campaign.
Following His Own Path (9:15)
Ben compares his interests to his father's drive to make a difference rather than join the movie business.
Behind the Scenes of Turner Classic Movies (12:08)
Ben describes auditioning for TCM and having long discussions about movies, playing to his strengths. Ben says seeing The Barefoot Contessa on TCM right after his audition felt like a good omen he'd get the job because it was a Mankiewicz movie.
Ben's Takes on Classic Films (20:53)
Ben argues audiences over time, not just critics, determine what becomes a classic film based on emotional impact. Ben names Paths of Glory and Casablanca as his favorites for their emotional resonance.
On the Waterfront and the Problem with Kazan (33:47)
Ben expresses admiration for On the Waterfront, acknowledging its brilliance and emotional depth, particularly praising Eva Marie Saint's performance. However, he expresses disdain for Elia Kazan's decision to name names during the McCarthy era.
Mank and the Family Name (41:36)
Ben talks about being a Mankiewicz, and describes being incredibly moved by the 2020 biographical drama film Mank directed by David Fincher capturing Ben's grandfather Herman's spirit.
Whether you're a longtime TCM fan or simply love hearing little-known details about Hollywood history straight from the source, this podcast is a must-listen. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review or connect on social media. We look forward to bringing you more revelations from behind the scenes next time on Don't Kill the Messenger!
Host: Kevin Goetz
Guest: Ben Mankiewicz
Producer: Kari Campano
Writers: Kevin Goetz, Darlene Hayman, and Kari Campano
For more information about Ben Mankiewicz:
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Mankiewicz
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benmank77?lang=en
The Plot Thickens Podcast: https://theplotthickens.tcm.com/
For more information about Kevin Goetz:
Website: www.KevinGoetz360.com
Audienceology Book: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Audience-ology/Kevi - Se mer
