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  • This is my conversation with Martin Köppelmann, cofounder of Gnosis.

    Timestamps:
    - 00:00:00 intro
    - 00:01:47 sponsor: Privy
    - 00:03:08 Gnosis Pay as an onchain bank account
    - 00:13:49 security, passkeys and recovery
    - 00:21:19 privacy, Tornado Cash
    - 00:28:25 sponsor: Optimism
    - 00:29:35 AI agents as a new form of life
    - 00:36:43 training with prediction markets as RLHF
    - 00:46:00 agents and prediction markets as interconnected concepts
    - 00:56:21 why now for prediction markets
    - 01:09:08 outro

    Show notes:
    - Martin Köppelmann: https://twitter.com/koeppelmann
    - Prediction Prophet, an agent by Polywrap in collaboration with Autonolas and Gnosis: https://predictionprophet.ai/

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Into the Bytecode:
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab
    Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
    Other episodes - https://intothebytecode.com

    Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

  • This is my conversation with Varun Srinivasan - cofounder of Merkle Manufactory, the company building the Farcaster protocol and the Warpcast client.

    Timestamps:
    - 00:00:00 intro
    - 00:01:34 sponsor: Optimism
    - 00:02:44 Farcaster origins
    - 00:05:59 sufficient decentralization, namespaces, hubs and CRDTs
    - 00:16:02 type 1 vs type 2 decisions
    - 00:21:23 the protocol, channels, clients, spam
    - 00:30:13 direct messaging and end-to-end encryption
    - 00:36:38 a turing complete social protocol
    - 00:41:58 sponsor: Privy
    - 00:43:19 why frames
    - 00:52:14 Facebook, Twitter, Farcaster
    - 01:03:25 backstory, growing up in India, Microsoft, YC
    - 01:08:11 learnings from Coinbase
    - 01:15:13 building a company
    - 01:18:53 doing the one thing that matters
    - 01:28:07 outro

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Into the Bytecode:
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab
    Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
    Other episodes - https://intothebytecode.com

    Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

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  • This is my conversation with Rebecca Rettig and Michael Mosier. Rebecca is the Chief Legal and Policy Officer at Polygon Labs. Michael is cofounder of Arktouros and partner at Ex Ante.

    Timestamps:
    - 00:00:00 intro
    - 00:01:38 sponsor: Privy
    - 0:02:59 Rebecca's background, the Silk Road case, Aave, Polygon
    - 00:07:22 Michael's background, Department of Justice, FinCEN, Espresso Systems, the White House, ex/ante
    - 00:15:12 the current regulatory regime, Bank Secrecy Act, sanctions laws, miners/validators
    - 00:29:30 sponsor: Optimism
    - 00:30:40 genuine DeFi vs onchain CeFi, critical infrastructure
    - 00:44:54 Uniswap contracts, app vs protocol, wallet risk scoring, OFAC, Lazarus Group
    - 00:54:19 the Security Alliance (SEAL), white hats, working with the FBI
    - 01:08:04 why do this work, the ability to innovate in the US is a freedom
    - 01:12:13 crypto policy bootcamp
    - 01:14:00 outro

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Into the Bytecode:
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab
    Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
    Other episodes - https://intothebytecode.com

    Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

  • This is my conversation with Vitalik Buterin, creator of Ethereum.

    00:00:00 intro
    00:01:07 sponsor: Optimism
    00:02:17 micro prediction markets, community notes, AIs as participants
    00:14:13 decentralized social networks, zk identity, Dark Forest, and Frogcrypto
    00:25:54 the dense jungle
    00:30:08 sponsor: Privy
    00:31:29 political instability, technology
    00:34:16 coordination and technology in climate
    00:36:13 AI, debugging and drawing, agency, security
    00:44:02 timeline for the singularity
    00:52:36 living to a 1000 years old
    00:54:00 brain-computer interfaces
    01:02:15 Lojban

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Into the Bytecode:
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab
    Farcaster - https://warpcast.com/sinahab
    Other episodes - https://intothebytecode.com

    Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

  • This is my conversation with Hart Lambur. We talk about Hart's path in building UMA (an oracle using schelling points to bring data onchain), Across (an intents-based bridge connecting ETH/L2s), and now Oval (MEV capture for oracle price updates).


    Timestamps:

    00:00:00 Intro00:01:29 Sponsor: Privy (privy.io)00:02:50 The idea maze, Goldman Sachs, RFQ systems, legal vs smart contracts00:11:03 UMA, schelling point and optimistic oracle00:16:41 Raising the seed round00:19:38 Across, intent-based bridging architecture00:30:42 Sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)00:31:52 Oval00:46:15 MEV capture for protocols01:01:22 Outro

    Into the Bytecode:
    More episodes - https://intothebytecode.com
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Disclaimer: this podcast is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice or a recommendation to buy or sell securities. The host and guests may hold positions in the projects discussed.

  • This is my conversation with Jesse Pollak. He led retail engineering at Coinbase for many years — building Coinbase, Coinbase Pro, and Coinbase Wallet. More recently, he is leading the development of Base, Coinbase's L2 built on the OP Stack.

    00:00:00 intro
    00:01:43 sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
    00:03:07 motivation behind Base
    00:11:12 pitching Base to the Coinbase exec team
    00:14:24 challenges of innovating on a schedule
    00:17:54 failing repeatedly to find the right answer
    00:22:09 decision to build an L2 with Michael
    00:23:30 convincing Surojit Chatterjee, Coinbase’s CPO
    00:24:59 launching Base internally
    00:31:58 blockchains as serverless compute
    00:36:53 uniswap as a serverless API for currency conversion
    00:39:30 the power of small but leveraged teams
    00:42:31 how to straddle product building in the onchain and offchain world
    00:45:25 sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
    00:51:22 the significance of THIS moment in Crypto
    00:53:56 getting a 100M devs and 1B users onchain
    00:57:02 how the NFT UX will change with Base
    01:10:13 how crypto will be incorporated in applications
    01:14:00 the risk of onchain heterogeneity
    01:17:27 building privacy-oriented onchain platforms
    01:26:00 upgrading the financial system
    01:28:33 attending Quaker School
    01:34:43 relentless positivity in life
    01:38:47 building a better future

    Jesse Pollak:
    jesse.xyz on ETH
    Twitter
    Github

    Into the Bytecode:
    More episodes and transcripts - https://intothebytecode.xyz/
    Newsletter - https://bytecode.substack.com
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io


    Relevant Links:
    Base - https://base.org/
    Coinbase - https://www.coinbase.com/
    Brian Armstrong - https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong
    Surojit Chatterjee Coinbase’s CPO - https://www.coinbase.com/blog/welcome-surojit-chatterjee-coinbases-chief-product-officer
    OP Stack - https://stack.optimism.io/
    Uniswap - https://uniswap.org/
    Goldfinch - https://goldfinch.finance/
    Zora - https://zora.co/

    Produced by Spectral.to

  • This is my conversation with Liam Horne, former CEO and advisor to Optimism Labs.

    00:00 Intro
    00:59 sponsor: Privy (privy.io)
    03:35 early influences, classmates with Vitalik in Waterloo
    08:31 Ethereum's potential and why scalability matters
    10:06 learning from Jeff Coleman
    17:23 defining a common language
    21:06 importance of community in Ethereum
    26:34 hackathons lead to progress
    31:36 collaboration as a core ETH value
    38:30 humility and collective learning
    47:27 building a public good
    53:07 building Optimism with Ethereum values
    01:09:27 sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)
    01:17:41 decentralization is a journey
    01:20:59 staying true to your principles
    01:32:51 building something new is difficult
    01:36:28 Jing Wang
    01:42:10 Georgios Konstantopoulos

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Into the Bytecode:
    Other episodes and transcripts - https://intothebytecode.xyz/
    Newsletter for updates - https://bytecode.substack.com
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab

    Relevant Links:
    University of Waterloo https://uwaterloo.ca/

    (Almost) Everything you need to know about Optimistic Rollup by Georgios Konstantopoulos https://www.paradigm.xyz/2021/01/almost-everything-you-need-to-know-about-optimistic-rollup

    ETHGlobal https://ethglobal.com/


    Produced by https://spectral.to

  • This is my conversation with Aya Miyaguchi, Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation.

    00:00 intro

    01:20 sponsor: Optimism (optimism.io)

    02:38 reflecting on early days of Ethereum

    9:01 Ethereum as an Infinite Garden

    19:14 books and ideas that influenced Aya

    24:54 the insignificance of titles

    32:02 what does “Executive Director of the Ethereum Foundation” mean?

    40:33 the “teacher” mindset and how it applies to management

    47:24 the importance of diversity

    51:41 sponsor: Privy (privy.io)

    53:03 the idea of subtraction and how it plays out in practice

    1:05:42 funding in a non-profit context

    1:08:48 why it’s difficult to describe the potential of Ethereum

    1:16:46 embracing imperfection

    1:20:43 learning from (un)natural disasters

    1:33:20 what the 'next billion' means for Ethereum

    1:42:59 Ethereum in emerging economies

    1:49:09 outro


    Relevant Links:
    Finite and Infinite Games by James Carse - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finite_and_Infinite_Games
    Aya on Executing with Subtraction - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noXPewi5qOk
    Ethereum Foundation - https://ethereum.org/en/foundation/

    Thank you to our sponsors for making this podcast possible:
    Optimism - https://optimism.io
    Privy - https://privy.io

    Into the Bytecode:
    Other episodes and transcripts - https://intothebytecode.xyz/
    Newsletter for updates - https://bytecode.substack.com
    Twitter - https://twitter.com/sinahab

  • This is my conversation with Dan Romero about Farcaster - a decentralized social network being developed as an open protocol.

    We talked about how product decisions in social networks have ripple effects on society, Farcaster’s strategy in the highly competitive world of social products, and Dan's personal philosophies around hiring and team building.

    Timestamps:

    0:00 intro

    2:08 why this problem?

    12:54 both product and protocol

    23:41 the algorithmic feed

    29:40 Farcaster’s strategy for competing with Twitter

    1:00:52 approach to team building

    1:14:41 how to use social networks, and meme’ing

    Relevant links:

    Dan Romero - https://twitter.com/dwr

    Farcaster - https://www.farcaster.xyz/

    Farcaster docs - https://github.com/farcasterxyz/protocol

    Varun - https://twitter.com/varunsrin

    Keybase - https://keybase.io/

  • This is my conversation with Jango and Nnnnicholas from Juicebox Protocol. Juicebox is a playful but ambitious project: the DAO operates as a full-stack instantiation of the protocol it's building, and fully reconceptualizes the relationship between contributors and shareholders. It has powered projects like SharkDAO, ConstitutionDAO, and AssangeDAO in the past.

    Timestamps:

    0:00 intro

    1:37 an alternative to traditional org structures

    9:53 philosophical alignment

    27:30 the key mechanisms of the Juicebox Protocol

    35:51 fundraising mechanics and the extensibility of Juicebox v2

    46:05 a DAOs’s origins shape its culture

    54:46 guiding principles for compensation

    1:02:06 working backwards from the future

    1:12:11 the subtraction philosophy and Ethereum as the Big Bang

    1:31:25 StudioDAO and models for permissionless DAOs

    Relevant links:

    Jango - https://twitter.com/me_jango

    Nnnnicolas - https://twitter.com/nnnnicholas

    Juicebox - https://juicebox.money/

    Nouns - https://nouns.wtf/

    StudioDAO - https://www.studiodao.xyz/

    Juicecast podcast about StudioDAO - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-9-kenny-from-studiodao/id1623504302?i=1000576149672

  • Nadia Asparouhova is an independent researcher. She previously wrote about her research on open-source communities in "Working in Public", and more recently, has been researching the history of and approaches to philanthropy - which she defines with this phrase “if venture capital is risk capital for private goods, philanthropy is risk capital for public goods”.

    In this conversation, we talked about public goods from this broader perspective. We talked about how previous generations have thought about this question, and how the tech ecosystem outside of crypto are grappling with this today. We talked about the second-order effects of wealth booms which have happened in both tech and crypto, how peer production happens, and the role that intrinsic versus extrinsic rewards might play in the development of crypto protocols.

    Timestamps:

    0:00 intro

    2:01 working as an independent researcher

    6:09 understanding wealth booms in tech and crypto

    13:01 the unique perspectives of each successive community

    25:46 the right (and wrong) question to ask

    34:41 the landscape of public goods provisioning

    39:22 innovative philanthropic funding models

    45:35 the first wave of open source communities and crypto

    54:42 different classes of stakeholders

    1:05:00 research methodology and tools for thought


    Relevant links:

    Nadia Asparouhova - https://twitter.com/nayafia

    Nadia’s website - https://nadia.xyz/

    “Working in Public” - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578675862/

    Gitcoin - https://gitcoin.co/

  • Julien Niset is the cofounder and Chief Science Officer at Argent, a crypto wallet that's used and loved by many people in the crypto ecosystem.
    In this conversation, we talk about how Argent has evolved to get to where it is today. How Julien sees user experience evolving broadly in the ecosystem, and what the flow of a new person interacting with a crypto application for the first time might look like in the future.

    Another topic we get into deeply is L2s, how Julien and Argent have thought about the topic of EVM equivalence and compatibility, and why they ultimately chose to build on ZK Rollups like ZkSync and StarkNet.

    And lastly, we dive into what has been like to build on StarkNet, what the early community feels like today, what it's been like to write code in Cairo, and as a bit of a snapshot into this experience we do a deep dive into what account abstraction looks like on StarkNet.

    Timestamps:

    0:00 intro

    1:56 leaning into zk rollups and account abstraction

    7:29 scaling the self-custody experience

    13:20 what onboarding users to crypto will look like in 3 years

    20:24 some of the friction points that still need to be abstracted

    33:52 L2s and the trade-offs between different rollups

    39:45 is breaking EVM-equivalency worth it?

    48:01 Julien's experience in the StarkNet ecosystem

    58:24 a primer on account abstraction

    1:15:38 session keys

    1:28:17 starting a sensible wallet set up from scratch


    Relevant links:

    Julien Niset: https://twitter.com/jniset

    Argent - https://www.argent.xyz/

    StarkNet - https://starkware.co/starknet/

    zkSync - https://zksync.io/

    Topology - https://www.topology.gg/

  • Pedro Gomes is the cofounder of WalletConnect, a communications protocol that enables wallets and apps to securely connect and interact.

    In this conversation, We talked about WalletConnect v2 and its architecture, account abstraction, potential downstream effects of a crypto-native chat protocol, and other topics.

    Timestamps:

    0:00 intro

    8:00 developing the user experience before creating the product

    10:23 account abstraction and the spectrum of security and convenience

    20:39 WalletConnect APIs and “Log in with Ethereum”

    28:55 how WalletConnect works

    37:45 light clients and generalized messaging protocols

    45:36 the politics of making big changes to the Ethereum protocol

    50:14 connecting wallets with WalletConnect Chat

    Mentioned in the show:

    WalletConnect - https://walletconnect.com/

    EIP2938 (account abstraction) - https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-2938

    WalletConnect APIs - https://docs.walletconnect.com/2.0

  • Here is my conversation with Josh Stark.

    Josh has a long history in the Ethereum ecosystem going back to the early days of the community. He cofounded one of the first L2 scaling protocols with Counterfactual. He also cofounded ETHGlobal which is a much-loved series of hackathons/events that brings the community together and which acts as an entry point into the ecosystem for many people. And nowadays and most relevant to our conversation, he works in a leadership capacity at the Ethereum Foundation.

    In this conversation, we talked about two topics: one being the Ethereum Foundation, and two being the question of why blockchain is matter — this being something that Josh has spent a lot of time thinking about and which he's written about in a long form piece titled Atoms Institutions Blockchains.

    Timestamps:

    3:50 subtraction

    7:22 creating a self-sufficient crypto ecosystem

    12:33 the property of ‘hardness’ for blockchains

    17:47 understanding decentralization

    23:11 Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains

    26:00 blind men and an elephant

    33:06 our civilization’s infrastructure

    43:33 digitally-native hardness

    59:38 how the EF operates

    1:06:21 challenges with decentralized coordination

    1:12:08 infinite players have nothing but their names

    Mentioned in the show:

    Atoms, Institutions, Blockchains: https://stark.mirror.xyz/n2UpRqwdf7yjuiPKVICPpGoUNeDhlWxGqjulrlpyYi0

  • 0age is the Head of Protocol Development at OpenSea, and this was a conversation about Seaport, the new marketplace protocol for buying and selling NFTs.

    0age takes us through a tour of the Seaport protocol, talking about how it's architected; how conduits and zones work; and we even get into the low level gas optimization work they've done on the contracts. I hope this can be a helpful resource for anyone looking to understand the Seaport protocol or anyone who's building with NFTs more broadly. I also consider 0age to be a true veteran of the space, and hearing him talk through the design of the protocol can be an educational experience in its own rights.

    Timestamps:

    1:42 why build Seaport

    10:20 the Seaport architecture

    12:44 EIP712 signatures

    14:17 the global concept of a nonce

    16:02 EIP1271 and bulk listings

    17:18 the Executor and conduits

    25:08 zones, additional rules that can be applied on top of an order

    29:47 implementing English auctions via zones

    32:17 layers of the stack

    36:05 fulfillment

    40:42 gas optimizations and understanding the low-level behavior of the EVM

    58:40 the interaction between OpenSea the product and Seaport the protocol

    01:07:06 criteria based items, and partial fills

    01:17:50 ideas to build on top of Seaport

  • Charles St.Louis is the COO at Element Finance, a protocol for fixed and variable rate yield markets and previously the governance architect at MakerDAO. In this conversation, we talked about Element’s governance system - with a particular focus on voting vaults, a powerful new primitive that decouple the relationship between capital and voting power and allow much more expressiveness in how users are given a governance voice in the ecosystem.

    Timestamps:
    2:54 MakerDAO’s arc of decentralization
    7:51 how Maker influenced Element’s design
    10:22 the Governance Steering Council
    21:25 voting vaults
    29:10 L1 and L2 for governance
    33:23 qualitative evaluation for contributions
    37:50 the ElFiverse and NFTs in the Element community
    42:24 on being a protocol delegate

    Mentioned in the show:
    The Governance Steering Council - https://medium.com/element-finance/the-governance-steering-council-63aea7732262
    Voting Vaults - https://docs.element.fi/governance-council/council-protocol-smart-contracts/voting-vaults
    The Elfiverse - https://elfiverse.element.fi/

  • Here is my conversation with Henri Stern who is building Privy.
    Henri was previously a research scientist at Protocol Labs and worked on Filecoin’s consensus protocol. And after many years of thinking through problems related to data privacy and security, he recently co-founded a new company called Privy where they provide a suite of API tools to store and manage user data off chain.

    In this conversation, we talked through a set of topics that Henri has a unique point of view on — starting with the question around the seeming trade-off between privacy/security on the one hand and UX/convenience on the other. We talked about principles he has in mind in designing an off-chain data system; how privy does encryption and key management; how they do permissioning; and how they think about data storage.

    Timestamps:

    2:30 - designing the product/protocol roadmap10:30 - privacy/security vs. convenience19:27 - building an web3 application23:20 - decentralizing Privy32:09 - key management architecture46:11 - verifiability, transparency as a disinfectant59:02 - building a product with private data1:07:08 - cofounder relationship
  • Matthew Chaim is building a laboratory experimenting at the edges of music and web3.
    It's called Songcamp, and right now they're running their third immersive experience. They're coming together with a group of musicians, visual designers, developers, and at the end of this process, will be releasing new music under the moniker of a single headless artist called Chaos.
    I've been personally completely nerdsniped by Songcamp and think it’s one of the most beautiful corners of our web3 ecosystem.

    Timestamps:

    1:08 - Songcamp a web3 laboratory3:27 - songwriting camps6:30 - imaginative language and lore11:12 - incentive alignment20:55 - selection and curation30:31 - immersive digital theatre36:18 - having fun38:03 - the power of IRL43:01 - what’s next51:37 - economic models for internet-native collectives
  • Here is my conversation with Simon de la Rouviere.

    Simon’s exploration of creative mechanism design through the years is documented on his blog. His contributions to the space range from seeding the idea of bonding curves and curation markets, to building one of the first creator platforms with Ujo, to writing a full length novel experimenting with different publishing models, to now working on bottom-up storytelling with Untitled Frontier.

    In this conversation, we talked about cc0, designing NFT economies to welcome derivative works, bottom-up storytelling, and much more.

    Timestamps:

    1:29 - How Simon got into the craft of storytelling6:25 - The lonely process of long-form content creation9:53 - Kishƍtenketsu14:26 - Top-down vs. bottom-up storytelling21:52 - “The medium is the message.”27:17 - CC0, derivatives, Jenkins the Valet34:43 - Harberger Taxes and mechanism design39:51 - NFTs vs ERC20s for ownership and governance44:06 - New power structures
  • Here is my conversation with David Greenstein, Matt Masurka (Gigamesh), & Vignesh Hirudayakanth, the cofounders at Sound.xyz.

    Sound is a platform that helps musicians host listening parties and engage with their fans. It's a suite of tools that will grow over time to help musicians make a living using NFTs and other web3-native primitives.

    I was particularly looking forward to this conversation since David, Matt, and Vignesh participated in Zeitgeist Season One and we got to work pretty closely together. They're moving fast and are working towards a beautiful vision of the world.

    Timestamps:

    3:42 - Redefining engagement between artists and fans7:23 - MySpace, HypeMachine, Optimism, and Friends With Benefits12:50 - Using Discord DMs for recruiting16:53 - NFTs as the perfect medium for music patronage20:34 - Fair-play incentive structures for music26:25 - Differentiating the first fan and the millionth fan32:03 - The technical architecture underpinning Sound34:33 - Getting to market and building in public39:45 - Oshi breaks the website41:37 - The Daniel Allan EP42:14 - RAC and deploying to mainnet44:12 - Zeitgeist’s impact