Episoder
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Overview:
Join us in our season one finale where we do a deep dive into the nature of deception detection via nonverbal baselines. We also discuss how you can derive conclusions about people you already know by developing a behavioral baseline on them by observing their patterns over time. Lastly we have a discussion of mindfulness and why it is of extreme importance to both observation and deduction.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
Follow up:
[00:00:20] closing out season 1
[00:01:18] Listener statistics review
[00:04:07] Listener comments review
[00:08:25] Has Jordan been listening to too much Jordan Peterson?
Baselines:
[00:15:33] Logan explains what baselines are from a nonverbal standpoint
[00:16:51] Logan talks about different types of baselines, and how personality can sometimes be reflected in minor ways in the baseline
[00:222:37] Jordan asks Logan if baselines serve as an exemplar for a specific individual rather than there being “types” of baselines
[00:24:04] Jordan discusses the concept of a “deductive behavioral baseline” for reading people that you know or observe over time.
[00:31:32] why patience is so critical for a deductionist and the importance of practice.
[00:38:25] Can a body language baseline change over time?
[00:44:07] changes in a deductive behavioral baseline.
[00:48:17] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
Lie detection:
[00:49:03] how to determine the baseline of someone for the first time.
[00:51:32] Lie detection and hypothesis testing.
[00:58:07] Logan discusses how you determine if a deviation from a baseline is significant, and defines positive and negative spikes in baselines.
[01:01:58] When body language anomalies are just anomalies with no significance to your read or question.
[01:06:58] Jordan and Logan discuss why context is key, and one tell or piece of evidence is not the be all end all for a good read.
Mindfulness:
[01:11:30] Jordan and Logan define mindfulness.
[01:16:01] Jordan discusses how mindfulness meditation works
[01:19:50] Mindfulness and the scientific thought process.
[01:23:11] Deduction story time
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Overview:
Join us on this special edition episode of Mindreader where we do a deep dive into the minds of serial killers and psychopaths, in celebration of the release of season two of the Netflix original Mindhunder.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
Follow up:
[00:00:45] Logan’s podcast infidelity
[00:05:32] Where have we been? Excuses and promises…
[00:12:39] Listener comments review
[00:18:59] Listener statistics review
The psychology of psychopaths and serial killers:
[00:22:36] Jordan discusses the psychology of serial killers, breaking it down and also discusses the release of mindhunter season 2
[00:24:18] Jordan explains the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths.
The Mask of Sanity: https://amzn.to/31L2OVX
[00:28:13] Jordan discusses the neurology of psychopaths mentioning Dr. Kent Kiehl’s work with FMRI scans.
The Psychopath Whisperer: https://amzn.to/2KGDieN
[00:31:08] Jordan explains how a sociopath is made.
[00:32:08] Logan on the psychology and body language behind the psychopath stare.
[00:34:46] Jordan and Logan tackle the questions of if psychopaths feel emotions, can they learn from negative experience, and if they can become aware of their own psychopathy.
[00:41:31] Jordan discusses hyper-normal white-collar criminal psychopaths.
[00:43:27] Logan on the cognitive trade off hypothesis, and the research of Testuro Matsuzawa.
Mindfield S3 E1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktkjUjcZid0
[00:46:07] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
Discord: https://discord.gg/wwZadH6
[00:46:53] Jordan on how psychopathy or an antisocial personality is only one of the parts that makes a serial killer, and discusses the other major part, sexual deviancy.
[00:48:31] Jordan on escalating behavior
[00:50:22] Jordan and Logan discuss how many of the studies done on serial killers, and criminal profiling are scientifically suspect.
[00:51:59] Jordan on the importance of being able to empathize and understand a murder’s intent and motivations. Logan iterates how important it is not to bring emotional baggage into scientific study.
[00:56:31] Logan mentions his experience in bible college with biased viewpoints and poor arguments.
[00:58:33] Jordan discusses the serial killer’s tendency to rehearse and fantasize about their crime before committing it.
[00:59:22] Jordan on signature vs MO, and what is the difference between the two.
[01:03:19] Logan discusses how serial killers and psychopaths don’t show shame and why that is.
[01:09:14] Logan on the body language of Ted Bundy.
[01:11:50] Jordan asks Logan if the feet are the most honest part of the body for psychopaths.
[01:17:05] Logan and Jordan on studying the body language and behavior of violent criminals.
[01:22:43] Deduction story time
[01:25:51] The psychology of why some people prefer cats or dogs.
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Mangler du episoder?
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Overview:
Join us on this pivotal episode of mindreader where we discuss the future of the Art of Deduction, and the frustrations of youtubing in a niche community. Also stay tuned for overviews of Paul Ekman and Chase Hughes and their respective research in the fields of nonverbal communication and social engineering, as well as our studies that we want to conduct.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
Follow up:
[00:01:48] Why Logan is really likable.
[00:03:44] Logan and Jordan discuss the experience of the crapshoot of starting a podcast.
[00:12:27] Logan brings up the recent Netflix Ted Bundy movie.
[00:14:56] Jordan discusses the future of his channel, The Art of Deduction.
[00:28:31] Logan talks about his frustrations with YouTube
[00:34:42] Jordan talks about tuning out YouTube statistics and comments.
[00:42:54] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:43:40] Logan talks about the differences between sherlockians and deductionists.
[00:52:43] The age of Sherlock Clickbait is over.
[00:57:36] shockingly enough there are people outside the internet who do stuff, and we take the time here today to talk about a couple of such people, the first of which is Paul Ekman.
Paul Ekman’s resources:
Telling lies: https://www.amazon.com/Telling-Lies-Marketplace-Politics-Marriage/dp/0393337456/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=telling+lies&qid=1557612625&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Emotions Revealed: https://www.amazon.com/Emotions-Revealed-Second-Recognizing-Communication/dp/0805083391/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=emotions+revealed&qid=1557612656&s=gateway&sr=8-3
https://www.paulekman.com
[01:04:54] enneagram jokes.
[01:06:30] Jordan talks about Chase Hughes and modern NVC research.
Chase Hughes resources:
The Ellipsis Manual: https://www.amazon.com/Ellipsis-Manual-analysis-engineering-behavior/dp/0692819908/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3MQAWXMKVYDG3&keywords=the+ellipsis+manual&qid=1557612806&s=gateway&sprefix=the+ellipsis+%2Caps%2C150&sr=8-2
https://www.chasehughes.com
[01:14:18] Logan talks about his desire to do a microexpressions study.
[01:17:47] Jordan follows up on his fingernail study from last year.
[01:21:47] Jordan talks about his desire to do a study in accents.
[01:29:21] Deduction story time.
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Overview:
Join us in this episode where we follow up on our discussions of moral philosophy from episode 4 relating it back to the psychopath problem, and then go on to discuss time management, mechanisms of memory, the utilitarian acquisition of knowledge, the pros and cons of different memory systems, and timeliness.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
[00:00:22] our follow up discussion starts off about as meta as a follow up discussion can get with Jordan talking about his inability to remember the word “follow up” in the previous episode.
[00:00:44] The question on everybody’s mind: are we boring??
[00:02:59] Moral philosophy and the psychopath model.
[00:23:56] Logan discusses what distractions pop up in his life day to day and how he deals with them.
[00:28:42] Jordan talks about the distractions he deals with day to day and what steps he has been taking to deal with them.
[00:31:28] Our thoughts on depression and dealing with depression.
[00:38:27] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:39:27] Logan discusses his intuitive methods of time management.
[00:42:57] Jordan discusses why he is bad at time management.
[00:44:28] Jordan talks about how to drill deduction techniques using the Humans of New York Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/humansofnewyork/
[00:45:43] Jordan explains the difference between the memory system known as the mind palace, and Conan Doyle’s conception of memory known as the mind attic.
[00:51:47] Logan explains the mind palace.
[00:56:36] The pros and cons of different memory systems and why visual memory systems work so well
[01:01:59] Jordan discusses how to maintain your mind palace, as you can forget things that have been stored there without regular upkeep.
[01:04:54] The subjectivity of the senses.
[01:06:59] Jordan asks if the news ever catches Logan by Surprise.
[01:09:24] The difficulties of being a timely body language reader on youtube.
[01:14:06] Dealing with trolls.
[01:19:32] Deduction Storytime.
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Overview:
In this week’s episode we tackle cultural based deductions and how you have to have a flexible knowledge base that adapts to the times so that you don’t make antiquated associations based on past norms. This is not the 1890’s so many of the deductions that Sherlock Holmes makes in the original cannon simply will not work in the 21’st century. Given the ever changing nature of our society it is imperative that one has a solid grasp of the underlying psychology of body language, and how people seek acceptance, as well as how that relates to specific cultures in the modern world.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
[00:01:42] We start off the episode with a little bit of follow up talking about the experience of doing a podcast.
[00:05:37] Jordan on culture specific deductions.
[00:07:24] Jordan discusses what his trip to Paris taught him.
[00:11:16] Logan on what body language is universal and what is culturally based.
[00:13:50] The body language of Italy, and the phenomenon of occupied nations/peoples.
[00:18:37] Logan talks about what the carry-over is between different cultures in regards to normal, unconscious, body language parlance.
[00:25:12] The Freeze Fight Flight response explained.
[00:29:04] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:29:51] Jordan on how cultural norms change over time and how that has to be factored into deduction.
[00:37:37] The psychology of community acceptance.
[00:47:34] Our thoughts on the online deduction community.
[00:53:26] Individualism vs. collectivism.
[00:56:13] Logan talks about the mistakes people tend to make with one of the most common deductions people make, dominant hand, and how to avoid those mistakes.
[00:59:26] Jordan on politics and reality and the stories we tell ourselves.
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Overview:
In this episode of mindreader we go on a deep dive into the relationship between deduction and ethics, define what profiling is, and discuss personality tests and personality metrics. We talk about how body language and physical tells all contribute to your ability to read a person’s personality, and what things in specific to watch out for.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
Music License:
5f84a28fc88126ca40706b3992a63bfb
[00:01:49] Logan starts our conversation on ethics with the importance of people’s right to privacy. https://www.paulekman.com/blog/dangers-reading-micro-expressions/
[00:05:15] Jordan talks about the capacity for malevolence
[00:07:42] Are people basically good?
[00:10:02] Jordan makes the case that the emergence of moral structures has a Darwinian component.
[00:13:09] Logan talks about the experiences in his life that informed his moral code.
[00:18:27] How Jordan got started in video making.
[00:21:24] Jordan talks about his moral philosophy and those things in his life that contributed to it.
[00:23:55] How can one use deduction or reading people in a therapeutic, or beneficial way?
[00:26:51] The importance of becoming acquainted with your shadow
[00:31:16] Psychopaths and sociopaths
[00:34:32] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:35:19] differentiating psychological profiling from racial profiling
[00:39:13] Jordan gives a definition of profiling
[00:43:58] Logan discusses his favorite personality test:
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality
https://www.truity.com/test/big-five-personality-test
https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test
[00:50:37] Jordan discusses the Big Five personality test, and how it can be integrated into deduction and profiling
[01:04:24] Logan brings up the inherent flaws and problems with personality tests, and the overreliance upon them
[01:07:16] The phenomenon of sub personalities
[01:09:28] Talking to yourself helps with problem solving:
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1963-00468-001
[01:11:53] Logan discusses how body language relates to personality
[01:13:51] Logan discusses how to differentiate the body language of circumstances from the body language of personality.
[01:17:14] Deduction story time
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Overview:
Our first interview could not have been with a better guest. We invite you to join us in our conversation with the Real-Life Sherlock Holmes himself, Mr. Ben Cardall. Ben is a successful mentalist, dubbed “the deductionist” who focuses his performance art around the application of deduction. He has written a prolific work on deduction called The Monographs, which is a must-read for novices and veterans of deduction alike.
The Monographs: https://www.amazon.com/Monographs-comprehensive-manual-become-Deductionist/dp/1780928505/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?crid=3AEUQ83DQ97BN&keywords=the+monographs+ben+cardall&qid=1551902171&s=gateway&sprefix=the+monographs%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
Ben Cardall:
https://www.bencardall.com
https://www.facebook.com/BenCardallUkMentalistmindreaderhypnotist/
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4-_FoMtz95usjzrwQjydPA
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
[00:00:16] Ben talks about how he got into Deduction.
[00:04:00] Ben defines “deduction”.
[00:09:37] Logan inquires as to what Ben was like before he became a deductionist, and if looking back there was any hint that this was the road he would have gone down even before Holmes became an influence.
[00:14:23] We each comment on how deduction has become an integral part of who we are.
[00:17:33] Ben tells the story of writing the mongraphs. https://www.amazon.com/Monographs-comprehensive-manual-become-Deductionist/dp/1780928505/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1?crid=3AEUQ83DQ97BN&keywords=the+monographs+ben+cardall&qid=1551902171&s=gateway&sprefix=the+monographs%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-1-fkmrnull
[00:19:37] Ben talks about how The Monographs was written as a book for everyone regardless of their skill level.
[00:25:16] Ben’s tips for people conducting their own studies beyond the monographs.
[00:29:24] Ben’s frustration with instant gratification and pop psychology
[00:32:37] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:33:24] Ben explains how he began his pursuit of a career in mentalism.
[00:36:20] Ben talks about how he integrated deduction into his mentalism routine and how the routine then began to revolve around deduction.
[00:42:30] How Ben deals with hecklers.
[00:45:29] Logan makes the observation that the sort of people who like to have a standoff about deduction are almost like people who watch medical dramas arguing with real doctors.
[00:46:11] Ben talks about deducing a person’s occupation
[00:54:40] Deduction Story Time
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Overview:
In our second episode of Mindreader we further clear up who we are and what we do by explaining some of the things that we are not, and why we don’t align with those professions and or “methods”. From psychics to conspiracy theorists, join us on this stroll through fraud and crazy town while we look for some facts.
Jordan Accardo: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Porteneir: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
[00:03:11] Logan talks about how he deals with cognitive biases day to day.
[00:06:01] Jordan talks about how he deals with cognitive biases day to day.
[00:10:00] Logan explains psychics:
Logan’s Defrauding Psychics YouTube series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inmd91KC_B0&list=PLcn33nBS8IKeoWv3lMKzfPvVrffN1Oa7A
Tricks of the Mind by Derren Brown:https://www.amazon.com/Tricks-Mind-Paperback-DERREN-BROWN/dp/1905026358/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=tricks+of+the+mind&qid=1551317157&s=gateway&sr=8-1
[00:15:26] Jordan’s thoughts on the phenomenon of psychics.
[00:19:56] Logan on tarot card readers and the Barnum effect.
[00:22:49] Jordan talks about the mechanisms of tarot readings.
[00:24:02] The importance of evidence, the subjective efficacy of “supernatural” experiences, and forming opinions.
[00:31:11] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Itunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mindreader/id1454717716
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Tunein: https://tunein.com/podcasts/Education-Podcasts/mindreader-p1208411/
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:31:58] Astrology, and how to guess someone’s star sign.
[00:34:17] the birthday paradox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofTb57aZHZs
[00:35:22] Jordan’s guilty pleasure…
[00:36:41] Mediums. Can they talk to dead people?... probably not.
[00:42:50] Logan explains ESP:
Blink by Malcolm Gladwell: https://www.amazon.com/Blink-Power-Thinking-Without/dp/0316010669/ref=sr_1_1?crid=TJ608MBHQI16&keywords=blink+malcolm+gladwell&qid=1551318459&s=gateway&sprefix=blink+m%2Caps%2C164&sr=8-1
Psychic Intuition by Nancy du Tertre: https://www.amazon.com/Psychic-Intuition-Everything-Wanted-Afraid-ebook/dp/B008QZT47Q/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3JF3ZT8UK8VNW&keywords=psychic+intuition+book&qid=1551318408&s=gateway&sprefix=psychic+intut%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-1
[00:45:56] Jordan’s take on ESP.
Declassified CIA document on ESP:
[00:49:18] The principle of emergence, and different forms of intelligence.
[00:51:23] Mentalists who advertised themselves as fake psychics.
[00:53:11] Jordan on conspiracy theorists.
[01:00:19] Deduction story time.
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For our debut episode of Mindreader, we invite you to listen in on our discussion of what exactly “deduction” means when we say it, the merits of nonverbal commuinication and cold reading, as well as our personal stories of how we became deductionists.
Show Notes:
Jordan Accardo (The Art of Deduction): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQmHBqRMVlyO9zTrKVzDWgw?view_as=subscriber
Logan Portenier (Observe): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzMvqwt21xqm7Fg5Uo3lsRQ
[00:00:56] Logan explains how he got into the world of deduction/mentalism/nonverbal communication reading.
[00:07:18] Jordan explains what it was like growing up with high functioning autism. https://www.autism.com
[00:13:18] Jordan’s first experiences making videos.
[00:19:38] The story of how we started working together.
[00:21:43] Logan defines “deduction”.
[00:29:44] what sort of conclusions are we actually deriving?
[00:30:50] Jordan continues in defining “deduction”.
[00:35:56] Is learning to read really that helpful? The art of learning new skills.
[00:40:10] Midroll
Mindreader website: http://mindreader.libsyn.com
Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mindreader?refid=stpr
Google Podcasts: https://mindreader.libsyn.com
Google Play music: https://mindreader.libsyn.com/gpm
Mindreader is on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfPU6dlEYMngjtjflWGmK9w
Mindreader Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Mindreader
[00:40:56] Where do the best psychologists in the world live?
[00:41:47] Logan discusses his daily training regimen.
[00:45:17] Jordan discusses his daily training routine as well as some helpful mental games you can use to train.
[00:53:21] Pitfalls and mistakes beginners tend to find themselves in.
[00:59:32] Logan rants about the poor quality of pictures sent to him for deduction.
[01:00:15] Reddit and deduction.
[01:01:55] Deduction story-time:
