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In the final episode of Series 1, we have a very special guest, the exceptional theatre director Ola Ince. We talk about her past and upcoming work, the future of Black theatre and what she wants to see change in the British theatre industry.
Ola Ince is a director and dramaturg, who is an Associate Director at the Royal Court. She has directed many brilliant plays, including Appropriate at the Donmar Warehouse, The Convert and Dutchman at the Young Vic. Thank you so much Ola for your generosity and for speaking with us!
If you want to follow Ola's work, you can find her website here: https://www.olaince.com/about
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This week we look at the last decade of Black British theatre and ask: have things really changed for Black theatre practitioners?
We focus on two different plays: Natasha Gordonâs Nine Night, which is the first play on record by a Black British woman to be transferred to Londonâs West End, and Jasmine Lee-Jonesâ Seven Methods of Killing Kylie Jenner. We talk about how Nine Night captured the imaginations of both Black and white audiences, portraying three generations of a Black British family in the wake of the 2018 Windrush âscandalâ, while discussing death, racial politics and funeral rituals in Black communities that are often misunderstood in 21st century Britain. We were lucky enough to interview Jasmine Lee-Jones about her play Seven Methods of Killing Kylie Jenner, which brings the fetishization of the Black female body and the appropriation of Black cultures to the forefront, all through the prism of Black womenâs lives in the digital age of social media.Thanks so much to Jasmine for chatting with us!
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References:
Gordon, N. (2018) Nine Night. London: NHB
Lee-Jones, J. (2019) Seven Methods of Killing Kylie Jenner. London: Oberon BooksChambers, C. (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Gentleman, A. (2019) The Windrush Betrayal: Exposing the Hostile Environment. London: Guardian Faber
Goddard, L. (2007) Staging Black Feminisms: Identity, Politics, Performance. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan.
Goddard, L. (2015) Contemporary Black British Playwrights: Margins to Mainstream. Hampshire, Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
McMillan, M (2007) âAesthetics of the West Indian Front Roomâ in V. Arana (ed) âBlackâ British Aesthetics Today. Newcastle: Cambridge Scholars Publishing, pp.297-313
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This week we have a really special guest, Mojisola Adebayo. We discuss âAfri-Queer Theatreâ, Black queer stories in theatre, climate change and colonisation. Mojisola discusses their play Moj of the Antarctic, which was performed at the Lyric Hammersmith theatre in 2006 and Wind/Rush Generations.
Mojisola Adebayo is a writer, playwright, poet, performer, workshop leader, facilitator, and educator. Moj is a prolific theatre-maker, and has worked on projects all around the globe, including, Brazil, Britain, India, Malawi, Norway, Palestine, Sweden, South Africa, Syria, the USA, and Zimbabwe. They have written many plays, which have been published in Mojisola Adebayo: Plays One: 1 and Mojisola Adebayo: Plays Two: 2.
Thanks so much to Mojisola for chatting with us!
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References:
Adebayo, M. (2011) Mojisola Adebayo: Plays One: 1. London: Oberon Modern Playwrights.
Adebayo, M. (2019) Mojisola Adebayo: Plays Two: 2. London: Oberon Modern Playwrights.
Adebayo, M., Mason-John, V., & Osborne, D. (2009). âNo Straight Answersâ: Writing in the Margins, Finding Lost Heroes, New Theatre Quarterly, 25(1), pp.6-21.
Chambers, C. (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Godiwala, D. (ed.) (2007) Alternatives Within the Mainstream II: Queer Theatres in Post-War Britain. Newcastle: Cambridge Scholars Press.
Goddard, L. (2007) Staging Black Feminisms: Identity, Politics, Performance. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan.
Goddard, L. (2015) Contemporary Black British Playwrights: Margins to Mainstream. Hampshire, Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
Johnson, E. P., Henderson, Mae, G. (2005) Black Queer Studies: A Critical Anthology. DUP
Moll, E. (2015) "Gender, Authenticity, and Diasporic Identities in Adebayo's "Moj of the Antarctic" and Iizuka's "36 Views"." Comparative Drama 49, no. 2: pp.191-224.
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This week we're continuing our discussion of the 2000s. We talk about how theatre can address the 'state of the nation', through the work of the brilliant playwright, Roy Williams. We were lucky enough to have an interview with Roy, who brilliantly discusses his plays 'Sing Yer Hearts Out for the Lads', 'Death of England' and 'Death of England: Delroy'. We discuss the connections between nationalism, football, race, class, and Brexit, which Roy's plays tackle with wit, humour and realism.
Born in London, Roy Williams is an award-winning playwright. He was the first winner of the Alfred Fagon Award for his play, 'Starstruck'. His third play for the Royal Court, 'Fallout', won the 2003 South Bank Show Arts Council Decibel Award. He is a prolific writer, whose most recent play with Clint Dyer, 'Death of England: Delroy', discusses what it means to be a Black British man in 2020, in the wake of political and social upheaval.
Thanks so much to Roy for chatting with us for this episode!
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References:
Roy Williams (2006) Sing Yer Hearts Out for the Lads. London: Methuen Drama.
Roy Williams and Clint Dyer (2020) Death of England. London: Methuen Drama.
Roy Williams and Clint Dyer (2020) Death of England: Delroy. London: Methuen Drama.
Akala (2019) Natives: Race & Class in the Ruins of Empire. London: Two Roads.
Mary F. Brewer, Lynette Goddard and Deirdre Osborne (2015) Modern and Contemporary Black British Drama. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan.
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Lynette Goddard (2015) Contemporary Black British Playwrights: Margins to Mainstream. Hampshire, Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
Dan Rebellato (ed.) (2013) Modern British Playwriting: 2000-2009. London: Bloomsbury.
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This week we discuss the question of whether there was a ârenaissanceâ in Black theatre during the 2000s and the work of debbie tucker green, with the prominent academic, Professor Lynette Goddard. We talk about the unprecedented mainstream presence of several Black playwrights in Britain during the 2000s, with specific focus on debbie tucker greenâs play ârandomâ, which details a day in the life of a Black British family which is tragically shaken through a random act of violence. Thanks so much to Lynette for offering your time and wisdom to this episode!
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References
debbie tucker green (2018) debbie tucker green plays: one. London: NHB
Sian Adiseshiah, Jacqueline Bolton (ed.) (2020) debbie tucker green: critical perspectives. Hampshire, Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
Mary F. Brewer, Lynette Goddard and Deirdre Osborne (2015) Modern and Contemporary Black British Drama. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Lynette Goddard (2007) Staging Black Feminisms: Identity, Politics, Performance. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan.
Lynette Goddard, âLynette Goddard on the renaissance in black British drama in the 1990sâ, The Black Plays Archive. https://www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk/featured-content/essays/lynette-goddard-rennaisance-black-british-drama-1990s
Lynette Goddard (2015) Contemporary Black British Playwrights: Margins to Mainstream. Hampshire, Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan.
Dan Rebellato (ed.) (2013) Modern British Playwriting: 2000-2009. London: Bloomsbury.
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This week we have a really exciting episode: an interview and discussion dedicated to the brilliant and prominent playwright and academic, Winsome Pinnock. Winsome is one of the best-known playwrights working in Britain today. We were lucky enough to speak to her about what it means to be a Black playwright, the history of her work in theatre, how the British theatre industry has changed and what more work needs to be done, and her latest play, Rockets and Blue Lights. Sometimes referred to as the 'godmother' of Black British theatre, Winsome's plays are far-reaching in the themes they explore, spanning a variety of different political, historical and social issues; from drug trafficking to racial profiling, to migration and gender politics, to the Atlantic slave trade. Her awards include: The George Devine Award, Pearson Plays on Stage Award for best play, Unity Theatre Trust Award, Susan Smith Blackburn Prize Special Commendation, and Alfred Fagon Award for best new play 2018.
Thank you so much to Winsome for chatting with us!To follow Winsome's work you can find her website here: https://winsomepinnock.co.uk/index.php
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References:
Winsome Pinnock (2020) Rockets and Blue Lights. London: NHB
Winsome Pinnock (2018) Leave Taking. London: NHB
Winsome Pinnock (2005) One Under. London: Faber & Faber.
Winsome Pinnock (1996) Mules. London: Faber & Faber
Winsome Pinnock (1993) âA Heroâs Welcomeâ in Kadija George (ed) (2018) Six Plays by Black and Asian Women Writers. Twickenham: Aurora Metro Press, pp.23-70. -
This week, we discuss the position of Black women playwrights in the 1980s and 1990s. We talk to Professor Lynette Goddard (Royal Holloway University) about the politics of representation and Black lesbian and queer playwrights, including Jackie Kay and Valerie Mason-John. We talk about Jackie Kayâs Chiaroscuro, which looks at sisterhood and the plurality of Black womenâs experiences. We also include a clip and discussion from Valerie Mason-Johnâs play, Sin Dykes, which discusses inter-racial lesbian relationships, BDSM and legacies of racial trauma.
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References:
Jackie Kay (1987/2011) âChiaroscuroâ in Lynette Goddard (ed.) The Methuen Drama Book of Plays by Black British Writers. London: Bloomsbury, pp.59-119
Valerie Mason-John (1998) Play script of Sin Dykes MPS 11988 (British Library, Archives and Manuscripts).
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Peter Fryer (1984) Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain. London: Pluto Press.Peter Fryer (1985) Black People in the British Empire: An Introduction. London: Pluto Classics.
Lynette Goddard (2007) Staging Black Feminisms: Identity, Politics, Performance. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan.
Dimple Godiwala (2006) Alternatives Within the Mainstream: British Black and Asian Theatre. Newcastle: Cambridge Scholars Press.
Ashley Tellis (2007) âWe Sinful Dykes: Lesbian Sexuality in Valerie Mason-John's Sin Dykesâ in Dimple Godiwala (ed.) Alternatives Within the Mainstream II: Queer Theatres in Post-War Britain. Newcastle: Cambridge Scholars Press, pp.239-247
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This week we are looking at the 1980s, a time when there was a âboomâ in Black theatre production in Britain. We discuss the political and social changes that occurred in 1980s Britain, a decade of Thatcherâs Tory government, recession, and institutional racism.
We look at Michael Abbensettsâ In the Mood, and Winsome Pinnockâs A Heroâs Welcome. Both of these plays talk about migration and the legacies of the Second World War in very different ways. Michael Abbensetts asks how radical black politics can work within conventional political institutions, while Winsome Pinnock creates a female-centered story about life in the West Indies after the war.
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References:
Michael Abbensetts (2001) Michael Abbensetts: Four Pays. London: Oberon.
Winsome Pinnock (1993) âA Heroâs Welcomeâ in Kadija George (ed) (2018) Six Plays by Black and Asian Women Writers. Twickenham: Aurora Metro Press, pp.23-70.
Nicola Abram (2015) âLooking Back: Winsome Pinnockâs Politics of Representationâ in Brewer, Goddard and Osborne (ed.) Modern and Contemporary Black British Drama. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan, pp.95-112
Kehinde Andrews and Lisa Amanda Palmer (2016) Blackness in Britain. London: Routledge.
Kehinde Andrews (2017) âHow to stay radical within an institutionâ, TEDxYouth@Brum (YouTube video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUymWxfrkQ
Kehinde Andrews (2019) Back to Black: Black Radicalism for the 21st Century. London: Zed Books.
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Peter Fryer (1984) Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain. London: Pluto Press.Peter Fryer (1985) Black People in the British Empire: An Introduction. London: Pluto Classics.
Lynette Goddard (2007) Staging Black Feminisms: Identity, Politics, Performance. Basingstoke, Hampshire: Palgrave Macmillan.
David Olusoga (2017) Black and British: A Forgotten History. London: Pan Books. -
This week we are looking at the 1970s, a time of resistance and rebellion. We talk about the work of Mustapha Matura and Alfred Fagon amidst the realities of police brutality, anti-racist politics and Black Power in Britain and the USA.
Mustapha Maturaâs âWelcome Home Jackoâ and Alfred Fagonâs âThe Death of a Black Manâ discuss Black politics, disenfranchisement, Black masculinity, Pan-Africanism and the appropriation of Black cultures during the 1970s. We discuss the legacies of these two great writers, with archival recordings from the Black Plays Archive.
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References:
Mustapha Matura (1980) âWelcome Home Jackoâ in Lynette Goddard (ed.) (2011) The Methuen Drama Book of Plays by Black British Writers. London: Bloomsbury, pp.1-59
Alfred Fagon (1999) âThe Death of a Black Manâ in Alfred Fagon (1999) Alfred Fagon: Plays. London: Oberon, pp.87-149
Akala (2019) Natives: Race & Class in the Ruins of Empire. London: Two Roads.
Kehinde Andrews (2019) Back to Black: Black Radicalism for the 21st Century. London: Zed Books.
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Peter Fryer (1984) Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain. London: Pluto Press.Peter Fryer (1985) Black People in the British Empire: An Introduction. London: Pluto Classics.
Lynette Goddard (2011) âIntroductionâ in Lynette Goddard (ed.) (2011) The Methuen Drama Book of Plays by Black British Writers. London: Bloomsbury, pp.vii-xxvi
David Olusoga (2017) Black and British: A Forgotten History. London: Pan Books.
Michael Pearce (2017) Black British Drama: A Transnational Story. London: Routledge.Roland Rees (1999) âIntroductionâ in Alfred Fagon (1999) Alfred Fagon: Plays. London: Oberon, pp.9-21
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This week we are looking at the tumultuous 1960s, a time of civil unrest, civil rights, anti-colonial struggle, and international conflict. We talk about the work of Barry Reckord and Wole Soyinka amidst the political, social and cultural contexts of Britain, the USA and Nigeria during the 1960s.
Wole Soyinkaâs âThe Lion and the Jewelâ and Barry Reckordâs âSkyversâ discuss the contrasting social and political issues affecting people in South London and Nigeria respectively. While Reckord battles with class and gender amongst working-class youth, Soyinka critiques colonisation and celebrates traditional Yoruba culture. We delve into the significant work of these two, theatrical giants, and ask if we should bring these plays back to British theatre.
Black Plays Archive website https: //www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk
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Barry Reckord (2011) For the Reckord: A Collection of Three Plays by Barry Reckord. London: Oberon Books.Wole Soyinka (1962) The Lion and the Jewel. Oxford: OUP.
Martin Banham (2013) âCritical Responses: Wole Soyinkaâs The Lion and the Jewel. Royal Court Theatre, London, December 1966â, Black Plays Archive. https://www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk/featured-content/essays/critical-responses-wole-soyinka%E2%80%99s-lion-and-jewel-royal-court-theatre-london
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Patricia Hill Collins & Sirma Bilge (2016) Intersectionality. Cambridge and Maldon: Polity Press.
Peter Fryer (1984) Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain. London: Pluto Press.
Peter Fryer (1988) Black People in the British Empire: An Introduction. London: Pluto.
Stuart Hall (2019) 'The West and the Rest: Discourse and Power [1992]', David Morley (ed.) Stuart Hall: Essential Essays Vol. 2, Identity & Diaspora. Durham and London: Duke University Press, pp.141-185
bell hooks (1990) Yearning: Race, Gender, and Cultural Politics. London & New York: Routledge.
David Olusoga (2017) Black and British: A Forgotten History. London: Pan Books.
Michael Pearce (2017) Black British Drama: A Transnational Story. London: Routledge.Wole Soyinka (2002) âThe Fourth Stage: Through the Mysteries of Ogun to the Origin of Yoruba Tragedyâ in Paul Carter Harrison et al. Black Theatre: Ritual Performance in the African Diaspora. Philadelphia: Temple University Press, pp.140-153
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This week we are delving into a seminal point in Black British theatre, the 1950s. We look at the historical backdrop of the post-war period, mass immigration, and the Windrush Generation.
Two important playwrights who were part of that generation were Errol John and Barry Reckord. Their plays âMoon on a Rainbow Shawlâ and âFlesh to a Tigerâ, look at the lives of Black people in the Caribbean under colonial rule, and the motivations many people had for making the journey to live and work in Britain. We listen to an audio clip from the National Theatreâs 2012 production of âMoon on a Rainbow Shawlâ and talk about how these two playwrights navigate themes of class, race, religion and patriarchy in their work.
Extract from âMoon on a Rainbow Shawlâ reproduced by permission of Peters Fraser & Dunlop (www.petersfraserdunlop.com) on behalf of the Estate of Errol John.
The clip used from Moon on a Rainbow Shawl was from a revival in 2012, produced by the National Theatre. It was directed by Michael Buffong, with Danny Sapani playing Ephraim, and Martina Laird playing Sophia (Mrs Adams).
Black Plays Archive website: https://www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk/
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References:
Errol John (1958) Moon on a Rainbow Shawl. London: Faber & Faber Ltd.
Barry Reckord (2011) For the Reckord: A Collection of Three Plays by Barry Reckord. London: Oberon Books.
Yvonne Brewster (2011) 'Introduction' in Barry Reckord, For the Reckord: A Collection of Three Plays by Barry Reckord. London: Oberon Books, pp.11-17
Mary Chamberlain, (Spring 1998) 'I Belong to Whoever Wants Me', New Formations: Frontlines/Backyards, No. 33, London: Lawrence & Wishart, pp.47-59.
Colin Chambers (2011) Black and Asian Theatre in Britain: A History. London & New York: Routledge.
Peter Fryer (1984) Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain. London: Pluto Press.
Lynette Goddard (4 Oct 2018) 'Migration stories in Errol John's Moon on a Rainbow Shawl', British Library. Read here: https://www.bl.uk/20th-century-literature/articles/migration-stories-in-errol-johns-moon-on-a-rainbow-shawl
David Olusoga (2017) Black and British: A Forgotten History. London: Pan Books.
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This week we are looking at the 1930s and the first black woman playwright in the Black Plays Archive, the legendary Una Marson, and how she flourished in 1930s Britain. A trailblazer in every sense, Una Marson was a Jamaican poet, playwright, writer, activist. She was also the first black woman to be hired by the BBC.
We interview the brilliant academic and novelist, Delia Jarrett-Macauley, about Una Marsonâs legacy and two of her plays, âAt What a Priceâ and âPocomaniaâ. Unaâs plays talk about religion, gender politics, and racism at a time where black women were rarely given the opportunity to do so. We ask what we might learn from Unaâs plays if they were revived today.
Black Plays Archive Website: https://www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk/Email [email protected]
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Delia Jarrett-Macauley http://www.deliajarrettmacauley.com/
References:
'Pocomania and London's Calling' by Una Marson
'Una Marson' by British Library. https://www.bl.uk/people/una-marson
'The Life of Una Marson 1905-1965' by Delia Jarrett-Macauley
'Staying Power: The history of black people in Britain' by Peter Fryer
'Black and Asian Theatre in Britain' by Colin Chambers -
In our first episode of That Black Theatre Podcast we talk about the wonderful Black Plays Archive, the focal point of our journey into black theatre history in Britain. We chat to a leading academic and previous manager of the Black Plays Archive, Natasha Bonnelame.
We ask Natasha what the Black Plays Archive is, and why itâs important to tell a plurality of black stories on the stage. We talk about who is given access to knowledge and power, and what needs to change in the British theatre industry to represent black experiences.
Black Plays Archive: https://www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk/
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Follow Natasha Bonnelame on social media: @saint_louis22
This podcast is created and written by Nadine Deller, co-hosted by Nadia Deller, and edited by James Felix.
Music: 'African Moon' by John Bartmann: https://freemusicarchive.org/music/John_Bartmann/Public_Domain_Soundtrack_Music_Album_One
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Welcome to That Black Theatre Podcast! Hosted by PhD student Nadine Deller and her sister Nadia Deller, weâre here to chat all things past, present and future about Black theatre and creativity.
The first series launches on Monday 28 September 2020 with twelve episodes taking you through different decades of Black British theatre-making. Weâll be speaking to leaders of Black British theatre and sharing exclusive clips from plays in the Black Plays Archive.
Guests include Mojisola Adebayo, Lynette Goddard, Ola Ince, Roy Williams, and more!
Join us on Mondays for That Black Theatre Podcast.
Black Plays Archive: https://www.blackplaysarchive.org.uk/
Email: [email protected]
Social media: @nationaltheatre
Music: 'African Moon' by John Bartman https://freemusicarchive.org/music/John_Bartmann/Public_Domain_Soundtrack_Music_Album_One
