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What if your biggest leadership challenge isn’t deciding what to do, but when to do it?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill shares personal stories and answers listener questions about tough decisions, team feedback, and betting big on your vision. From a solo weekend with his kids to making high-stakes calls at work, Michael pulls back the curtain on how he thinks through pressure, risk, and long-term impact.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why speed and decisiveness are only advantages when paired with execution
How to weigh input from others — and still make the final call yourself
What it takes to scale sustainably without losing your mind
You make the decision. Don’t let someone else make it for you.
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Show Notes:
01:58 – Michael’s Core Memory Weekend with the Kids
06:24 – The CEO’s Dilemma: No Clear Right Answers
06:55 – Why Focus Beats Multiple Revenue Streams
10:53 – The Risk of Moving Too Fast — and Too Big
13:04 – Behind the Scenes of Crisp’s Busiest Year
14:18 – Why Execution Matters More Than Ideas
17:16 – Acquisition Anxiety: Growth vs. Culture Clash
21:03 – You Make the Decision — Not Your Team
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Links & Resources:
Die With Zero by Bill Perkins
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Building a values-driven law firm isn’t just the right thing to do — it’s also a winning strategy.
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, host Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Chaffin and Roopal Luhana of Chaffin Luhana to explore how they built one of the most respected firms in the country by leading with integrity, empathy, and purpose. Guided by the principle of “doing good by doing right,” they share how a deep commitment to clients and core values has fueled meaningful growth, sparked innovation, and shaped a standout culture in the legal industry.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why doing the right thing, even when it’s hard, delivers the greatest long-term ROI
How to build a values-driven culture that attracts the right people and clients
What it takes to stay resilient when the stakes are high and the outcomes are uncertain
Don’t miss this conversation if you want to build a firm that wins with purpose, scales with heart, and never loses sight of what matters most.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: How Eric and Roopal built Chaffin Luhana
01:40 – Defining “doing good by doing right” and what it looks like in action
05:00 – Why authenticity is rare — and essential — in legal marketing
06:15 – The most important KPI: Client gratitude
08:15 – How values shape hiring, culture, and internal growth
12:15 – Implementing structure: Traction, processes, and leadership clarity
15:00 – Lessons from loss: Staying true to your principles when it’s hard
18:20 – Navigating emotional investment and long litigation cycles
21:30 – Driving systemic change through impact litigation
25:45 – Final thoughts: Being a game changer through innovation and heart
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Links & Resources:
Chaffin Luhana LLP
Six Sigma
Incorporating Traction
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What if the best way to build a high-performing team wasn’t through perks or policies, but by telling people the truth?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, HR consultant, speaker, author, and former Netflix Chief Talent Officer Patty McCord joins Michael Mogill to challenge conventional HR thinking and offer a candid take on what truly drives culture, leadership, and high performance. With decades of experience shaping iconic teams in Silicon Valley, Patty unpacks how honesty, accountability, and experimentation can redefine what it means to build a workplace people are proud to be from, not just at.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why retention is the wrong metric for building great teams — and what matters instead
How “telling the truth up front” can eliminate legal issues, improve culture, and drive results
What it takes to create a company where high performers thrive and mediocrity doesn’t survive
If you’re ready to ditch outdated practices, build a team of adults who own their impact, and lead with context instead of control, this episode is your blueprint.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: Patty’s Unconventional Path into HR
05:06 – The Call That Changed Everything: Joining Netflix at 2 AM
06:40 – Reinventing Work: Cutting What Doesn’t Matter
08:06 – Creating a Great Place to Be From
12:00 – Building High-Performance Teams with Radical Clarity
17:18 – Problem Solvers vs. Problem Finders
20:14 – Giving Feedback That Drives Growth
27:11 – Metrics That Matter: P&L Over Perks
34:12 – Preparing for the Future: Do You Have the Right Team?
37:04 – Stop Empowering: Teach How the Business Works
38:29 – The Future of Work Is Now
40:15 – Redefining Leadership Through Context
41:22 – Final Thoughts: Stop Doing Stupid Stuff
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Links & Resources:
Powerful: Building a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility by Patty McCord
How Netflix Reinvented HR, HBR Article by Patty McCord
Netflix Culture Deck
“Google Ideological Echo Chamber” memo by James Damore
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What if the real risk isn't taking bold action — but staying exactly where you are?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, author, founder of Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO), and Founder & CEO of Scaling Up, Verne Harnish shares timeless insights on scaling a business, developing high-performing teams, and why most leaders fall short when they lose their edge. From navigating uncertainty to rediscovering founder-mode, Verne challenges the safe, conventional wisdom that holds organizations back — and offers a blueprint for playing bigger, leading smarter, and building companies that endure.
Here's what you'll learn:
Why aggressive goals create more energy — and why incrementalism kills momentum
What it means to rediscover your company's "soul" — and how to lead from founder-mode
How to replace weak managers with true team captains who drive performance
If you're playing not to lose, you're already falling behind — this episode is your call to play to win.
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Show Notes:
00:00 - Introduction
06:00 - Betting on Yourself: The Sacrifices and Mindset of Entrepreneurs
09:19 - Thriving in Chaos: Why Optimism and Timing Matter
14:00 - The Power of Big, Audacious Goals (and Why Small Thinking Fails)
16:42 - Why Most Companies Plateau: The Mindset and Market Gap
20:41 - Rediscovering Founder Mode and the Soul of Your Business
26:46 - Building Teams That Don't Need Managers
31:15 - How AI Will Redefine Growth, Strategy, and Hiring
36:40 - Redefining Success: The Five F's That Really Matter
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Links & Resources:
Scaling Up by Verne Harnish
Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO)
Mastering the Rockefeller Habits by Verne Harnish
Founder Mode by Paul Graham
The Captain Class by Sam Walker
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What if your suffering isn't coming from your circumstances, but from your stories?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, workplace drama expert, leadership consultant, and best-selling author Cy Wakeman unpacks the inner chaos that holds high performers back. Through personal stories and hard-won lessons, she reveals how the ego fuels self-imposed suffering, how gratitude can evolve your perspective, and why true leadership begins with self-reflection. Alongside Jessica Mogill, Cy shares the practices and mindset shifts that can help you stop resisting reality and start showing up with clarity, calm, and compassion.
Here's what you'll learn:
Why most suffering is self-inflicted — and how your ego is the culprit
How to use three simple questions to break free from stress and overwhelm
What it takes to live a life you don't need a vacation from
Your peace begins where your ego ends — and this episode shows you the way.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction
01:56 – Writing Through the Chaos: How the Pandemic Shaped Cy's New Book
02:08 – Self-Imposed Suffering: How Ego Hijacks the Present Moment
06:04 – Reclaiming Perspective: The Three Questions That Set You Free
10:06 – Gratitude Reimagined: Counting Everything as a Blessing
23:05 – Stop Naming Things Too Soon: Embracing Curiosity Over Control
25:07 – The Power of “And”: Rejecting Either/Or Thinking
29:41 – Overgiving, Boundaries, and the Illusion of Control
32:42 – Self-Soothing vs. Self-Care: The Difference That Changes Everything
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Links & Resources:
Reality-Based Rules of the Workplace and Life's Messy, Live Happy by Cy Wakeman
Ted x Talk: “Ditch the Drama” by Cy Wakeman
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What if your biggest competitive edge isn’t the channel you choose — but how hard you’re willing to commit?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, serial entrepreneur, best-selling author, and the Founder of Rankings.io Chris Dreyer returns to break down what law firms are getting wrong about SEO, how AI is changing the digital playing field, and why consistency, community, and competition are more essential than ever. From dominating local markets to navigating Google’s evolving algorithms, Chris shares the no-BS truths that separate real results from wasted spend.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why “if you don’t commit” to SEO and review strategies, “it’s like an uphill battle”
How to earn Google’s trust through “real-world relationships” and local relevance
What it means to “never settle, always compete” — even after you hit your goals
If you’re ready to obsess over the things your competitors are overlooking, this episode will show you how to turn strategy into dominance.
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Show Notes:
01:54 – Introduction02:22 – What Law Firms Get Wrong About SEO06:01 – AI’s Impact on Search and Relevance12:39 – The Truth About AI-Generated Content15:40 – Advice for New Law Firms Entering SEO18:09 – Why Traditional Media Still Dominates22:17 – The Optimal Marketing Mix for Law Firms27:15 – Building Brand Affinity Through Grassroots Marketing32:48 – Proudest Moments and Hardest Lessons
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Links & Resources:
Rankings.io
Niching UpPersonal Injury and Lawyer Marketing: From Good to GOAT
Inside Tracker
Giftology
PIMCon (Personal Injury Lawyers Marketing & Management Conference)
Profits First
Cambridge Analytica Scandal
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What if trying to help everyone is the very thing keeping your law firm from growing?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill challenge the myth that more is better — more practice areas, more clients, more complexity. Instead, they reveal why clarity, consistency, and restraint are the real drivers of sustainable growth.
From the $10M rule to the art of saying “no,” this episode is a practical blueprint for law firm owners ready to scale without spreading themselves — or their teams — too thin.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why the best cases go to the best marketers
What the $10M rule means for your expansion plans
Why generalists struggle to grow — and how specialists win
The real impact of saying “no” to misaligned clients
How focus helps you build authority and trust
If you’re ready to scale your firm without losing focus, this episode will challenge you to lead with clarity, say no with confidence, and grow where it matters most.
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Show Notes:
00:01 – Introduction
03:28 – Should I Niche Down to Compete With a Younger Attorney?
07:23 – Should I Expand Into New Practice Areas to Grow?
12:00 – How Do I Say No to Longtime Clients?
14:09 – The Power of Saying No to Stay Focused
15:30 – Why Boundaries Are a Sign of Growth
16:10 – Saying Yes Means Saying No to Something Else
16:14 – Final Thoughts: You Have the Power to Choose
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Links & Resources:
Turf Grass Phone Case
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What if your greatest leadership challenge isn’t your team — it’s you?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, decorated U.S. Army veteran and CEO of Berry Law, John Berry returns to share the tough lessons, tactical systems, and mindset shifts that have shaped his evolution as a leader. From military missions to managing a fast-growing law firm, John opens up about what it really takes to earn trust, retain A-players, and lead with conviction — even when the pressure is on.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why discipline, restraint, and reflection are essential to long-term leadership
How to recruit and retain top talent by scaling culture from the inside out
What it takes to become the kind of leader people choose to follow
If you’re ready to look in the mirror and lead at a higher level, this episode will show you how real change starts from within.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: From Combat to Courtroom
02:18 – Why Most Leaders Get Leadership Wrong
05:42 – The Hard Lessons of Hiring and Building the Right Culture
10:04 – Leadership Under Pressure: Lessons from the Battlefield
17:09 – The Cost of Conflict Avoidance and the Power of Feedback
26:43 – Operation Spear Tip: Scalable Hiring Through Referrals
33:06 – When to Coach, Confront, or Cut Loose
42:18 – Simplifying Practice Areas to Scale with Focus
56:03 – Final Thoughts: Change Yourself to Change the Game
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Links & Resources:
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Veteran Led by John Berry
Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink & Leif Babin
The Dichotomy of Leadership by Jocko Willink & Leif Babin
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What if the reason your clients, team, or peers don’t recognize your value… is because you never showed them?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill breaks down the unseen habits, small slips, and silent wins that separate those who sustain excellence from those who quietly fall behind. From holding the line on standards to making your effort visible, this episode is a tactical reminder that the little things are never little — and that complacency has a price.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why discipline erodes in the details — and how to hold the line
How to make your unseen efforts visible to your team and clients
What it really takes to prevent success from turning into stagnation
Want to stay at the top? This episode is your reminder to act like it — every single day.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction
03:48 – Teaching Entrepreneurial Lessons to the Next Generation
08:07 – The Bracelet Business: Fulfillment, Hustle, and Gratitude
09:38 – Combating Entitlement by Sharing the Real Journey
13:16 – Why Gratitude, Not Resentment, Builds a Great Culture
15:00 – Are You Paranoid or Just Paying Attention?
17:05 – The Slippery Slope of Letting Standards Slip
18:10 – Making the Invisible Visible: How to Show Your Work
22:36 – Final Thoughts and Takeaways
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Links & Resources:
Atomic Habits by James Clear
David Goggins
Can’t Hurt Me by David Goggins
Cameron Hanes
The Score Takes Care of Itself by Bill Walsh
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As we conclude celebrating five years of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, this Elite Athletes edition showcases the world-class performers who have redefined limits — mentally, physically, and professionally. These are the voices of champions who’ve trained in darkness, fought through failure, and built the mindset required to dominate on the world stage.
In this episode, we go beyond trophies and titles to uncover the discipline, resilience, and psychological mastery that separates the best from everyone else. Whether it’s breaking world records, surviving in isolation, or pushing through unimaginable pain, these athletes offer a window into what’s possible when greatness becomes non-negotiable.
This episode features:
Mark Beaumont: On why risk, adventure, and clarity of purpose matter more than comfort or certainty.
Colin O’Brady: On challenging the impossible — and growing through adversity, whether or not you succeed.
David Goggins: On building belief by choosing suffering, and how pain can become your greatest teacher.
Mat Fraser: On the compounding power of consistent habits — and how world champions optimize everything.
Tim Grover: On letting go of civility, mastering your dark side, and doing what winning demands.
If you want to understand what true grit, mental toughness, and elite-level focus really look like, this episode is your blueprint.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: Unlocking Peak Performance with Elite Athletes
02:05 – Mark Beaumont: Around the World in 194 Days
07:14 – The Power of Planning, Pain, and Perspective
11:21 – Colin O’Brady: Why “The Impossible First” Mattered
17:24 – From Burn Victim to Triathlon Champion
26:05 – Crossing Antarctica Alone: Breaking Mental and Physical Limits
29:06 – David Goggins: Creating an Alter Ego to Withstand the Unthinkable
41:46 – Mat Fraser: Building 1% Gains into Unstoppable Momentum
54:10 – Tim Grover: Winning Is Uncivilized — And That’s the Point
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Links & Resources:
Mark Beaumont
Colin O’Brady
David Goggins
Mat Fraser
Tim Grover
The Impossible First by Colin O’Brady
Can’t Hurt Me by David Goggins
Never Finished by David Goggins
Relentless by Tim Grover
Winning by Tim Grover
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What separates elite leaders from those who never break through? It’s not motivation or even talent — it’s the discipline to stay focused, make decisions when it’s uncomfortable, and build habits that align with who you want to become.
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill tackles questions from law firm owners about decision-making, long-term planning, and how to maintain consistent performance when things get chaotic. You’ll learn how to shift your mindset from reacting to leading, and how to engineer habits and environments that make success inevitable.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
What it takes to stay disciplined when motivation fails
How elite leaders create leverage through “Future Time”
Why identity — not willpower — is the key to lasting habits
If you're ready to lead your firm at a higher level, this episode will show you how to build the internal foundation that drives consistent external results.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: Gadgets, Cold Plunges & Energy Boosts
06:24 – Why This Podcast Has No Sponsors (and Why That Matters)
08:03 – Navigating Hard Decisions: Choose, Own, and Move Forward
13:49 – Future Time: The Most Important Meeting You’ll Ever Take
17:06 – Strategic Thinking: Identifying the One Problem That Unlocks Growth
18:40 – Habit Stacking for Busy Law Firm Owners
21:18 – Designing an Environment That Makes Good Habits Easy
24:16 – From Cold Plunges to Consistency: The Power of Identity
28:11 – Final Thoughts: Lead Like the CEO You Want to Become
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Links & Resources:
Streaks App
Atomic Habits by James Clear
Savannah Bananas
Tony Robbins
Tim Cook
Rory McIlroy
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As we celebrate five years of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, this Business Titans edition honors the visionary leaders who’ve built powerhouse brands, navigated high-stakes decisions, and proven that excellence, adaptability, and bold thinking aren’t just values — they’re strategies.
In this episode, we spotlight the builders: entrepreneurs and executives who scaled with purpose, led through adversity, and never settled for average. From world-class customer service and employee empowerment to the raw realities of risk, reinvention, and rapid growth, their insights are a masterclass in what it takes to lead at the highest level.
This episode features:
Horst Schulze: On why excellence is a non-negotiable standard, and how empowering employees drives loyalty and brand equity.
Marcus Lemonis: On the power of owning your mistakes, building on people-process-product, and leading with transparency.
Alex Hormozi: On why pain is a more powerful motivator than passion — and how humility and long-term thinking shape real success.
Joey Coleman: On transforming employees into advocates by designing every phase of their journey with intention and care.
Kara Goldin: On recovering from failure, staying scrappy, and building a brand by staying relentlessly curious and open to reinvention.
If you're building a business that aims to stand the test of time, this episode is packed with hard-earned wisdom, leadership strategy, and the relentless mindset it takes to succeed.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: Celebrating 5 Years with Visionary Business Titans
02:17 – Horst Schulze: Why Excellence Is a Decision (Not a Perk)
05:50 – The $2,000 Rule: Empowering Employees to Create Loyalty
11:08 – Marcus Lemonis: The 3 P’s of Business (People, Process, Product)
17:30 – Why Accountability & Mistake Ownership Drive Sustainable Growth
23:31 – Alex Hormozi: Using Pain as Fuel & Reframing Entrepreneurial Mindset
31:47 – Time as a Founder’s Most Valuable Asset
40:01 – Joey Coleman: Creating Remarkable Employee Experiences
48:46 – Kara Goldin: Navigating Setbacks, Brand Building & Thinking Differently
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Links & Resources:
Horst Schulze
Marcus Lemonis
Alex Hormozi
$100M Offers: How To Make Offers So Good People Feel Stupid Saying No
$100M Leads: How to Get Strangers To Want To Buy Your Stuff
Joey Coleman
Never Lose a Customer Again: Turn Any Sale into Lifelong Loyalty in 100 Days
Never Lose an Employee Again: The Simple Path to Remarkable Retention
Kara Goldin
Undaunted: Overcoming Doubts and Doubters
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What if building a thriving law firm wasn’t about holding on tighter — but about letting go of control, trusting your team, and scaling with purpose?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Josh Nelson, founder of Nelson Elder Care Law and recipient of the 2024 SELECT Firm of the Year award. From his early days grinding to his first million, to leading a 40+ person team and managing growth through intentional hiring and leadership, Josh’s journey offers a blueprint for building a firm that grows beyond the founder.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Why empowering your team — not doing it all yourself — is the key to scaling impact
What it takes to evolve your systems, strategy, and mindset to support long-term growth
How personal passions can fuel purpose — and turn success into service
Tune in as he shares the honest story behind his firm’s evolution — from ego-driven decisions to visionary leadership. Whether you’re building your team, restructuring your systems, or finding renewed motivation in the mission, this conversation is packed with high-growth insights, personal turning points, and the mindset shifts that define true leadership.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction
07:56 – From Racing to Elder Law: Josh’s Unconventional Path
17:14 – Breaking Production: Early Growth and System Failures
21:26 – Building a Scalable Firm Without Burning Out
26:09 – Evolving the Hiring Funnel & Creating a Culture of Accountability
31:07 – The Power of Bench Strength and Non-Attorney Salespeople
35:36 – Marketing to Your Team: Driving Mission-Driven Culture
39:08 – Leveraging AI as a Multiplier, Not a Replacement
44:38 – Racing, Legacy, and Why Impact Beats Income
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Links & Resources:
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Kolbe
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As we continue celebrating five years of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, this next installment in our special retrospective series highlights the thought leaders who challenge conventional thinking, reframe limitations, and expand what's possible — both personally and professionally.
In this Mindset Expanders edition, we feature experts who have helped millions push beyond mental roadblocks, build better habits, and unlock sustainable performance. From behavior change and self-control to high achievement and peak flow states, these conversations will reshape the way you think about growth — and give you the tools to pursue it with purpose.
This episode features:
Katy Milkman: On how to overcome present bias, build habits that last, and make positive behavior change more enjoyable.
Ayelet Fishbach: On mastering self-control by designing smarter environments and identifying competing goals.
Adam Alter: On reframing failure, embracing challenge, and why discomfort is the key to long-term meaning.
Eric Thomas: On why effort matters more than talent — and how understanding motivation can unlock your team’s full potential.
Steven Kotler: On how fear, focus, and flow states can be leveraged to achieve peak performance in any field.
If you’re ready to think bigger, act bolder, and lead with clarity, these mindset-shifting conversations will show you how to break through to your next level.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: What Would It Look Like to Give 120%?
02:12 – Katie Milkman: Overcoming Present Bias and Building Better Habits
10:46 – Ayelet Fishbach: Self-Control, Multiple Goals, and Advice Giving
19:33 – Adam Alter: Turning Failure into a Superpower
27:40 – Beginner’s Mind: Why Staying Curious Leads to Growth
35:08 – Eric Thomas: When You Want to Succeed as Bad as You Want to Breathe
42:30 – Motivating Your Team by Speaking Their Language
48:57 – The Inability to Self-Assess: Why Leaders Get in Their Own Way
53:19 – Steven Kotler: How Peak Performers Use Flow and Fear to Their Advantage
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Links & Resources:
Katy Milkman
Ayelet Fishbach
Adam Alter
Eric Thomas
Steven Kotler
Mary Poppins
Tony Robbins
Les Brown
Steve Jobs
Wharton School of Business
University of Chicago Booth School of Business
NYU Stern School of Business
Michigan State University
NFL
Flow Research Collective
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In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill takes on some of the toughest challenges law firm owners face today — hiring with confidence, retaining great talent, and knowing when to invest in people versus when to walk away.
From evaluating high-salary candidates to navigating internal disagreements over ambitious hires, this episode offers real-world guidance for leaders who want to build teams that last.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How to evaluate whether you're paying for potential or proven performance
Why a candidate asking about growth isn’t a red flag — it’s a sign of ambition
How to create a culture of development that retains your best people
If you’ve ever struggled with whether to bet on potential or proven experience — or feared the long-term cost of developing talent that might leave — this conversation is for you.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: New Studio, New Format
01:23 – The 3 Types of Decision-Makers: Doubters, Delayers, and Deciders
06:27 – Hiring Dilemma: Pay for Potential or Proven Experience?
10:36 – Time vs. Money: The Real Cost of Training New Talent
11:05 – Navigating Offers: Is Asking About Growth a Red Flag?
13:13 – Choosing the Right Hire: Heart, Intent, and Fit
14:26 – Poaching Problems: When You’re the “Training Ground” Firm
16:06 – Why You Should Still Invest in People (Even if They Leave)
18:11 – Creating Career Paths That Inspire Long-Term Loyalty
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Links & Resources:
Patrick Mahomes
Atlanta Falcons
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As we continue celebrating five years of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, this second installment in our special retrospective series highlights the marketing minds who have shaped industries, built iconic brands, and mastered the art of standing out.
In this Marketing Masters edition, we spotlight leaders who have transformed the way we think about positioning, personal branding, relationship building, and sustainable growth. Their insights reveal that true marketing mastery isn’t about chasing trends — it's about clarity, connection, and a relentless focus on serving the right audience with excellence.
This episode features:
Seth Godin: On why marketing success starts with focusing up, choosing the smallest viable audience, and resisting the temptation to be average.
Rory Vaden: On building a powerful personal brand rooted in trust, and why your reputation is the foundation of lasting opportunity.
Pat Flynn: On creating superfans through quality, authenticity, and meaningful relationship-building.
John Ruhlin: On leveraging thoughtful generosity to deepen client loyalty, drive referrals, and accelerate business growth.
Conrad Saam and Gyi Tsakalakis: On why marketing without a strategy leads to wasted effort — and how consistent execution wins over time.
Across every conversation, one theme is clear: the most successful marketers aren't the ones who follow the crowd. They're the ones who lead with purpose, serve with authenticity, and build brands that endure.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: Lessons from Marketing Legends
03:11 – Seth Godin: Focus Up and Find Your Smallest Viable Audience
13:43 – Rory Vaden: Why Reputation Precedes Revenue
22:49 – Building a Personal Brand That Drives Business Growth
28:33 – Pat Flynn: Creating Superfans Through Quality and Connection
37:28 – Small Town Rules: Building Loyalty in a Digital World
44:36 – John Ruhlin: Strategic Gifting to Deepen Relationships
53:25 – Conrad Saam & Guy Sakalakis: Strategy vs. Tactics in Legal Marketing
01:07:15 – Final Takeaways: Building a Brand That Lasts
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Links & Resources:
Seth GodinRory VadenPat FlynnJohn RuhlinConrad Saam
Gyi Tsakalakis
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In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill interviews Sofia K. Miguel, the 2024 ELITE Firm of the Year winner. Sofia shares her journey from the Army Reserve to leading a successful personal injury firm, offering practical insights into the challenges and successes of running a law practice.
You will learn:
How to embrace marketing to enhance visibility and success in a competitive landscape
How personal growth builds resilience, vital for leading a successful firm
And how a high-performing team and top-tier client experience differentiate your firm
Ready to transform your firm's future with proven growth and leadership strategies? Tune in to hear Sofia's impactful journey and discover how you can apply these lessons to your own practice.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: From Army Reserve to Elite Firm of the Year
03:24 – Why Sofia Chose Law: Autonomy, Self-Reliance, and Fulfillment
09:19 – Building the Firm From Scratch: Early Challenges and Vision
14:10 – Standing Out in a Competitive Market as a Woman-Owned Firm
18:47 – From Solo to Team: The Shift to Scaling and Hiring Attorneys
24:36 – Establishing Culture: High Standards and Collaborative Growth
32:55 – Making Unpopular Decisions for Long-Term Success
39:40 – Personal Growth, Professional Evolution, and Resilience
48:18 – What Being a Game Changer Means to Sofia Miguel
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Links & Resources:
Sofia K. Miguel
Kolbe Index
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Welcome to a special edition of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, celebrating five years of game changing conversations, industry-shaping insights, and bold leadership in the legal world. To mark this milestone, we’re kicking off a retrospective series that dives into the minds of the most forward-thinking, trailblazing leaders we've featured over the years.
In this episode, we’re taking a look back to highlight the strategies and decisions that helped our top guests carve their own paths to success. There’s no single way to build a thriving law firm — but the stories you’ll hear are proof that with the right mindset, consistent execution, and belief in your vision, success is within reach.
You’ll hear from:
Eric Chaffin: Co-founder of Chaffin Luhana, a nationally recognized law firm. Known for his work as a federal prosecutor and his dedication to using his experiences to motivate and help others through his legal practice.
Rex Elliott: A prominent attorney at Cooper Elliott, a firm known for representing the underdog and making significant impacts in trial law. His journey is fueled by connecting his past experiences to achieve success and aid others.
Randi McGinn: An accomplished trial lawyer, recognized for her approach to "transformative law," where the focus is on making impactful changes beyond just monetary settlements in cases.
Laura Wasser: A top divorce attorney in the country, known for her discretion and ability to handle high-profile celebrity divorce cases with a focus on realistic expectations and professionalism.
Ben Crump: A nationally renowned civil rights attorney, often involved in high-profile cases that address systemic injustices, inspired by Thurgood Marshall and motivated by advocating for equal opportunities and justice.
Whether you're an attorney seasoned in the courtroom or a burgeoning leader in the industry, you'll find valuable perspectives and actionable insights to fuel your own success story. Join us as we uncover the diverse strategies and mindsets that propel legal visionaries to redefine what it means to lead, inspire, and succeed.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction: 5 Years of Legal Game Changers
02:05 – Eric Chaffin: Overcoming Trauma and Building a Mission-Driven Firm
10:44 – Doing Good by Doing Right: Building Chaffin Luhana on Values
15:45 – Rex Elliott: From Construction Sites to Courtrooms
21:42 – Fighting for Underdogs and Finding Purpose in Trial Work
27:58 – Randi McGinn: Pioneering Transformative Law with Every Case
35:36 – Laura Wasser: Navigating High-Profile Divorce with Discretion and Integrity
43:59 – Balancing Emotional Support and Legal Strategy in Celebrity Cases
50:27 – Ben Crump: Finding Hope and Justice Through Legacy and Law
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Links & Resources:
Randi McGinn
Rex Elliott
Eric Chaffin
Ben Crump
Laura Wasser
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What if launching your law firm amidst competition isn't about having it all figured out, but about taking the plunge with unwavering determination and adaptability?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, host Michael Mogill sits down with Charles Buist and Nicholas Spetsas, the formidable duo behind a rapidly growing law firm in Orlando. Join us as we delve into their inspiring journey from shared dreams in a cramped one-bedroom apartment to the strategic decisions that helped them navigate the challenges of launching a firm from scratch.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
How taking strategic risks early in your career can pave the way for future success
The critical role of a client-centric approach in differentiating a law firm, ensuring lasting relationships and trust by prioritizing client needs and maintaining excellent service
The impact of leveraging advanced technology and personalized leadership strategies, like AI, Kolbe, and PRINT assessments, to foster team growth and enhance operational efficiency in a thriving law firm
Tune in as they unpack their evolution from law school allies to entrepreneurial partners, revealing the bold bets, unrelenting commitment, and client-first mindset that drove their explosive growth from day one. With an emphasis on emotional connection, tech-forward operations, and agile leadership, Charles and Nick’s story is packed with battle-tested strategies and hard-earned insights for any law firm looking to stand out — and win — in today’s hyper-competitive market.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction
03:11 – From Law School Roommates to Law Firm Founders
06:19 – Building the Firm During Uncertainty and Sleepless Nights
11:45 – The Turning Point: A Case That Changed Everything
14:31 – Competing in One of the Nation’s Toughest Legal Markets
18:34 – Team Composition, Growth Strategy, and Embracing AI
23:37 – Leadership Lessons: Individual Focus and Effective Communication
27:55 – Defining Firm Culture: Excellence, Empathy & Evolution
42:08 – Personal Growth, Client Experience & What’s Next
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Links & Resources:
Charles Buist
Nicholas Spetsas
Mark Cuban
Lior Weinstein
Chris Voss
The Bachelorette
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Are you questioning the traditional trajectory of the legal profession and craving a game plan to grow your firm and live a more fulfilling life?
In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with powerhouse plaintiffs attorney Ben Glass — founder of Ben Glass Law, best-selling author, and the visionary behind Great Legal Marketing. You’ll hear how Ben redefined success on his own terms — from growing up as the oldest of seven to launching a movement that’s transforming how attorneys lead their firms and their lives.
Here’s what you’ll learn:
Discover how to align your law firm with your personal values to drive greater fulfillment, enhance team cohesion, and deliver a client experience that creates lasting loyalty
Understand the critical mindset shifts that empower firm owners to break free from guilt, expand their capacity for growth, and actively seek ways to continue to learn
Implement bold, practical marketing strategies that cut through the noise while simultaneously cultivating a high-performing culture where your team is inspired, aligned, and driven to win
Tune in as Ben shares the mindset shifts that shaped his path, the impact of athletics on building resilience, and why he's on a mission to help lawyers stop settling and start living. If you're ready to challenge the status quo and build a firm that reflects your purpose and potential, this episode delivers the clarity and strategy you’ve been looking for.
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Show Notes:
00:00 – Introduction
03:15 – From Soccer Fields to Courtrooms: Ben’s Journey into Law
08:42 – What Playing Left Fullback Taught Ben About Business
11:52 – Living Life Big: Designing a Practice Around What Matters
16:48 – Why Lawyer Wellness Starts with Choosing a Better Default
20:16 – The Mindset Shifts That Unlock Entrepreneurial Freedom
26:38 – Standing Out with Grassroots Marketing (and Answering the Phone)
29:43 – Building a Team That Stays, Grows, and Recruits for You
39:13 – The Secret Power of Podcasting and Repurposing Content
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Links & Resources:
BenGlassLaw
Crisp
The Game Changing Attorney by Michael Mogill
TikTok
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