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So many of us take soul-sucking jobs for a living, while we promise ourselves that weâll write at night or on the weekends⊠but years go by and we havenât made progress, and instead feel defeated and depressed. If youâre in this camp, know that youâre not alone. Sonal Champsee is back on the Secret Library podcast to share her day job tales from software engineering, freelance writing, and real estate before focusing entirely on her own writing career. But more writing time doesnât necessarily lead to ease and flow. Tune into the full episode to learn how sheâs moved through the obstacles in her writing life.
Topics:
* Sonalâs history with engineering, freelance copywriting, and real estate on the search for financial freedom to focus on writing
* The small writing steps that Sonal took to sustain herself while working in jobs she hated
* Struggling with consistency and deadlines as an author when only accountable to yourself
* Handling rejection and finding an editor who really cares and keeps you motivated
* Remembering that uncertainty as a new (and veteran) writer is normal as you cultivate trust and confidence
* What Sonal would tell her younger writing self and the habit she wished she had developed sooner
Resources:
* Sonalâs past ep: Stone Soup: Murky Middle Advice | Sonal Champsee
About Sonal:
Sonal Champseeâs short fiction and essays have been published by magazines such as The New Quarterly, Ricepaper, and Todayâs Parent. Her novel-in-progress, Everyone Canât Be Wrong, was shortlisted for the 2022 UBC/HarperCollins Canada Best New Fiction prize. She was a finalist for the Writerâs Union of Canadaâs 2017 Emerging Writers Short Prose contest, and has had a play produced by Prathidhwani Drama Wing in Seattle. Sonal holds an MFA in Creative Writing from UBC, and has studied writers such as with Gail Anderson-Dargatz, Sarah Selecky, Zsuzsi Gartner and Jessica Westhead. She served on the prose editorial board for PRISM International for five years, and is a creative writing instructor for Sarah Seleckyâs Writing School. Sonal lives in Toronto.
Connect with Sonal:
* Website
* Instagram: @sonalchampsee
* Subscriber to Sonal's Newsletter
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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I canât think of anyone more fitting for our penultimate episode of the season than Jacqueline Winspear, a Secret Library veteran and author of 20+ books. Her series, Maisie Dobbs, ends this spring after two decades with the release of The Comfort of Ghosts this spring*.* Throughout our conversation, Jacqueline shares how she knew the series was ready to wrap and what to include in the last book. We discuss whatâs next for Jacqueline, and the need to give yourself permission to write the story that keeps calling you. Iâm so honored to have Jacqueline on during this special season of her career, and know youâll find tons of gems in this episode.
Topics:
* How Jacqueline knew her upcoming novel would be the final (and 18th) book in her Maisie Dobbs series
* How to stop plot from overtaking character development, especially through a series
* How to wrap up the last book if you have a big cast
* The different ways Jacqueline explores the impact of war in Maisie Dobbs
* Next books Jacqueline is considering working on.
* The growth that writing memoirs brings and how it can inform fiction writing
* Overcoming being âtypecastâ as an author to resist being stuck in one lane
Episode Resources:
* Upcoming Maisie Dobbs: The Comfort of Ghosts
* Listen: Jacqueline Winspear | Publishing a Series
* Listen: #144 : Staying Motivated through Dark Places | Jacqueline Winspear
About Jacqueline:
Jacqueline Winspear is the author of eighteen novels in the award-winning, New York Times, National and International bestselling series featuring psychologist-investigator Maisie Dobbs. In addition, Jacquelineâs 2023 non-series novel, The White Lady, was a New York Times and National bestseller, and her 2014 WW1 novel, The Care and Management of Lies, was again a New York Times and National bestseller, as well as a Dayton Literary Peace Prize finalist. Jacqueline has also published two non-fiction books, What Would Maisie Do? and an Edgar-nominated memoir, This Time Next Year Weâll Be Laughing. Jacquelineâs work encompasses essays and journalism covering a wide range of subjects, from women working in wildfire management to articles on international education and social history.
Connect with Jacqueline:
* Website
* Facebook
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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Approaching the topic of money can be hard because it not only brings up feelings of stress, overwhelm, scarcity, and more â but it also can have a massive effect on our nervous system. The good news, though? We can use different techniques to heal and train our nervous system and how we respond to stressful situations. Sonya Brewer, psychotherapist, trauma specialist and relationship expert, joins me today on the Secret Library Podcast. We discuss how she helps people safely engage with money topics so it feels helpful rather than creating more fear and difficulty. This conversation gave me so much relief (and honestly, a bit of excitement) for not only how I face my finances, but how I can actively consider feelings about worth, my work, and my money mindset. If youâre someone who is typically avoidant of all things money, this one is for you.
Topics:
* How Sonya helps people safely engage with money topics without creating more fear and difficulty
* Normalizing the feelings that come up about money and the automatic flight, fight or freeze mode our nervous system can respond with
* Putting your creativity and financial awareness together (by actually creating space) to protect your mental health and your finances
* The Internal Family Systems therapy model and how it can impact how you engage with @ money
* How to productively communicate with your inner critic
* Balancing protecting your dreams with connecting with people who support your dreaming
* Reframing your relationship with fear and knowing that itâs just the price of admission
Episode Resources
* Internal Family Systems by Richard C. Schwartz
About Sonya
Sonya Brewer is a trauma specialist and relationship expert who specializes in creative life and relationship design for overachieving trauma survivors and their partners. She loves helping trauma survivors feel more alive, connected and authentic so they can create the lives and relationships they truly want.
Connect with Sonya
* Badass Boundaries
* Instagram: @sonyabrewersomatics
* Facebook
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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Thereâs historical fiction, then thereâs pre-historical fiction. Judith Lindberghâs newest book is based in the 5th century BC and sheâs masterful at not only researching but connecting the past to her readers today. Iâm thrilled to have her on this episode of the Secret Library as she shares her experiences of working with a large traditional publisher, then transferring to a smaller press. Judith is also no stranger to rejection, and she shares how the power of community is the core thing that encouraged her to keep going. Whether youâre wanting to write something that goes against the grain of contemporary fiction, or you are having trouble finding motivation after rejection, thereâs so much to learn from this episode. Enjoy!
Topics:
* Judithâs story of getting dropped after a really successful first (published) book and how she overcame this
* Creative ideas for using your advance that isnât soul sucking and how this has sustained Judith for 15 years
* The value of community as a writer, especially through the lulls and rejections when you want to quit writing
* Judithâs current experience with a smaller press after her first publication with Viking
* How Judith has researched, created, and has begun executing her own book marketing/tour
* Judithâs inspiration for writing about women warriors and a matriarchal culture and how she uses this to drive engagement to her book
* Recognizing the different ways we evolve through our writing and how it impacts the stories we tell
Resources:
* About Akmaral
* Madeline Miller
* Sue Mon Kidd
* The Siberian Ice Maiden
About Judith:
Judith Lindberghâs new novel, Akmaral, about a nomad woman warrior on the ancient Central Asian steppes, is forthcoming from Regal House Publishing on May 7, 2024. Her debut novel, The Thrallâs Tale, about three women in the first Viking Age settlement in Greenland, was an IndieBound Pick, a Borders Original Voices Selection, and praised by Pulitzer Prize winners Geraldine Brooks and Robert Olen Butler. Her work has appeared in numerous publications including in Newsweek, Zibby Magazine, Next Avenue, Writerâs Digest, Edible Jersey, Literary Mama, Archaeology Magazine, Other Voices, and UP HERE: The North at the Center of the World published by University of Washington Press. She also contributed to the Smithsonian Institutionâs exhibition Vikings: The Norse Atlantic Saga and provided expert commentary on two documentary series for The History Channel. Judith received a 2024 Fellowship from the New Jersey State Council on the Arts. She is the Founder/Director of The Writers Circle, a New Jersey-based creative writing center where she teaches aspiring and accomplished writers from ages 8-80.
Connect with Judith:
* Website
* Instagram: @judithlindbergh
* Facebook
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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My guest this week is Carl Richards, who is the author of the One Page Financial Plan: A simple way to be smart about your money, and the Behavior Gap: Simple ways to stop doing dumb things with money. He was also the creator of the Sketch Guy Column, which appeared weekly for a decade in the New York Times. Carl has many other qualifications, but I wanted to include him in this season of the SLP because of his incredible ability to distill concepts down about money, meaning, the ways we interact with money, the ways we support and nurture our creativity by viewing money as another resource, along with our time our effort, our energy â our life force, This conversation had many brain exploding, exciting moments. It was such a joy to speak with Carl, and I'm delighted to share this conversation with you. I think it will surprise you and I can't wait to hear what you think.
Topics:
* Carlâs philosophy when thinking about money and the rift that is currently causing so many problems
* How profit equals permission and allows us to access the things we really care about
* Time, money, energy and attention as the four uses of capital and how to employ them
* Managing the tension of wanting to do something new but feeling too scared
* Learning to be okay with failure and letting it teach you something
* Being intentional with what you want your pinnacle of success or happiness to look like
* Focusing on the pursuit of craft to find enduring happiness
Episode Resources:
* Your Money or Your Life by Vicki Robin
* When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron
* 50 Fires Podcast
* So Good They Canât Ignore You by Cal Newport
About Carl:
Carl Richards is a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNERâą and the director of investor education for the BAM ALLIANCE, a community of over 130 independent wealth management firms throughout the United States. He is the creator of the weekly Sketch Guy column in the The New York Times, and is a columnist for Morningstar Advisor. Carl has also been featured on Marketplace Money, The Leonard Lopate Show, Oprah.com and Forbes.com. In addition, Carl has become a frequent keynote speaker at financial planning conferences and visual learning events around the world.
Through his simple sketches, Carl makes complex financial concepts easy to understand. His sketches also serve as the foundation for his first book, The Behavior Gap: Simple Ways to Stop Doing Dumb Things with Money (Portfolio/Penguin). Carlâs art appeared in a solo show at the Kimball Art Center, in Park City, Utah. Other showings include The Parsonâs Gallery in New York, The Shultz Museum, and an exhibit at the Mansion House in London. His commissioned work is on display in businesses and educational institutions across the country. He lives with his family in Park City, Utah.
Connect with Carl:
* Website
* Behavior Gap Radio
* Instagram: @behaviorgap
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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My guest this week is Billy Broas. He is the author, along with Tiago Forte, of the forthcoming Simple Marketing for Smart People. Before you panicabout the word marketing, hear me out. Billy's created systems to help creative and nerdy people understand marketing, like those of us who write and love books. Iâve studied with Billy to help me get the word out about courses and books at Book Alchemy and the Secret Library. I wanted to share Billy's expertise with you for us to help get your wonderful books in the hands of readers who will enjoy and benefit from them. The first step: they need to know yours books exist. Letâs get started with Billy Broas!
Topics:
* How Billy transitioned from brewmaster to marketing consultant and why he chose to write this book
* How todayâs approach to email and social media have watered down writing and marketing; learning from old school methods of good storytelling
* How to reach readers without giving up your identity
* The five guiding principles of Billyâs messaging framework
* How being yourself unreservedly helps you find the best readers for your work
* Knowing you arenât writing your book for to be even clearer in who you want to reach
Episode Resources:
* Building a Second Brain
* The Five Light Bulbs
Connect with Billy:
* Website
* Instagram: @fivelightbulbs
* Facebook
* LinkedIn
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Summary:
Todayâs episode of the Secret Library is such a treat â we are joined by Erika Rasure, an internationally recognized leader, educator, and researcher in holistic financial wellness. Throughout the episode, we chat about our respective experiences as writers who are also Enneagram 4s and how Erika uses the Enneagram in her work. We also spend a lot of time talking about how creatives often wait for the âperfect conditionsâ before starting their work, but in reality, these circumstances donât actually exist and we have to be willing to change our conditions and take the next step forward. Erika shares why this barrier alone was almost the reason she didnât write her upcoming book that she is now co-authoring with Bari Tessler. I feel honored to witness such vulnerability from Erika because this transparency is something that the creative space so dearly needs. Enjoy!
Topics:
* How Erika found herself in the financial therapy and transformational coaching space and when she got the idea to write her book
* Why Erika loves the Enneagram and how she leans on this in her work with her clients
* The shame, vulnerability, and innermost thoughts that many authors face when writing their books (and wanting to make money from it)
* How Erika experienced the loss of motivation when it came to her writing and entrepreneurship and becoming comfortable with asking for support
* Finding a path forward even if the conditions you find yourself in arenât the most favorable and how Erika came across the opportunity to co-author with Bari Tessler
* The importance of internal work to help make things happen for you on the outside
Episode Resources:
* The Art of Money Mentorship Program
* Find your Enneagram
Connect with Erika:
* LinkedIn
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Summary:
What if book franchises were as extensive as movie franchises? Would you buy a perfume or a sweater that was curated specifically for your favorite book? Finding new ways to make money as a writer is a theme throughout season 10 and Iâm excited to dig deeper with Heidi Fiedler in todayâs episode of the Secret Library. Heidi is a writer and editor who has worked on hundreds of childrenâs books, giving her tons of experience in the publishing world â traditional and indie. We share our hopes for a future where the burden of success is taken off the writerâs back, where the publishing industry is more collaborative and creative. If youâre dreaming about possibilities for the future of publishing, this episode is for you.
Topics:
* What Heidi is currently asking herself about money and writing
* Recent changes that Heidi has noticed with veteran writers asking, âHow do I make this work?â
* The disconnect between how many books are being sold and writer income
* Why the idea of âsmaller press, smaller moneyâ isnât necessarily true, plus the pros and cons of smaller advances
* Getting creative with ways writers make money to create an all-encompassing experience
* Patterns Heidi has seen with income for childrenâs books authors
* Brighter spots of hope for writers to earn more in this day and age
* Why Caroline and Heidi want you to pursue your âwhat ifâ idea of a book
Episode Resources:
* Le Labo Fragrances
* Plotting and Writing Suspense Fiction by Patricia Highsmith
* The Sentence by Louise Erdrich
About Heidi:
Writer and editor Heidi Fiedler has worked on hundreds of childrenâs books for clients ranging from Chronicle to Bravery Magazine. She teaches masterclasses and coaches writers, so they can move forward with confidence and ease. She lives in Massachusetts with her husband, mother, and son.
Connect with Heidi:
* Website
* Instagram: @heidifiedler
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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Summary
This week on the Secret Library podcast, my guest is Kern Carter. Kern Carter, based in Toronto, Canada, is an author, educator, and mentor celebrated for his captivating storytelling. With three books published and two more on the horizon for 2024, Kern has garnered critical acclaim and a devoted following. Through partnerships with various organizations, he amplifies the voices of countless writers who may not have had the opportunity otherwise. Kern's dedication extends to teaching part-time at a local college and conducting workshops on writing craft and the business of being an author. This conversation made me feel like a human bottle of champagne, and I cannot think of a better episode to share for Leap Day. We chat about diversifying your income as an author, self-publishing vs. traditional publishing, and how to thrive as an artist. So let's leap ahead with Kern Carter.
Topics
* What made Kern create Writers Are Superstars and the foundation it was built on
* Why making money as a writer needs to be centered but why so often we put it to the background
* Breaking up with the belief that writers need to be tortured and The Real Writer mentality
* The dichotomy of being considered a real writer only if youâre traditionally published rather than self-published
* Multiple forms of income as the writerâs solution to thriving
* Some of the creative projects that Kern has/is currently worked on to bring in more income
* Highlighting the value add of writers and why itâs time to start showcasing this
* Exploring technology to find ways that artists can be compensated every time their work is engaged with
* Discussing if thereâs a public benefit to an author being signed to a publisher
Episode Resources
* Writers Are Superstars
* Trapital Podcast
* Poor Things (movie)
Connect with Kern
* Website
* Instagram: @kerncarter
About Kern
âWriting made me brave. The words that fear prevented me from saying verbally effortlessly poured onto pages. When my first, independent book came out in 2014, and readers I didnât know sent me messages about what it meant to themâwhat my words meant to their livesâit changed me. It gave me the confidence to start speaking out loud the words that were in my head but paralyzed by anxiety. And when thousands of copies were sold, when high schools incorporated my story into their classroom and local bookstores carried and sold copies, I felt unleashed.
When I signed my first publishing deal in 2021, it felt fateful that it was a story about young boys and girls. Those years of uncertainty and insecurity are still clear in my mind, further exaggerated when I became a parent at 18. So when I write these stories, I invent the characters and situations, but all of the emotions I infuse into these characters are based on genuine emotions Iâve experienced.â
Work with Caroline:
* Work with Caroline 1:1
* Join the waitlist for the Manageable Yet Meaningful Writing Lab
* Learn more about individual course options
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My first guest this season is Bari Tessler, author of The Art of Money, The Art of Money Workbook, and the creator of the year long Art of Money School. She has been my money mentor since I met her over 20 years ago. I knew she had to be our first guest for this season because she was the first guest ever on this show, and has generously brought the art of money into all of our conversations. In this episode, we look at money beliefs creatives hold about themselves and how we can change these stories when they no longer fit. I know you're going to love hearing from Bari Tessler and I canât wait to hear your epiphanies!
Topics
* The disconnects that Bari has seen with her creative clients between setting fees and covering their personal and business/creative expenses
* Understanding the lifelong relationship you have with money
* How Bari believes we can merge our creativity with your business savvy
* The different practices and rituals that can help us engage with money as a creative force
* Dismantling the belief that enjoying what you're doing means youâre not allowed to make money (we also explore the idea of âselling outâ!)
* Allowing your business model to change to fit your current circumstances and needs
* The calm and clarity that can come from renaming expense categories
* New ways to connect to your work and make money as a writer
Connect with Bari
* The Art of Money
* Website
* Instagram: @baritessler
* LinkedIn
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Welcome back to the Secret Library podcast! In season 10, we are switching up the show in more ways than one, the first of which is starting with a solo episode.
This time around, we are looking at money. The world has been shaky for the past several years and economic shifts really hurt those on the fringes first while the upturns benefit us last. Letâs get ahead of this conversation, moving toward prevention and flexibility. I have found that making a plan and engaging with it on my terms as much as possible feels better, even if there is so much that's outside of my control. Youâll hear my history with money as a writer and how Iâve built my business around writing so that Iâm not constantly pushing my own goals to the end of my to-do list as well as the stories of other writers in coming episodes. Letâs dive in!
Topics:
* The importance of taking the time to think about what you want from writing
* Why writing and money is a symbiotic relationship and why itâs okay to want to earn money or not yet earn money and still call yourself a writer
* Carolineâs past relationship with money and how itâs shifted, especially since moving abroad and realizing she could build a business around writing
* Making sure youâre not pushing your own writing goals to the end of your to-do list
* Transparency of the money it takes to run Carolineâs business and how itâs constantly evolved and will continue to
* How surrender and flexibility are the most useful things you can bring to writing (rather than discipline)
Episode Resources:
* Learn more about how you can work with Caroline
* V.E. Schwab
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This is the final episode of season ninth season of the Secret Library. In this episode, there's no guest, it's just you and me to take a final look at this very important topic, which is publishing now, which is constantly changing. Over the past eight years of hosting the show, it's always been my goal to address each topic in such a way that it will be valid for a long time, I wanted to create a library of interviews and conversations that would be supportive to a writer discovering the show at any point. But given how much publishing has changed recently, I decided it was necessary to mark the time and to look at publishing in 2023. Not publishing, anytime, because publishing any time isn't really a thing that we can hold on to anymore, there are too many things that are changing â and let's face it, publishing has always been evolving, every creative field is always evolving. So join me in this wrap up and to hear about the future of the podcast!
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Weâve got a repeat guest this week on the podcast to give us such a fun update! AL Berggren was on the show in season six to share about her self-publishing journey, and this week sheâs back to let us know where her book, Secret Crying Minds, stands! Sheâs been working with BooksOffice to get her novel adapted to film, one of her lifelong dreams and the motivation behind all of her writing. Along with that, we also talk about getting focused to endure day-long writing sessions to prioritize the work that needs to get done. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did! Iâll be back next week with a solo episode and exciting news regarding the future of the show.
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Weâve had a lot of amazing authors on the show to date, but something we havenât highlighted as much are the authors of childrenâs books. So with that, Iâm so excited to have Jo Loring-Fisher on the show today to give us a bit of insight on the publishing process of a childrenâs book and how it differs from other genres. Jo has so much to share about her journey a writer, what she wishes she would have known, and the state of creative arts today. I learned a bit and I think you will, too!
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Itâs always such a treat to read a novel that has a main character who is a writer, but writing a main character who is a writer is a whole different thing. Huma Qureshi, author of Playing Games, is on the Secret Library today and sheâs sharing her journey of finally writing the book that she knew she was always meant to write â even in her 40s. Huma talks through the magic of flow, humanizing your characters, and working through every motion of the writing process. This episode is such a delight.
Connect with Caroline on Instagram: @carodonahue
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Iâm delighted to have Craig Mod, book producer and author, on the show today. In our conversation, he shares how he created his own press after receiving rejection after rejection. We also get to hear about his creative process which is a real treat because Craigâs books are really like no other, they are a work of art alongside amazing writing. Craig shows us how you can do publishing your own way, thereâs so much to takeaway from this episode. Itâs my hope youâll leave feeling a little bit more confident about whichever publishing avenue you decide to take your own book in.
Connect with Caroline on Instagram: @carodonahue
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What a rare moment to have the perspective of literary agent and author on the podcast. Jennifer Herrera is on the Secret Library today and sheâs sharing the current state of the publishing industry â most notably, how you can write to make sure youâre a sure thing in this risk-adverse environment. So much to learn from this episode!
Connect with Caroline on Instagram: @carodonahue
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This might be one of the most vulnerable episodes of the Secret Library Iâve shared so far. Joanna Penn joins and shares why sheâs chosen to publish on Kickstarter rather than going the traditional route. We also do a bit of a live coaching session as we talk through the shadow over all, but also my shadow about publishing. Learn how to embrace it, and get the courage to put your work out there (all of it!). This episode is full of gems, enjoy!
Connect with Caroline on Instagram: @carodonahue.
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Sometimes it feels like authors are psychic, right? The books they write are published in the exactly right historical moment which makes their work immediately timeless. This is certainly the case for Kerri Maher and her most recent book, All You Have to Do Is Call, which focuses on the true story of Chicagoâs Jane Collective and the brave women who fought for reproductive rights. In our conversation today Kerri and I unpack the timing phenomenon, how she balances the POV and arcs of all of her characters, and the hopes she has for the book. Enjoy!
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Halloween will be here before we know it, and to get into the spirit Iâm excited to share this episode with Laura Sims, author of Looker and her newest book, How Can I Help You, which explores the darker side of humanity â all happening within a library which is a delight. Laura masters the art of rotating POV and dialogue in her newest work, so we dive into that and much more throughout this ep. Enjoy!
Connect with Caroline on Instagram: @carodonahue
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