Episodes

  • Ep 55: The Butterfly Women: Melbourne’s Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary

    Ep 55: The Butterfly Women: Melbourne’s Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary

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    The Butterfly Women: Melbourne’s Hidden Histories & Murder Mysteries with Madeleine Cleary Step back in time with Chelle and Leanne as they chat with debut author Madeleine Cleary about her captivating historical novel, The Butterfly Women. Set in the shadowy streets of 1863 Melbourne, this story weaves together romance, drama, and a murder mystery—all through the eyes of two unforgettable women: Johanna Callahan, an Irish immigrant working in a brothel, and Harriet Gardner, a determined journalist on the hunt for a serial killer. Madeleine shares the wild ride of researching and writing her book (think: archives, family secrets, and a dash of footy-mum book clubs!), and what it means to shine a light on the complex, gritty, and often overlooked lives of women in 19th-century Australia. In this episode: The real-life family history that inspired The Butterfly Women—and how Madeleine’s infamous ancestor became a character in her novel What it took to research Melbourne’s notorious Little Lon district (spoiler: years of digging through archives and old newspapers!) The challenges and joys of balancing historical accuracy with page-turning storytelling How the book evolved from a quiet literary novel to a full-on murder mystery, complete with red herrings and footy-mum sleuths The power and agency of women—even in the toughest circumstances—and the entrepreneurial spirit of Melbourne’s brothel keepers Madeleine’s writing process, from train commutes to tight deadlines, and her advice for aspiring authors A sneak peek at Madeleine’s next project, inspired by another family mystery

    Discussion prompt:
    What’s your favourite historical fiction set in Australia, or a family story you wish someone would turn into a novel? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club!

    PS: If you love stories that blend real history, complex women, and a good old-fashioned whodunit, The Butterfly Women is a must-read. And keep an eye out for Madeleine’s next book—she’s just getting started!

  • Ep 54: How to Dodge Flying Sandals with Daniel Nour

    Ep 54: How to Dodge Flying Sandals with Daniel Nour

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    Join Chelle and Leanne as they sit down with debut memoirist Daniel Nour to discuss his sharp, funny, and deeply moving book, How to Dodge Flying Sandals. Part coming-of-age tale, part cultural reflection, Daniel’s memoir captures what it’s like to grow up queer, Egyptian, and Australian—all while navigating family expectations, church traditions, and the sometimes absurd challenge of figuring out who you are.

    With humor, honesty, and compassion, Daniel shares how writing his story helped him reconcile his own identity, forgive himself (and others), and carve out a space where he belongs.

    In this episode:

    The metaphor behind “dodging flying sandals”—and what it reveals about cultural discipline, expectations, and resilience

    How humor became Daniel’s coping mechanism and storytelling superpower

    Balancing family love with personal authenticity, even when values clash

    Why representation matters, and how migrant voices challenge mainstream stereotypes in Australia

    The concept of “letting in” rather than “coming out” when it comes to sharing your true self

    Discussion prompt:
    What expectations have you had to “dodge” in order to become more fully yourself? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club—we’d love to hear your story.

    PS: If you enjoy memoirs that blend humor, identity, and heart, How to Dodge Flying Sandals is a must-read. And keep an ear out for Daniel—this is just the beginning of his storytelling journey.

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  • Ep 53: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World

    Ep 53: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World

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    Episode: By Her Hand: Marion Taffe on Finding Voice and Courage in a Violent World What does it take for a young woman to find her voice in a world determined to silence her? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne sit down with debut author Marion Taffe to explore her powerful historical novel, By Her Hand. Set in the wild, windswept Peak District of Mercia in AD 910, the story follows Freda—a girl who dreams of writing, longs for her father’s approval, and must navigate a world full of danger, loss, and impossible choices. Marion shares her journey from journalism to fiction, the six-year process of bringing Freda’s story to life, and the inspiration she drew from Old English poetry and fierce women of history. This episode is a celebration of women’s courage, the complexity of emotions, and the importance of breaking the rules to find your own voice—on the page and beyond. In this episode: The inspiration behind By Her Hand and the real historical women who helped shape Freda’s character Marion’s transition from a globe-trotting journalist to a debut novelist—and why fiction was her next big leap The painstaking research, rewrites, and pandemic pivots that shaped the novel (plus a cameo from Marion’s kids learning medieval history at home!) How Marion balanced historical accuracy with vivid storytelling, from Old English poetry to the book’s striking cover design by Sandy Cole The emotional journey of Freda: from fear and anger to courage and self-expression Why learning the rules—and then breaking them—is essential for writers and dreamers alike Marion’s advice for anyone struggling to find their voice or push back against expectations Discussion prompt:
    What’s a “rule” you’ve had to break to be true to yourself? Or, which historical era would you love to see through the eyes of a fierce female character? Join us on Instagram or in the book club to share your thoughts! PS: If you’re drawn to stories of resilience, creativity, and women who fight for their place in the world, By Her Hand is a must-read. Let us know your favorite moments and what resonated with you most!

  • Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women

    Ep 52: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women

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    Between The Lines – Episode: Coffee, Confessions & Connection: Saman Shad on The Sex Lives of Married Women What happens when three women—each with their own secrets, struggles, and cultural backgrounds—form an unlikely alliance over coffee, cocktails, and confessions? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne chat with Saman Shad about her bold, witty, and refreshingly honest novel, The Sex Lives of Married Women. Saman, a true “third culture kid,” draws on her globe-spanning experiences to create characters who are as complex as they are relatable. Together, they explore the messy realities of marriage, motherhood, and friendship—plus the power of open, honest conversations about intimacy and pleasure. In this episode: The story behind The Sex Lives of Married Women and why Saman wanted to write about female friendship and vulnerability What it means to be a third culture kid—and how that shapes relationships, identity, and storytelling Navigating cultural dynamics in modern marriages and friendships The challenges (and importance!) of writing about sex, pleasure, and real intimacy in long-term relationships How modern communication tools like WhatsApp and LinkedIn make their way into fiction—and real life Why female friendships matter, and how honesty, humor, and support can get us through even the toughest times Saman’s hopes for the book to inspire readers to have braver, more open conversations—about sex, relationships, and everything in between.

    Discussion prompt:
    Has a friendship ever helped you see your relationship or yourself in a new light? Or, what’s a conversation you wish women could have more openly? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club!

    PS: If you’re looking for a read that’s equal parts hilarious, heartfelt, and honest, The Sex Lives of Married Women should be at the top of your pile. And if you love supporting Australian authors, grab a copy and pass it on!

  • Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck

    Ep 51: Turning Toward the Tough Stuff: Dr. Emily Musgrove on Getting Unstuck

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    Between The Lines – Episode: Unstuck with Dr. Emily Musgrove Ever feel like you’re spinning your wheels—stuck in the same old patterns, wishing for change but not sure where to start? This episode is for you! 🎧 Leanne and Chelle sit down with Dr. Emily Musgrove, clinical psychologist and author of “Unstuck,” to unpack practical, relatable strategies for moving through life’s challenges (without the jargon!). Dr. Emily brings warmth, wisdom, and a refreshing honesty about what it really takes to live by your values—even when life gets messy. In this episode: Why pain is a universal part of being human—and how resisting it can keep us stuck How to use your values as a compass, not a checklist The real reason change feels so hard (spoiler: staying stuck can be even harder!) Parenting truths: breaking old patterns, repairing ruptures, and embracing imperfection The power of self-compassion, mindfulness, and making choices that align with what matters most Dr. Emily’s own journey writing “Unstuck” and balancing life as a parent, professional, and author Whether you’re a parent, a therapy-curious listener, or just someone looking for a little hope and practical wisdom, you’ll walk away with new tools—and a reminder that you’re not alone in the hard stuff. ✹ Discussion prompt: What’s one value you want to live by more intentionally this week? Share your thoughts with us on Instagram or in the book club! Want more? Grab a copy of “Unstuck” and join our Between The Lines Book Club for ongoing conversations about books that move us—and help us move forward.

  • Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne’s Masterclass in Human Nature

    Ep 50: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers - John Boyne’s Masterclass in Human Nature

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    Between The Lines – Episode: The Elements Series: Crime, Compassion & Cliffhangers Ever finish a book and just need to talk about it? Multiply that by four, and you’ll get Chelle and Leanne’s reaction to John Boyne’s “The Elements” series! This week, our hosts dive into “Water,” “Earth,” “Fire,” and “Air”—four compact but powerful novellas that weave together stories of crime, guilt, trauma, and redemption. Boyne’s storytelling is masterful: each book stands alone but also connects into a larger, unforgettable tapestry of human experience. The characters—a mother on the run, a rising soccer star, a surgeon with secrets, and a father on a journey of transformation—are complex, flawed, and oh-so-relatable. The result? A reading experience that’s both disturbing and deeply moving. In this episode: The unique structure of “The Elements” series and how each novella brings a new perspective Why Boyne’s approach to responsibility and redemption feels so real (and sometimes hits a little too close to home) How the books challenge our ideas of good, bad, judgment, and compassion The emotional rollercoaster of connecting with characters who make questionable choices for all-too-human reasons Cliffhangers that will have you reaching for the next book (trust us: buy the whole set!) Why this series is one of Chelle and Leanne’s top recommendations—and the kind of stories that linger long after the last page Discussion prompt:
    Which element—Water, Earth, Fire, or Air—pulled you in the most? Did you find yourself judging or empathizing with the characters? We’d love to hear your thoughts, reactions, and wildest theories—join the conversation on Instagram or in the book club!

    PS: If you’re ready for a binge-worthy, emotionally rich reading experience, grab all four novellas and let us know which one you couldn’t put down. Spoiler chat is totally encouraged!

  • Ep 49: The Let Them Theory: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You

    Ep 49: The Let Them Theory: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You

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    Between The Lines – Episode: Let Them: Boundaries, Bold Claims & Being True to You Ever wish you could care a little less about what others think? This week, Chelle and Leanne dive into Mel Robbins’ buzzy new book, “The Let Them Theory”—a guide that promises to free us from the weight of other people’s opinions (and maybe even our own inner critic). But is it really that simple? Our hosts dig into the heart of the “Let Them” concept, exploring both its empowering message and the nuances that come with it—especially for women who are used to putting everyone else first. In this episode: What the “Let Them” theory is all about—and why it’s taking over Instagram The good, the bold, and the controversial: from self-acceptance to plagiarism rumors Cultural differences—does “letting them” look different in Australia vs. the US? How to set boundaries without building walls (especially if you have a trauma history) Real talk about self-help claims: can two words really change your life? Chelle and Leanne’s personal stories of trying out the “Let Them” mindset in everyday life Why the book might be extra helpful (or a little tricky) for women who carry the emotional load A little food for thought:
    Is “letting them” always the answer, or do some situations call for speaking up and staying connected? Chelle and Leanne don’t shy away from the tough questions—and they want to hear your take! ✹ Discussion prompt: When have you had to “let them”—and how did it feel? Share your story with us on Instagram! PS: Got thoughts on Mel Robbins’ other books, like “The Five Second Rule”? Or want us to invite her on the pod? Let us know—your feedback shapes our next reads and guest wish list!

  • Ep 48: The Stitch Up: Unpacking Kate Solly’s Paradise Heights Tale

    Ep 48: The Stitch Up: Unpacking Kate Solly’s Paradise Heights Tale

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    Between The Lines – Episode: Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up with Kate Solly What happens when a mother of three, a missing charity store item, and a tight-knit Melbourne community collide? In this episode, Chelle and Leanne welcome back Kate Solly to chat about her latest novel, Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up—a story brimming with humor, heart, and a dash of mystery. Kate takes us behind the scenes of Fleck’s world: a mum who feels invisible, yet uses that very invisibility as her detective superpower. Together, we explore how motherhood, neurodivergence, and community all shape Fleck’s journey—and why the bonds between women matter more than ever. In this episode: Why feeling invisible as a mum can actually be an advantage (and a detective’s secret weapon!) The joy and chaos of balancing writing with motherhood, and how everyday moments spark creativity Honest, positive representation of neurodivergence through Fleck and Trixie’s friendship The importance of community, belonging, and the volunteers who keep the craft store running Real-life inspirations from Melbourne’s suburbs and why setting matters in storytelling Kate’s candid reflections on ADHD, writing routines, and the power of small steps Favorite moments, laugh-out-loud lines, and why “cahoots” might just be the best word ever

    Discussion prompt:
    Have you ever felt invisible—or unexpectedly powerful—in your own community? What’s one small act of kindness or connection that made a difference for you? Share your story with us on Instagram or in the book club!

    PS: If you love books that celebrate friendship, neurodivergent joy, and the magic of everyday life, Paradise Heights Craft Store Stitch Up belongs on your TBR pile. Let us know your favorite character or moment—we love hearing from you!

  • Ep 47: Healing Through Words: Rachael Coopes on 'The Art of Forgiveness

    Ep 47: Healing Through Words: Rachael Coopes on 'The Art of Forgiveness

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    Guest: Rachael Coopes

    *Interviewed by Chelle Griffin*

    Episode Highlights:

    Introduction to Rachael Coopes: Award-winning actress, writer, and presenter known for her work on Australian television and theater

    Career Journey: Rachael discusses her path from early acting roles to becoming a multifaceted creative professional

    Writing Process: Insights into how Rachael approaches scriptwriting and storytelling across different mediums

    Industry Challenges: Honest conversation about navigating the entertainment industry and overcoming obstacles

    Current Projects: Discussion of Rachael's latest work and upcoming productions

    Creative Inspiration: Rachael shares what drives her creativity and where she finds inspiration

    Advice for Aspiring Creatives: Practical tips for those looking to break into acting and writing

  • Ep 46: Five Seasons in Seoul: A Journey Through Culture and Connection with Christine Newell

    Ep 46: Five Seasons in Seoul: A Journey Through Culture and Connection with Christine Newell

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    In this inspiring episode, we chat with author Christine Newell about her beautiful memoir, Five Seasons in Seoul, which chronicles her transformative year living and teaching in South Korea.

    Christine opens up about the personal challenges that led her to seek a fresh start, her deep cultural immersion, and the powerful impact of Korean traditions—especially the symbolic “five seasons” shaped by Yin and Yang philosophy. She shares how community, kindness, and resilience helped her find healing, purpose, and creative spark.

    We also explore the emotional journey of writing a memoir, the vulnerability of putting your story on the page, and the surprising ways her time in Seoul has shaped her life and career back in Australia.

    In this episode, you’ll hear about:

    Why Christine went to South Korea—and how it changed her

    The meaning behind “Five Seasons” and how it shaped her year abroad

    Cultural rituals, food, and unexpected moments of connection

    Grief, growth, and resilience while living far from home

    The process of writing a memoir and what it’s meant to readers

    Her love of Korean dramas, memoir recommendations, and what’s next on her travel list

    Books Christine recommends:
    📚 Breaking Badly by Georgie Dent
    📚 True Friends by Patti Miller
    📚 Bewildered by Laura Waters

    Where to find Christine’s book:
    Five Seasons in Seoul is available at most bookstores and online.

  • Ep 45: Bridesmaids, Boundaries, and Being Yourself with Rachael Johns

    Ep 45: Bridesmaids, Boundaries, and Being Yourself with Rachael Johns

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    Episode Title: Rachael Johns: The Bad Bridesmaid and the Love of Books Guest: Rachael Johns, Australian Romance Author Key Highlights:

    Discussion of Rachael's latest book "The Bad Bridesmaid"

    Insights into her writing process and inspiration

    Exploration of her love for books and libraries

    Episode Breakdown:

    Book Overview

    Main character: Winnefren (Fred) Darling

    Setting: Norfolk Island

    Plot: Fred tries to stop her mother's sixth wedding

    Inspired by "The Parent Trap" movie concept

    Writing Journey

    Started writing at 17

    Former English teacher

    Known as the "Undisputed Queen of Australian Women's Fiction"

    Book Series Connection

    Linked to previous book "The Other Bridget"

    Features characters from the library where Fred works

    Rachael's Book Club

    6,500 members on Facebook

    Monthly book discussions

    Annual in-person retreats

    Focuses on supporting Australian and women writers

    Personal Insights

    Loves audiobooks

    Passionate about libraries and librarian representation

    Enjoys traveling to research book settings

    Recommended For: Romance readers, book lovers, fans of Australian fiction Contact/Follow:

    Website: RachaelJohns.com

    Facebook: Rachael Johns Book Club

    Book Club Retreat: rachaeljohnsbookclubretreat.com

  • Ep 44: Letting Go: A Deep Dive into Living Untethered by Michael A Singer

    Ep 44: Letting Go: A Deep Dive into Living Untethered by Michael A Singer

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    Podcast Show Notes: Living Untethered with Michael A. Singer Episode Highlights:

    Book: Living Untethered: Beyond the Human Predicament

    Author: Michael A. Singer (New York Times bestselling author)

    Key Themes: Inner peace, self-realization, mindfulness, and personal growth

    Episode Overview: Hosts Leanne and Shel dive deep into Michael Singer's latest book, exploring profound insights about:

    Understanding the universe's complexity

    Separating oneself from thoughts

    Practicing meditation and awareness

    Accepting life's inherent suffering

    Techniques for personal transformation

    Notable Quotes:

    "Resistance creates tension and anxiety, and makes life a burden."

    "The Spirit can end up hiding in the head if living in the heart is too confronting."

    "All of life is suffering" - Buddha

    Practical Takeaways:

    Start with "low hanging fruit" when practicing letting go

    Use meditation to create distance from your thoughts

    Practice being present in the moment

    Recognize that external things don't define your happiness

    Recommended Companion Resource:

    The Untethered Soul Guided Journal: Practices to Journey Beyond Yourself

    Upcoming Book Club Selections:

    Current: The Bee Sting (Join by end of May)

    Next: Dear Digital, We Need to Talk

    Connect: www.betweenthelinesaustralia.com

  • Ep 43: Rebels with Reading Glasses: Clare Pooley on Aging Disgracefully

    Ep 43: Rebels with Reading Glasses: Clare Pooley on Aging Disgracefully

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    Podcast Episode: How to Age Disgracefully with Claire Pooley Guest: Claire Pooley, author of "How to Age Disgracefully", "The Authenticity Project", and "People on Platform Five" Episode Highlights:

    Discussion of Claire's latest novel "How to Age Disgracefully"

    Exploration of multi-generational connections and community

    Insights into writing, aging, and finding purpose

    Key Themes:

    Breaking stereotypes about aging

    The importance of community and human connection

    Humor as a tool for addressing challenging life experiences

    Book Recommendations:

    "Margot" by Ruthie Thorpe

    "The Wedding People"

    "What Does It Feel Like?" by Sophie Kinsella

    Claire's Writing Insights:

    Writes most creatively in early morning

    Believes in the power of a "triumphant second act"

    Passionate about challenging ageism and celebrating wisdom

    Memorable Quote: "Every woman should have a triumphant second act." About the Author: Claire Pooley is a former advertising professional who published her first novel at 50, celebrating diverse characters and unlikely communities in her writing.

  • Ep 42: Work, Travel, Thrive: Designing a Bleisure Life with Emma Lovell

    Ep 42: Work, Travel, Thrive: Designing a Bleisure Life with Emma Lovell

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    In this episode, Emma Lovell discusses her book "The Art of Pleasure" and shares insights on combining work, leisure, and self-care to create a fulfilling lifestyle. Key Highlights:

    Emma's philosophy of "pleasure life" - traveling the world, making money, and living life on your own terms

    Strategies for blending business and leisure

    Importance of work-life harmony over work-life balance

    Travel experiences and goals (76 countries visited)

    Practical tips for incorporating more pleasure into daily life

    Notable Quotes:

    "It's not about waiting until everything is perfect to live your dream life"

    "Pleasure is a mindset and a lifestyle, not just a destination"

    Guest Bio: Emma Lovell is an author, speaker, and coach specializing in helping people design lives that combine work, travel, and personal fulfillment. She has visited 76 countries and continues to explore the world while running her business. Upcoming Travel Plans:

    Central America trip

    European tour including Finland, Portugal, and potentially Bulgaria

    Panama Canal cruise

    Recommended for listeners interested in:

    Travel hacking

    Lifestyle design

    Work-life integration

    Personal development

  • Ep 41: Sisters in Grief: Navigating Loss and Love in Blue Sisters

    Ep 41: Sisters in Grief: Navigating Loss and Love in Blue Sisters

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    In this episode, Leanne Tran and Chelle Griffin dive into Blue Sisters by Coco Mellors - a raw, layered novel about estranged siblings reunited by grief. Following the death of their sister Nikki, Avery, Bonnie, and Lucky return to their childhood home and are forced to confront the complicated ties that bind them.

    Told from alternating perspectives, Blue Sisters explores themes of identity, sisterhood, and the legacy of family. Leanne and Chelle unpack the emotional weight of the book, share their thoughts on the characters’ extreme lives and inner worlds, and reflect on how relatable the story may be for readers with (or without) sisters of their own.

    Despite mixed reviews from readers and book club members, both hosts recommend the novel for its compelling storytelling and honest look at love, loss, and healing.

    In this episode, you’ll hear about:

    The power and complexity of sisterhood

    Each sister’s unique journey—addiction, ambition, and grief

    Family roles, parental influence, and the burden of birth order

    Romance, resilience, and reinventing yourself after loss

    Why this book sparks mixed reactions—and why it’s still worth the read

    Movie adaptation potential (and their dream cast picks!)

    📖 Blue Sisters is a page-turner with emotional depth—perfect for fans of character-driven family dramas.

    Let us know what you think!
    Join the conversation on Instagram or in our online book club.

  • BONUS Episode: Autumn Reading Pile

    BONUS Episode: Autumn Reading Pile

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  • Ep 40: Get Rich Lucky B****!

    Ep 40: Get Rich Lucky B****!

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  • Ep 39: Sandwich, the meal and the generation.

    Ep 39: Sandwich, the meal and the generation.

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  • Ep 38: Pictures of You with Emma Grey

    Ep 38: Pictures of You with Emma Grey

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  • Ep 37: Women Living Deliciously

    Ep 37: Women Living Deliciously

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