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In this episode, I sit down with Alexander Beiner, a journalist, author, and co-founder of Rebel Wisdom. Our conversation explores the potential role of psychedelics in addressing the complex challenges facing humanity today, referred to as the "meta crisis."
Drawing upon personal experiences, scientific research, and philosophical insights, we dive into topics such as the distinction between complicated and complex problems, the importance of embodiment in healing and growth, and the impact of metaphysical beliefs on culture and behavior. Alexander shares his powerful journey with psychedelics, including an MDMA experience that helped him process deep-seated trauma.
We also delve into the shadow side of psychedelic therapy, the challenges of growing up in the counterculture, and the importance of approaching these powerful substances with humility and responsibility. Throughout our conversation, we grapple with the promises and perils of psychedelics as tools for personal and collective transformation.
Whether you're a seasoned psychonaut or simply curious about the cutting-edge of consciousness research, this episode offers a wealth of insights that will leave you pondering the nature of reality, the complexities of the human psyche, and the transformative potential of psychedelics. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that will challenge the way you think about personal growth, societal change, and the future of our planet.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Introduction and Defining the Meta Crisis
01:49 - The Role of Psychedelics in Addressing the Meta Crisis
07:46 - Complicated vs. Complex Problems
10:34 - The Importance of Embodiment and the Lessons from the Body
21:22 - The Influence of Metaphysics on Culture and Behavior
33:32 - Personal Experiences with MDMA and the Therapeutic Potential
50:44 - Acceptance and Surrender in Psychedelic Experiences
58:08 - Growing Up in the Counterculture and the Dangers of Spiritual Bypassing
01:07:08 - Psychedelics, Personality Change, and the Death of the Ego
01:25:24 - The Shadow Side of Psychedelic Therapy and the Importance of Integration
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ALEXANDER BEINER
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https://www.alexanderbeiner.com/
-IG: @alexaner_beiner - https://www.instagram.com/alexander_beiner/
-Book: The Bigger Picture - https://www.amazon.com/Bigger-Picture-Psychedelics-Sense-World/ -
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
In this episode, I sit down with my friend and fellow movement coach, Jason C. Brown. Jason, an old-school kettlebell and functional fitness expert, shares his wealth of knowledge and experience in the world of physical play and movement.
We dive into a wide range of topics, from the perils of social media for coaches to the disappearance of free play among children. Jason and I discuss strategies for reintroducing play and risk-taking into our lives and the lives of our students. We also explore the concept of embodied faith and how physical wrestling can help us cultivate it.
Throughout the conversation, we touch on the importance of roughhousing, the orthopedic cost of different practices as we age, and the value of learning from practitioners who actively engage in the physical practices they teach and have skin in the game. Join us for a thought-provoking discussion that will challenge the way you think about movement, play, and personal growth.
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JASON C. BROWN
-IG: @ironkimono - https://www.instagram.com/ironkimono
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-Web: https://www.jasoncbrown.art/
00:00:00 - Introduction and catching up
00:02:37 - Social media's toll on coaches
00:13:35 - Perils of the attention economy
00:22:27 - Rediscovering non-professional joys
00:30:40 - The disappearance of free play
00:37:26 - Reintroducing play and risk-taking
00:48:56 - Aging and the orthopedic cost of practice
00:57:04 - The importance of roughhousing and body-to-body play
01:13:31 - Cultivating embodied faith through physical wrestling
01:24:54 - Learning from practitioners with skin in the game -
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
In this episode, I sit down with Aaron Cantor, an EMP coach, movement facilitator, and long-time collaborator. Aaron takes us on a captivating journey from his roots in traditional movement practices to his current role as a physical intelligence teacher.
As our conversation unfolds, Aaron shares his eclectic influences, spanning from contact improvisation to clowning, and how he has integrated these elements into his work with Evolve Move Play.
Together, we dive into the concept of roughhousing as a foundational practice for nurturing emotional attunement, fostering intellectual growth, and cultivating empathy.
I also take a moment to open up about my own emotional healing journey and the profound impact of somatic practices. We emphasize the vital role of embodied practices in building emotional resilience and explore the idea of reframing roughhousing as a pathway to emotional awareness and grounding in the body.
Join us as we envision a future where embodied education takes center stage and discover how Evolve Move Play is poised to have a pivotal role in shaping this transformative paradigm shift.
For more conversations with Aaron and our EMP team, check out this page: https://www.evolvemoveplay.com/tag/aaron-cantor/
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AARON CANTOR
-IG: @aaroncantor - https://www.instagram.com/aaroncantor/
00:00:00:00 - From Traditional Yoga to Energetic Practices
00:05:48:18 - Subtlety in Movement and a Critique of Yoga Culture
00:12:55:17 - Becoming a Physical Intelligence Facilitator
00:20:18:03 - Connecting with Rafe and Bridging Movement Disciplines
00:27:46:17 - Aaron's Eclectic Influences: Contact Improv to Clowning
00:33:41:01 - Integrating Aaron's Work into Evolve Move Play
00:41:40:03 - Roughhousing for Emotional Attunement and Intellectual Growth
00:52:28:03 - Rafe's Healing Journey and the Power of Somatic Practices
00:59:13:17 - Embodied Practices for Emotional Resilience and Empathy
01:10:58:13 - Reframing Roughhousing for Emotional Awareness and Grounding
01:22:25:24 - Envisioning Embodied Education and Evolve Move Play's Role -
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
In this episode Jordan Hall and I explore the role of embodiment in addressing the meta crisis facing humanity.
Jordan shares his background in the tech industry and the origins of the Game B project, which seeks to understand and respond to the interconnected challenges of our time. The discussion delves into the relationship between individuals and institutions, the evolution of paradigmatic thinking, and the shift from a world of rhythm to one of tone.
We examine the tension between truth-first and beauty-first approaches to reality, and how this relates to the historical relationship between science and religion. We also discuss the concept of faith as an embodied capacity, situated within a stack of communication, understanding, hope, and love.
Our conversation highlights the importance of embodied practices in developing virtue, cultivating faith, and navigating the complexities of the meta crisis. Perhaps one key to moving forward is to avoid panic and to love more deeply, emphasizing the transformative power of embodiment in personal and collective growth.
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JORDAN GREENHALL
- Medium: https://medium.com/@jordangreenhall
- X: https://www.twtitter.com/@jgreenhall
-Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@JordanGreenhall
00:00:00:00 : Jordan's Background and Game B
00:07:48:11 : Embodiment and the Meta Crisis
00:19:13:13 : Identity, Individuals, and Institutions
00:27:44:09 : Paradigmatic Mind and the Shift from Rhythm to Tone
00:35:56:17 : Truth vs. Beauty in Approaching Reality
00:45:35:00 : Faith as Embodied Capacity
00:54:26:19 : Science, Religion, and Embodiment in Education
01:10:21:11 : Cultivating Faith Through Embodied Practices
01:19:11:09 : Reconciling Science and Religion
01:27:44:13 : Embodied Practices, Virtue, and the Meta Crisis
1:34:36:00 : The Call to Love More Deeply -
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
In this episode, I explore the world of soft acrobatics with Aaron, an acrobatics coach and sports science student from Frankfurt, Germany.
Diving into the intricacies of movement, Aaron shares his journey of myth-busting traditional beliefs about motor learning, and how soft acrobatics serves as a bridge between the realms of physical capability and artistic expression.
We discuss how this practice is not just about acrobatic proficiency but also about fostering a deep connection with oneself, nature, and the community.
Join us to learn about the unique offerings of soft acrobatics, its foundation in sports science, and how it contrasts with conventional fitness approaches, providing a pathway to development and transformation.
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AARON MARTIN
- Web: https://www.softacroaaron.com/
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-Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@softacroaaron
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00:00:00:00 : Aaron’s Background and Soft Acrobatics
00:05:26:10 : The Why of Soft Acrobatics and Acrobatic Cultures
00:11:18:20 : Specialization vs Generalization in Movement
00:20:18:19 : Attributes of a Generalized Movement Capacity
00:30:39:11 : Rhythm and Flow in Acrobatics and Sports
00:37:57:24 : Evaluating and Improving Movement Quality
00:42:41:03 : Scaling and Progressing Acrobatic Skills
00:46:51:24 : Coaching, Learning and Motivation
00:52:57:10 : Children Learning Acrobatics
00:57:15:04 : Inspirations and Resources
01:00:14:19 : Importance of Learner Autonomy
01:03:53:05 : Motor Learning and Acrobatics -
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
In this episode I had the pleasure to sit down with Bonnitta Roy, a philosopher, entrepreneur, and educator known for her innovative approaches to consciousness and collective intelligence.
From her early years in a factory town to her multifaceted career spanning neuroscience, art, and landscape design, Bonnie's journey is a testament to the richness of a non-linear path and the pursuit of wisdom.
We explore the importance of cultivating individual virtues, the impact of her educational background, and the role of deep connections and self-awareness in navigating today's complex world.
Join us as we unravel the threads of philosophy, self-discovery, and the essence of living a life intertwined with nature and consciousness.
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BONNITTA ROY
-Web: https://tllp.org/people/bonnitta-roy/
- Substack: https://bonnittaroy.substack.com/
- Medium: https://bonnittaroy.medium.com/
-Twitter/ X :https://twitter.com/bonnittaroy
00:00:00- Introduction & Past Connections
00:03:26- Factory to Philosophy
00:12:32- Neurons to Canvases: Science and Art
00:19:22- Horticulture Ventures
00:30:12- Teaching Philosophies: From Classroom to Digital
00:39:20- Unraveling Wisdom in a Tangled World
00:46:28- Challenging Norms: Gender, Identity, and Societal Constructs
00:54:14- The Essential Connection to Nature and Body
01:02:03- Paths to Societal Enlightenment -
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
In today’s episode I sat down with Nil Teisner, creator of Finding Flow. We delve deep into the essence of movement, its transformative power and the flow that can be found in our bodies.
Nil shares his journey from skateboarding to mastering acrobatics, highlighting the importance of fluidity, the art of facing fears, and the pursuit of passion in movement.
We touch on topics like the interplay between strength and flexibility, the educational aspects of teaching movement, and insights into acrobatics as a tool for exploring risk, uncertainty, and personal growth are explored.
Discover Nil's unique approach to movement that blends discipline with creative expression, encouraging us to explore the limits of our physical and mental landscapes. To experience Finding Flow, keep an eye out on social media for Nil’s upcoming workshops in the USA.
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NIL TEISNER
- Web: https://nilteisner.de/en/
- IG: @jnilteisner - https://www.instagram.com/nilteisner/
-YT: https://www.youtube.com/@NilTeisner
-LinkTree: https://linktr.ee/nilteisner
00:00:00 - Introduction and Welcome: Meeting Nil Teisner
00:05:32 - Background and Beginnings: From Skateboarding to Movement
00:14:54 - Transition into Teaching and Exploring CrossFit
00:24:04 - Discovering and Diving Deep into Acrobatics
00:33:42 - Teaching Philosophy: Beyond Physical Skills
00:43:48 - The Evolution and Integration of Practice
00:53:20 - Shifting Focus: From Strength to Fluidity in Movement
01:03:29 - Reflections on Acrobatics and Parkour Interplay
01:13:35 - Current State of Practice and Future Directions
01:18:04 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts -
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
Today Jonathan Pageau rejoins us to explore the intersections of technology, our relationship with nature, and the spiritual quests that define our humanity.
We delve into the challenges and opportunities presented by digital advancements and how they impact our connection to the natural world. Through a series of thought-provoking reflections, we examine the delicate balance between technological progress and environmental stewardship.
Our conversation ventures into the realms of personal growth, the pursuit of meaningful values, and how embracing our roles within nature can lead to a deeper understanding of ourselves and our place in the world.
To listen to a previous conversation I had with Jonathan, check out the episode Patterns of Being with Jonathan Pageau | EMP Podcast 96 -
https://youtu.be/qPrEcpL6ahc?si=-aK0RiwYmzX3fy59
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JONATHAN PAGEAU
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-YT: https://www.youtube.com/c/jonathanpageau
00:00:00:00 : Introduction
00:03:30:23 : Nature, Freedom, and Human Connection
00:12:16:22 : Ethical Living
00:18:21:00 : The Impact of Technology on Society
00:27:22:24 : Understanding Religion and Spirituality's Impact
00:37:26:12 : Modern Society's Challenges and Critiques
00:49:02:19 : Environmental Concerns and Technological Ethics
01:14:18:08 : The Future Role of Religion and Spirituality -
Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
Today we have an engrossing episode with Ethan Hsieh to explore the intriguing intersections of movement, theater, and cognitive science.
Ethan, a multifaceted thinker and practitioner, delves into his journey from actor to director of community development at the Vervaeke Foundation.
Discover how his unique approach, The Integrative Approach and Methodology of Active Transformation (TIAMAT), is reshaping the way we think about performance and personal growth. This conversation goes beyond the surface, examining how integrating different disciplines can lead to a richer understanding of ourselves and the world around us.
Together Ethan and I discuss the philosophy of movement, the impact of theater on personal development, and the nuances of cognitive science. This episode is a treasure trove of insights in the crossroads of physical practice and intellectual exploration.
Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that challenges the boundaries between the body and the mind.
00:00:00:00 Chapter 1: Introduction
00:06:46:08 Chapter 2: Exploring Embodiment and Movement Culture
00:12:23:00 Chapter 3: Movement, Narrative, and Mythological Exemplars
00:19:17:19 Chapter 4: Love, Relationships, and Philosophical Musings
00:26:49:10 Chapter 5: The Future for Ethan’s Work
00:34:17:14 Chapter 6: Transformative Power of Movement and the Meaning Crisis
00:42:01:2 Chapter 7: Complexity of Science, Philosophy, and Personal Narratives
00:49:46:08 Chapter 8: Wisdom, Virtue, and Embodiment
00:58:37:12 Chapter 9: Symbolism, Narrative, and Cultural Impact
01:12:33:00 Chapter 10: Interplay of Personal Narratives, Movement Culture, and the Quest for Meaning
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ETHAN HSIEH
- Web: https://www.5tomidnight.org/tiamat
-Email: [email protected]
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
Today, we continue our conversation with Warren Farrell, delving into a deep discussion about the complexities of male roles in modern society. This discussion challenges traditional perceptions of male privilege and power.
In our discussion, we explore insightful perspectives on how societal norms and expectations shape the male experience, particularly in terms of financial responsibilities, romantic relationships, and societal roles.
Building on Part I, we investigate themes such as the wage gap, fatherhood, and the balance between personal aspirations and societal expectations.
Join us to shed light on the often overlooked pressures and dilemmas faced by men, encouraging a re-evaluation of what constitutes true power and privilege in the context of gender dynamics.
00:00:00:00 Introduction and Revisiting the Myth of Male Privilege
00:01:52:23 The Paradox of Male Power and Societal Expectations
00:09:41:08 Exploring the Gender Pay Gap, Career Considerations and Parenting Dynamics
00:22:19:21 Societal Expectations and the Quest for Gender Balance
00:34:58:15 Adapting to New Norms and Understanding Unique Gender Dynamics
00:47:10:00 The Role and Impact of Fathers and Paternal Parenting Styles
00:55:38:08 Modern Gender Roles: Toward Mutual Respect and Understanding
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play podcast!
I was able to have a candid conversation with Warren Farrell at The Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) Conference.
In this Part 1 of my conversation with Warren I dive into an enlightening discussion with Warren, a pioneer in exploring men's roles in modern society and the author of "The Boy Crisis".
Our conversation navigates the intricate maze of masculinity, from its historical roots to its evolving nature in today's world.
We tackle tough questions about what it means to be a man in contemporary times, the impact of societal expectations, and the fine line between traditional masculinity and its modern interpretation.
Whether discussing the psychology of young men, the balance between strength and sensitivity, or the shift from being a 'human doing' to a 'human being,' this episode is a must-listen for anyone intrigued by the complex dynamics of gender roles and personal identity in our rapidly changing world.
In a future episode I will continue my conversation with Warren so be on the lookout in the coming weeks!
00:00:00 Introduction and the Evolution of Male Roles
00:03:00 Challenges of Modern Masculinity and Parenthood
00:07:00 Cultural and Biological Aspects of Masculinity
00:14:00 Redefining Success and Power for Men
00:24:00 Emotional Expression and the Warrior-Nurturer Balance
00:32:00 The Future of Masculine Identity
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WARREN FARRELL
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by EMP Coach Ben Medder from the UK.
Last summer Ben and I hosted a workshop in London to explore the art of tree climbing alongside EMP’s ecology of practices.
In this conversation Ben shares his journey from working in IT to embracing a career in movement coaching, highlighting his initial forays into parkour, martial arts, and natural movement.
We delve into the nuances of teaching movement, the importance of connecting with nature, and how climbing trees and interacting with different environments can profoundly impact our physical and mental well-being.
Our conversation also touches on the evolving landscape of movement culture, the influence of various movement leaders, and the future of movement education.
Join us as we unpack the complexities and joys of a life dedicated to our own practices, teaching others and building communities dedicated to exploring movement.
If you are looking for a way to expand your movement exploration alongside Ben, check out his upcoming courses: Move With The Seasons and RopeFlow London.
We are looking forward to joining Ben for the 2024 EMP European workshops.
TIME STAMPS:
00:00 - Chapter 1: "Early Years in Movement and Key Influences"
Ben details his background in movement coaching at Gloves Boxing Club, the influence of mentors like Lee Saxby, and the transition to independent teaching following the club's closure in 2014.
18:00 - Chapter 2: "Discovering New Paths: Hampstead Heath, Tree Running, and Movement Exploration"
Ben discusses discovering Evolve Move Play. He reflects on his experiences teaching at Hampstead Heath, engaging in online coaching with Evolve Move Play, and his initial foray into tree running and dancing with trees.
36:00 - Chapter 3: "Ido Portal Workshops and Teaching for MovNat"
Ben shares insights from attending workshops with Ido Portal, his tenure as a MovNat instructor from 2014 to 2016, and how he integrated various movement influences into his practice, including partner games.
54:00 - Chapter 4: " Impact of Evolve Move Play and Fighting Monkey"
Ben talks about the profound influence of Evolve Move Play's in-depth games on his approach and his later training with Tom Wexler and Fighting Monkey, which further expanded his methods in partnering and rough and tumble play.
01:12:00 - Chapter 5: "The Art of Tree Dancing: Merging Gymnastics, Martial Arts, and Dance"
Ben continues discussing his unique approach to dancing with trees, drawing upon his diverse background in gymnastics, martial arts, and contemporary dance to inform his practice.
01:30:00 - Chapter 6: "Advancing in Tree Climbing and the Growth of Evolve Move Play"
This chapter covers Ben's recent explorations in tree climbing, including the Tree Climb 30 challenge, his experience witnessing the evolution of Evolve Move Play, and discussions on advanced tree-to-tree transfers. Ben also talks about shifting his goals, focusing on recovery, and his perspectives on the future of the movement community.
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BEN MEDDER
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YT: https://www.youtube.com/c/benmedder
Twitter: https://twitter.com/benzym
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today's episode was filmed at the ARC Conference in London and features our guest Rob Henderson, author of the book Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class.
Rob grew up in foster homes in Los Angeles and the rural town of Red Bluff, California. He joined the Air Force at the age of seventeen. After his enlistment, he graduated from Yale University with a BS in psychology and was subsequently awarded a Gates Cambridge Scholarship.
Once described as 'self-made' by the New York Times, Rob received a PhD in psychology from St. Catharine's College, Cambridge in 2022. His writing has appeared in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Boston Globe, and the New York Post, among other outlets. Rob's popular Substack newsletter is sent each week to more than forty thousand subscribers.
In our chat today we will discuss Rob’s background and upbringing, as well as share our thoughts on growing into manhood, cultivating positive masculine virtues, social media, and what makes a good man or woman as opposed to what makes a good person.
I really enjoyed getting the chance to talk to Rob, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Rob’s Background
07:09 - Young Male Syndrome & the Military
26:59 - Underlying Biology
31:34 - Aggression, Violence & Mental Health
43:05 - Masculinity and Femininity
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined once again by Paul Vander Klay
Recently Paul and I both were able to attend the ARC conference in London, and in today’s discussion we’ll be sharing our thoughts and opinions on what we experienced during the event. We’ll cover what went well, where they missed the mark, and how this type of event could be framed differently to actually achieve the goals it set out to achieve.
I really enjoyed having Paul on the show again, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.
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00:00 - Critiques & Big Takeaways from ARC
24:23 - Leaning Into Story
34:35 - Roughhousing and Aspirational Masculinity
56:33 - Past, Present & Future / Degrees of Freedom
01:20:08 - The Capacity of Ages / Gardeners of Eden
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Joseph Bartz
Joseph Germany, to an artistic family of writers, musicians and people working in the theater. He went through the Waldorf method of schooling, which outside of the usual subjects also puts a lot of value into crafting, music and dancing.
At 13 years old, Joseph started delving into various disciplines of physical practice. Starting with martial arts and strength training, his interests expanded to include parkour and aspects of natural movement such as tree climbing and doing most things barefoot. He also became interested in wilderness training and primitive skills, which he has been learning with Uwe Belz.
Joseph would take his passion for these physical practices and build a career around them, he has taught countless workshops and helped thousands of students deepen their knowledge and relationship to movement.
Today he’s joining us to talk about a variety of topics, including the deep meaning that can be obtained through developing a robust ecology of practices, and how the process of building a skillful body should not only enhance your physical abilities, but your strength of character as well.
I really enjoyed having Joseph on the show, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:00 - Moving into Meaning
17:45 - Parkour as a Wisdom Tradition
39:35 - Practice as Permaculture
57:32 - Religion and Movement
01:10:49 - Improvisation and Beginners
01:26:33 - The Anchor Practice and Horizon
01:37:53 - Practicality and Skill Transfer
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by the one and only Leo Urban.
If you’re unfamiliar with his work, Leo is a professional parkour athlete and YouTuber who has garnered a huge following on social media by displaying his amazing skill at moving in trees, competing in World Chase Tag, and performing incredible urban free-solo stunts around the world.
Recently Leo’s turned his attention to highlighting the incredible wildlife and indigenous peoples who live in the deep jungles and forests of places like the Amazon, India, Morocco and more. Through these adventures he’s working to bring awareness, not only to the delicate and beautiful natural spaces he visits, but also how human beings are built to move and thrive in these spaces.
During this conversation we’ll talk a lot about Leo’s work, his philosophy, and the vital importance that nature plays in nourishing the mind, body and spirit of the human animal.
I really enjoyed having Leo on the show, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:46 - Workshop Ad
01:45 - What is the Primal Approach
09:00 - Leo’s Beginnings
16:31 - Bringing Parkour into Nature
21:47 - Returning to the Natural World
36:35 - The Treerunning Community & Biodiversity
41:45 - Escape Eschatology / Nature and Spirituality
55:42 - Signs of Progress / Looking Toward the Future
01:11:54 - Leo’s Travels, Great Apes and Nature Connection
01:35:53 - Social Media & Primal Movement
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Jim Rutt, a tech entrepreneur who has been one of the leading founders of the Game B movement which is an attempt to build a meta-stable social economic operating system to avoid some of the problems our civilization is currently facing.
In this conversation we’ll be taking a look at what exactly makes up our current “Game A” society, what are the inherent problems that come with it, and how does a “Game B” society propose to alleviate those issues.
I really enjoyed having Jim on the show, and hopefully we’ll be able to continue our chat in the near future. If you also enjoy the conversation, be sure to support the channel with a like, subscribe, and share.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Workshop Ad
01:43 - What is Game A?
14:49 - Game B, the Counter Culture and Social Capital
22:37 - Transactional Amorality
32:38 - Game B’s Central Principles
37:48 - Balancing the Game Theory Problems
45:33 - The Self Worth Esteeming
51:02 - Sacred Nature
1:00:20 - The Flaw of Escapism
01:07:16 - The War Problem & the Theory/Practice/Theory Loop
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by David Grey, the CEO of David Grey Rehab
David has developed his own unique method of helping people with their pain and movement, and now works with clients from all walks of life, including some of the best athletes in the world.
Today he’s joining us to talk about tools, concepts and techniques that can help us avoid injury and improve the way we understand and perform athletic movement.
I really enjoyed having David on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:34 - Workshop Ad
01:33 - Dave's Background
04:39 - Gaelic Football, Sports and Injury Rates\
22:03 - Compressive Vs Expansive Movement Strategies
27:48 - Fluid Dynamics in the Torso & Sparta Movement
39:40 - Internal Rotation/Pronation/Eversion for Athletic Performance
55:02 - Ankle Dorsiflexion
01:04:02 - Parkour v Sprinting / Yielding v. Overcoming
01:12:48 - Ankle Things and Parkour Plyometric Progression
01:19:45 - Avoiding Achilles Tendon Injuries
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Masa Suzuki.
While he’s been a member of the parkour community since 2004, Masa’s movement journey has led him to become incredibly skilled in a wide variety of arts and disciplines, including ninjitsu, tumbling, and professional dance. He’s also spent a lot of time training in the realm of movement culture, both with Ido Portal and our good friends over at Fighting Monkey.
Having such a similar breadth of experience that also initially stemmed from a deep love for parkour, we were really excited to have him join us. During this chat we’ll dive into how his training and philosophy has evolved over the years, the powerful influences of injury, culture, language, and intention, and the importance of adaptability in both how we move, and how we approach problems in our lives.
I really enjoyed having Masa on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 – Masa Intro
00:37 - Workshop Ad
1:36 - Masa’s Beginnings
13:02 - Breaking the Jump with Community
16:59 - Masa Leaves Japan
21:27 - Dance, Rhythmicality, Musicality
25:21 - Ninjitsu
30:13 - Being in the States, Competition
34:58 - Seattle Parkour Spots, Organic & Inorganic Environments
45:27 - Overwork, Injury & Movement Practice
59:58 - Movement Culture
01:07:06 - Goal Setting and Meaning in Life
01:16:23 - Differentiating Movement & Parkour
01:25:00 - Truth and Knowing
01:30:06 - The Importance of Language
01:37:32 - Chi
01:45:35 - Fighting Monkey, Ecological Dynamics & Adaptive Movement
01:52:46 - Masa’s Training Week
01:57:54 - Dance and Martial Arts
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Welcome back to the Evolve Move Play Podcast!
Today we’re joined by Julian Donovan.
Most of you might not know who Julian is as he’s been out of the parkour scene for about a decade now, but back in the early days he was a core member of the Cambridge parkour scene and a regular contributor to the old web forums that would serve as a global hub for the parkour community.
Today Julian works as an emergency medicine doctor, but I wanted to sit down and talk to him about those early days of parkour, how the art has evolved, and how the philosophy of parkour has shaped both his personal and professional life.
I really enjoyed having Julian on the show, if you also enjoyed this conversation and would like to support the channel, be sure to share, leave a like, comment, and subscribe if you haven’t.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Intro
00:37 - Workshop Ad
01:36 - Julian's Background
03:54 - Finding Parkour
09:52- Parkour Ferals & Counter Culture Explosion
15:06- The Early Cambridge Days
18:26 - Phil Doyle & Young Phenoms
21:29- The Early Mentors
24:17 - Raising the Bar & Climb Ups
32:11 - The Forums, Urban FreeFlow & David Belle
39:31 - The Problem of Naming/Defining Parkour
54:00 - FIG, Ninja Warrior, Women in Parkour & Setting the Right Framework
01:02:19 - The Unique Power of Parkour
01:13:12 - Parkour & Fear
01:20:00 - Donor Sports & Gymnastics
01:27:15 - Physical Literacy for Children
01:31:01 - Being Strong to be Useful
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