Episodes
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Elisabeth Wurm, a theater director and Enneagram teacher from St. Louis. Elisabeth discusses the overlap between improv and the Enneagram as they are both ego work. Each Enneagram type has a false personality, or ego, that will try to get in the way, and Elisabeth shares how improv can bring out the ego but also help work through that.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Elisabeth Wrum:
Web: notjustenneacoach.com
IG: @survival_thrival
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Rev. Nhien Vuong, an Enneagram thought leader, spiritual mentor, and founder of Evolving Enneagram, a community-centered organization whose mission is to transform human ecosystems around the globe using a contemplative, wholeness-based approach to our individual and collective awakening. Rev. Nhien talks about the session she facilitated at the IEA Conference about sex and the Enneagram and hosted by the Enneagram & Sexuality Enneagroup. She shares what inspired her to participate in this topic and some of the main takeaways participants took away from the sessions.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Rev. Nhien Vuong:
Web: evolvingenneagram.com
IG: @evolvingenneagram
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Stephanie J. Spencer, an executive coach and Enneagram guide. Stephanie talks about her story with the Enneagram and what inspired her to explore it through the heart rather than the mind. Using imagery, she shares how nature is grounding for her and can help us see ourselves more, which she discusses in depth in her book, “Out of the Box & Into the Wild: An Enneagram Journey Through the Triads of Nature.”
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Stephanie J. Spencer:
Web: stephaniejspencer.com
IG: @stephanie_j_spencer
Book: Out of the Box & Into the Wild: An Enneagram Journey Through the Triads of Nature
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Dr. Deborah Egerton and Dr. Robert Holden, both also known as Dr. E and Dr. R respectively, about their friendship and the idea work they collaborate through the Enneagram. They also talk about coming to a place of understanding to bring us back to love. This can be accomplished through conversations and kind spaces so we can have an exchange of thoughts rather than a debate.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Dr. Debra Egerton:
Web: deborahegerton.com
Book: Know Justice Know Peace: A Transformative Journey of Social Justice, Anti-Racism, and Healing through the Power of the Enneagram
Dr. Robert Holden
Web: robertholden.com
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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Here’s Part 2 of Revisiting Ego & Essence. In this episode we continue to have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on these often used, often misunderstood concepts.
Lee Fields joins the Fathoms crew for this conversation, which always makes us better.
[2:00] How can we move forward with these terms despite the issues?
[13:05] Ego & Essence as bypassing
[19:05] It’s about the process, not a destination
[24:00] Individuality, Mutuality, & Unity in relation to ego and essence
[31:35] Russ’ and Mario’s closing remarks for people using the enneagram
[35:40] The Fathoms Cohosts provide their initial reactions to the conversation
[45:05] How we’ll use the terms “ego” & “essence” moving forward
[60:00] Abram shares a story
[1:01:00] Linz hands out podcast awards to the guys
[1:05:30] Why we do this podcast
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Brought to you by:
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
The Enneagram Letters: A Poetic Exploration of Who You Thought You Had to Be
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Drew: @typetrailenneagramFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdmLee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
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Learn More About the International Enneagram Association
Web: https://www.internationalenneagram.org/
Events: https://ieaninepoints.com/
IG: @ieaenneagram
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Today we have the pleasure of reposting an episode from our friends from the Fathoms podcast. The Fathoms crew sat down at the 2023 IEA conference to have a deep and meaningful conversation with enneagram legends Russ Hudson and Mario Sikora on the often used and often misunderstood concepts, Ego and Essence.
Joining the Fathoms crew is, Lee Fields, which always makes it better.
[1:00] A quick recap of Fathoms season 4
[5:30] We talk about (and cringe a bit) our Season 1 episode on Ego & Essence
[12:30] Lindsey’s thoughts about the first episode as a listener
[14:15] Our thoughts behind ending the season with the topic of Ego & Essence
[18:50] Some tips listening to this conversation with Russ & Mario
[23:00] Our conversation with Russ & Mario begins
[25:15] What’s the conversation we need to have today about ego & essence?
[27:45] Having beginner’s mind with ego & essence?
[28:50] Russ & Mario’s first meeting…and first impressions!
[30:45] Their common fascination with zombies
[32:50] What Russ and Mario admire about each other’s enneagram work
[35:45] Russ and Mario’s definition of “ego” and “essence”
[45:00] Examples of how they’ve changed their minds on ego and essence
[55:30] How Mario interprets Russ’ view of ego and essence
[1:00:00] Russ on “essence”
[1:08:00] Mario’s problems with the term “essence”
[1:11:45] Why are still using these words in these ways?
[1:18:45] Lindsey pushes back a bit
Stay tuned for Part 2 of our conversation with Russ & Mario next week!
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Brought to you by:
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
The Enneagram Letters: A Poetic Exploration of Who You Thought You Had to Be
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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser
Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore
Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagramFollow Abram: @integratedenneagramFollow Creek: @_creekmoreFollow Drew: @typetrailenneagramFollow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdmLee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
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Learn More About the International Enneagram Association
Web: https://www.internationalenneagram.org/
Events: https://ieaninepoints.com/
IG: @ieaenneagram
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Dr. Jerome “Jerry” Wagner, a clinical psychologist, psychotherapist, supervisor, consultant in private practice, and emeritus faculty member in the Department of Psychology and Institute of Pastoral Studies at Loyola University, Chicago. Dr. Wagner shares his background with the Enneagram and his dissertation that explored how the Enneagram correlated with other personality tests. He also talks about what good academic work looks like in the realm of the Enneagram and what he sees as the next step in the Enneagram’s journey to help it remain useful and not lose its relevance.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Dr Jerome Wagner:
Web: enneagramspectrum.com
Web: training.enneagramspectrum.com
Web: wepss.com
Email: [email protected]
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Chelsea Forbrook, an Enneagram educator, coach and spiritual director. Chelsea talks about the topic she’s presented at the IEA conference with Milton Stewart: igniting passion to undo racism by doing an Enneagram study on whiteness and white culture. They discuss how we can use the tools we already learned from the Enneagram towards our activism and our cultural bias. She shares how we can do this by using the foundational values of the Enneagram – compassion, curiosity and open mindedness.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Chelsea Forbrook:
Web: chelseaforbrook.com
IG: @chelsea_forbrook
BIG Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Jessica Denise Dickson, a life empowerment coach who teaches and coaches for the reclamation of full humanity through the intersections of the Enneagram, antiracism, and embodiment. Jessica discusses her talk with Vanessa Fernandez that explored the landscape and cultural context of the modern Enneagram of personality. She also talks about how the Enneagram teaching has been bounded in whiteness, how it’s important to separate the cultural work while doing the type work so that we have a fuller journey and more breath and depth within the work.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Jessica Denise Dickson:
Web: jessicaddickson.com
IG: @jessicaddicksoncoaching
FB: Jessica Denise Dickson Coaching
Pod: The Antiracist Enneagram Podcast
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Mario Sikora and María José Munita on how to use the framework of clear thinking with the Enneagram. They discuss why we should think through the logical steps and effective remedies to address our emotions and feelings and the tools to discern what is true and what is not.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Mario Sikora:
IG: @mariosikora
Web: mariosikora.com
Pod: Enneagram in a Movie
Maria Jose Munita:
IG: @mjmunita
Web: mjmunita.com
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Russ Hudson, one of the world's leading scholars and teachers on the Enneagram. Russ discusses the current state of the Enneagram. With a new year approaching, he shares what he thinks are good next steps for the community and his hope for the next generation of Enneagram teachers.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Russ Hudson:
Web: russhudson.com
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Marion Gilbert about her work with the somatic Enneagram that helps us understand the sensations that go through our bodies. Marion discusses how engaging with our bodies can help us heal and she shares why her work is so important to the Enneagram community now.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Marion Gilbert:
Web: mariongilbert.com
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Sharon K. Ball and Renée Siegel, authors of “Reclaiming YOU: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience,” about trauma and Enneagram-formed awareness. When someone goes through a traumatic experience, they tend to turn to a safe person, also known as a gatekeeper, who can then refer them to a therapist. Sharon and Renée discuss how to become a gatekeeper and become aware of anyone going through trauma. They also talk about their collaboration behind the book.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Sharon K. Ball:
Web: sharonkball.com
Web: 9paths.com
Book: Reclaiming YOU: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience
Renee Siegel
Web: urpurepotential.com
Book: Reclaiming YOU: Using the Enneagram to Move from Trauma to Resilience
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
Aephoria Partners:
Web: aephoriapartners.com
FB: Aephoria Partners Consulting
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Susan Olesek, founder of the Enneagram Prison Project (EPP), and ambassadors Dustin Baldwin, Jeff Limon and Alex Senegal. They discuss EPP’s mission to help those in jails and prisons use the Enneagram to inspire transformation on both sides of the bars. They share what its likes to work with the Enneagram through the ups and downs of their journeys and how this tool can help others free themselves from the prisons of their own making.
Sign up for Level 1 Course with Aephoria Partners. https://aephoriapartners.com/accreditations/
“The Enneagram Letters: A Poetic Exploration of Who You Thought You Had to Be” by Sarajane Case https://a.co/d/94rvE72
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Enneagram Prison Project:
Web: enneagramprisonproject.org
IG: @enneagramprisonproject
Pod: Enneagram Prison Project Podcast
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we speak with Belinda Gore, an author, teacher and Enneagram presenter at this year’s conference. Belinda shares how she came into the Enneagram community and how Object Relations interacts with the Enneagram. She also talks about her recent book, Finding Freedom: Understanding Our Relationships Using Object Relations and the Enneagram.
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Belinda Gore:
Web: belindagore.com
Book: Finding Freedom: Understanding Our Relationships Using Object Relations and the Enneagram
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lindsey Davis Marks:
IG: @lindseyfaithdm
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Lee Fields:
Web: enneagrammatic.com
IG: @enneagrammatic
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Milton Stewart speaks with Lucille Greeff from Aephoria, who is the honored podcast room sponsor for this years’ IEA conference. Lucille shares what she does and the work they do at Aephoria. She also discusses how they connect to the Enneagram world within South Africa.
“This is one of the biggest pieces I think that is missing when we try to share honestly anything or when we try to especially share the Enneagram, understanding the cultural differences.” - Milton [21:32]
“We can’t be Enneagram practitioners now and not be deeply trauma informed in what we’re doing, because we could be part of retraumatizing people.” - Lucille [26:42]
TIMESTAMPS
[00:01] Intro
[00:??] Today’s guest
[01:32] About Aephoria
[05:11] How Lucille got into the Enneagram
[10:59] Teaching Enneagram in different part of the world
[13:10] The impact in South Africa
[17:35] Work in the Middle East
[21:22] The biggest challenges
[29:57] How Unite and Ignite informs the work
[34:16] How to contact Aephoria
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Aephoria Partners
Web: aephoriapartners.com
IG: @aephoria_partners
YouTube: @aephoriapartners7848
Book: “Finding Ourselves: THE 72 AIM PROFILES” by Dr Julia Kukard, Lucille Greeff, Dr Simon Kettleborough
Milton Stewart:
IG: @kaizencareers
Web: KaizenCareers.com
Web: Kaizen Enneagram Academy
Pod: Do It For The Gram: An Enneagram Podcast
Sarajane Case:
IG: @sarajanecase
Pod: Enneagram & Coffee
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In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Seth “Creek” Creekmore is joined by his Fathoms podcast co-hosts, Seth Abram, Drew Moser and Lindsey Marks along with Lee Fields and Milton Stewart to celebrate Fathoms’ 100th episode. The Fathoms hosts are also partnering with IEA as temporary hosts of this podcast for this year’s global conference. Listen as they all share what this year’s theme, “Unite & Ignite,” mean to them within the Enneagram community and what they are most looking forward to at the conference.
“I love the Enneagram because it’s a tool for liberation.” - Milton [02:41]
“In relation to what we’ve been building for the past three years of Fathoms, how wide and complex it is to be human, and how the Enneagram is such a beautiful tool to help us navigate that, and I’m looking forward to adding more complexity and seeing how the Enneagram stands up” -Creek [14:16]
“Why is there this factioning, why is there this othering between the new guard and the old guard? What’s up? And it seems like it could be fixed with two lines of dialogue. What needs to happen? And I don’t believe that I’m the secret sauce that’s going to fix all of that, but I believe that naming it and doing something about it and striving to have connections between people is going to be the thing that’s going to do it.” -Lee [19:31]
“Especially in the Enneagram space, we spend so much time looking at ourselves and I feel like this is an opportunity to really look each other in the eye and to see one another more clearly.” -Lindsey [23:34]
“When I think of these United & Ignite, it makes sense to me that we have to come together to experience the fire.” -Abram [30:22]
“I think some of the most meaningful conversations I’ve ever had have been around a campfire and I think that’s a good way to approach a conference like this. It’s kinda like a global campfire of Enneanerds and Enneagram professionals.” -Drew [31:52]
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00] Intro
[01:05] This week’s hosts
[04:59] Icebreakers
[12:13] Most excited at the IEA conference
[21:08] What unite and ignite means
[33:38] Rapid fire questions
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Milton Stewart:
IG: @kaizencareers
Web: KaizenCareers.com
Web: Kaizen Enneagram Academy
Pod: Do It For The Gram: An Enneagram Podcast
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
Seth Abram:
IG: @integratedenneagram
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Drew...
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Enneagram podcast hosts, Milton Stewart, Sarajane Case, Micky ScottBey Jones, Seth “Creek” Creekmore, come together in this debut episode of the IEA podcast that will highlight the authors, teachers and topics at the upcoming IEA Global Conference in July. They share their Enneagram origin stories and what to expect at the conference. They also share what they’re looking forward to discussing at the conference and why it’s important for them to reach out and connect more to a global audience.
“For me, I learned there’s a type and I’m not wrong or broken. And because I’m different from other people, I’m not wrong or broken. I just am. So in that way the Enneagram saved my life.” -Micky [06:58]
“We have a tool, a system, a personality test, a journey, whatever you want to call it, you know it’s called many different things to many different people, that does unite us… How do we use that to bring us together and ignite?” - Milton [25:46]
“The thing we keep coming back to is we have to do the individual and the mutual work first before unity can actually arise.” -Creek [29:45]
“I think there is nothing like shared consciousness to really light a flame, quite literally ignite that passion.” -Sarajane [32:00]
TIMESTAMPS
[00:01] Intro
[00:50] Meet the hosts
[04:13] Micky’s Enneagram origin story
[08:48] Sarajane’s Enneagram origin story
[11:10] Milton’s origin story
[13:57] Creek’s origin story
[16:03] What to expect on the podcast
[18:14] The IEA conference
[23:10] Hosts’ thoughts on the theme
[31:19] Shared consciousness
[38:20] About this dance party
[45:31] More on the conference
Connect with us:
IEA2023.com
Milton Stewart:
IG: @kaizencareers
Web: KaizenCareers.com
Web: Kaizen Enneagram Academy
Pod: Do It For The Gram: An Enneagram Podcast
Sarajane Case:
IG: @sarajanecase
Pod: Enneagram & Coffee
Micky ScottBey Jones:
IG: @electric_lady_msj
Twitter: @iammickyjones
Web: mickyscottbeyjones.com
Pod: BRC & Friends
Seth "Creek" Creekmore:
IG: @_creekmore
Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast
Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B
