Season 2: Countdown to BeirutLong Distance Call add
Eliza has been staying with Geraldine for the past five weeks. And they're still on speaking terms!
This episode is a wrap of the holiday's greatest hits: the Fourth Estate documentary on the New York Times, Ken Burns' Vietnam War and the latest on American politics.
Oh and there's a healthy dose of chat about the perils of growing your hair and personal grooming.
We hope to have an episode next week, but Eliza isn't sure if the internet will connected in her new home. Fingers crossed.
Thanks for listening!
ChangesLong Distance Call add
Life is changing for Geraldine and her daughter Eliza.
Geraldine has bought a new house and Eliza's about to leave Indonesia for Beirut (via Sydney).
Geraldine is downsizing from the family home she built with her late husband Ian. The prospect of getting the house ready for sale is daunting as well as exciting. The packers are coming to Eliza's house tomorrow, so she's procrastinating by buying more furniture.
Eliza has come to really enjoy Jakarta after a tough start. It's been a warm and gentle place to raise her kids but Eliza and her husband Adam are looking forward to their new adventure in the Middle East.
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This week the women discussed:
Oprah talks to Maria Shriverhttp://www.oprah.com/app/super-soul-sunday.html
Germaine Greer and the Menopausehttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/germaine-greers-climacteric-updated/9896346
The Shanghai Wifehttps://www.harpercollins.com.au/9781489249142/
The Fourth Estatehttp://www.sho.com/the-fourth-estate
AttackLong Distance Call add
Welcome to a special edition of Long Distance Call.
This week Eliza brings you a report from Indonesia.
It's a story about her time here and an incident that's bookmarked the posting.
In January 2016, shortly after she arrived with the her journalist husband Adam, a group of terrorists attacks central Jakarta.
They killed four people. It was the suicide attack in Jakarta for over a decade and the first time ISIS had hit Indonesia.
Eliza was appallled and fascinated. She wanted to know who planned the attack, and what happened to the victims?
That was three years ago. Eliza's now in her final fortnight in the country and the mastermind of the Thamrin Attacks has just been sentenced to death.
Eliza and her mum Geraldine will be back next week for their regular Skype chat.
Is Trump Being Played?Long Distance Call add
Eliza and Geraldine are international news junkies so this week's episode is all about the Trump-Kim summit in Singapore.
Is this the end of diplomacy as we know it? Is Trump being played by a murderous thug? Should we care as much as we do? What are the chances that it prompts change on the ground in North Korea?
The Singapore meeting comes on the back of Trump's disastrous outing at the G7 in Canada.
Just as the women were getting warmed up...the internet cut out. And so did Skype. So unfortunately this is a shorter episode than normal.
Eliza and Geraldine will have to wait a week to talk about the absence of good chardonnay on the shelves in Australia. Until then, thanks for listening!
Farewell SeasonLong Distance Call add
It's moving season in the expat world. And in Indonesia the city is frantically busy in the final few days before Islamic New Year. Eliza and Adam have one more month in Jakarta before they move to Lebanon.
Geraldine has been for a sobering visit to her financial planner.
And she's so engrossed in the Americans TV show that she's breaking a habit of a lifetime and binge-watching tv.
Next stop: Beirut!Long Distance Call add
Eliza and her family are moving to Beirut! Her husband Adam will start his new job as the ABC's Middle East Correspondent based in Lebanon in August.
There's a lot to organise before then.
Geraldine is in Jakarta for one last holiday and the women discuss Indonesia and the lessons learnt over the past three years.
A family who plays together stays togetherLong Distance Call add
Do we allow enough time in our busy lives to play together as a family?
Not enough, is the conclusion. It's hard when the news cycle is whirring away. Geraldine is back in Jakarta on the weekend for a visit and will be doing lots of hide and seek with the grandkids.
But Eliza and Geraldine did make time to watch the royal wedding. Geraldine didn't see enough of Idris Elba for her liking. Eliza thinks it's been a welcome distraction from the bleak news in Indonesia for the past fortnight.
And what a time it's been in Malaysia. Finally a good news story out of the region.
Bishop Michael Curry stole the show at the Royal Weddinghttps://www.vox.com/identities/2018/5/17/17361848/michael-curry-episcopal-priest-royal-wedding-sermon
ABC Saturday ExtraMothers to Bombers: the underrated threat of Indonesian women extremistshttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/mothers-to-bombers:-the-rise-of-indonesian-women-extremists/9776458
Teen suicide bomber seen crying uncontrollably before bombings says witnesshttps://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/surabaya-attack-teen-suicide-bomber-seen-crying-inconsolably-10244778
Step Vaessen Al Jaz on Tommy Suhartohttps://youtu.be/youhGQvikbQ
Margaret Scott - Indonesia: the Saudis are Cominghttp://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/10/27/indonesia-the-saudis-are-coming/
Indonesia weepsLong Distance Call add
Indonesia is in mourning after a string of particularly brutal terror attacks over the weekend. Whole families, including young children, embarked on suicide missions in the city of Surabaya. The barbarity has stunned the country in the lead up to the holy month of Ramadan.
But life goes on in Jakarta. Eliza is trying not to alter her daily life as a protest against groups who want to spread fear.
Geraldine saw a thought provoking movie about motherhood this week. The women discuss how young women talk about the challenges of motherhood now as opposed to thirty or even fifty years ago.
And keeping your digital life under control.
ABC News coverage of the Surabaya attackshttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-15/the-surabaya-police-officer-who-ran-to-save-8yo-after-attack/9764738
Airbnb isn't worth the hassle (version 2)Long Distance Call add
Geraldine is back from a mini-break in Adelaide. Her only gripe was the Airbnb on the outskirts of town.
Eliza thinks Airbnb is a false economy. It claims to be cheaper, more convenient and the best way to travel. But she'd take a humble hotel room any day.
While Geraldine was admiring the Impressionists in South Australia, Eliza was reading the latest about American politics. John McCain is dying but doing so with his indefatigable spirit.
Calling all "Crown" fans out there -- they've announced the new actress to play the Queen. Geraldine isn't so sure. But she's able to watch most episodes without reaching for Google which is a step up from her daughter.
Colours of Impressionism: Art Gallery of South Australiahttps://www.artgallery.sa.gov.au/agsa/home/Exhibitions/NowShowing/Colours_of_Impressionism
At His Ranch, John McCain Shares Memories with Friendshttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/us/politics/john-mccain-arizona.html
John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Accounthttps://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account
Katy Tur "Unbelievable"https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/12/books/review/katy-tur-memior-unbelievable.html
Recollections of a Bleeding Heart - Don Watsonhttps://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1932432.Recollections_of_a_Bleeding_Heart
Olivia Colman is the new Queenhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/26/olivia-colman-play-queen-third-series-crown/
Compass: Sacred Space #2 - Eddie Ayreshttp://www.abc.net.au/compass/s4830865.htm?site=newcastle
Activewear is cruelty to womenLong Distance Call add
Geraldine had a depressing morning shopping for new activewear. Eliza likens the experience to buying a bikini. It’s no fun for anyone.
Eliza LOL’d about Angela Shanahan’s opinion piece on the New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern. The funniest bit is when Shanahan referred to breastfeeding a “greenie left pursuit”. Just when you thought breastfeeding couldn’t get more political.
Eliza and her mum discuss the huge identity shift that occurs after motherhood, from which Jacinda Ardern is not immune. The NZ PM seems like a welcome breath of fresh air in modern politics.
Finally, Geraldine gives Eliza a “Banking Royal Commission for Dummies” tutorial.
Angela Shanahan: From here to maternityhttps://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/from-here-to-maternity/news-story/4b980fc122fa15f1f0bd2d7975b8ca56
Geraldine Doogue interviews Alan Kohler about the Banking Royal Commissionhttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/banking-royal-commission/9702648
Little Aussie DreamersLong Distance Call add
What does Anzac Day mean to you?
Eliza did a history degree but doesn't know much about the great Australian wartime leaders. Geraldine thinks it's time to make new myths about the defence of Australia. Just like the novellist Richard Flanagan, the women agree Australia is a nation of dreamers.
Can you be a Republican and be excited about the new Royal? Of course you can. But just don't try to copy the Duchess & wear heels seven hours after you've given birth. She's a warrior.
Film: Heroes - A critical look at the Anzac Legendhttps://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/turkish/en/audiotrack/former-enemy-eyes?language=en
The Little Stowaway Vicki Bennetthttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/the-hub-on-books/hub-on-books-24-april-2018/9687096
Richard Flanagan at the National Press Club (text)https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/18/richard-flanagan-national-press-club-speech-full-politics-black-comedy
Richard Fidler interviews Richard Flanaganhttp://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/10/24/3876175.htm
Michael Hofmann's sharp review of Narrow Road to the Deep Northhttps://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n24/michael-hofmann/is-his-name-alwyn
And the defence from the Booker Prize judgehttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/30/ac-grayling-buries-the-hatchet-job-michael-hofmann-richard-flanagan-booker-prize
Foreign Correspondence Geraldine Brookshttps://www.amazon.com/Foreign-Correspondence-Pals-Journey-Under/dp/0385483732
BBC: Why did I go mad?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOGhG0kRqFs
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Episode 11: Bali blissLong Distance Call add
Eliza has just returned from a minibreak in Bali. The island is beautiful, but its history is violent.
Bali is also the setting for Eliza's first attempt at fiction. Think Liane Moriaty with crime, sex, drugs and bikies. What's not to like?
Geraldine has done a big interview with Australian artist Ben Quilty in his 'sacred space' -- the NSW Southern Highlands.
Eliza & Geraldine discuss a terrific article from their friend and colleague Brigid Glanville on her battle with post natal depression.
Brigid Delaney Wellmania https://www.blackincbooks.com.au/books/wellmania
New Yorker Fiction Podcasthttps://www.newyorker.com/podcast/fiction
Brigid Glanville on her battle with postnatal depressionhttps://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/my-battle-with-postnatal-depression-20180412-p4z95n.html
Episode 10: Opinion in the age of outrageLong Distance Call add
Geraldine is settling back into a hectic working week after visiting Eliza in Jakarta.
She believes more is being asked of reporters these days, which doesn't always lead to better journalism. The industry is increasingly dominated by opinion and outrage. Eliza thinks it takes a toll on all who participate.
The women revisit an earlier discussion about John Le Carre's "A Legacy of Spies". Geraldine has stopped reading Ian McEwan and Eliza thinks it's time for her husband Adam to give "God of Small Things" another go.
And more than a year on since the US Election, Eliza is finally willing to acknowledge Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate for the Democratic Party.
Gaza and the Great Return March - Saturday Extrahttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/gaza-and-the-great-return-march/9619292
Michael Ignatieff - Saturday Extrahttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/saturdayextra/orban-and-fdr:-two-very-different-leaders/9627792
A Legacy of Spies: John Le Carrehttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/sep/10/a-legacy-of-spies-john-le-carre-review
The God of Small Things - Arundhati Royhttps://www.amazon.com/God-Small-Things-Novel/dp/0812979656
Dispatches - Michael Herrhttps://www.amazon.com/Dispatches-Michael-Herr/dp/0679735259
Geraldine Doogue in conversation with Peter Grestehttps://griffithreview.com/queensland-conservatorium-tripathi-greste-doogue/
Podcast: Imagine Thishttp://www.abc.net.au/kidslisten/imagine-this/imagine-this-promo-episode/9602272
The Conversation on Imagine Thishttps://theconversation.com/imagine-this-a-new-podcast-tackling-tricky-questions-from-inquisitive-young-minds-94659
Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's doomed campaignhttps://www.amazon.com/Shattered-Inside-Hillary-Clintons-Campaign/dp/0553447084
Commentary on Shatteredhttps://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/03/hillary-clinton-destruction-shattered-review
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Episode 9: Durian dazeLong Distance Call add
Geraldine has flown to Jakarta to visit Eliza and her family.
They hit the city's furniture shops and discuss whether round tables lead to better dinner parties?
But their plans for a dose of culture go awry. Eliza and Geraldine brave Jakarta's terrible traffic to visit the new modern art museum, only to find that it's closed for three months.
These kind of frustrations punctuate life in Indonesia.
The women also discuss the pressures on families during school holidays and the bliss of being freed from the daily routine.
New York Times on Museum Macan Jakartahttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/arts/design/jakarta-world-class-art-museum.html
The Children - Sydney Theatre Companyhttps://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/whats-on/productions/2018/the-children
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Episode 8: What's wrong with losing?Long Distance Call add
What's wrong with losing?
It's been three days since the Australian cricketers admitted to ball tampering in South Africa. Eliza is a huge cricket fan but hasn't liked the 'vibe' of the team for a while. The boorish behaviour on the pitch, the vitriolic send-offs and the win-at-all-costs mentality is ugly.
Geraldine thinks the problem may lie in the corporatisation of sport. Eliza reveals that she falls into the trap of only doing things she's good at. She's tried to change that in Indonesia.
Finally, Geraldine discusses Hugo Weaving's play at the Sydney Theatre Company.
LINKSJim Maxwell with RN's Fran Kellyhttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/australian-cricket-officials-lead-ball-tampering-investigation/9590634
Saving Detective Breda by Lucy Cormackhttps://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/saving-detective-breda-surgery-team-who-brought-officer-back-from-death-20180323-p4z5zx.html
The Resistable Rise of Arturo Uihttps://www.sydneytheatre.com.au/whats-on/productions/2018/the-resistible-rise-of-arturo-ui
Episode 7: An Indonesian tragedyLong Distance Call add
This week Eliza and Geraldine discuss a memoir from former journalist, Cynthia Banham. She survived a horrible plane crash in Yogyakarta, Indonesia in 2007 which killed 21 people, including five Australians. Her story is about determination in the face of adversity. But it’s also about love and gratitude for the help you receive after a traumatic event.
One of the victims of the crash - the journalist Morgan Mellish – used to live in Eliza’s house in Jakarta.
The women talk about how the relationship between Australia and Indonesia has evolved since that terrible accident.
And they also muse about the secret to a happy life.
'A Certain Light: A Memoir of Family, Loss and Hope': Jane Cadzow's profile of Cynthia Banham in the Good Weekend:https://www.smh.com.au/national/you-can-lose-so-much-and-yet-be-happy-cynthia-banham-s-revelation-20180314-p4z4av.html
Cynthia Banham's interview with Fran Kelly on RN Breakfasthttp://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/a-certain-light-a-memoir-of-family-loss-and-hope/9562032
Morgan Mellish's obituaryhttps://www.smh.com.au/news/obituaries/head-up-goals-achieved/2007/03/09/1173166982933.html
Pilot blames all but himself for crash that killed five Australianshttps://www.smh.com.au/national/pilot-blames-all-but-himself-for-crash-that-killed-five-australians-20090310-8u5o.html
Professor Tim Lindsey of the flailing diplomatic relationship between Australia and Indonesiahttp://indonesiaatmelbourne.unimelb.edu.au/australia-and-indonesia-going-separate-ways/
Dennis Atkins' podcast 'Two Grumpy Hacks'https://soundcloud.com/twogrumpyhacks
How to prime your brain to be happyhttps://www.gq.com/story/laurie-santos-how-to-be-happy-interview
Episode 6: Being a "Good Enough Mother" & not-so-good yogi.Long Distance Call add
This week's Long Distance Call starts with yoga. Geraldine loves it but Eliza finds it dull and would rather go for a run.
Geraldine had a terrific weekend touring Sydney's hidden gardens and both women reveal their nerves about entertaining at home.
Do kids need to learn Chinese language when they're four? Not necessarily. Geraldine tells Eliza about the "Good Enough Mother" movement from the 1970s.
Finally, the women agree that President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner is a dill. And they worry about the rise of shady political players in Indonesia.
Hidden Gardens: Sydneyhttp://www.hiddendesignfestival.com
Israeli Documentary - "No.17"http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385908/
Lior Raz on life post Faudahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kk5NM7jEBE
The Jewish Group +61Jhttp://plus61j.net.au
An article about Dr Donald Winnicott and the "Good Enough Mother"https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sheila-quirke/mom-enough_b_1528132.html
Washington Post: Kushner's overseas contacts raise concerns as foreign officials seek leveragehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/kushners-overseas-contacts-raise-concerns-as-foreign-officials-seek-leverage/2018/02/27/16bbc052-18c3-11e8-942d-16a950029788_story.html?utm_term=.031944b36166
Geraldine's article about her recent trip to Rwanda to see the gorillashttps://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/travel/rwanda-mountain-gorillas-kigali-genocide-memorial/news-story/8462ef0284b97b46049dac65e23e567c
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Episode 5: Leaving Twitter and embracing compost.Long Distance Call add
This week Eliza and Geraldine discussed:
*Andrew Sullivan on social media addiction: I used to be a human beinghttp://nymag.com/selectall/2016/09/andrew-sullivan-my-distraction-sickness-and-yours.html
*Clive Hamilton - Silent Invasionhttp://www.hardiegrant.com/au/publishing/bookfinder/book/silent-invasion-by-clive-hamilton/9781743794807
*Matt Carney's analysis on President Xi's power grabhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-05/china-npc-moves-xi-jinping-towards-dictatorship/9504680
*NYT on Europe's reax to President Xihttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/world/europe/europe-china-xi-trump-trade.html
*Carrie Gracie: My equal pay campaign left me exhausted, isolated (behind a pay wall)https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/bbcs-carrie-gracie-equal-pay-campaign-left-exhausted-isolated/amp/
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America -- making friends with Americans -- and survival in ExpatLand.Long Distance Call add
Here are the links mentioned in this week's conversation:
*Why this gun debate is different from the rest -- NYThttps://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/feb/23/why-this-gun-debate-is-different-from-the-rest/
*John Kelly, the Trump secret sharer by Roger Cohenhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/opinion/john-f-kelly-trump-porter.html
*Gershom Gorenburg on moving the American embassy to Jerusalemhttp://prospect.org/article/capital-offense
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Geraldine's trip to Tasmania -- podcasting --- the resilience of radio.Long Distance Call add
This week, Eliza and Geraldine talked about:
The Bay of Fires walk in Tasmania https://eastcoasttasmania.com/discover/town/bay-of-fires/
Indonesia set to soften its stance on the dealth penaltyhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-11/indonesia-to-soften-death-penalty-stance/9320900
Wasted: garbage season in Balihttp://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-21/bali-beaches-swamped-by-garbage/9467974
Irish writer Bernard MacLaverty -- Midwinter Breakhttp://www.bernardmaclaverty.com
Richard Glover on the resilience of radiohttp://www.smh.com.au/comment/richard-glover-why-is-the-humble-radio-so-resilient-20180213-h0vzw7.html
Jeremy Bowen -- Our Man in Middle Easthttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rmkcd/episodes/downloads
Owen Bennett Jones -- The Assassinationhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05rgk0d