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Hello, lovely listeners! Welcome back to Second Nature. Willow the corgi and I are coming to you after an absolute whirlwind couple of weeks. If you’ve been tracking the UK weather lately, you know we've been melting in a serious summer heatwave, but that hasn't slowed things down one bit.
I recently had the absolute joy of being an ambassador for the Great British Farm Fest alongside the Clarkson’s Farm crew- sharing the stage with Charlie Ireland, Harriet Cowen, and Countryfile’s Adam Henson to talk about my own journey from town girl to agriculture advocate. But hot on the heels of that, I packed my bags for BBC Gardeners’ World Live (in collaboration with the BBC Good Food Show).
It is a fantastic event for bridging that beautiful journey from field to fork, and while I was there, I caught up with five incredible minds to talk herbs, magic, kid-friendly gardening, and why nature is the ultimate reset button for our mental health.
In this episode, we’re diving into four incredible chats:🌱 The Queen of Herbs, Jekka McVicar: Jekka completely blew my mind with a reality check about our spice racks. Did you know dried herbs only stay good for six months? We also talk about how to start your own herb journey, why you need to feed your potted herbs weekly, and a genius hack using rosemary water to boost your memory.✨ Folklore and Magic with Frances Tophill: Catching up with Frances is always like talking to a best friend. We dive into the "goth element" of her latest book, exploring the darker history and folklore of poisonous plants. She shares beautiful ways to bring magic into your space (from fairy gardens to miniature trains) and opens up about how nature provides the ultimate perspective shift when life and mental health get overwhelming.🍉 Small Spaces & Kettle-Boiled Eggheads with De-Graft Mensah & Lucy Chamberlain: I sat down with the BBC Newsround presenter and master horticulturist to tour their brilliant "Make a Metre Matter" border. Plus, DeGraft shares a hilarious behind-the-scenes story about hard-boiling display eggs in his hotel room kettle! 🥚🧼🍅 The Big Seed Search with Catrina Fenton: We round out the day with the Heritage Seed Library, chatting about how heirloom vegetables are being preserved and how you can get your hands on rare varieties to grow at home.Whether you have acres of land, a rental balcony, or just a tiny kitchen windowsill, this episode is a beautiful reminder that every day is a school day in the garden, there is no "wrong" way to grow, and the seasons always keep turning.
Grab a cold drink, find some shade, and let’s get into it.
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This week, Tim and I are digging deep, quite literally, into the fascinating layers of the Dorset landscape. I caught up with Tim on a blazing hot summer afternoon while he was out in his tractor wrapping up fresh bales of haylage (or as I used to call them when I first joined farming: the giant cheese wheels in the field 🧀🚜).
Once we sorted out the geometry of square bales, we sat down for an absolutely mind-blowing episode all about Dorset's incredible geology and what it actually means for the food on our plates, the machinery in the fields, and the soil in our back gardens.
To help us break down the ground we walk on, we are joined by two incredible local experts: Sam Scriven, a geologist from Dorset Council who has spent twenty years protecting the world-famous Jurassic Coast, and Dougal Hosford, a brilliant second-generation tenant farmer managing 2,000 acres of diverse chalkland and clay near Blandford.
In this episode, we’re digging into:
The Reality of the Clay Cap: Dougal explains the absolute nightmare of farming "clay with flints"- a tricky, ancient soil harder than steel that eats through tractor tyres and machinery metals in a flash. 🛠️💥A 50-Million-Year-Old Flat Horizon: Sam reveals why the tops of Dorset's highest hills are all perfectly flat, mapping out ancient rivers that used to flow all the way from Cornwall.From the Bahamas to West Dorset: How our famous chalk cliffs were formed by layers of microscopic plankton skeletons back when the whole of Europe was underwater. 🌊🦴Regenerative Farming & Direct Drilling: Why Dougal stopped ploughing his fields at the turn of the century, and how direct drilling is finally pushing the flint back down to let the topsoil heal.The Lifeline of Local Abattoirs: We take a quick detour into local food logistics, exploring Dougal’s high-welfare beef system and why supporting local small-scale abattoirs like C&S Meats keeps the whole Dorset farming fabric alive. 🥩🚚The Pure Power of Aquifers: The fascinating science behind the chalk aquifers that supply our drinking water, and how that intense lime scale plays havoc with farm plumbing! 🚰⚡We also touch base with Michael French from the Grounded Community in Bournemouth to talk about growing vegetables on a smaller scale, because whether you’re managing thousands of acres or a tiny backyard patch, soil health is the absolute foundation of life.
I’ve been doing a lot of agronomy and vegetable growing courses myself recently, but listening to Sam and Dougal completely reframed how I look at our landscape.
Grab a cider, sit back, and get ready to look at the British countryside in a whole new way.
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A massive thank you to Nature Recovery Dorset for supporting this series and making these episodes possible.
This podcast mini-series has been produced with help from Nature Recovery Dorset, a Dorset Council led initiative helping communities, landowners and organisations work together to restore nature across Dorset. Any views or opinions expressed are those of the individual speakers and should not be taken as representing Dorset Council.
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Welcome back to Down in Dorset, a special series within the Second Nature podcast. I’m your host, Lizzie McLaughlin, and today I’m joined once again by my co-host and local eyes-and-ears on the ground, Tim, for a look at how Dorset is opening its farm gates to the public this summer.
Tim has been absolutely running himself ragged across the county, catching up with the farmers, teachers, and organisers who are working tirelessly to connect town and country. From bustling spring shows to interactive farm visits, this episode is all about the magic that happens when the public gets a taste of real rural life. As someone who came into farming from a town myself, you all know this is a topic incredibly close to my heart!
In This Episode:
We hear from a fantastic lineup of local voices who are passionate about education, engagement, and top-tier Dorset produce:
Barbara (Love Local, Trust Local) & Steve (Steve’s Bees): Catching up in the demo theatre at the Spring Show to talk local honey, the power of social media, and why bees are vital to our survival.George Hosford & Schoolteacher Jane: Pulling back the curtain on a brilliant on-farm classroom funded by the Farming in Protected Landscapes (FiPL) scheme, welcoming year-one students from Portland.George Strepfield (Coppet Hill & Melplash Show): Gearing up for Open Farm Sunday and sharing how the Discover Farming initiative is inspiring the next generation into countryside careers.James Cox & the County Show Team: A massive shoutout to James, the powerhouse organiser behind the Spring Show and Dorset County Show.What We Dig Into:
The Buzz About Bees: Steve explains his dream of creating a dedicated education hub on the farm where kids can suit up, get hands-on with the hives, and learn where real honey comes from. Plus, Tim and I talk about why local honey flies off the shelves- and I promise to send him a photo of me in my own beekeeping suit!Chasing Farmers with Microphones: Barbara shares the secrets behind her successful social media channels, proving that sometimes it takes a farmer's wife chasing her husband across a field with a camera to finally get the public engaged online.Soup, Tractors, and Turnips: We listen in on a bustling farm visit where school children get to ride in trailers, see beef herds up close, and learn how to use safety knives to chop home-grown potatoes and carrots into a massive farmhouse soup.Open Farm Sunday: George Strepfield previews the upcoming, completely free national event organised by LEAF. We talk about what the general public can expect, from watching sheep shearing to seeing massive agricultural drones and regenerative direct-drills in action.Interactive Learning at the Melplash Show: We look ahead to August and the incredible Discover Farming marquee-a completely interactive space where kids of all ages can try their hand at milking a dummy cow, grinding wheat, or making smoothies.Supporting Nature Recovery: A huge thank you to James and the County Show team for supporting this episode and helping us tell the stories of the people who work this land.
Join the Conversation: Do you have a question for Tim or me about how to get involved with a farm visit near you? We want to hear from you! You can send us a message directly through the link in the show notes.
Listen now to find out how you can explore the Dorset countryside this summer!
Ready to Get Involved? Links & Resources:
Find an Open Farm Sunday Near You: Open Farm Sunday is happening on Sunday 7th June 2026! It is completely free to attend. Pop your postcode into the LEAF Open Farm Sunday Farm Finder to see which local farms are unlocking their gates near you. Bring Farming into the Classroom: Tim mentions the incredible work the NFU does to link agriculture with school curriculums. Teachers can find free science packs, STEM resources, and live streaming opportunities at the NFU Education Portal.Explore Countryside Careers & School Visits: Learn more about the incredible interactive marquee at the show and their year-round school programs over at the Melplash Agricultural Society Discover Farming Website.Support Genuine Dorset Produce: Check out how local independent businesses are championing real food provenance at the Love Local Trust Local Website.Connect Your Group to a Farm: Teachers, parents, or community group leaders looking to organise a visit can find accredited farms and resources by heading to LEAF Education.Website: www.second-nature.co.uk
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Welcome back to Down in Dorset, a special series within the Second Nature podcast. I’m your host, Lizzie McLaughlin, and today we are joined by my co-host and local farming expert, Tim, for a deep dive into one of West Dorset’s most iconic industries: Dairy Farming.
The sun is finally shining over the rolling hills, the cows are out on grass, and while the winter slog is over, "farm busy" has taken on a whole new meaning. Before we head into the milking parlour, we take a moment to address some listener feedback regarding water abstraction and sewage in our chalk streams- reminding us all why transparency in our countryside is so vital.
In This Episode:
We are incredibly lucky to be joined by two powerhouse local farmers who represent the past, present, and future of Dorset agriculture:
James Bowditch: A fourth-generation dairy farmer at Bowden Farm, bringing over a century of family history and a "high-input, high-output" conventional perspective.Tom Gregory: A first-generation success story running both organic and conventional herds near Forde Abbey.What We Dig Into:
Organic vs. Conventional: What does it actually mean? Tom and James break down the "Holy Grail" of organic farming versus the efficiency of conventional systems, discussing everything from antibiotic usage to the sheer acreage required to make it work.The Vanishing Dairy Farm: Tim and our guests reflect on the staggering contraction of the industry. We explore how we went from 25 dairy farms in a single river catchment down to just six, and what that means for the "fabric" of our local communities.The Supermarket Struggle: We pull back the curtain on the "Loss Leader"-why your four-pint bottle of milk is so cheap and how the shift from the Milk Marketing Board to retailer control has changed the game for farmers.Global Cheddar & Local Pride: From the export power of Barber's Cheese to the international popularity of Dorset cheddar in Costco, we discuss how West Dorset feeds the world.Health & Raw Milk: Is the secret to a hardy immune system found in the tank? We discuss the nutritional differences between pasteurised and raw milk and reminisce about the days of fighting for the cream on the doorstep.Stay tuned to hear James’s secret for escaping hay fever (it involves a boat and lobsters!) and Tom’s recommendation for the ultimate "Dorset" experience: the International Nettle Eating Competition.
Supporting Nature Recovery: A huge thank you to Nature Recovery Dorset for supporting this series and helping us tell the stories of the people who work this land.
Join the Conversation: Do you have a question for Tim or me? We want to hear from you! You can send us a message directly through the link in the show notes.
"96% of the population still drinks cow's milk... there are more households with milk in the fridge than toilet roll by the toilet!"
Listen now to hear the "real" story of Dorset dairy.
This podcast mini-series has been produced with help from Nature Recovery Dorset, a Dorset Council led initiative helping communities, landowners and organisations work together to restore nature across Dorset. Any views or opinions expressed are those of the individual speakers and should not be taken as representing Dorset Council.
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Hello and welcome back! I have a very special episode for you today—one that has been on my podcasting bucket list since the very beginning. I finally headed to Diddly Squat Farm to sit down with the team everyone knows and loves: Jeremy Clarkson, Kaleb Cooper, and Charlie Ireland.
With the massive Cereals event coming to the Cotswolds this year, I wanted to find out what it’s really like for Jeremy to play "host farmer" for 25,000 visitors. From digging trenches to study root structures to how the event caters to both new and experienced farmers, this conversation was exactly as lively, argumentative, and insightful as you’d expect!
On the menu today:
The "Hobby Farming" Debate: Kaleb and Jeremy go head-to-head on the latest additions to the farm. Are two donkeys, a handful of pigs, and a two-acre herb garden a genius diversification move or just "hobby farming"? 🥕🐖Learning on the Job: Jeremy shares why every day is still a learning day for him—including the "math" of oilseed rape and his new-found appreciation for soil health.The Arable Reality: Charlie gives us a candid look at the challenges facing the industry over the next 12 months, from rising fuel costs to the volatility of the wheat markets.The Next Generation: We discuss why the "Clarkson effect" is so important for first-generation farmers. As someone who joined the industry from a non-farming background myself, I loved hearing the team's advice for anyone looking to make their mark in agriculture.Exploring the Plots
After catching up with the team, I took a wander through the crop plots to chat with the experts on the ground. I caught up with Andrew Creasy from RAGT to talk about the future of wheat varieties and Lee Gilbert from Fowler & Gilbert, who shares his amazing journey from car mechanic to one of the UK’s leading manufacturers of agricultural buildings. 🏗️🌾
I also sat down with Sandy Kilpatrick to talk about the power of social media.
Whether you’re a lifelong farmer or just love a bit of Diddly Squat drama, grab a cuppa and join us for a proper look at life on the farm. The new episode is waiting for you now! ☕️🎧
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Farm Fest Tickets: Use code LIZZIE for a discount!Follow the journey: Check out the videos from my day at Diddly Squat on Instagram @LizzyMuddyHeelsMac.Website: www.second-nature.co.uk
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Hello and welcome back! It has been such a whirlwind of a week. I’ve officially travelled down to Dorset to host a session for the Dorset Local Nature Partnership Annual Forum, where Tim was actually one of our guests! It was such an inspiring morning, seeing everyone from farmers and gardeners to the NHS coming together to talk about nature recovery.
That spirit of collaboration leads us perfectly into today’s episode, thew third instalment of the Down in Dorset series.
We’re moving on from our "aquatic pair" (the beavers and otters!) to talk about the very thing that connects them: Water. I’ll admit, I thought I knew a fair bit about water, but sitting down with our three incredible guests—Sarah Williams and Hannah Martin from Wessex Water, and farmer and advisor Claire Eastam—was a total eye-opener.
In this episode, we’re wading into:
The "300-Litre" Surprise: Did you know the average household uses 323 litres of water a day? Most of us think it’s only 60! We talk about where that water actually goes and how our "modern" habits are putting pressure on an archaic system.Dorset’s Underground Treasure: 75% of our water here comes from a massive chalk aquifer. It’s basically a giant underground sponge, and we discuss why protecting these "boreholes" is so vital.The Truth About Spills: We tackle the tough conversations around sewage spills and stormwater. Sarah and Hannah explain the £8 million-a-month investment going into "Olympic-sized" storage tanks and green reed beds to keep our rivers clean.Chalk Stream Magic: Why 85% of the world's chalk streams are right here in England, and why their "crystal clear" calcium-rich water is like a superpower for local wildlife (including some record-breaking fish!).Farming & Phosphates: Claire shares how local "Farmer Clusters" are saving money and the environment just by looking at the data—and how one farmer stopped an entire "Arctic" of phosphate from entering the water system.Dorset Delights & Top Tips
Of course, it wouldn't be Second Nature without a few fun facts! We chat about our favourite Dorset escapes—from sunrise swims at Man o’ War Bay (with a very specific French toast recommendation!) to the hidden bluebell woods of West Dorset.
Plus, I got a top gardening tip that I’m definitely using: Why you should actually empty your water butt in the winter to make room for the next downpour!
A huge thank you to Nature Recovery Dorset for supporting this series.
Grab a cuppa, get comfortable, and let’s dive into the story of Dorset’s water. ☕️🎧
This podcast mini-series has been produced with help from Nature Recovery Dorset, a Dorset Council led initiative helping communities, landowners and organisations work together to restore nature across Dorset. Any views or opinions expressed are those of the individual speakers and should not be taken as representing Dorset Council.
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It officially feels like spring! The sun has finally made an appearance here in the UK, and there is nothing quite like that shot of positivity that makes you want to get back into the garden and out onto the farm.
I’ve been busy in my own greenhouse—planting "tennis ball" melons and edible flowers (fingers crossed they actually grow!)—but I knew I couldn't let March pass without visiting a farming friend to see the real stars of the season.
In this episode, I’m heading over to the Midlands to catch up with fellow Great British Farm Fest ambassador, Bizza Walters. Bizza is a third-generation farmer managing her own flocks of Grey Faced Dartmoors and Romneys, and she truly lives and breathes this busy time of year.
We’re diving into the heart of the lambing shed to talk about:
The "Superman" Pose: Why some lambs need a helping hand to make their grand entrance. 🦸♂️Bizza’s High-Tech Shepherdess: How she uses remote cameras to check her ewes every few hours (while still working a day job!). 📱Wigs and "Pet" Lambs: Meet Brenda, the sheep who occasionally pops into the house for a piece of toast. 🍞The Reality of 2026: How global conflicts and rising costs are hitting the farm gate, and why we need to stay positive about the future of British agriculture.A Milestone Moment: Stick around until the end of the episode for something truly special. For the first time ever, I got to step in and help deliver a lamb! It was a raw, emotional, and slightly slippery experience that I will never forget. From clearing airways with a bit of straw to that first "sneeze" of life, it was a beautiful reminder of the dedication that goes into every single animal you see in the fields.
Grab a cuppa, enjoy the sunshine, and join Bizza and me for a real taste of spring on the farm.
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It is officially March! 🌷 The sun has finally made an appearance (though my greenhouse plans are currently on hold thanks to the rain!), and I have been so excited to share this week’s episode with you.
A few weeks ago, I was scrolling through social media and saw an incredible video of a rider on the set of the new Wuthering Heights movie. I went down a total rabbit hole researching his work on The Witcher and Bridgerton, and I just knew I had to get him on the show.
This week, I’m chatting with horse trainer and performer Freddy Steele. We’re talking about:
Meeting Margot Robbie & Jacob Elordi: What are they really like on set?Horse Makeup & Wigs: Yes, the horses have hair extensions too! 🐴💅The "Broken Eggs" Mystery: Freddie reveals the top-secret code name they used on set.The "Border Collie" of Horses: Why he’s obsessed with the Lusitano breed.If you’re stuck inside hiding from the March rain like me, this is the perfect escape. It’s a fascinating look at what it actually takes to bring these massive stories to life. Grab a cuppa and dive into the wild world of the Wuthering Heights set on the Moors with us—listen to the episode now!
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Following the incredible response to our launch, we are back with the second episode of our Down in Dorset mini-series! This month, I’m joined once again by my guest co-host, local farmer Tim Gelfs, for a deep dive into the wild side of the county.
In partnership with Nature Recovery Dorset, we are exploring the delicate balance between productive agriculture and thriving wildlife. From the "Big Five" mammals roaming our fields to the shifting tides of government farming policy, this episode gets to the heart of how Dorset is leading the way in conservation.
In This Episode: The Big Five & The New Frontier of Farming
We are joined by two fantastic guests who represent the two halves of the nature recovery puzzle:
The Ecologist’s Lens: Ian Alexander, an ecologist with over 40 years of experience (Natural England, Dorset Wildlife Trust), shares his passion for species reintroduction—specifically his 20-year journey to bring Beavers back to our waterways.The Farmer’s Perspective: James Cousins, a fifth-generation farmer at Tarrant Rawston, manages a 2,000-acre mixed farm. James gives us a candid look at life on a working farm, from the joy of seeing Brown Hares box in the spring to the practical realities of managing deer populations.Key Discussion Points:
Dorset’s "Big Five": We talk through the status of Deer, Badgers, Foxes, Beavers, and Otters. Ian explains why the Sika deer is so abundant in Purbeck and why the tiny Muntjac is the new kid on the block.The Deer Management Debate: Why is culling necessary? James explains how deer management supports his local butchery with sustainable venison, while Ian discusses the impact of overpopulation on woodland regeneration.The Post-War Legacy: A look back at how the drive for food security after WWII shaped our landscape, and why we are now shifting toward "public money for public good."Farmer Cluster Groups: James highlights the power of "cluster groups"—where local farmers collaborate on carbon capture, soil health, and bird identification to create wildlife corridors across the county.Nature Recovery Success Stories: We hear from Tom Monroe (National Landscapes) and Imogen Davenport (Dorset Wildlife Trust) on how collaboration in areas like the Isle of Purbeck is successfully reversing decades of nature decline.Down in Dorset episodes are available on the last Friday of every month.
Which of Dorset’s "Big Five" is your favourite to spot in the wild? We’d love to hear your stories! Reach out at [email protected].uk or find us on social media.
This podcast mini-series has been produced with help from Nature Recovery Dorset, a Dorset Council led initiative helping communities, landowners and organisations work together to restore nature across Dorset. Any views or opinions expressed are those of the individual speakers and should not be taken as representing Dorset Council.
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⚠️ TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains deeply personal discussions regarding mental health, depression, anxiety, and suicide prevention. If you are currently struggling, please consider listening with a friend or reaching out to the resources listed below.
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Welcome back to your usual episode of Second Nature! I am still pinching myself after seeing us hit #11 on the Apple Podcasts Top 200 for Home and Garden following the release of the Down in Dorset mini-series last week. Honestly, thank you so much for the support—it means the world to Tim and me.
This episode is a bit of a whirlwind. I’m catching you up on my "2026 bingo card" moment, meeting Jeremy Clarkson at his new pub and my recent deep dives into agronomy and wheat nutrition. But more importantly, as we head into Mind Your Head week with Yellow Wellies, we’re opening up a conversation that is incredibly close to my heart.
A Personal ReflectionA year ago today, I was in a very different place. I’m sharing the story of the night I had to call a crisis line, the role my little Corgi, Willow, played in pulling me back to the present, and why I believe it is so vital that we show the "bad days" alongside the highlight reels. I hope that by sharing my own story, I can show that things do get better.
In farming, we know better than anyone that seasons change—and your headspace can, too.
The Suffolk Farming Community GroupThis week, I’m joined by the brilliant Emily Whitmarsh and Ellis Blackmore. After losing a dear friend to suicide, they took action to ensure no one in their local agricultural community felt isolated. We chat about:
- Moving beyond Young Farmers and the "loneliness" of the tractor cab.
- The reality of current financial pressures and the recent inheritance tax changes.
- Why "pub yields" aren't always what they seem.
Their upcoming monthly meet-up on Friday February 27th at the Gardner’s Arms, Tostock.You can follow Emily and Ellis on Instagram and Facebook at Suffolk Farming Community Group.
⚠️ Important Note
This episode contains honest discussions about mental health and suicide. If you are struggling, please don't suffer in silence. Help is available:
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Connect with the CampaignJoin the conversation next week using #MindYourHead, #Hope, and #SuicidePrevention.
Find out more over on: https://www.yellowwellies.org/mind-your-head-9-13-february-2026/
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Welcome to the very first episode of Down in Dorset, a brand-new mini-series brought to you by Second Nature! I am so excited to launch this special project in partnership with Nature Recovery Dorset, as we explore the vital work being done across the county to restore our landscapes and celebrate the incredible food produced right here on our doorstep.
Joining me as my guest co-host for this series is local farmer Tim Gelfs. Together, we’re heading out to meet the fantastic people doing incredible things for the local area.
Make sure to mark your calendars, as new episodes of this mini-series will be available on the last Friday of every month!
In This Episode: From Dorset Fields To Dorset Plates
In our series premiere, we sit down with two experts who are dedicated to the connection between healthy land and healthy people.
The Heritage of Watercress: We chat with Tom Amery, CEO of The Watercress Company, based at Waddock Farm, south of Dorchester. Truly a jewel in Dorset’s crown, Tom’s business is the largest of its kind in Europe, supplying all the major UK retailers. Tom shares the fascinating history of this "super-leaf"—from its Roman roots to how his team currently produces up to 45 tonnes a week for half a million customers across the UK.Pesticide-Free Pioneering: Tom discusses the massive shift they made 25 years ago to stop using pesticides entirely, turning their spring-fed gravel beds into thriving habitats for thousands of invertebrates. It’s a brilliant example of how commercial farming can work hand-in-hand with nature recovery.Reconnecting the Next Generation: Claire King, a former headteacher and founder of the Nutrition Advisory Team (NAT), joins us to talk about the vital importance of food education. We discuss her "NutriKit" and why it is so critical for children to understand food provenance—moving beyond the supermarket shelf to the water, soil, and the people who grow our food.Building Resilient Food Systems: We dive into the complexities of modern agriculture and the importance of shortening supply chains to support both the local economy and the environment.Meet the Team:
Lizzie McLaughlin: Your usual hostTim Gelfs: Guest co-host and local poultry farmer, bridging the gap between farming reality and consumer tables.Tom: A watercress champion managing a unique crop that provides nutrition to half a million customers weekly.Claire: An education specialist dedicated to teaching the nitty-gritty of health, provenance, and sustainability.This series is all about how we can help nature recover while still producing world-class food. Whether you're a Dorset local or a food lover from further afield, there is so much to learn from these incredible guests.
What does "nature recovery" mean to you? Get in touch at [email protected].uk or find me on social media at @LizzieMuddyHeelsMac.
This podcast mini-series has been produced with help from Nature Recovery Dorset, a Dorset Council led initiative helping communities, landowners and organisations work together to restore nature across Dorset. Any views or opinions expressed are those of the individual speakers and should not be taken as representing Dorset Council.
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Welcome back! With December in full swing, I'm getting into the festive spirit the best way I know how: talking food! This week, we're diving into the history of the classic British Christmas turkey and getting advice from two incredible, successful guests.
🥪 The Social Media King: Fraser of Sensational Sandwiches
I head down to London to celebrate the launch of my good friend Fraser's (Sensational Sandwiches) first-ever shop! Fraser has built a massive following (over 1 million on Instagram!) by making incredible, mouth-watering food content. He sits down with me to talk about:
🔑 The secret to making it big on social media and turning a creative passion into a real-life business.🗣️ Why saying "YES" to opportunities is the only way to succeed.🍗 Last year's unusual Christmas-time sandwich🦃 The Turkey Expert: Kate Martin from Treeway Farm
Next, I catch up with Kate Martin from Treeway Farm, first-generation farmers who supply thousands of turkeys for Christmas dinners across the UK. Kate shares the incredible, year-long process of raising these birds and the challenges the industry faces. Learn about:
🗓️ Why their Christmas prep starts all the way back in February.🍳 The best way to cook your turkey (Kate shares the ultimate secret for a juicy bird, and yes, we talk about my disastrous defrosting methods!).🦃 The 500-year history of turkey being the centerpiece of the British Christmas table.I hope you have a wonderful holiday season, wherever you are and whatever you're eating! Let me know if you'll be having turkey on your dinner this year!
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Hello, hello! 👋 I hope you're very well! Can you believe it's already November? Where has the year gone?!
Things have been busy, but I've managed to clear the decks for a very exciting announcement: I'm launching a collaboration! 🥳
I'm partnering with the incredibly talented Annie Gray of Curly Wurly Creations to launch a brand new pattern celebrating the countryside, gardening, and my life at home! We've poured months into designing a beautiful pattern featuring everything from garden tools and homegrown veggies to my very own Corgi, Willow, riding in a wheelbarrow!
But the best part? We are doing this to raise money for a charity very close to our hearts: Yellow Wellies (The Farm Safety Foundation).
In this episode, you'll hear from Steph Berkeley, founder of Yellow Wellies, about the incredible work they do for the physical and mental well-being of the next generation of farmers. Plus, I sit down with Annie Gray to chat about:
🐑 Her deep farming roots and why lambing is her absolute favourite (and most intense!) time of year.🎨 The inspiration behind Curly Wurly Creations, how her kids influence her designs, and the challenge of drawing different sheep breeds.💖 The story behind our collaboration, why 50% of the profits will support Yellow Wellies, and where you can find this exclusive design on everything from aprons to tea towels!I've had a difficult year with my own mental health, and I am so proud to be giving back to this amazing cause. We're doing a huge giveaway to celebrate the launch, so be sure to check my social media!
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It feels great to be back with a new episode, and this one is a special spooky-season celebration! I headed to Essex to catch up with my brilliant friend, the finalist for this year's British Farming Awards, Chloe from @chloe_at_the_farm!
Chloe is a former city girl (just like me!) who found her passion for farming and Highland cows during the pandemic. We meet her incredibly gentle, fluffy fold—including Murphy, Dally, and Beatrix—who are currently on a very special Halloween residency!
We're at Scotts of Southend Garden Centre's massive pumpkin patch, where Chloe's Highlands are stealing the show! I talk to Chloe about:
🐂 Her incredible journey from being a nurse to becoming a smallholder and farm worker of the year finalist.🧠 How working with livestock has been vital for her mental health and helping her recover from burnout.🌱 Her mission to bridge the gap between urban life and farming to help people understand where their food comes from.I also catch up with Alice from Scotts of Southend to hear the inside scoop on how they built one of the UK's biggest and best pumpkin patches, including the logistics of growing 21,000 pumpkins, the challenges of putting a price tag on a farm experience, and how the Highland cow collaboration came to be.
It's a fantastic, fun chat with cows, pumpkins, and a lot of heart!
A Huge Well Done! P.S. I just want to shout out a massive congratulations again to Chloe! Neither of us won our British Farming Award categories, but being finalists in Farm Worker of the Year and Content Creator of the Year is a huge achievement we are both incredibly proud of! Well done, Chloe!
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If you enjoyed the Gardener's World episode, welcome back! If you're new, thank you for joining me for a very special look behind the scenes of one of the UK's most beloved shows.
I was thrilled to return to the beautiful Kew Gardens for the In Conversation Live with BBC CountryFile event! I managed to sit down with the incredible team of Matt Baker, John Craven, and Anita Rani for a group chat where we discussed the show's massive shift to prime time, the power of connecting urban and rural audiences, and why CountryFile has become such a cross-generational program.
Join me as I connect with these TV legends and hear how their work truly inspires people to get outside. It’s a joy to be part of the "convert" club, moving from town to country, and I know you'll love this inspiring chat!
Don't forget to listen to the sister episode of In Conversation with BBC Gardeners' World!
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Hey everyone, it’s Lizzie!
This week on Second Nature, I’m bringing you something really special. I recently got to visit the incredible Kew Gardens for the In Conversation with BBC Gardeners' World event!I felt completely immersed in the greenery of Kew Gardens, and what a fantastic setting for an intimate chat with some of the best minds in gardening.
I had the absolute pleasure of chatting with three of my favourite BBC Gardeners' World presenters: Frances Tophill, Adam Frost, and Nicki Chapman! It genuinely felt like catching up with old friends, and we covered everything from their own projects to some of their best gardening advice.
Frances Tophill's new book, A Wildflower Year, and her fantastic advice on how to start gardening on a budget, no matter how small your space.Adam Frost's top tips for planning your garden this autumn and how getting outdoors has positively affected his own wellbeing.Nicki Chapman's perspective on how to design a garden that’s your own personal sanctuary.
In this episode, you’ll hear us chat about:So grab a brew and get ready to hear some fantastic tips and behind-the-scenes stories!
Get in touch! I’d love to hear your thoughts on this episode. You can always get in touch with me on social media at @LizzieMuddyHeelsMac or by emailing [email protected].uk.
Don't forget to listen to the sister episode of In Conversation with BBC Countryfile!
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Hello and welcome to Second Nature! Get ready to celebrate the seasons as I take you on an autumn adventure to BBC Gardeners' World Autumn Fair! This episode is a fantastic celebration of all things gardening and homegrown, filled with amazing conversations and plenty of inspiration.
I was lucky enough to walk around the event and catch up with some incredible people. You'll hear from the much-loved TV presenter, Rachel de Thame, who shares her top tips for autumn gardening and how to deal with the changing weather. I also got to relive my poultry past and have a cuddle with a chicken or two, chatting with Susannah from Pip & Chick Poultry about starting a flock of your own.
I couldn't leave without catching up with Gardening with Ish, who shares his journey to social media stardom and gives us some great ideas on what to be planting this season. And on the food side, I spoke with Riverford Organic Farmers about the power of seasonal, British produce, and chatted with the wonderful entrepreneurs behind Fruit Shack Blends about their mission to provide healthy, real juice options while supporting school children.
This episode proves that gardening, food, and home-grown passion truly build connections. Come with me and get inspired to make the most of your garden this autumn!
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In this week's episode, I'm so excited to be back for a new season of Second Nature! It's been a busy few months in my garden, and I can't wait to share some of the highlights from my greenhouse, including updates on my first tomato and cucumber harvests. But that's not all—I'm thrilled to be joined by a very special guest, the incredibly talented Josh Smalley, a contestant from the Great British Bake Off.
Josh and I dive into a fascinating conversation about the intersection of gardening, baking, and science. We'll chat about his life after the Bake Off and his passion for science communication, especially when it comes to getting kids interested in food and chemistry. We also get into the nitty-gritty of gardening challenges (hello, unpredictable weather!) and share some practical tips for making the most of seasonal produce.
You'll hear all about how Josh's family influenced his baking journey and some of the creative ways we can use up a surplus of things like apples and courgettes.
And in a true Second Nature first, we even team up to make a pizza using fresh ingredients straight from my garden. Plus, you'll get a sneak peek into Josh's new book feature, 'The Science of Flavour'. It's a fun and jam-packed episode with plenty of laughs, stories, and a whole lot of deliciousness. I can't wait for you to listen! 🎧
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Hello and welcome to Second Nature! What a couple of weeks it's been – full of fun experiences that I can't wait to share with you. Join me, Lizzie McLaughlin, as we talk all things food, farming and homegrown.
First, I'm taking you behind the scenes of Farm Safety Week. I was so privileged to attend a powerful lunch hosted by the Farm Safety Foundation (Yellow Wellies). Hearing the raw, honest stories from individuals who've faced immense physical and mental challenges in farming was incredibly moving. We delve into the often-overlooked dangers of this vital profession and discuss why powerful campaigns like 'Who Would Fill Your Boots?' are so profoundly important. It was an emotional and inspiring day, and I share a very personal moment from it.
Then, get ready for an adventure to the stunning Lake District! I was lucky enough to stay with the wonderful Davidson family – Ange, Baz, and their incredibly dedicated 13-year-old son, Seth. You'll hear all about my delightful stay (I genuinely felt like a Disney princess with cows right outside my window!). We dive deep into the fascinating world of calf showing as I follow Seth through his meticulous preparations for the Penrith Show. You'll discover just how much effort goes into getting those calves show-ready – from shampooing and grooming to even "makeup"! I even tried my hand at walking calves (spoiler: it's much, much harder than it looks!).
You'll hear directly from Seth about his passion for his calves, his showmanship, and what it takes to win ribbons. His dad, Baz, a dedicated hoof trimmer, shares insights into his crucial role in animal welfare and his immense pride in Seth. Plus, Seth's mum, Ange, takes us through her diverse farming journey, from relief milking to her blooming passion for floristry and homegrown produce.
This episode is a true celebration of the dedication, resilience, and diverse talents within our farming community, from ensuring safety to preparing prize-winning livestock.
Tune in to hear all the stories, my hands-on adventures, and reflections on the unwavering spirit of those who feed our nation!
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"Hello and welcome to Second Nature!" Oh my goodness, what an event! Join me, Lizzie McLaughlin, as I take you on an exciting journey to Groundswell, which is just the most vibrant and inspiring gathering for regenerative agriculture in the UK. I recently spent time completely immersed in this incredible festival of farming, and I honestly can't wait to share my experiences and all the amazing insights with you.
My first time at Groundswell was absolutely delightful – I'm still basking in the afterglow of all the connections I made, the conversations I had, and the huge feeling of inspiration and empowerment! The whole event just had this amazing sense of community; it's truly buzzing with inclusivity, where everyone from seasoned farmers to consumers can connect and share knowledge. A huge shout-out to Neil Barrett and Agri-Ton's newest team member, underscore Lisa underscore underscore, who perfectly captured that infectious, non-judgmental atmosphere.
In this episode, you'll hear me exploring the huge range of exhibitors showcasing some seriously innovative practices in agriculture, and wow, those engaging sessions attracted such a massive audience – it's clear the interest in regenerative farming is just exploding! I'll be sharing some super interesting bits from notable speakers who are totally shaping the future of farming, including a fascinating chat with Ed Brown from Wildfarmed about Prince William's unexpected visit – how cool is that?!
I dive deep into understanding regenerative agriculture principles, breaking down the five key elements like soil health, biodiversity, and the crucial role livestock plays (big thanks to The team at Easy Care Sheep for explaining how their breed fits right in!). You'll hear my conversations with so many different attendees, all with their own unique perspectives on what regenerative farming truly means.
I also had some really personal chats, like with the inspiring chief shepherdess, Zoe Colville, who openly shared the raw reality of balancing motherhood and farming. And it was brilliant to meet Alice (thecalfgirl) and Jazz (shepherdess jazz), who also shared their insights on livestock and farming life.
You'll discover exciting innovative products like virtual fencing – a huge thanks to Leah from Monil-virtual fencing for explaining how that works! And I loved learning about the world of wool and sustainable fashion from Maria Benjamin from the Wool Library and Farmers Yarn, and Deborah Barker, co-founder of the South East England Fibre Shed. Plus, a big shout-out to Paddy from Ruumi and Lucy and Kat from Goats Rodeo Goods for their fantastic contributions and showing us their amazing sustainable products.
This episode emphasizes the profound significance of community, sustainability, and innovation within the agricultural sector. Tune in to discover why Groundswell isn't just an event – it's a powerful, growing movement towards a more sustainable and connected future for farming.
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